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Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?

 
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Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
why have i never heard of a cocaine lab being busted in the US ??? why doesnt anyone just grow coca plants over here in america?
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
it needs that south American climate and altitude
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
it needs that south American climate and altitude
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but couldnt it be grown indoors with hydroponics?
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
it needs that south American climate and altitude

but couldnt it be grown indoors with hydroponics?
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too expensive
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
They could probably be grown in south Florida or California. I would like to see all PLANTS legal to grow. AS GOD INTENDED.
I think Khat would be fun to grow.
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
i dont think you can Fake altitude in a grow room

w/o spending hundreds of thousands and raising flags
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
you could grow them in the south eastern U.S.
And they probably are, IMO they could be easy to grow
and get away with it because nobody really know what they
look like. But every one (Cops) know what marijuana looks like.
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
you could grow them in the south eastern U.S.
And they probably are, IMO they could be easy to grow
and get away with it because nobody really know what they
look like. But every one (Cops) know what marijuana looks like.
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What does IMO mean and what state exactly...?
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
i dont think you can Fake altitude in a grow room

w/o spending hundreds of thousands and raising flags
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ok, lets say you do go thru a couple hundred thousand...how could you possibly fake altitude, and why is altitude so important in growing this type of plant?
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
IMO probably means In My Opinion.

It takes massive amounts of coca leaves to make cocaine, huge quantity just to make a kilo.

No way to hide that kind of an operation even in mountains of the Southeast.

We get flyovers with helicopters using infrared that can tell the difference in plants, etc.

They would find it in a heartbeat just as they do most of the pot grown here.
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
i dont think you can Fake altitude in a grow room

w/o spending hundreds of thousands and raising flags

ok, lets say you do go thru a couple hundred thousand...how could you possibly fake altitude, and why is altitude so important in growing this type of plant?
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UHHHHHHH


Ever hear of cabin pressure??

you sir are an idiot

you would just need to change the pressure in the room

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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
i dont think you can Fake altitude in a grow room

w/o spending hundreds of thousands and raising flags

ok, lets say you do go thru a couple hundred thousand...how could you possibly fake altitude, and why is altitude so important in growing this type of plant?



UHHHHHHH


Ever hear of cabin pressure??

you sir are an idiot

you would just need to change the pressure in the room

DARWIN AWARD !!
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i figured in plants it was a little different
laugh
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
I understand that growing Coca plants in the United States is not usually something that you hear about. Too think that it is a direct result of some type of climate issues is not at all the reason. Altitude appears to be the obstacle which obviously can not be overcome. Perhaps you could use a hot air balloon to grow your Coca plants?! Altitude changes to effect plant growth in one way. The higher you are from sea level the less amount of air is available. So, if a plant can successfully grow in very elevated geographical zone it is because they have the ability to photosynthesize without large concentrations of carbon dioxide. Now, if you placed the plant in an altitude where there were much larger volumes of carbon dioxide available what possibly would restrict it from simply having an abundance of a needed element? There is no such thing as carbon dioxide murder from a plant overdosing because it consumed too much. So, the reasons that cocaine plantations exist in the particular climates that they do are because that is where massive plantations can be grown and processing plants can be done easily due to the obscurity of those South American regions far away from all the rest of the world. And so when the United States becomes a third world barren jungle land with huge unregulated isolated areas the cocaine plantation will subsequently emerge as well.
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
It's not the jungle.
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
i dont think you can Fake altitude in a grow room

w/o spending hundreds of thousands and raising flags

ok, lets say you do go thru a couple hundred thousand...how could you possibly fake altitude, and why is altitude so important in growing this type of plant?



UHHHHHHH


Ever hear of cabin pressure??

you sir are an idiot

you would just need to change the pressure in the room

DARWIN AWARD !!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 496508



So how much pressure is needed? So you would have to put acres of plants in a pressure chamber and under sun lamps?

Yea, that's cost effective.
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why have i never heard of a cocaine lab being busted in the US ??? why doesnt anyone just grow coca plants over here in america?
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because it a secret moron...why can't people just keep their big mouths shut and stop asking so many questions?
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
Actually you don't need to refine the cocaine, you can just chew the leaves like they do in South America.

I read somewhere that the city of San Francisco had a coca tree (it's a tree) growing in one of the city parks. It grew just fine, the only problem was people kept pulling the leaves off of it. So I don't think there is really any problem with altitude.
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
It grows in an arboretum near me. In a greenhouse(Mid GA)
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
Coca does not do well in any climate except that of Hawaii.

Even in a green house it doesn't do too well, its a complicated plant requiring too much love and attention in any climate other than its tropical home.
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
Actually you don't need to refine the cocaine, you can just chew the leaves like they do in South America.

I read somewhere that the city of San Francisco had a coca tree (it's a tree) growing in one of the city parks. It grew just fine, the only problem was people kept pulling the leaves off of it. So I don't think there is really any problem with altitude.
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Golden Gate Park is in fog most of the year, thus yes a few tropical plants can do rather well in the park and in the very small area that has the off shore heating/cooling.

However coca require very well drained soil and lots and lots and lots of water. Preferred soil would be basically pumice stone gravel mixed with pure compost.
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
It is the vibrations from the ancients. The soil in south america resonates their energies to the coca plants which is then processed into highly addictive drugs which are then ingested by addicts which then channel the ancient spirits. This is how ritual cocaine sacrifices come about.
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
How cocaine is made in the jungle:



Still want to put that in your nose?

A couple of Coca leaves, slowly chewed, and held between the cheek and gums, will provide a nice, mild lift. Nothing like snorting a line of refined coke, I'd imagine.

The plant needs serious tropical heat. Florida, Texas and SoCal get to cold in the winter time-- Zone 11/12 and higher.

--mf

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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
i dont think you can Fake altitude in a grow room

w/o spending hundreds of thousands and raising flags

ok, lets say you do go thru a couple hundred thousand...how could you possibly fake altitude, and why is altitude so important in growing this type of plant?



UHHHHHHH


Ever hear of cabin pressure??

you sir are an idiot

you would just need to change the pressure in the room

DARWIN AWARD !!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 496508


which, as he originally said is a very expensive large apparatus called a THA chamber. They go for a couple million dollars on surplus.

So will the real idiot please stand up?
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
i dont think you can Fake altitude in a grow room

w/o spending hundreds of thousands and raising flags

ok, lets say you do go thru a couple hundred thousand...how could you possibly fake altitude, and why is altitude so important in growing this type of plant?



UHHHHHHH


Ever hear of cabin pressure??

you sir are an idiot

you would just need to change the pressure in the room

DARWIN AWARD !!


which, as he originally said is a very expensive large apparatus called a THA chamber. They go for a couple million dollars on surplus.

So will the real idiot please stand up?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 957160

You could just pull a slight vacuum on a sealed container although this would be on all the time - a combination of pumps are used to reach extremely low pressures. I would think you could achieve the desired effect using off the shelf metal tanks.
I don't think altitude however would do much except to potentially make the plant more potent. Climate and soil are almost always the deciding factor for trans-locating plants.
The previous poster was correct in that you would need a large acreage to make it make a huge profit and in most states I would guess the penalty would be worse (at the maximum end) than pot.
Frankly you can grow just about anything except Marijuana in this country (which is the only annual tree, one of the longest natural fibers in the plant, and with seeds balanced in nutrition (lineolic acid ratio) for humans).
Poppies are generally noticed by Vietnam era veterans - they tend to regard a few plants akin to homebrew/spirits. We may well have another generation of veterans coming from Afghanistan who will recognize the flower. I saw an article in high times while I was in college about growing Peyote.

I know a guy that has a peach tree that has 20 different kinds of stone fruit on it. The world of agriculture using traditional techniques (grafting, cloning, T budding) is an amazing thing. More amazing than that is Biotechnology, more amazing than that is the hubris of growing GMOs in the wild. Micheal Pollen has a cool documentary on Netflix called the Botany of Desire. I think however Sitchin's idea that many of the domesticated plants in use today were domesticated in the fertile crescent 3000 years ago....
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
How cocaine is made in the jungle:



Still want to put that in your nose?

A couple of Coca leaves, slowly chewed, and held between the cheek and gums, will provide a nice, mild lift. Nothing like snorting a line of refined coke, I'd imagine.

The plant needs serious tropical heat. Florida, Texas and SoCal get to cold in the winter time-- Zone 11/12 and higher.

--mf
 Quoting: Monkeyfister

I used to put that in my nose, thank God, I'm over it.
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
You don't need acres of land to grow coca unless your trying to supply the whole world. One kilo of cocaine paste can be produced from 1000 kilos of coca leaves, so it would make sense that 1000 ounces or 62.5 pounds of coca leaves could be used to produce about an ounce of cocaine paste. Not sure how much actual cocaine it would make, however I would think it would be at least half an ounce and probably almost twice as pure as anything on the streets of the U.S. I cannot imagine 62.5 pounds of leaves, or even 10 times that amount, would be too expensive to produce in a small to medium size greenhouse. Cocaine currently sells in the U.S. at an almost 2000 percent mark up from its original price. Every time a kilo changes hands on its way from the farmer to the junkie, each dealer takes a piece of that mark up. It is simply the way a black market operates. By growing and producing it yourself and eliminating who knows how many middle men, it has to be economically feasible. Illeagal yes, but too expesive to produce? I don't think so.
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You don't need acres of land to grow coca unless your trying to supply the whole world. One kilo of cocaine paste can be produced from 1000 kilos of coca leaves, so it would make sense that 1000 ounces or 62.5 pounds of coca leaves could be used to produce about an ounce of cocaine paste. Not sure how much actual cocaine it would make, however I would think it would be at least half an ounce and probably almost twice as pure as anything on the streets of the U.S. I cannot imagine 62.5 pounds of leaves, or even 10 times that amount, would be too expensive to produce in a small to medium size greenhouse. Cocaine currently sells in the U.S. at an almost 2000 percent mark up from its original price. Every time a kilo changes hands on its way from the farmer to the junkie, each dealer takes a piece of that mark up. It is simply the way a black market operates. By growing and producing it yourself and eliminating who knows how many middle men, it has to be economically feasible. Illeagal yes, but too expesive to produce? I don't think so.
 Quoting: G Bush 1192075



1 kilo hcl = 100 kilos of leaves not 1000. Average alkaloid content of leaves is 1 % or less.
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Bump for the green thumbs.
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Re: Why is the Coca plant not grown in america?
Dunno about coca but what about khat?

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