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What are your objections to Christianity?

 
Jordo111
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I believe in God and I think we can be spiritual and peaceful and with the flow of the Universe without religion.
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If you believe in God, who is he. How do you come to an understanding that he is there. And if God is God shouldn't we be concerned about knowing Him?

If there is no God then why be peaceful. Who is to say that being peaceful is better than being at War other than just personal preference.

By the way I totally agree that we should be peaceful and I appreciate that you realize that. I just was curious as to your reasons for thinking we should be.
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Acts 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Why was Matthias called as an Apostle then no more after him?
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Now about your question, you asked what basis do I use for understanding the truth. Well my basis has always been with me and they are: the five senses, my greed, anger and arrogance, my ego and my mind. I constantly keep a close eye on these things and studied why I act and think the way I do at that moment. If I have to die to save someone else's life, I will do it out of my own decision and not because I do it in exchange for the rights to go to heaven. My act will be a selfless act which I am trying hard to achieve. Why trying hard? Because I was born in today's society where everything revolves around materialistic things plus the laziness that is inherent in me. You and me are all subjected to the same conditions but you chose to do it your way which is a lot easier than the way I want to do it. But your way cannot "completely eradicate the evils in you". You will go to your heaven taking all that stuffs with you while I try it leave them all before I die.
So let me ask you. If I am the way I am, what sins do I commit in God's eyes? BTW, don't tell me I've inherited the sins from my so-called Adam and Eve ancestors. Ask the Supreme Court judge of the US to implement this and I guarantee you that you will be the first to object!
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Basing Truth on emotions is no basis at all. Either there is Truth outside of us (in which case we need to be very concerned to find the source) or there is no Truth, in which case everything is relativistic. If truth is relative then why should you try to conjure up motivation to be selfless? Why would being selfless be better than being selfish? Have you ever thought, "thats not fare"...according to whom? According to what standard? Life is not Calvin Ball (for those who have read the comic strip Calvin and Hobbes). In life everybody seems to point to an act that is selfless and say "that is good" but many fail to search for where that standard comes from. I believe that God's law has been written on our hearts. "I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds," Heb 10:16b. That is where the standard comes from. Where do you claim the standard comes from by which you claim an act/deed to be sinful or Good?

God has written the Law on our hearts but He has also given it to us in His book, so we do not need to trust to ourselves. One more thing I didn't want to end here in case someone mistook me and thought that the law was given so that we can be good enough for God. That is not what it is for, but rather to show our need for someone else to come and free us of our condemnation. That being Jesus Christ who came and lived a perfect life as our substitute. "For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly." Romans 5:6
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Of all the replies of Christians on this thread, all I hear about is that some guy came to this planet 2000 years ago and mandating what is the law to live by otherwise hell is waiting for them. This religion and communism is very much the same, do it or face punishment. There is no other option. How can I trust a book which has been revised so many times and until this day is being revised as more oops are discovered? They keep telling me how my thinkings and decisions are flawed and that only the stuffs from the Book is right.
Regardless, so far all I see is pure theories and not enough practice. Talk is cheap. Prove that you have been a good Christian by telling us some of the sacrifices you made to qualify you to go to heaven. Don't tell me that all of you are like that Xtian who've tried to hide his truck from the repo man.
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Basing Truth on emotions is no basis at all. Either there is Truth outside of us (in which case we need to be very concerned to find the source) or there is no Truth, in which case everything is relativistic. If truth is relative then why should you try to conjure up motivation to be selfless? Why would being selfless be better than being selfish? Have you ever thought, "thats not fare"...according to whom? According to what standard? Life is not Calvin Ball (for those who have read the comic strip Calvin and Hobbes). In life everybody seems to point to an act that is selfless and say "that is good" but many fail to search for where that standard comes from. I believe that God's law has been written on our hearts. "I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds," Heb 10:16b. That is where the standard comes from. Where do you claim the standard comes from by which you claim an act/deed to be sinful or Good?

God has written the Law on our hearts but He has also given it to us in His book, so we do not need to trust to ourselves. One more thing I didn't want to end here in case someone mistook me and thought that the law was given so that we can be good enough for God. That is not what it is for, but rather to show our need for someone else to come and free us of our condemnation. That being Jesus Christ who came and lived a perfect life as our substitute. "For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly." Romans 5:6
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None of you have answered my question which is how do you completely eradicate all the evils in you? Because if you don't, you might end up like Satan after you get there and get kicked out.
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Very simple. I don't want to lose 20% of my salary to the Club.
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Sorry that I still haven't been able to get on and respond. I just got back from a vacation. :)

I'll try and be back later tonight to respond to some of your posts.

Thanks!
-Brandon
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I was a Catholic but no more...I see the light of truth and now I am free of the darkness of my past christian life.
As Europeans we have our own God(s) and own cultures. For too long we had been held back and kept in check by the Jew and its lies.
We need to free ourselves of the JEWISH GOD LIES, JEWISH SAVIOUR LIES, JEWISH LAWS, AND ALL OTHER FORMS OF JEWISH WORSHIP. SAY NO TO JEWHOOD!
The creator God is within us all. We do not need to obey the jew or its lies anymore. We Europeans need to seek our own enlightnment and become one with he real creator God. And stop licking the boots of the jew that has lead us away from own greatness for too long...
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None of you have answered my question which is how do you completely eradicate all the evils in you? Because if you don't, you might end up like Satan after you get there and get kicked out.
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I will answer your question based on the Truth that is revealed in Scripture...but you still need to answer how do you come up with an idea of evil. What is evil? How do you know something is good or bad? please answer these questions as they are necessary in order to come to grips with reality. Please stop assuming things like what evil is and is not.

Now to answer your question. "We" don't eradicate all the evils in us. That is a work of God in us that will be completed when we see Him in heaven. If you don't already know this, Salvation as described in Scripture can be separated into three parts.

Justification- We are Justified by faith in Christ. This does not mean that we are made perfect but that when God looks at us he see's His perfect Son instead of our sinfulness.

Sanctification- This is an ongoing process between when we are Justified before God and the next part. Just a quick note, this is where all followers of Christ are right now who are alive. We are being made more like Christ by the Power of the Holy Spirit.

Glorification- When a follower of Christ (one who hears and does)dies he will have a new body without the entanglements of sin.


As to a believer getting kicked out of heaven, read Ephesians 1:3-15 if you are really concerned. It will shows why that would never happen. Hope that helps and please give an answer to my questions, lets stop assuming things:)
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Christians have been screwed by the Vatican, who kept away things from the religion, like stating there is no incarnation. This is the devils work. So the Christians who fear the Devil so much, in fact love him by defending the things that are preached in church.
Check out the Vatican Councils!
Christianity has been raped and instead there is this bunch of fanatics preaching retard stuff. Spirituality and a sense for reality has vanished from it.
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I will answer your question based on the Truth that is revealed in Scripture...but you still need to answer how do you come up with an idea of evil. What is evil? How do you know something is good or bad? please answer these questions as they are necessary in order to come to grips with reality. Please stop assuming things like what evil is and is not.

Now to answer your question. "We" don't eradicate all the evils in us. That is a work of God in us that will be completed when we see Him in heaven. If you don't already know this, Salvation as described in Scripture can be separated into three parts.

Justification- We are Justified by faith in Christ. This does not mean that we are made perfect but that when God looks at us he see's His perfect Son instead of our sinfulness.

Sanctification- This is an ongoing process between when we are Justified before God and the next part. Just a quick note, this is where all followers of Christ are right now who are alive. We are being made more like Christ by the Power of the Holy Spirit.

Glorification- When a follower of Christ (one who hears and does)dies he will have a new body without the entanglements of sin.


As to a believer getting kicked out of heaven, read Ephesians 1:3-15 if you are really concerned. It will shows why that would never happen. Hope that helps and please give an answer to my questions, lets stop assuming things:)
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I am using evils as defined by Christians, not my standards of evils. The Christians keep saying I am full of sins which are evils, aren't they not? So you said:
"Justification- We are Justified by faith in Christ. This does not mean that we are made perfect but that when God looks at us he see's His perfect Son instead of our sinfulness."
So you tell me I am born in a black and slave family and by default I am "dirty" until I work the fields long enough to be granted the next status up by the white plantation owner? This I reject.
"Sanctification- This is an ongoing process between when we are Justified before God and the next part. Just a quick note, this is where all followers of Christ are right now who are alive. We are being made more like Christ by the Power of the Holy Spirit."
Alright, now that I have worked my ass off for years being a slave, the owner tricks me by saying I should keep woring as a slave til the end then I will have a chance to be interviewed by other white members of that owner? This I reject.
"Glorification- When a follower of Christ (one who hears and does)dies he will have a new body without the entanglements of sin."
In the end of my slave life, the owner wishes me luck as my chance of being free is slim and that to die and be born white is the only way to go. This I reject.
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If you don't believe in the God of the Bible, I'm curious to know your reasons for that.

Let me know your thoughts. :)

-Brandon



Most of the people who "practice" Christianity are hypocrites.
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Quote:

"Most of the people who "practice" Christianity are hypocrites."


But let me guess...

You're not... right?
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If you don't believe in the God of the Bible, I'm curious to know your reasons for that.

Let me know your thoughts. :)

-Brandon
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The God in the bible or the true God that rules us all?

I believe Enlil and Enki existed. The aren't are true God though. They lied and manipulated thier family members and said they were God but weren't. They are the ones who manipulated the humans to believing in them as God. The poor humans even wrote a Torah,bible,and Quaran because of their true greatest grand fathers but the truth is They AREn't God!

Whenever you see the name God in the new and old testiment throw in the name enki or enlil. They both have a hand in it.

And yes! I don't believe neither one of them are God but they are who was in the scenarios when humans were being enslaved.

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Question authority every time. Ask them how that makes them feel. Ask them why? Ask them when you have an opinion with your opinion and question them with that! There is no being with ALL THE answers accept for God. Even still question. But trust if it's all good and loving then follow with your full heart believing. For the light will always be the light. It makes me a believer.
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Regardless, so far all I see is pure theories and not enough practice. Talk is cheap. Prove that you have been a good Christian by telling us some of the sacrifices you made to qualify you to go to heaven.
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Jordo111, can you answer the question above? By the way, even if you did all the great sacrifices for God, you are making exchanges with God and that is not devine.
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I am using evils as defined by Christians, not my standards of evils.
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AC, you have to be fair and answer Jordo's question.

If you have a standard of evil, where do you get it from?

Please don't start avoiding the questions again like you were earlier. He has answered all of your questions straightforwardly. :)
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Brandon you said:
(((“T of G - I do have something to lose by reading this book - namely several hours of my life. All you keep telling about this book is that it's great. I need you to tell me why it's great before I'm going to read it. Is there anything of value in it?”))))

Several hours of reading what Jesus says is too much for you?

I hope you will keep this statement in mind when you finally become ready to study “A Course In Miracles”, but obviously you are not open or ready to learn from it now.
But your time will come, and its really none of my concern when anyone is ready.

Jesus says it is a required course, you only get to choose when you will learn it.

And I can see that you are not ready yet, and nothing I say of what I have been able to experience and do because of my studying it will ever make you ready.

And the truth is I don’t really care if you get to read it or not. Its not my concern, I am only sharing what I have learned on this forum because I think it might be of help to those who don’t presently know what I what I have learned. I would want to know if I was them. And so I put myself in their place and assume that some others are open to learn, and I try to point a way to them to check out for themselves what has been a wonderful discovery for me, and see if its for them, that is if they see any value in my posts.
“The Course In Miracles” is not for everybody, because we are not all at the same level of awareness and in the end it doesn’t matter. Certainly not to me.

I had to laugh when you said that I had to tell you why it was great before you would read it.
If what I told you in my posts is not enough to make you realize that you missed the REALLY BIG ONE, by not reading it, it only shows me that you are so self satisfied with what you believe you know that you don’t have any room for any more learning.

Learning that it is a book from Jesus apparently is not enough for you at this time to want to check it out?

Did you think he was dead? Not available in our physical world anymore?


And that’s fine, I know that you are a son of God, as each of us is, and I respect you for that.
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Yeah man, sorry, what you have told me in your post has not convinced me that I should read it. You saying that it is from Jesus (in contradiction to the rest of his statements in the Bible) will not convince me. I need something more solid than what you say. And I don't think that is an immature way of thinking... :)

No, I don't think Jesus is dead - I believe he was raised to life because the Scriptures tell me that.

They also tell me that there will be many people who will come along claiming to be from Christ, and you have to examine them to see if what they have to say is true. In the case of this book, you have told me enough to see that this is a text that claims to be above the Bible itself - something that the Bible seriously warns against.

I hope that you will find your truth in the source of truth - God himself. God has revealed his truth to men most clearly in one source - the Bible.
-Brandon
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If you don't believe in the God of the Bible, I'm curious to know your reasons for that.

Let me know your thoughts. :)

-Brandon
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Isn't your question incomplete?
aren't the lutherans and protestants and baptists and pentacostals, fake christians,etc all christians, and don't they all differ in their beliefs and ritualistics?Well yes they all feel they worship the same God but so do muslims.
Please clear up "which christians are you talking about?
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It seems that you like some of my questions and I am flattered to have your creative thinking begin to work albeit biblically and not intellectually. This implies that I have succeeded in getting you to start pondering.
Now about your question, you asked what basis do I use for understanding the truth. Well my basis has always been with me and they are: the five senses, my greed, anger and arrogance, my ego and my mind. I constantly keep a close eye on these things and studied why I act and think the way I do at that moment. If I have to die to save someone else's life, I will do it out of my own decision and not because I do it in exchange for the rights to go to heaven. My act will be a selfless act which I am trying hard to achieve. Why trying hard? Because I was born in today's society where everything revolves around materialistic things plus the laziness that is inherent in me. You and me are all subjected to the same conditions but you chose to do it your way which is a lot easier than the way I want to do it. But your way cannot "completely eradicate the evils in you". You will go to your heaven taking all that stuffs with you while I try it leave them all before I die.
So let me ask you. If I am the way I am, what sins do I commit in God's eyes? BTW, don't tell me I've inherited the sins from my so-called Adam and Eve ancestors. Ask the Supreme Court judge of the US to implement this and I guarantee you that you will be the first to object!
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Thanks for answering my question. :)

So your basis for reason are your senses and your mind. How do you know that those senses trasmit reality to you? What basis do you have for believing that? Do you think that there are logical laws that determine what happens in the universe?

My way is the only way that can completely eradicate the evils in you. The reason is this - every religion in the world other than Christianity is a religion of works. They say - in some way - that men must gain some level of consciousness or do so many good things before they can enter the afterlife or be reincarnated, etc.

What the Bible says is copmletely different. It says that there is a God who is perfect and holy and all-powerful. This God alone is the one who can save. No one can save himself. Because he is perfect, only those who are perfect can be with him. This is why Jesus died to make us perfect before God and to bring us into relationship with him. No other religion has this, and it's called grace.

Grace is the act of God that does what we cannot do. It is the work of God in our lives that overcomes what we could never overcome. My friend, you are striving for something that you can never attain. You can never attain perfection in God's eyes - you must turn to him.
-Brandon
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Because they always want some kind of war to show that they are right. And they use God to make money. And they support PTTB.
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I am using evils as defined by Christians, not my standards of evils.


AC, you have to be fair and answer Jordo's question.

If you have a standard of evil, where do you get it from?

Please don't start avoiding the questions again like you were earlier. He has answered all of your questions straightforwardly. :)
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Okay my standard of evils is defined as follow: anything that is done on purpose to bring about harms either physically or mentally to a living thing other than myself.
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Of all the replies of Christians on this thread, all I hear about is that some guy came to this planet 2000 years ago and mandating what is the law to live by otherwise hell is waiting for them. This religion and communism is very much the same, do it or face punishment. There is no other option. How can I trust a book which has been revised so many times and until this day is being revised as more oops are discovered? They keep telling me how my thinkings and decisions are flawed and that only the stuffs from the Book is right.
Regardless, so far all I see is pure theories and not enough practice. Talk is cheap. Prove that you have been a good Christian by telling us some of the sacrifices you made to qualify you to go to heaven. Don't tell me that all of you are like that Xtian who've tried to hide his truck from the repo man.
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Let me answer your first question - why you should trust the Bible. I've written large responses on this thread in regard to this question, but I'll just answer quickly here.

The Bible is by far the best-supported document from ancient times. The errors in our modern English Bible are so minimal it is amazing. We can even identify the minute percentage of passages (1-2%!) that are in question - none of which call into question any important doctrine of the faith. So, yes, you could point out the tiny portions that are slightly uncertain, but what about the massive majority of the Biblical text which is undoubtedly reliable?

And second, in regard to your statement about more practice being needed - I agree. Unfortunately, this forum is not the best arena for displaying my Christian acts. :)

Sacrifices that I have made to qualify me to go to heaven - I have none. That is the whole point of what Jesus came down to do - he did what we could never do and gave his life in our place. He did the work that brought us to heaven. Period.

As for me, anyone who knows me would know that I struggle with a lot of sins, and I'm nowhere near perfect. But I have seen God working in my life and I know that I am a better person now than I would have been without God in my life.

No Christian is perfect, and no Christian should claim to be, but each one should have evidence of the grace of God in their lives. :)
-Brandon
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Okay my standard of evils is defined as follow: anything that is done on purpose to bring about harms either physically or mentally to a living thing other than myself.
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So what if I said that my standard was that evil is if anyone hurts me, but I can do whatever I want to anyone else. Is that a problem?
-Brandon
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Quote:

"Most of the people who "practice" Christianity are hypocrites."


But let me guess...

You're not... right?
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Was that addressed at me?
-Brandon
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I believe Enlil and Enki existed. The aren't are true God though. They lied and manipulated thier family members and said they were God but weren't. They are the ones who manipulated the humans to believing in them as God. The poor humans even wrote a Torah,bible,and Quaran because of their true greatest grand fathers but the truth is They AREn't God!

Whenever you see the name God in the new and old testiment throw in the name enki or enlil. They both have a hand in it.

And yes! I don't believe neither one of them are God but they are who was in the scenarios when humans were being enslaved.
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Do you have any reason for believing this? Any basis for this belief outside of yourself?
-Brandon
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Isn't your question incomplete?
aren't the lutherans and protestants and baptists and pentacostals, fake christians,etc all christians, and don't they all differ in their beliefs and ritualistics?Well yes they all feel they worship the same God but so do muslims.
Please clear up "which christians are you talking about?
 Quoting: TwinSister 683425


You make a good point here - that's why I tried to clarify by pointing back to what the Bible defines as a true believer.

Yes, there are differences in areas of practice within the Christian faith. But the core things that define these denominations as Christians are the same.

-They believe in one God who is all-powerful and holy. He created man to have relationship with him, but man sinned. No one can come into relationship with God if he has sin in him, because God is holy.

-There is no possible way for man to come to God on his own, because everything that he does is tainted with the sin that is in his heart. Nothing good can come out of him because at his root he is in rebellion against God.

-God did what man could not do by sending his Son Jesus to die in the place of men. When Jesus died he took the place of those who deserved God's wrath and now when God sees those people he sees the perfect life of his Son in their place.

These are some of the foundational issues that all of these denominations believe.

Now I hope you can more easily answer the question. :)
-Brandon
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Because they always want some kind of war to show that they are right. And they use God to make money. And they support PTTB.
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These objections are legitimate objections in many cases, and I am deeply sorry for those who have mistreated the name of Christ for their own pride - I'm sure I have done the same thing many times. However, there is a reason why many Christians want to show that they are right - because there is a holy God who will judge those who turn away from him. Yet this holy God has provided a means of escape from this wrath and a means to come into a beautiful relationship with him for eternity.

If I did not want to share that I would be a pretty sick person. If I didn't want to show people there was a way to have meaning and life I would be the worst of sinners.

You said that Christans use God to make money - in some cases this is definitely true and it makes me very sad. Benny Hinn is just one example of someone who uses "Christianity" to take money from people who are naive. However, what God calls his people to is to give of their money to feed the poor and give shelter to the homeless. He calls us to give of what we have to support widows and orphans. This is not a bad thing (I hope you would agree).

I can't really respond to your last objection because I don't know what "PTTB" stands for... sorry.
-Brandon
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Acts 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,
25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Why was Matthias called as an Apostle then no more after him?
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Sorry, I don't think I ever answered this question.

As defined in this first chapter of Acts, an apostle was a special office for someone who had personally been involved in the ministry of Christ - he had seen his whole ministry and been faithful throughout. This is why no one afterward could be an apostle - no one later fit these requirements.

The office of the apostle had certain authority that went along with it - that of teaching and writing Scripture along with other miraculous works. They were the ones who gave a foundation for the church.
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My problems with Christianity are:

1. Assuming 'Jesus will save us' hence no need to personally take a stand for whats right, like opposing TPTB

2. Assume all answers are in the good book, so no need for an open mind, researching, asking questions, etc.

3. Condemn all those who are good, just, and righteous, but happen to be of another religion, to burn in hell!

4. Using Jesus to justify war and killing.

5. Quoting bits of scripture out of context to justify/condemn anything.

6. The Vatican! Pure evil. Child molesting priests, inquisition, Jesuit treachery, aiding/abetting Nazis, etc
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My problems with Christianity are:

1. Assuming 'Jesus will save us' hence no need to personally take a stand for whats right, like opposing TPTB

2. Assume all answers are in the good book, so no need for an open mind, researching, asking questions, etc.

3. Condemn all those who are good, just, and righteous, but happen to be of another religion, to burn in hell!

4. Using Jesus to justify war and killing.

5. Quoting bits of scripture out of context to justify/condemn anything.

6. The Vatican! Pure evil. Child molesting priests, inquisition, Jesuit treachery, aiding/abetting Nazis, etc
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 802683


1. The fact that Jesus saves, in the Bible, becomes the basis from which we can do what is right. See Romans 12:1ff and Ephesians 4 for starters. If you haven't been transformed by God, you don't have the ability to truly stand for God - who defines what is right.

2. The Bible encourages research and asking questions. In fact, the Bible is the basis from which we get the idea that the universe is truly knowable and that we can do things like science. As far as having an "open mind" I can't really be sure what you mean by that - could you define that?

3. Now you are defining righteousness in your own terms. This is exactly the problem! What is good is defined by God and anything that is good must eventually give him glory. So while people do many things that are outwardly good in these religions, they are doing it for a belief system that is against the true God of the Bible. The essential command of the whole Bible is to love God and these people have missed that one essential thing.

4. Jesus doesn't justify these things. In the past people have used this, but I don't know of any modern examples. Are you referring to the crusades? Because that was hundreds of years ago...

5. I hate it when people quote Scripture out of context too. :)

6. I think the Vatican is full of a lot of evil too. That's one of the many reasons why I'm not a Catholic. :)

Now could you answer some questions of mine? Actually, I'll just ask one - how do you define good and evil?

Thanks!
-Brandon
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Okay my standard of evils is defined as follow: anything that is done on purpose to bring about harms either physically or mentally to a living thing other than myself.


So what if I said that my standard was that evil is if anyone hurts me, but I can do whatever I want to anyone else. Is that a problem?
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If that is your standard then I have nothing to say. More like a total narcissistic person. Is this what you strive for?

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