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Scientists reproduce 'fake' Shroud of Turin to prove cloth is man-made

 
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Scientists reproduce 'fake' Shroud of Turin to prove cloth is man-made
The Shroud of Turin - revered as the cloth that covered Jesus in the tomb – is a man-made relic, according to scientists who reproduced a copy of the famous fabric.

Italian chemist Luigi Garlaschelli said his experiment proves that earlier carbon dating of the shroud to the 14th century was correct.

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There are two icons at the left and right of Christ. Looks a bit weird in the first picture.
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Re: Scientists reproduce 'fake' Shroud of Turin to prove cloth is man-made
who cares about a shroud...if you have to see physically that Yahshua is the Ma'shiac prophesied by the prophets...

then you will not believe....

only the word can lead you to belief....
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And now, since it's recently been released that DNA evidence can be faked, all DNA is false?

Simply because someone has figured out how to falsify something is no proof that thing WAS falsified, though it does give us the POSSIBILITY.

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Re: Scientists reproduce 'fake' Shroud of Turin to prove cloth is man-made
chuckle No the shroud isnt just a bunch of stains forming an image as some would conveniently like you to believe, Read.

.Lets start from the beginning.The carbin dating test was done on a fragment of burned cloth and was later admitted that this could probably have altered the result

2.The sudarium of Oviedo is clearly dated back to the year 1AD. Ths sudarium is allegedly the cloth that covered Jesus face in burial, now there are some interesting aspects:

a== the stains are from blood AB type SAME AS TURIN SHROUD

b==The marks of the stains of blood, when the shroud and sudarium are superimposed one upon the other coincide aprox. 100 per cent. THIS WOULD INDICATE THAT BOTH COVERED A DECEASED FACE OF SOMEONE THAT DIED EITHER BEFORE OR DURING THE FIRST CENTURY AD

3.The Shroud gives detailed forensic evidence which coincides with torture and crucifixion of Jesus to the smallest details. It shows a man whipped by flagrum, roman whip with metal end which tares skin and muscle up, the cadaver has aprox. 100 lashes performed, as the marks indicate, by two men, one taller than the other and one situated in front of victim, one behind

The body appears to have been wearing a crown of thorns that tore up some of the scapl causing immense pain.
The man crucified was crucified the roman way with nails through wrists and through kneel of feet, only one nail through both superimposed feet turned sideways. Not as in paintings.
There appears also to be a spear wound to the side of the body performed by a sharp object delivered from below, i.e. the person inflicting the blow was below the body as would be in the case of the crucifiction.
the blood from the wound to the side INDICATES THE MAN WAS DEAD AT THE TIME OF THE BLOW. The blood from other wounds indicate he was alive.

The man appears to be tall athletic with bruises to both shoulders that would indicate he was carrying a very heavy object, like a cross beam.
The body also shows damage to knees as if he had fallen and bruise to right cheek and possible breakage of nose cartilage as from a heavy blow.
The man of the shroud was xcarrying hair in pony tail fsashion typical of palestine around 1 AD and a forked beard.

THe above IS SHATTERING and overwhelming EVIDENCE IMO

4.But there is more
There are coins which have appeared thanks to NASA technology, these coins appear on both eyes and are dated at the time of Pontius Pilate.

5. The cloth is of a particular form of weaving that only appears in palestine around 1st century, there is only one other known cloth of similar weave from Masada dated around 1st century AD.

6.There is polen found on the cloth, polen of palestine and also of areas such as Contantinople. Interestingly some of the polen of the plants that appertain to palestine are dated around 1 century AD

7. The image is formed by some unknown method whereby ONLY THE VERY FIRST FIBERS OF THE CLOTH ARE MARKED , SCORCHTED BY AN ENERGY BLAST IT WOULD SEEM, remember only the very first fibers, still unmatched it would seem.

8.THE SCIENTISTS ALSO HAVE DETERMINED THAT THE BODY APPARENTLY WAS FLOATING WHEN THE 3D IMAGE WAS PERFECTLY FORMED AND NOT IN CONTACT WITH THE BURIAL CLOTH.

9.THE EXACT TRACES OF BLOOD THAT COINCIDE WITH THE SUDARIUM THAT IS EXACTLY DATED BACK TO THE FIRST CENTURY AD DATES IT.


10. BEFORE RECENT MEDICAL ADVANCES THERE WAS NO WAY THAT ANYONE COULD DETERMINE IF THE BLOOD WAS OF CADAVER AS IN SPEAR WOUND OR IN LIVE BODY AS IN OTHER WOUNDS , OR IF THE BLOOD WAS AB OR OTHERWISE,OR INDEED IF IT WAS BLOOD.

11. JESUS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF WHAT HE TAUGHT NOT BECAUSE OF WHERE HE WAS BORN OR TO WHOM OR WHEN HE WAS BORN OR WETHER THE TURIN CLOTH IS AUTHENTIC OR NOT

BUT... HAVING SAID THAT ... THE EVIDENCE IS IMO OVERWHELMING
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Shroud-tards = owned.
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chuckle No the shroud isnt just a bunch of stains forming an image as some would conveniently like you to believe, Read.

.Lets start from the beginning.The carbin dating test was done on a fragment of burned cloth and was later admitted that this could probably have altered the result

2.The sudarium of Oviedo is clearly dated back to the year 1AD. Ths sudarium is allegedly the cloth that covered Jesus face in burial, now there are some interesting aspects:

a== the stains are from blood AB type SAME AS TURIN SHROUD

b==The marks of the stains of blood, when the shroud and sudarium are superimposed one upon the other coincide aprox. 100 per cent. THIS WOULD INDICATE THAT BOTH COVERED A DECEASED FACE OF SOMEONE THAT DIED EITHER BEFORE OR DURING THE FIRST CENTURY AD

3.The Shroud gives detailed forensic evidence which coincides with torture and crucifixion of Jesus to the smallest details. It shows a man whipped by flagrum, roman whip with metal end which tares skin and muscle up, the cadaver has aprox. 100 lashes performed, as the marks indicate, by two men, one taller than the other and one situated in front of victim, one behind

The body appears to have been wearing a crown of thorns that tore up some of the scapl causing immense pain.
The man crucified was crucified the roman way with nails through wrists and through kneel of feet, only one nail through both superimposed feet turned sideways. Not as in paintings.
There appears also to be a spear wound to the side of the body performed by a sharp object delivered from below, i.e. the person inflicting the blow was below the body as would be in the case of the crucifiction.
the blood from the wound to the side INDICATES THE MAN WAS DEAD AT THE TIME OF THE BLOW. The blood from other wounds indicate he was alive.

The man appears to be tall athletic with bruises to both shoulders that would indicate he was carrying a very heavy object, like a cross beam.
The body also shows damage to knees as if he had fallen and bruise to right cheek and possible breakage of nose cartilage as from a heavy blow.
The man of the shroud was xcarrying hair in pony tail fsashion typical of palestine around 1 AD and a forked beard.

THe above IS SHATTERING and overwhelming EVIDENCE IMO

4.But there is more
There are coins which have appeared thanks to NASA technology, these coins appear on both eyes and are dated at the time of Pontius Pilate.

5. The cloth is of a particular form of weaving that only appears in palestine around 1st century, there is only one other known cloth of similar weave from Masada dated around 1st century AD.

6.There is polen found on the cloth, polen of palestine and also of areas such as Contantinople. Interestingly some of the polen of the plants that appertain to palestine are dated around 1 century AD

7. The image is formed by some unknown method whereby ONLY THE VERY FIRST FIBERS OF THE CLOTH ARE MARKED , SCORCHTED BY AN ENERGY BLAST IT WOULD SEEM, remember only the very first fibers, still unmatched it would seem.

8.THE SCIENTISTS ALSO HAVE DETERMINED THAT THE BODY APPARENTLY WAS FLOATING WHEN THE 3D IMAGE WAS PERFECTLY FORMED AND NOT IN CONTACT WITH THE BURIAL CLOTH.

9.THE EXACT TRACES OF BLOOD THAT COINCIDE WITH THE SUDARIUM THAT IS EXACTLY DATED BACK TO THE FIRST CENTURY AD DATES IT.


10. BEFORE RECENT MEDICAL ADVANCES THERE WAS NO WAY THAT ANYONE COULD DETERMINE IF THE BLOOD WAS OF CADAVER AS IN SPEAR WOUND OR IN LIVE BODY AS IN OTHER WOUNDS , OR IF THE BLOOD WAS AB OR OTHERWISE,OR INDEED IF IT WAS BLOOD.

11. JESUS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF WHAT HE TAUGHT NOT BECAUSE OF WHERE HE WAS BORN OR TO WHOM OR WHEN HE WAS BORN OR WETHER THE TURIN CLOTH IS AUTHENTIC OR NOT

BUT... HAVING SAID THAT ... THE EVIDENCE IS IMO OVERWHELMING
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COMPLETE AND UTTER FABRICATION

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Confuses me why people get all bent out of shape over a dirty old rag.
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if only these highly paid twats would put as much effort into destroying the 9/11 myth, or the Kennedy single assassination myth, or any number of other crooked Gov lies, but no, they distract us by debunking something someone did centuries ago.

nice.

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