Israel gets two more German submarines

Great catch my friend!

Iran has 3 Russian kilos with "Hoot" torpedoes. Interesting development to say the least.

The drums of war keep beating louder and louder.
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While I do not advocate war I must insist that The Ancient Prophesies about the Battle of Armageddon will all come true. Our banks are insolvent, usa military is streched, the economy is weak, and Iran is growing in strength. Someone is going to make a tragic move sooner or later.

Timely report, Eli.

Semper Fi.

Looks to me like the attack would center on just Bushehr and Natanz. Those two main sites are the center of the Iranian program. Busehr is an easier target while Natanz is in deep and far more risky. Take out these two sites and Iran's program is basically shutdown for a long while, maybe even permanently.

Unless Iran gets the S300 systems, a cruise missile strike alone can probably do the job with some close quarter F15i long range strikes. The problems would be the missile counter attack in Tel Aviv etc, the effectiveness of the Arrow and the inevitable front with Hizbollah and probably Syria. Depends allot on what the US would or wouldn't do too.

I don't see this as a completely unrealistic try by Israel or any bolder than any of the other preemption's they have chosen to do in the past. The chances are pretty good and it looks doable to me.

I agree. They have 100% collective agreement from all Israeli factions and they have the ability. Taking out the Iranian threats is the biggie ~ but Syria is much closer and primed as they are stitched to the hip with Iran. imo, That front would be much more dicey and Isaiah 17:1 comes to mind.

I agree. They have 100% collective agreement from all Israeli factions and they have the ability. Taking out the Iranian threats is the biggie ~ but Syria is much closer and primed as they are stitched to the hip with Iran. imo, That front would be much more dicey and Isaiah 17:1 comes to mind.


yup, but the Israeli government doesn't think about the prophecies at all. They are a pretty secular bunch. If they go for it, they have total confidence in the Arrow to neuter the Iranian ballistic missiles. They will deploy heavy in the North and be ready for total war there. Iran really isn't the problem. They can attain their goals visa vi Iran's nuke program, but total war in the North is the gamble.

The drums of war keep beating louder and louder.
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While I do not advocate war I must insist that The Ancient Prophesies about the Battle of Armageddon will all come true. Our banks are insolvent, usa military is streched, the economy is weak, and Iran is growing in strength. Someone is going to make a tragic move sooner or later.

SOONER

I hear ya' ~ but just because Israel is fairly secular doesn't spoil God's 100% record of prophecy. Although they acknowledge the Divine in previous victories ~ they are not dependent on it...yet. Fortunately for them, Adonai has a large sense of humor and honor.


That may be the key point to whatever happens. I know one day they will stand alone and have no other choice. I don't think either side fairs well in Isa 17 although Syria fairs worse.

any germans here????

I found an article that has some of the info I heard: [link to www.ucg.org]

What Would an Israel-Iran Nuclear War Mean?
A commentary by Scott Ashley
Good News managing editor

Iran and Israel have exchanged threats and counter threats regularly in recent years. The difference is that Iranian leaders threaten Israel with total annihilation and Israel usually responds by saying that it will take the necessary steps to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons—the existence of which would give Tehran the means to destroy the Jewish nation.

This latest news emerged from Shaul Mofaz, a former defense minister in the Israeli cabinet and one of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s deputies. He is privy to private defense plans in the Israeli government and is a participant in the security cabinet. He clearly stated, "If Iran continues with its programme for developing nuclear weapons, we will attack it" (The Irish Times, June 7, 2008, emphasis added). He said these words to the Hebrew daily Yediot Aharonot.

In December 2001, then-Iranian president Hashemi Rafsanjani expressed the logic, as he saw it, of a nuclear attack on Israel—that such an attack would eliminate the Jewish state, but Israel in return could only temporarily set back the Islamic world. He believed it would be worth starting a war in which 15 million Muslims would die—since well over a billion would remain—if Israel would no longer exist.

But is such a calculation reasonable or close to accurate?

Anthony Cordesman, former director of intelligence assessment for the U.S. secretary of defense and currently a top analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, offers a different and profoundly disturbing view—that an Israel-Iran nuclear war would devastate the region and the entire world economy.

He believes that Israel, being a more advanced and organized society, could conceivably survive a nuclear exchange while losing 200,000 to 800,000 citizens within 21 days, but Iran would face 16 to 28 million dead in the same time frame and no longer survive as an organized society (United Press International, Nov. 22, 2007).

The difference, he points out, is that Israel is presumed to have better antimissile defenses and more warheads with vastly greater explosive yields (up to 10 times as powerful) with far more accurate delivery systems. He notes that the Iranian capital of Tehran, with its 15 million inhabitants packed into a basin surrounded by mountains, is a "nearly ideal nuclear killing ground."

Israel, Cordesman says, would need a "reserve strike capability to ensure no other power can capitalize on an Iranian strike"—meaning Israel would have to target such "key Arab neighbors" as Syria and Egypt. While a Syrian attack on Israel with chemical and biological weapons could kill another 800,000 Israelis, an Israeli nuclear attack on Syria would kill up to 18 million and finish Syria as a nation. A similar attack on Egypt would kill tens of millions of Egyptians.

Other damage from such a war would include major population centers in the region, the Suez Canal, ports, refineries and oil-producing centers. While it would not be Armageddon for the human race, he says, it would be for the global economy, marking the end of the Oil Age, globalization and world economic growth and prosperity. "The only way to win is not to play," he concludes.

I found an article that has some of the info I heard: [link to www.ucg.org]

What Would an Israel-Iran Nuclear War Mean?
A commentary by Scott Ashley
Good News managing editor

Iran and Israel have exchanged threats and counter threats regularly in recent years. The difference is that Iranian leaders threaten Israel with total annihilation and Israel usually responds by saying that it will take the necessary steps to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapons—the existence of which would give Tehran the means to destroy the Jewish nation.

This latest news emerged from Shaul Mofaz, a former defense minister in the Israeli cabinet and one of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s deputies. He is privy to private defense plans in the Israeli government and is a participant in the security cabinet. He clearly stated, "If Iran continues with its programme for developing nuclear weapons, we will attack it" (The Irish Times, June 7, 2008, emphasis added). He said these words to the Hebrew daily Yediot Aharonot.

In December 2001, then-Iranian president Hashemi Rafsanjani expressed the logic, as he saw it, of a nuclear attack on Israel—that such an attack would eliminate the Jewish state, but Israel in return could only temporarily set back the Islamic world. He believed it would be worth starting a war in which 15 million Muslims would die—since well over a billion would remain—if Israel would no longer exist.

But is such a calculation reasonable or close to accurate?

Anthony Cordesman, former director of intelligence assessment for the U.S. secretary of defense and currently a top analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, offers a different and profoundly disturbing view—that an Israel-Iran nuclear war would devastate the region and the entire world economy.

He believes that Israel, being a more advanced and organized society, could conceivably survive a nuclear exchange while losing 200,000 to 800,000 citizens within 21 days, but Iran would face 16 to 28 million dead in the same time frame and no longer survive as an organized society (United Press International, Nov. 22, 2007).

The difference, he points out, is that Israel is presumed to have better antimissile defenses and more warheads with vastly greater explosive yields (up to 10 times as powerful) with far more accurate delivery systems. He notes that the Iranian capital of Tehran, with its 15 million inhabitants packed into a basin surrounded by mountains, is a "nearly ideal nuclear killing ground."

Israel, Cordesman says, would need a "reserve strike capability to ensure no other power can capitalize on an Iranian strike"—meaning Israel would have to target such "key Arab neighbors" as Syria and Egypt. While a Syrian attack on Israel with chemical and biological weapons could kill another 800,000 Israelis, an Israeli nuclear attack on Syria would kill up to 18 million and finish Syria as a nation. A similar attack on Egypt would kill tens of millions of Egyptians.

Other damage from such a war would include major population centers in the region, the Suez Canal, ports, refineries and oil-producing centers. While it would not be Armageddon for the human race, he says, it would be for the global economy, marking the end of the Oil Age, globalization and world economic growth and prosperity. "The only way to win is not to play," he concludes.


Chilling. The fatness of Jacob's flesh shall wax lean.

It's such a scenario that precedes the Russian led operation to contain and eliminate the nation of Israel.

I found an article that has some of the info I heard: [link to www.ucg.org]

What Would an Israel-Iran Nuclear War Mean?