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| Xenus
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Given the unpredictable nature of space weather events and GCR (galactic cosmic rays) and GRBs (gamma ray bursts) and particle flux events how can we possibly predict the weather for the future??
"Clouds play a key role in the energy budget of Earth’s
surface and lower atmosphere, and are probably the largest
contributor to the uncertainty concerning the global
climate change [IPCC, 1996]. Small modifications of the amount, distribution, or radiative properties of clouds can
have significant impacts on the predicted climate
[Hartmann, 1993]. The suggestion that space particle
fluxes, as modulated by solar activity and the solar wind,
affect clouds and climate has a long history. Space particle
fluxes include galactic cosmic rays (GCR); MeV electrons
from the radiation belts; occasional energetic solar proton
events; and the bulk solar wind plasma itself. Following a note by Ney [1959], McDonald and Roberts [1960] and Roberts and Olsen [1973], speculated that their
correlations between short-term solar variability and
intensification of cyclones in the Gulf of Alaska might
involve stratospheric ionization changes, produced by
solar particle precipitation, affecting clouds. A more in-depth discussion of theoretical aspects of such a
mechanism was made by Dickinson [1975]. He pointed
out that while direct condensation of water vapor in the
ionization produced by GCR would not occur in the
atmosphere (it requires supersaturations of several
hundred percent) the presence of sulfuric acid vapor in the
atmosphere allowed condensation on the ions of H2SO4
molecules together with H2O molecules. Provided that
these can grow large enough to act as cloud condensation
nuclei (CCN), they could affect the particle size
distribution and lifetime of clouds, and thus the radiative
properties affecting climate. This process is now termed
ion-mediated nucleation [Yu and Turco, 2000, 2001] , and
in later sections we will discuss it in more detail.
Svensmark and Friis-Christensen [1997] and Svensmark
[1998] demonstrated correlations of cloud cover with
GCR flux, and speculated that ionization processes could
affect nucleation or the phase transitions of water vapor.
Marsh and Svensmark [2000] first noted the potential
importance of IMN for such GCR-cloud links."
[link to 74.125.155.132]
"Galactic cosmic rays have been positively correlated to the Earth’s low cloud cover. It is now evident that
cosmic ray ionization is linked to lowering nucleation barriers and promoting early charged particle growth
into the Aitken range. There is a substantially high probability that some of the charged particles grow to the
100 nm range and beyond to become CCN. There is also evidence that electrically charged aerosol are
more efficiently scavenged by cloud droplets, some of which evaporate producing evaporation aerosol,
which are very effective ice formation nuclei.
The assumption is made that artificially generated, corona effect ionization should act in much the same way
as cosmic ray ionization, with some differences that might make unipolar corona effect ionization a more
powerful catalyzer of cloud microphysical processes and, consequently, climate. There is much further work
required to understand the cause and effect relationship between artificial ionization and weather, including
electrical, chemical and physical measurements at the nanoparticle level and beyond, as well as
mathematical modeling to describe the observed, measured or hypothesized atmospheric phenomena at
different levels of artificial ionization, and, hopefully equal levels of cosmic ray ionization."
[link to 74.125.155.132]
Researches of troposphere-stratosphere-ionosphere coupling are based on idea of the strong influence of the long- and short-term solar activity variations on the polar terrestrial climate and the asymmetry in the energy deposition from the magnetosphere into the polar ionospheres.
The solar activity variations produce changeable impact on magnetosphere and polar ionosphere in both hemispheres. Results of this impact are (1) differences in the ozone concentrations in the Antarctic and Arctic stratosphere due to different forcing in spring; (2) different planetary wave activity; (3) different gravity wave flux intensity depended on strengths of the weather frontal cyclones activity. The study of upper atmosphere in both hemispheres is necessary to better understand various physical mechanisms responsible for the energy transfer from the Sun into atmosphere and ionosphere as well as reverse flux from troposphere to geospace. A simultaneous consideration of phenomena occurring over both polar regions is very important for understanding of these processes. The solution of the problem of energy exchange between neutral atmosphere and geospace plasma is need in study of industrial EM pollution from Earth surface to geospace. A corresponding work must promote modeling space weather on satellite heights and earthquake prediction using ionosphere parameters changes.
A determinative significance of Antarctic Peninsula is caused by following features: (1) Antarctic Peninsula is situated near an extremely cyclonic active region - Drake Passage, (2) only this region in Antarctica is magnetically conjugated to industrial area in Northern hemisphere, and (3) this region contains many Antarctic stations which are good equipped by devices to study weather and climate, ozone layer, ionosphere and magnetic field. Last years weather observations at Vernadsky station show that up to 60 atmospheric frontal cyclones (with pressure variation more 20 millibars) swept over Antarctic Peninsula during year. Therefore this region is the most appropriate to study ionosphere impact of troposphere induced AGW. These features produced the scientific goal of the project APTIC. It is to explore the response of the ionosphere to strong weather systems sweeping the Antarctic Peninsula sector and identify energy transfer mechanisms. Main task of the project consists in research of the energy exchange processes between lower (troposphere) and upper atmosphere and EM impact of weather front (cyclone) on ionosphere over Antarctic Peninsula as well as in conjugate region (east coast of the USA). Multipositional study of the powered atmosphere cyclone fronts on Antarctic Peninsula to ionosphere, magnetosphere and conjugate region using three (and more in future) automatic meteo-mag-receivers (MMR) is a new direction of researches. Main scientific objectives of APTIC project are (1) study of the travelling ionosphere disturbances (TID) within F2-layer hights; (2) study of macroscale atmosphere wavelike processes: tides, planetary waves and their image in ozone layer; (3) study of the impact of troposphere disturbances to ozone layer and ionosphere; (4) search the possible influence of sharp changes and longtime trend in ozone layer to troposphere and climate; (5) study of the spatial-temporal structure of frontal weather systems, their moving velocity and direction; (6) search of the time variations (shift) in the geomagnetic substorm development using long-distance chain (Frei-Palmer-Vernadsky-Rothera); (7) study of the spatial corelation of resonance geomagnetic micropulsation; (8) study of the polarisation structure of geomagnetic micropulsation.
[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]
The ELF measurements in Russian observatories Lovozero (the Kola Peninsula) and Lekhta (Karelija) during the solar proton event of 14 July 2000 show the decrease of frequencies of the first and second Schumann resonance modes of ~0.4 Hz and the increase of the first-mode bandwidth from 0.8 to 1.5 Hz. The solar X-ray burst, preceding the proton precipitation, is accompanied by the increase of the first-mode frequency. Approximate formulas for frequencies and qualities of the two first modes are found for a two-layer model of the Schumann resonator (SR). The changes of the SR parameters are a response of the Earth-ionosphere resonator to large-scale disturbances of the polar ionosphere.
[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]
Ground based observations of whistler mode ELF/VLF (300 Hz 30 kHz) waves are considered as an important remote sensing tool for the investigation of upper atmosphere and magnetosphere. These VLF waves find their origin in various natural and artificial phenomena, the natural sources include thunderstorms, lightning and associated phenomena. Despite of the fact that conjugate region of India having less lightning activity as it lies in Indian Ocean and also the height of the magnetic field lines connecting the conjugate regions lies in the ionosphere/atmosphere, lot of interesting VLF activity through the magnetosphere is observed in Indian low latitude region. Sub-ionospheric VLF transmissions propagating inside the Earth-ionosphere wave-guide is also being widely used for investigating sudden ionospheric perturbations in lower part of the ionosphere. For this purpose we propose to monitor VLF signals continuously at several locations in Indian sector with the help of AWESOME VLF receivers from Stanford University. AWESOME receivers are capable of collecting both broadband (used for the study of natural signals) and narrowband (sub-ionospheric VLF signals corresponding to VLF transmitters) data. The obtained data will enable us to understand the generation and propagation mechanism of radio atmospherics from lightning flashes, magnetospheric whistlers, VLF emissions and other naturally occurring phenomena. Narrowband sub- ionospheric VLF signals and ground based geomagnetic data in Indian low latitude region will help us to study sudden ionospheric disturbances associated with transient phenomena like solar flares, geomagnetic storms, cosmic gamma-ray flares, etc.
[link to adsabs.harvard.edu] |
| Xenus
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9/24/2009 7:45 PM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
Wake up people, this "global warming" which is now called climate change is bullshit. This is proof of it. Climate change = more space weather events! It's not predictable at all! At least not to any degree of accuracy. However, if we finally stopped all the bullshit and worked out how this process is happening we can develop better predictions. Why has no one officially confirmed the links between space events and our weather yet? |
| Xenus
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9/24/2009 8:07 PM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
You'd think people would have a bigger interest in this considering all the hype and focus on climate change... I present proof that climate change has nothing to do with man because of the incredibly high energies responsible for atmospheric ionization and other effects. The carbon tax is simply another tax and nothing to do with climate change! And you're all asking for it out of ignorance. |
| Xenus
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9/24/2009 8:42 PM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
Why has the public not been told about the links between space events and weather on Earth? Especially given the energies which start cyclones and typhoons? Or turn normal storms into monsters? If people and scientists finally acknowledge that space events do affect our weather we can make more accurate predictions for things like hurricanes and floods. The weather changes caused by the high energies entering and interacting with our atmosphere and magnetosphere are not instant, it takes time for the process to occur, which would give people enough time to prepare for floods or extreme weather events. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/24/2009 9:19 PM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
Ok, I'll bite. I think it's a good, original post.
I've just now come to realize that oxygen is a polar element (thus its propensity to react) and that it plays a role in the ionsphere due to its electrical nature. |
| Xenus
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9/24/2009 9:33 PM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
Note: this is not the full article, the full article is linked down the bottom for further reading, these are the main and important points. Plasma and electricity in our atmosphere plays a major role, but then again not many people would even know we have plasma above us... How can ANYONE possibly say our planet is cooling or warming with ANY certainty when we don't even officially acknowledge that space events have such a huge impact on weather? Not to mention the unpredictability of such events. This fact may scare people because it's out of our control. Unlike the made up bullshit of climate change and pollution, which gives people the feeling they can change things and giving governments more money via the carbon tax. Which YOU asked for. In the age of information technology the control of information is a dangerous tool.
On Dec. 27, 2004, scientists detected the largest gamma-ray burst ever recorded. It came from a magnetar—a neutron star with an enormous magnetic field—50,000 light years away. Its powerful rays penetrated deep into the ionosphere, the electrically conductive layer encircling Earth.
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Probing the 'ignore-o-sphere'
Solar wind is an important component of space weather. When the sun acts up through flares and coronal mass ejections, it transmits streaming energetic particles toward the Earth's magnetosphere, greatly increasing the fluxes of energetic electrons trapped in the Van Allen radiation belts and also causing large changes in the Earth's ionosphere. The ionosphere is the highest region of the upper atmosphere, which is maintained by ionization of neutral air by solar photons and cosmic rays. When cosmic rays hit the two nitrogen atoms bound together in a nitrogen gas molecule, the molecular components separate into positively charged nitrogen atoms and negatively charged electrons.
"At higher altitudes, there isn't enough air for ionized molecules to combine and become neutral again, so the region stays ionized," Inan said. "That's what the ionosphere is."
*snip*
The Van Allen belts consist of energetic electrons trapped in the Earth's magnetic field, which extends into space and shields the Earth from cosmic radiation.
"One of the things that lightning does is to remove electrons from the radiation belts," Inan explained. Without electron removal, the belts would become more and more intense, he said.
When lightning flashes on the Earth's surface, it launches electromagnetic waves up to the Van Allen radiation belts. En route, the electromagnetic waves interact with energetic electrons trapped along the magnetic field lines of the Earth in the Van Allen belts and scatter these electrons into the ionosphere. Interactions between the electromagnetic waves change the energy and direction of momentum of the electrons, causing them to precipitate from the belts as a result of energy input by lightning discharges. The precipitating electrons in turn produce patches of enhanced electricity in the ionosphere.
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Flares hit Earth in 1998 and 2004
In a 1999 issue of the journal Geophysical Review Letters, Inan and his STAR Lab colleagues reported the ionospheric effects of a giant gamma-ray flare from another star. It occurred on Aug. 27, 1998, in the middle of the night (as recorded at Stanford in the Pacific Daylight Time zone), but it ionized the atmosphere to levels usually found only during daytime.
Like a lighthouse whose spinning beam hits a specific point on shore at regular intervals, this neutron star had a periodicity. It spewed gamma rays every 5.16 seconds. "We observed the ionosphere respond to that," Inan said. "The ionosphere was in fact pulsating at night."
The star responsible for the 2004 burst was about the same distance as the star responsible for the 1998 burst but was within 5 degrees of the sun as viewed from Earth. Therefore its gamma rays arrived on the day side of our planet. Neither star's gamma rays reached the Earth's surface, according to Inan. Neither flare posed a danger to people, he said.
"The amazing part for the new [daytime] event is even during daytime, even in this solar-illuminated ionosphere, the effect of the flare was huge," said Inan. "It was much, much more intense than the sun in terms of producing ionization."
Scientists didn't observe the ionosphere pulsating with the 2004 burst, although they did see that the gamma rays arrived in pulses. "Because the gamma rays were on the solar, day side, of the ionosphere, we didn't see the periodicity," Inan said. "We saw a massive effect that created new ionization." The pulsing was at lower levels than the initial peak and was drowned out by solar ionization, he said.
More powerful and brighter than the nighttime flare, the daytime flare pumped 1,000 times as much energy into the atmosphere, Inan said. "There's nothing like this [the magnetar that delivered flares in 2004], I understand from my astrophysics colleagues, in our part of the woods—in other words, near our galaxy," Inan said. If there was, he says, we would be inundated with gamma rays, which are high-energy X-rays from which the atmosphere shields us by creating ionization. "If the flare was intense enough, then it would penetrate—the atmosphere couldn't hold it."
The 2004 flare was brighter and more energetic than the sun but lasted for just a brief period. It ionized the atmosphere down to an altitude of 20 kilometers (about 50,000 feet), just above where airplanes fly. (Solar photoionization is not effective at such low altitudes because the atmosphere is too thick, Inan said.)
The flare changed the ionic density at an altitude of 60 kilometers from 0.1 to 10,000 free electrons per cubic foot—an increase of six orders of magnitude. Normally, it takes hundreds of seconds for the ionosphere to recover from the electromagnetic waves launched by lightning.
"The remarkable thing is that it took an hour for it to come back from this disturbance," Inan said. "It's a very unusual event and was three orders of magnitude more intense than the [1998] one, which we thought was very intense."
[link to news-service.stanford.edu] |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/24/2009 9:34 PM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
Why has the public not been told about the links between space events and weather on Earth? Especially given the energies which start cyclones and typhoons? Or turn normal storms into monsters? If people and scientists finally acknowledge that space events do affect our weather we can make more accurate predictions for things like hurricanes and floods. The weather changes caused by the high energies entering and interacting with our atmosphere and magnetosphere are not instant, it takes time for the process to occur, which would give people enough time to prepare for floods or extreme weather events. Quoting: Xenus 762820
Because the Great Goracle will not allow the common man to know the truth ... [link to www.goracle.org] |
| Xenus
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9/24/2009 9:50 PM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
The majority of people only care about MONEY or their little trinkets and breeding. These are the same people who pretty much decide who runs our countries and major things like that. The same majority of people don't want to think or can't think for themselves, this also applies to the people on GLP. I'm really fucking tired of paying the price for their ignorance, their stupidity and their inability to think. They either need to be eradicated or educated properly, I am sick of having to watch this planet and everyone on it suffer because the majority don't give a shit or are too lazy or stupid.
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| Xenus
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9/24/2009 9:59 PM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
NASA Makes Cloud to Study Particles
Irene Klotz, Discovery News
Sept. 23, 2009 -- A small rocket blasted off from Virginia this weekend, carrying nothing. But the launch was carefully timed so the motor's final burst would release 200 pounds of aluminum oxide -- the white, powdery material left behind on rusting aluminum -- into the ionosphere.
The result: a magnificent cloud at the edge of space that scientists used to learn more about electrically charged dust particles, a phenomenon that plays a role in fields as diverse as semiconductor manufacturing to the study of Saturn's rings.
"There's a lot of different dusty plasmas around," said Paul Bernhardt, a physicist at the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, D.C., who heads the science team for the Charged Aerosol Release Experiment, known as CARE.
The artificial cloud hovered about 173 miles above Earth, where it was tracked by an array of ground-based radars, as well as an instrument aboard a military research satellite known as STPSat-1.
Scientists plan to use the data to learn more about the physics of charged particles. The studies also may shed light on naturally occurring high-altitude clouds, known as nocticulent or night-shining clouds, which puzzle researchers by their strong radar reflectivity.
"We're looking at the physical properties that cause radar to scatter there," said Virginia Tech researcher Wayne Scales.
"There is a possibility that we can look at the radar scatter (of the artificial cloud) and infer some useful radar characteristics that would tell us something about the natural dust layer, particle size and density," he said.
Scientists have noted an increase in the number of naturally occurring nocticulent clouds over the past decade and speculate that it might be due to changes in Earth's climate.
"This is a diagnostic tool," said Bernhardt. "Launching rockets is expensive. If you can sit on the ground with your radar, day after day, making profiles, that's great, but then you have to know what it means; how many electrons are there; what is the density of the dust; what's the air flow.
"A lot of times we push ourselves outside the normal environment to see if we really understand what's going on," he added.
[link to dsc.discovery.com]
The idiots have it the wrong way around, climate change is not responsible for more charged particles in the atmosphere, more charged particles in the atmosphere are causing these climate "changes". |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/24/2009 10:56 PM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
The majority of people only care about MONEY or their little trinkets and breeding. These are the same people who pretty much decide who runs our countries and major things like that. The same majority of people don't want to think or can't think for themselves, this also applies to the people on GLP. I'm really fucking tired of paying the price for their ignorance, their stupidity and their inability to think. They either need to be eradicated or educated properly, I am sick of having to watch this planet and everyone on it suffer because the majority don't give a shit or are too lazy or stupid.
Quoting: Xenus 762820
even here on GLP it's the threads that derail into sexual banter that are the most popular. Threads with substance fall into the abyss... but that's only because life's too short to worry about saving the planet. |
| Xenus
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9/24/2009 11:31 PM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
A basic rundown of the magnetosphere.
How it Works:
The Earth's magnetic field is created by currents in the core, and extends over one million kilometers into space. Inside this field, but outside Earth's atmosphere, there are particles trapped from the solar wind and from evaporation from the atmosphere. This collection of particles and fields is called the magnetosphere. Because charged particles and magnetic fields affect each other strongly, scientists studying the magnetospheric system have their hands full keeping track of all the things that can go on. It has taken nearly 100 years to understand what the basic components to this system are, and how they interact with each other.
The most important thing you need to understand as you read the material in this unit, is that currents of electrically-charged particles produce magnetic fields. To re-acquaint yourself with this very important idea, please conduct the following experiment:
[link to image.gsfc.nasa.gov]
Now let's look at the way this system works. Think of a system as a play that you may have read in English Class where there are several different actors, each with its own role to play.
The Main Characters (Basic Components):
Earth's Magnetic Field
The Plasmasphere
The Van Allen Belts and Trapped Particles
The Ring Current
Every system can be looked at in terms of the things that go into it and the things that come out. These are called 'inputs and outputs'. In nature it can be easy to identify what these are, but sometimes nature can be rather shy about letting you see them easily.
Remember, humans have senses that work well to detect some things in nature. These senses may not work well enough to see things that are very small (cells and atoms), things that are not present in large numbers (the sand grain in your shoe), or that do not easily absorb light (like the invisible air around you). Humans have created tools that extend our senses so that we can see atoms, magnetic fields and even the air we breath. These tools help us to see much more clearly the inputs and outputs to systems in nature.
What Goes in (Inputs):
Solar wind particles, electromagnetic radiation, and magnetic fields
Terrestrial atmospheric atoms (oxygen, hydrogen, helium)
What Comes Out (Outputs):
Electrical currents flowing into the atmosphere
Particles ejected into the solar wind
In order for a system to actually DO something, the parts of the system have to interact with each other. Sometimes we can see how these interactions take place, but other times they can be invisible. As these interactions take place, they actually cause the exchange of matter and energy within the system and change the inputs into outputs. When we start the engine of a car, we are not really aware of what it is that goes on within the engine to move the car forward. Somehow, the gasoline is chemically burned to release energy which then pushes on the pistons in the engine which then turn the crankshaft and the wheels. Scientists have only recently begun to understand what the processes are within the magnetosphere, and how they cause matter and energy to move about.
What Goes On Behind the Scenes (Processes in Action):
Currents of particles produce magnetic fields
Ring currents modify Earth's magnetic field
Particles are accelerated to higher energies
Solar storms cause magnetospheric storms
Aurora are produced during severe magnetospheric storms |
| Xenus
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9/25/2009 12:38 AM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
In order to have a proper public discussion about climate change and what to do, people need to understand how climate works, not run around screaming too much co2 in the atmosphere is changing the weather, when really we have no clue how the atmosphere even really works and how it drives weather events.
How many people even realise that these sorts of things are driving the weather around the world? How many people know and understand that a cosmic ray or GRB traveling from millions of lights years away hitting our magnetosphere and atmosphere cause cyclones and hurricanes? The climate is changing but it is not due to man... The frequency of these bursts has been increasing for some time now. Why do you think there are so many HAARP like stations around the world monitoring every second of the ionosphere? |
| Funney
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9/25/2009 1:30 AM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
thread that gives nothing
was obvious from childhood |
| Xenus
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9/25/2009 10:40 AM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
thread that gives nothing
was obvious from childhood Quoting: Funney 78211
It proves that this change of climate is caused mostly by activities in space and the interactions of charged particles in our ionosphere. Don't forget the sun is extremely quiet despite the expected and predicted maximum starting in 2008. But the solar wind is ALWAYS flowing and it even bypasses our magnetic shield by tearing a hole out in 2 places and allowing the wind to stream freely into our atmosphere. The connections between our planet and the objects in space are only now being discovered and acknowledged, the sun plays a major role with pelting us with charged particles and so do cosmic rays and gamma ray bursts. |
| Xenus
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9/25/2009 10:54 AM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
I should mention the energies of galactic cosmic rays (which are thought to originate within the center of galaxies from the black hole) are thousands and millions of times stronger then anything the sun can put out. Some gamma ray bursts from billions of light years away hit us with more energy the the sun can put out in its entire life in a few seconds. |
| Full Circle
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9/25/2009 11:08 AM
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I should mention the energies of galactic cosmic rays (which are thought to originate within the center of galaxies from the black hole) are thousands and millions of times stronger then anything the sun can put out. Some gamma ray bursts from billions of light years away hit us with more energy the the sun can put out in its entire life in a few seconds. Quoting: Xenus 762820
Do you recall that big announcement they had a couple of years ago about Supernova G1.9+0.3?
In oneself lies the whole world and if you know how to look and learn, the door is there and the key is in your hand. Nobody on earth can give you either the key or the door to open, except yourself. --Krishnamurti |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/25/2009 2:45 PM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
We (I and the Czech president) knew from the beginning. |
| Xenus
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9/25/2009 5:29 PM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
I should mention the energies of galactic cosmic rays (which are thought to originate within the center of galaxies from the black hole) are thousands and millions of times stronger then anything the sun can put out. Some gamma ray bursts from billions of light years away hit us with more energy the the sun can put out in its entire life in a few seconds.
Do you recall that big announcement they had a couple of years ago about Supernova G1.9+0.3? Quoting: Full Circle
No... what about it? |
| Xenus
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| Anonymous Coward
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| Anonymous Coward
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| ToSeek
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9/28/2009 2:31 PM
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I should mention the energies of galactic cosmic rays (which are thought to originate within the center of galaxies from the black hole) are thousands and millions of times stronger then anything the sun can put out. Some gamma ray bursts from billions of light years away hit us with more energy the the sun can put out in its entire life in a few seconds. Quoting: Xenus 762820
If that were the case, we'd all be fried instantly. |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/29/2009 9:39 AM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
I should mention the energies of galactic cosmic rays (which are thought to originate within the center of galaxies from the black hole) are thousands and millions of times stronger then anything the sun can put out. Some gamma ray bursts from billions of light years away hit us with more energy the the sun can put out in its entire life in a few seconds.
If that were the case, we'd all be fried instantly. Quoting: ToSeek
I think I know what I am talking about if I felt the need to post about such a complex subject such as this.
"Even at those distances they appear so bright that their energy output during its brief peak period has to be larger than that of any other type of source, of the order of a solar rest-mass if isotropic, or some percent of that if collimated. This energy output rate is comparable to burning up the entire mass-energy of the sun in a few tens of seconds, or to emit over that same period of time as much energy as our entire Milky Way does in a hundred years."
[link to www.astro.psu.edu] |
| Full Circle
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9/29/2009 9:48 AM
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Go to the 30 minute mark of this video. It explains alot about cloud seeding (chemtrails/contrails) and it's purpose
Last Edited by Full Circle on 9/29/2009 at 9:48 AM
In oneself lies the whole world and if you know how to look and learn, the door is there and the key is in your hand. Nobody on earth can give you either the key or the door to open, except yourself. --Krishnamurti |
| Anonymous Coward
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9/30/2009 12:14 AM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
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| Xenus
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9/30/2009 7:53 AM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
I wonder if a magnetar or something as strong was responsible for the latest quake and tsunami? The last major tsunami also "coincided" with a major blast from space... |
| Enlilson 
The Sons of Enlil live.
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9/30/2009 7:58 AM
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when I hav some input I'll leave em here.
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| Xenus
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9/30/2009 8:58 AM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
Give it 24-48 hours and I'll try to see if there has been any high energy bursts in the same time period as this quake and tsunami. It could be a close GRB source or a neutron star or magnetar or something. If we have the object in our catalogs then we'll know where it came from, if not, then there is now way of finding the source(s). |
| Dances
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9/30/2009 9:01 AM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
Point of Interest
AAVSO Special Notice #169
Possible outburst of the dwarf nova BC UMa
September 30, 2009
The high-amplitude, infrequently outbursting dwarf nova BC UMa has been reported in outburst. The star was reported at a visual magnitude
of 11.7 on JD 2455104.93958 (2009 Sep 30.4396) by T. Parson (Circle Pines,
Minnesota, USA). Confirming observations are requested at this time; upon
positive confirmation, time-series observations are also requested. The
most recent preceeding observation submitted to the AAVSO was CV <15.4 madeon JD 2455058.6361 (2009 August 15.1361; H. McGee, Guildford, England). If BC UMa is in outburst it is not clear for how long.
BC UMa is located at the following (J2000) coordinates:
RA: 11:52:15.90 , Dec: +49:14:42.0
Charts for BC UMa may be plotted with AAVSO Variable Star Plotter:
[link to www.aavso.org] |
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User ID: 783157
9/30/2009 9:05 AM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
Oh, I forgot to post this also, there's plenty of other evidence for the links between the events in space and here on Earth.
Billions of tonnes of water droplets vanish from the atmosphere, as if by magic, in events that reveal in detail how the Sun and the stars control our everyday clouds. Researchers of the National Space Institute in the Technical University of Denmark (DTU) have traced the consequences of eruptions on the Sun that screen the Earth from some of the cosmic rays - the energetic particles raining down on our planet from exploded stars.
"The Sun makes fantastic natural experiments that allow us to test our ideas about its effects on the climate," says Prof. Henrik Svensmark, lead author of a report newly published in Geophysical Research Letters. When solar explosions interfere with the cosmic rays there is a temporary shortage of small aerosols, chemical specks in the air that normally grow until water vapour can condense on them, so seeding the liquid water droplets of low-level clouds. Because of the shortage, clouds over the ocean can lose as much as 7 per cent of their liquid water within seven or eight days of the cosmic-ray minimum.
"A link between the Sun, cosmic rays, aerosols, and liquid-water clouds appears to exist on a global scale," the report concludes. This research, to which Torsten Bondo and Jacob Svensmark contributed, validates 13 years of discoveries that point to a key role for cosmic rays in climate change. In particular, it connects observable variations in the world's cloudiness to laboratory experiments in Copenhagen showing how cosmic rays help to make the all-important aerosols.
Other investigators have reported difficulty in finding significant effects of the solar eruptions on clouds, and Henrik Svensmark understands their problem. "It's like trying to see tigers hidden in the jungle, because clouds change a lot from day to day whatever the cosmic rays are doing," he says. The first task for a successful hunt was to work out when "tigers" were most likely to show themselves, by identifying the most promising instances of sudden drops in the count of cosmic rays, called Forbush decreases. Previous research in Copenhagen predicted that the effects should be most notice-able in the lowest 3000 metres of the atmosphere. The team identified 26 Forbush decreases since 1987 that caused the biggest reductions in cosmic rays at low altitudes, and set about looking for the consequences.
[link to www.physorg.com]
If people actually read what the people studying the climate and atmosphere and space actually discover and observe they would realise what's happening is not as simple as global warming... |
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User ID: 783157
10/1/2009 1:11 AM | | Re: Proof of space weather events affecting Earth's weather! | Quote |
No one interested? Seriously? |
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