Religion shouldn't be taught to children, it should be an informed decision later in life.

Nobody has a right to tell others how to raise their children.

DSP,how many children do you have?


None. Are you about to make an argument that because I don't have children I have no right to tell others how to raise their children?

No,I don,t have to ,you did it for me.


but isnt that like saying, that because you don't own a car you probably couldnt drive one?

You are saying a child is like a car?

A child absorbs that which is around them. A parent makes a huge influence on the child's life, and the parent's religion almost always transfers to the child. I would propose that parent's shouldn't indoctrinate their children into a specific religion, but instead introduce them to their options later in life.

Once reaching adulthood, the individual would be in a far better position to make a decision.

Thoughts?


O.K. fine, then they should not be taught that Homosexuality or Atheism or anything else is good or bad until they reach some age of understanding. Problem: Different kids reach maturity at different rates and they can form opinions from rumor or conjecture on their own which are totally whacked out. So, it sounds like a good idea on the surface, but like Obama, when you look beneath the surface, there is a lot lacking.

We could let them form opinions on their own, I guess, that they should beat the crap out of Atheists or Homosexuals and give them a pass since they can't be of a responsible age. Then, teach them , if they consent, Christianity which would teach against such behavior.


Or, you could teach them that it's wrong to beat people. That doesn't require religion, that only requires a sense of why it's wrong to hurt someone else.

Nobody has a right to tell others how to raise their children.


I think the old testament writers did that at quite a few points. Muhammed also.

Nobody has a right to tell others how to raise their children.


I think the old testament writers did that at quite a few points. Muhammed also.



If you claim to not believe the Bible, or other religious following, then your use of it to make a point is a non sequitur.

To those who believe in such, the writing may have been penned by men but was authored by our Creator. I think that I can safely assume that those people might regard what their God desired to be above what mere mortals might decide is right or wrong.

I think it's valid to ask why I'm not qualified to discuss raising children because I haven't raised one. I think that I would have to ask why one who has children is more qualified to raise them than those who don't.

I think it's valid to ask why I'm not qualified to discuss raising children because I haven't raised one. I think that I would have to ask why one who has children is more qualified to raise them than those who don't.



Until you have raised children, any explanation given is futile.

ONLY those who have raised children understand this.

Describe color to a person blind from birth.

i think its like learning a language. they learn a language (or two.. three) when they are young.. but that doesnt mean that they can't decide when they are older that they want to learn others, or speak in others.

i see it no more harmful than teaching english as long as they know french, german, chinese, etc. exist as well.

I think it's valid to ask why I'm not qualified to discuss raising children because I haven't raised one. I think that I would have to ask why one who has children is more qualified to raise them than those who don't.



Until you have raised children, any explanation given is futile.

ONLY those who have raised children understand this.

Describe color to a person blind from birth.

I think it's valid to ask why I'm not qualified to discuss raising children because I haven't raised one. I think that I would have to ask why one who has children is more qualified to raise them than those who don't.



Until you have raised children, any explanation given is futile.

ONLY those who have raised children understand this.

Describe color to a person blind from birth.

i think its like learning a language. they learn a language (or two.. three) when they are young.. but that doesnt mean that they can't decide when they are older that they want to learn others, or speak in others.

i see it no more harmful than teaching english as long as they know french, german, chinese, etc. exist as well.


There is a difference. Children won't usually be told that they use the one correct language. They're often told that they are in the one correct faith.

I think it's valid to ask why I'm not qualified to discuss raising children because I haven't raised one. I think that I would have to ask why one who has children is more qualified to raise them than those who don't.



Until you have raised children, any explanation given is futile.

ONLY those who have raised children understand this.

Describe color to a person blind from birth.


Ah, special knowledge. A common logical fallacy.

I can explain color to a person blind from birth:

What those with sight describe as color is our brains' interpretation of the different wavelengths of light. In the same way that you can hear tonal differences from low to high, those who can see are capable of distinguishing different 'tones,' or frequencies of light.

i think its like learning a language. they learn a language (or two.. three) when they are young.. but that doesnt mean that they can't decide when they are older that they want to learn others, or speak in others.

i see it no more harmful than teaching english as long as they know french, german, chinese, etc. exist as well.


There is a difference. Children won't usually be told that they use the one correct language. They're often told that they are in the one correct faith.


see but i explained that in my last sentence. "as long as they know french, german, chinese, etc. exist as well". I am bring my kids up Catholic, but I do not force the idea of the one correct faith on them.

so maybe the question is that "Children should not be taught that their religion is the one and only true faith" versus "Religions shouldn't be taught to children".

I think it's valid to ask why I'm not qualified to discuss raising children because I haven't raised one. I think that I would have to ask why one who has children is more qualified to raise them than those who don't.



Until you have raised children, any explanation given is futile.

ONLY those who have raised children understand this.

Describe color to a person blind from birth.


Ah, special knowledge. A common logical fallacy.

I can explain color to a person blind from birth:

What those with sight describe as color is our brains' interpretation of the different wavelengths of light. In the same way that you can hear tonal differences from low to high, those who can see are capable of distinguishing different 'tones,' or frequencies of light.


No, you cannot create an image of color that their minds can conceive in any manner that compares to what the sighted *see*.

I have been where you are and where I am. I understand your failure to grasp what I propose. You, on the other hand, cannot even come close to fathoming what I am trying to lay out. I don't expect you to. I know better.

Just remember this exchange someday should you ever have children of your own to raise. You'll understand then.

I think it's valid to ask why I'm not qualified to discuss raising children because I haven't raised one. I think that I would have to ask why one who has children is more qualified to raise them than those who don't.



Until you have raised children, any explanation given is futile.

ONLY those who have raised children understand this.

Describe color to a person blind from birth.


Ah, special knowledge. A common logical fallacy.

I can explain color to a person blind from birth:

What those with sight describe as color is our brains' interpretation of the different wavelengths of light. In the same way that you can hear tonal differences from low to high, those who can see are capable of distinguishing different 'tones,' or frequencies of light.


No, you cannot create an image of color that their minds can conceive in any manner that compares to what the sighted *see*.

I have been where you are and where I am. I understand your failure to grasp what I propose. You, on the other hand, cannot even come close to fathoming what I am trying to lay out. I don't expect you to. I know better.

Just remember this exchange someday should you ever have children of your own to raise. You'll understand then.

Fair enough. I disagree with you entirely, but there really isn't a point to argue because you believe that your experience makes you a better judge than those without your experience.

I suppose that's more what I was trying to get at. If you practice a religion, your children will doubtlessly be exposed to it. I just think it's wrong to tell them that your beliefs are the only correct beliefs.

A child absorbs that which is around them. A parent makes a huge influence on the child's life, and the parent's religion almost always transfers to the child. I would propose that parent's shouldn't indoctrinate their children into a specific religion, but instead introduce them to their options later in life.

Once reaching adulthood, the individual would be in a far better position to make a decision.

Thoughts?

Fair enough. I disagree with you entirely, but there really isn't a point to argue because you believe that your experience makes you a better judge than those without your experience.


What's wrong with that?

There things we are all better at judging from experience.

Experience is the best teacher.

Some of your logic I do not follow.

A child absorbs that which is around them. A parent makes a huge influence on the child's life, and the parent's religion almost always transfers to the child. I would propose that parent's shouldn't indoctrinate their children into a specific religion, but instead introduce them to their options later in life.

Once reaching adulthood, the individual would be in a far better position to make a decision.

Thoughts?

You have to give your child a good spiritual formation before you let him or her out into this cesspool of society.

Fair enough. I disagree with you entirely, but there really isn't a point to argue because you believe that your experience makes you a better judge than those without your experience.


What's wrong with that?

There things we are all better at judging from experience.

Experience is the best teacher.

Some of your logic I do not follow.

A child absorbs that which is around them. A parent makes a huge influence on the child's life, and the parent's religion almost always transfers to the child. I would propose that parent's shouldn't indoctrinate their children into a specific religion, but instead introduce them to their options later in life.

Once reaching adulthood, the individual would be in a far better position to make a decision.

Thoughts?

You have to give your child a good spiritual formation before you let him or her out into this cesspool of society.


No, you have to give them a good moral foundation.

A child absorbs that which is around them. A parent makes a huge influence on the child's life, and the parent's religion almost always transfers to the child. I would propose that parent's shouldn't indoctrinate their children into a specific religion, but instead introduce them to their options later in life.

Once reaching adulthood, the individual would be in a far better position to make a decision.

Thoughts?

A child absorbs that which is around them. A parent makes a huge influence on the child's life, and the parent's religion almost always transfers to the child. I would propose that parent's shouldn't indoctrinate their children into a specific religion, but instead introduce them to their options later in life.

Once reaching adulthood, the individual would be in a far better position to make a decision.

Thoughts?

You have to give your child a good spiritual formation before you let him or her out into this cesspool of society.


No, you have to give them a good moral foundation.

One implies the other.
What some want is for the teachings of Jesus not to be taught to children anymore.