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Top Africa cardinal: next pope could well be black
From Associated Press
October 05, 2009 11:49 AM EDT

VATICAN CITY - A prominent African cardinal said Monday there was no reason why the next pope couldn't be black, particularly following the election of President Barack Obama.

Cardinal Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson of Ghana is playing an important role in guiding a three-week meeting at the Vatican on the challenges of the Catholic Church in Africa.

At a news conference Monday, Turkson was asked whether he thought the time was right for a black pope, especially in light of Obama's election.

"Why not?" Turkson replied. He argued that every man who agrees to be ordained a priest has to be willing to be a pope, and is given training along the way as bishop and cardinal. "All of that is part of the package."

He also noted that former U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan was from Ghana.

"He had problems, but he still did it," Turkson said. "And now it is Obama of the United States. And if by divine providence - because the church belongs to God - if God would wish to see a black man also as pope, thanks be to God!"

Speculation about the possibility of a pope from the developing world has swirled for years, as that is where the Catholic Church is growing most: In Africa, between 1978 and 2007, the number of Catholics grew from 55 million to 146 million. By contrast, Catholic communities in Europe are in decline.

In 1978, the Polish-born Pope John Paul II became the first non-Italian pope in 455 years. Cardinals followed in 2005 by electing German-born Pope Benedict XVI.

Whether the European-heavy College of Cardinals will look outside Europe for Benedict's successor is an open question. Benedict enjoys good health at 82, and there are no signs the job will become open soon.

But Turkson may well be in the running when the time comes. The 60-year-old archbishop of Cape Coast, Ghana, was appointed by Benedict to be the relator, or key discussion leader, of the synod on Africa.

It's a high-profile position - important for letting cardinals get to know prelates from regions other than their own.

During the press conference Monday, he was deft in handling delicate questions about the church in Africa, including one about priests who stray from their vows of celibacy and live openly with women.

"I might say I knew that question would come up," he quipped.

He said the matter was not something to hide or be ashamed of. Rather, he said, the aim should be to help priests who are struggling and support them in living out their vows.

Turkson also was asked about the Catholic Church's position on the use of condoms as a way to fight HIV, which has ravaged the continent. The Vatican opposes condoms, as well as any form of artificial birth control. Critics say the church's position has only worsened the HIV problem.

Turkson didn't rule out condoms outright, suggesting they could be useful in a situation of a married, faithful couple where one partner is infected.

But he said the quality of condoms in Africa is poor, and can engender false confidence. He said abstinence and fidelity were the key to fighting the epidemic, along with refraining from sex if infected.

He also said the money being spent on condoms would be better spent providing anti-retroviral drugs to those already infected.

"Let's talk clearly," he said. "We're talking about a product of a factory, and there are different qualities. There are condoms that arrive in Ghana which in the heat will burst during sex. And when that is the case, then it gives a false sense of security which rather facilitates the spread of HIV/AIDs. And when that is the case, we are reluctant - even in the case of conjugal relations of people who are faithful," to suggest condom use as a way of preventing AIDS.




St. Malachy Predicted there would be 212 popes. We are on 211. He said the last pope would be called Peter the Roman. (CORRECTION MADE) This man's name is Peter.

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Can we vote Obama for pope? 5a
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It looks the end times is near. The Messiah shall appear. The question is, are you ready?
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You mean Barry Hussein Soetoro could be the next Pope?

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Top Africa cardinal: next pope could well be black
From Associated Press
October 05, 2009 11:49 AM EDT

VATICAN CITY - A prominent African cardinal said Monday there was no reason why the next pope couldn't be black, particularly following the election of President Barack Obama.

Cardinal Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson of Ghana is playing an important role in guiding a three-week meeting at the Vatican on the challenges of the Catholic Church in Africa.

At a news conference Monday, Turkson was asked whether he thought the time was right for a black pope, especially in light of Obama's election.

"Why not?" Turkson replied. He argued that every man who agrees to be ordained a priest has to be willing to be a pope, and is given training along the way as bishop and cardinal. "All of that is part of the package."

He also noted that former U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan was from Ghana.

"He had problems, but he still did it," Turkson said. "And now it is Obama of the United States. And if by divine providence - because the church belongs to God - if God would wish to see a black man also as pope, thanks be to God!"

Speculation about the possibility of a pope from the developing world has swirled for years, as that is where the Catholic Church is growing most: In Africa, between 1978 and 2007, the number of Catholics grew from 55 million to 146 million. By contrast, Catholic communities in Europe are in decline.

In 1978, the Polish-born Pope John Paul II became the first non-Italian pope in 455 years. Cardinals followed in 2005 by electing German-born Pope Benedict XVI.

Whether the European-heavy College of Cardinals will look outside Europe for Benedict's successor is an open question. Benedict enjoys good health at 82, and there are no signs the job will become open soon.

But Turkson may well be in the running when the time comes. The 60-year-old archbishop of Cape Coast, Ghana, was appointed by Benedict to be the relator, or key discussion leader, of the synod on Africa.

It's a high-profile position - important for letting cardinals get to know prelates from regions other than their own.

During the press conference Monday, he was deft in handling delicate questions about the church in Africa, including one about priests who stray from their vows of celibacy and live openly with women.

"I might say I knew that question would come up," he quipped.

He said the matter was not something to hide or be ashamed of. Rather, he said, the aim should be to help priests who are struggling and support them in living out their vows.

Turkson also was asked about the Catholic Church's position on the use of condoms as a way to fight HIV, which has ravaged the continent. The Vatican opposes condoms, as well as any form of artificial birth control. Critics say the church's position has only worsened the HIV problem.

Turkson didn't rule out condoms outright, suggesting they could be useful in a situation of a married, faithful couple where one partner is infected.

But he said the quality of condoms in Africa is poor, and can engender false confidence. He said abstinence and fidelity were the key to fighting the epidemic, along with refraining from sex if infected.

He also said the money being spent on condoms would be better spent providing anti-retroviral drugs to those already infected.

"Let's talk clearly," he said. "We're talking about a product of a factory, and there are different qualities. There are condoms that arrive in Ghana which in the heat will burst during sex. And when that is the case, then it gives a false sense of security which rather facilitates the spread of HIV/AIDs. And when that is the case, we are reluctant - even in the case of conjugal relations of people who are faithful," to suggest condom use as a way of preventing AIDS.




St. Malachy Predicted there would be 212 popes. We are on 211. He said the last pope would be called Peter the Jew. This man's name is Peter.
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PETER THE ROMAN.
Not peter the Jew.
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"Malachy’s names taken from Appendix A: The Complete Prophesy of St. Malachy

Concluding paragraph of Appendix A:

In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there shall reign Peter the Roman who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the terrible judge will judge the people."
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PETER THE ROMAN.
Not peter the Jew.
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For some reason I did a quick search to double check that name and it came-up Peter the Jew. However, the other sites do say Peter the Roman, either way a prospective pope named Peter falls in line with the prophecy.
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bump for corrections and thanks to AC poster for providing a correct link to St. Malachy prophecy.
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Petrus Romanus
The longest and final motto reads:

In the original Latin:
"In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit.
Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus:
quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur,
et Iudex tremendus iudicabit populum suum.
Finis."

This is usually translated into English as:
"During the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, the seat will be occupied by
Peter the Roman, who will feed his sheep in many tribulations:
and when these things are finished, the seven-hilled city will be destroyed,
and the formidable Judge will judge his people.
The End."

However, in the 1595 Lignum Vitae, the line In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit. forms a separate sentence and paragraph of its own, and it is unclear whether it is grammatically related to gloria olivae which precedes, or Petrus Romanus which follows.

Several anti-popes claiming to be Pope Peter II have emerged in recent years, possibly inspired by this motto.

Not everyone who takes the prophecy seriously believes that Petrus Romanus will be the last pope ever, or that he will be called Peter II. Ronald L. Conte Jr., who in 2002 correctly predicted that the pope immediately after John Paul II would be called Benedict XVI but incorrectly predicted that he would be black,[67] believes that Cardinal Francis Arinze will take the name of Pius XIII after the death of Pope Benedict XVI, and that the description "Peter the Roman” means that the "Pope will reaffirm the authority of the Roman Pontiff over the Church; this authority is based on his place as a Successor of Peter" and "will emphasize the supremacy of the Roman Catholic Faith and the Roman Catholic Church above all other religions and denominations, and its authority over all Christians and all peoples of the world," and also will be “the last Pope for about a generation (until the 2040's) to rule from Rome."[68] In Conte’s opinion, St. Malachy’s list ends with Petrus Romanus because his reign will coincide with the beginning of the first part of the Tribulation.
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The above is from WIKI.
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Or his list ends because Rome is destroyed.
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Top Africa cardinal: next pope could well be black
From Associated Press
October 05, 2009 11:49 AM EDT

VATICAN CITY - A prominent African cardinal said Monday there was no reason why the next pope couldn't be black, particularly following the election of President Barack Obama.

Cardinal Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson of Ghana is playing an important role in guiding a three-week meeting at the Vatican on the challenges of the Catholic Church in Africa.

At a news conference Monday, Turkson was asked whether he thought the time was right for a black pope, especially in light of Obama's election.

"Why not?" Turkson replied. He argued that every man who agrees to be ordained a priest has to be willing to be a pope, and is given training along the way as bishop and cardinal. "All of that is part of the package."

He also noted that former U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan was from Ghana.

"He had problems, but he still did it," Turkson said. "And now it is Obama of the United States. And if by divine providence - because the church belongs to God - if God would wish to see a black man also as pope, thanks be to God!"

Speculation about the possibility of a pope from the developing world has swirled for years, as that is where the Catholic Church is growing most: In Africa, between 1978 and 2007, the number of Catholics grew from 55 million to 146 million. By contrast, Catholic communities in Europe are in decline.

In 1978, the Polish-born Pope John Paul II became the first non-Italian pope in 455 years. Cardinals followed in 2005 by electing German-born Pope Benedict XVI.

Whether the European-heavy College of Cardinals will look outside Europe for Benedict's successor is an open question. Benedict enjoys good health at 82, and there are no signs the job will become open soon.

But Turkson may well be in the running when the time comes. The 60-year-old archbishop of Cape Coast, Ghana, was appointed by Benedict to be the relator, or key discussion leader, of the synod on Africa.

It's a high-profile position - important for letting cardinals get to know prelates from regions other than their own.

During the press conference Monday, he was deft in handling delicate questions about the church in Africa, including one about priests who stray from their vows of celibacy and live openly with women.

"I might say I knew that question would come up," he quipped.

He said the matter was not something to hide or be ashamed of. Rather, he said, the aim should be to help priests who are struggling and support them in living out their vows.

Turkson also was asked about the Catholic Church's position on the use of condoms as a way to fight HIV, which has ravaged the continent. The Vatican opposes condoms, as well as any form of artificial birth control. Critics say the church's position has only worsened the HIV problem.

Turkson didn't rule out condoms outright, suggesting they could be useful in a situation of a married, faithful couple where one partner is infected.

But he said the quality of condoms in Africa is poor, and can engender false confidence. He said abstinence and fidelity were the key to fighting the epidemic, along with refraining from sex if infected.

He also said the money being spent on condoms would be better spent providing anti-retroviral drugs to those already infected.

"Let's talk clearly," he said. "We're talking about a product of a factory, and there are different qualities. There are condoms that arrive in Ghana which in the heat will burst during sex. And when that is the case, then it gives a false sense of security which rather facilitates the spread of HIV/AIDs. And when that is the case, we are reluctant - even in the case of conjugal relations of people who are faithful," to suggest condom use as a way of preventing AIDS.




St. Malachy Predicted there would be 212 popes. We are on 211. He said the last pope would be called Peter the Roman. (CORRECTION MADE) This man's name is Peter.
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I understand the Peter part, but where does ROMAN come in in the case of this possible AFRICAN pope???
Curioser and curioser... wtf
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I understand the Peter part, but where does ROMAN come in in the case of this possible AFRICAN pope???
Curioser and curioser... wtf
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Most prophecies aren't understood until after the fact. However, we are fortunate enough to have a name for this last pope. Time will only tell what the Roman part will mean.
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266th pope? hiding
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Or Jesus comes back. 5a
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I understand the Peter part, but where does ROMAN come in in the case of this possible AFRICAN pope???
Curioser and curioser... wtf



Most prophecies aren't understood until after the fact. However, we are fortunate enough to have a name for this last pope. Time will only tell what the Roman part will mean.
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I guess so.
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During the press conference Monday, he was deft in handling delicate questions about the church in Africa, including one about priests who stray from their vows of celibacy and live openly with women.

"I might say I knew that question would come up," he quipped.
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Wow! Deftly handled!

That is a fucking hilarious quip, must be why Christians are known to be such funny clowns
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Wasn`t there a prophecy that the 111th Pope will be the last one, I believe this to be true in relation to 2012.
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Cool!!A black pope would be awesome. Then maybe we can see the Pope Mobile on Pimp My Ride.
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Cool!!A black pope would be awesome. Then maybe we can see the Pope Mobile on Pimp My Ride.
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U R Goondicks:

As far as I know that show has been cancelled.

Good show, actually---but they "lost" me after they put a Coffee-making machine near the Front Seat of one car.
Very smart---boiling hot cofee as you make a WIDE TURN!!!
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Cool!!A black pope would be awesome. Then maybe we can see the Pope Mobile on Pimp My Ride.


U R Goondicks:

As far as I know that show has been cancelled.

Good show, actually---but they "lost" me after they put a Coffee-making machine near the Front Seat of one car.
Very smart---boiling hot cofee as you make a WIDE TURN!!!
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As far as a black pope, no worse than a black American president (neither one is in my chain of command). And as far as Pimp My Ride, all they ever did was take a P.O.S. vehicle and turn it into a garish P.O.S. vehicle. Overhaulin' was a superior show--they did frame-off restoration of cars that were actually worth money before the restoration and turned them into works of art.
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Cool!!A black pope would be awesome. Then maybe we can see the Pope Mobile on Pimp My Ride.


U R Goondicks:

As far as I know that show has been cancelled.

Good show, actually---but they "lost" me after they put a Coffee-making machine near the Front Seat of one car.
Very smart---boiling hot cofee as you make a WIDE TURN!!!


As far as a black pope, no worse than a black American president (neither one is in my chain of command). And as far as Pimp My Ride, all they ever did was take a P.O.S. vehicle and turn it into a garish P.O.S. vehicle. Overhaulin' was a superior show--they did frame-off restoration of cars that were actually worth money before the restoration and turned them into works of art.
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Overhaulin' was OK. Just that.

John Hogue says Benedict will last 7 yrs. AT THE MOST.

He was meant to be a transitional Pope---nothing else.

After that, Peter comes.

From 2005-2012: 7 years. Coincidence??? wowey
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Could the Black Pope Look like a PimpPope.
Ya Know.
Pimp Hat
Pimp Cane
Pimp Cup
Blinged out Bible
Half naked ho's standing around
shaking their butts.
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Could the Black Pope Look like a PimpPope.
Ya Know.
Pimp Hat
Pimp Cane
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shaking their butts.
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Sheeit! Homes, ahma transubstantiate yo' ASS! Yo!
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Cool!!A black pope would be awesome. Then maybe we can see the Pope Mobile on Pimp My Ride.


U R Goondicks:

As far as I know that show has been cancelled.

Good show, actually---but they "lost" me after they put a Coffee-making machine near the Front Seat of one car.
Very smart---boiling hot cofee as you make a WIDE TURN!!!


As far as a black pope, no worse than a black American president (neither one is in my chain of command). And as far as Pimp My Ride, all they ever did was take a P.O.S. vehicle and turn it into a garish P.O.S. vehicle. Overhaulin' was a superior show--they did frame-off restoration of cars that were actually worth money before the restoration and turned them into works of art.


Overhaulin' was OK. Just that.

John Hogue says Benedict will last 7 yrs. AT THE MOST.

He was meant to be a transitional Pope---nothing else.

After that, Peter comes.

From 2005-2012: 7 years. Coincidence??? wowey
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Hogue lost the plot years ago.
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Cardinal / Brazil
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Keep an eye out that way next spring

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Cool!!A black pope would be awesome. Then maybe we can see the Pope Mobile on Pimp My Ride.


U R Goondicks:

As far as I know that show has been cancelled.

Good show, actually---but they "lost" me after they put a Coffee-making machine near the Front Seat of one car.
Very smart---boiling hot cofee as you make a WIDE TURN!!!


As far as a black pope, no worse than a black American president (neither one is in my chain of command). And as far as Pimp My Ride, all they ever did was take a P.O.S. vehicle and turn it into a garish P.O.S. vehicle. Overhaulin' was a superior show--they did frame-off restoration of cars that were actually worth money before the restoration and turned them into works of art.


Overhaulin' was OK. Just that.

John Hogue says Benedict will last 7 yrs. AT THE MOST.

He was meant to be a transitional Pope---nothing else.

After that, Peter comes.

From 2005-2012: 7 years. Coincidence??? wowey


Hogue lost the plot years ago.
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Maybe, maybe not. He knows more about prophecy than you or I, I'll bet.
Maybe Victor Baines??? :5:
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John Hogue says Benedict will last 7 yrs. AT THE MOST.

He was meant to be a transitional Pope---nothing else.

After that, Peter comes.

From 2005-2012: 7 years. Coincidence??? wowey


Hogue lost the plot years ago.
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new pope will be elected late '10/early '11
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