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"THE SILENCE OF MARCEL DUCHAMP IS OVERRATED"

 
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From Marcel Raval ("[...] a severe oeuvre, befriended with silence: that of Marcel Duchamp," Les Feuilles libres, Paris, 36, March-June 1924) to Joseph Beuys ("Das Schweigen von Marcel Duchamp wird überbewertet" ["The silence of Marcel Duchamp is overrated."], Dusseldorf, 11 December 1964, passing by Andrew Forge ("The Silence of Marcel Duchamp ," The Listener, London, 5 November 1959) and Georges Charbonnier ("Yet , it is the silence of a painter that we wish to evoke during this series of broadcasts: Marcel Duchamp´s silence [...] Was Marcel Duchamp indicating an absolute disagreement when he stopped painting? With what? These questions will always be present in our minds behind the others we ask...") – from all this, it is very clear.

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Q> Marcel Duchamp, perhaps the greatest avant-garde artist of the last century stoppend working as an artist in 1912. This fact had an enormous influence on modern art. On 11 November 1964 Joseph Beuys actually dedicated a complete art-action called “The silence of Marcel Duchamp is overrated” to this refuse to work.
How do you explain this enormous effect Duchamp´s ´not-work´ had? And what do you think about it?

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ANCIENT MARINER (OP)

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Joseph Beuys finished art school and became a teacher with many adoring students. He always wore the same felt fedora and a fisherman´s vest with pockets full of magical knickknacks like batteries, tape, and paper clips; it replaced the leather helmet and nylon flight suit as his personal uniform. Add to this his haunted, deep-set blue eyes and his sensitive, bee-stung lips, and maybe you can see why this charismatic visionary became an icon all over Europe. His photo-documented performances were legendary, like wrapping himself up in fat and felt and starving himself in a garret for a week with a hungry wolf, or lashing himself to a chair in an empty jail cell and telling stories to a dead hare on his lap -- that kind of thing.

But re-enacting his own personal deliverance in solitary confinement was not enough. Propounding ideas for a ``social art,´´ he became a pied piper, leading thousands of young Germans in human chains that left in their wake long strings of shopping carts, transplanted trees, vending machines, even heavy boulders. These ``markings´´ stretched through entire towns, blocking traffic and cutting across soccer fields. Here was a new kind of artist: part shaman, part Ishmael, heretic and inquisitor both, sometimes a scapegoat, always a trickster. At the height of his artistic apotheosis, Beuys scribbled this pithy remark on a chalkboard that nobody dared erase: ``The silence of Marcel Duchamp is overrated.´´


On the Interpretation of Silences
by Sprax

From its onset, the war had eclipsed the professional chess tournaments formerly conducted in the palatial hotels of Paris, Cologne, Prague, etc. Nonplused, Marcel Duchamp rolled up his leather chessboard, packed his pieces, and set sail for New York. It had been a quarter century since his famous nude descended the staircase, and a decade since he quit making his ``ready-mades´´ -- found objects like the bicycle wheel he mounted upside down on milking stool, or the urinal he inverted on men´s room wall -- yet he had remained in the limelight of Parisian gossip. He had told the press that his new art was playing games, not fetishizing objects. He also said, ``I consider working for a living slightly imbecilic from an economic point of view.´´ Now he took his inherited wealth (supplemented over the years by rich patrons of the arts) and disappeared into a lower Manhattan loft. Sometimes he entertained guests in his wife´s flat uptown, but he never invited anyone to his studio. He entered what the critics would call his ``silent period.´´

In 1968, several years after Beuys chalked that famous classroom graffito, Duchamp died, never having broken the veil of silence that shrouded his downtown studio. Apocryphal stories say that dealers finally entered and found nothing of any value. As if to mock their search, there was a pair of heavy wooden doors set into the outside wall, six stories up. Then somebody peeped through the keyhole. There, on the other side of those locked doors, sitting in timeless repose, was a naked woman! Executed in startling trompe l´oeil and perfect renaissance perspective, this painting/assemblage was Duchamp´s first nude since those cubo-futuristic staircase descenders of 1912, and he had secretly been working on it since 1946. In fact, he had already made arrangements for the whole thing, which he called Etant donnés, to be placed directly into the Philadelphia Museum of Art, doors, wall, and all. Some cried ``Travesty!´´ while others hailed it as the dialectical antithesis to his Large Glass, also known as The Bride Stripped Bare by Her Bachelors, Even. Either way, it was a strange denouement to a career many critics and younger artists -- including Beuys -- had seen as a life-long attack against art as object.

``Etymologically speaking,´´ Duchamp liked to say, ``art is making.´´

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Fluxus Gruppe (Fluxus Group), «Fluxus Group», 1964 Courtesy: Staatsgalerie Stuttgart, Archive Sohm, Stuttgart | © Fluxus Gruppe (Fluxus Group)


On 11 December 1964, ZDF television broadcast from its Düsseldorf studio a live programme with Joseph Beuys, Bazon Brock and Wolf Vostell. Regrettably, like many live broadcasts of the time, it was not recorded. The three artists carried out simultaneous actions in the TV studio: Brock read an action text, Vostell staged a dé-collage happening in which a TV set was also deployed, and Beuys performed the action titled ´Das Schweigen von Marcel Duchamp wird überbewertet´ (´The Silence of Marcel Duchamp is Overrated´).

Shown under the title ´Fluxus Group´ in the arts programme ´Die Drehscheibe´, the segment was a first step towards a collaboration between artists and TV in Germany, even if it is safe to presume that the visual aesthetics were essentially determined by the director and camera crew.

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Good thread! Please forgive my indulgence, but I´ve been giggling at the thought of "Marcel Marceau´s silence is overrated."
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"Marcel Marceau´s silence is overrated."

Very funny, ac
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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Can Silence itself ever be a Statement?
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What are you doing here?
What do you want?
Is it music?
We can play music.
But you want more.
You want something & someone new.
Am I right?
Of course I am.
You want ecstasy
Desire & dreams.
Things not exactly what they seem.
I lead you this way, he pulls that way.
I´m not singing to an imaginary girl.
I´m talking to you, my self.
Let´s recreate the world.
The palace of conception is burning.

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The grand highway
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so
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please
&
forget.

Wilderness.

Jim Morrison
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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"the sloshedness of black friar is overrated"

even with a mighty ocean of guinness under his black friar´s frock, he can still donnybrook with the best of them

it´s still st. paddy´s day, shouldn´t you be clearing the deck with your meaty ham-like fists in some brooklyn wee drop pub
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Hey necra --

How y´ been?

Where y´ been?

(Pls. answer just one of the above -- I haven´t got all night.)
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necramericanomicon,

BF has a funny way of putting it - but what´s he´s trying to say is he missed you too.
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Mariner --

Yea -- isn´t that what I said?
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12/08/2005 10:15 AM
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am a bit under the weather, or would be lifting a "mother of all bottles" guiness to your black padre-ness

and how has your governorship been keeping
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apologies, "guinness"
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necra --

A few years ago, the wife currated a show: A Tribute to Marcel Duchamp. It toured Europe (she didn´t)... she recently won a Pollack-Krassner Grant.

Sorry to hear y´r not feeling well...


Cheers.
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now if black fryer (burnt chickenshit) would just shut the fuck up.
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Thanks for the bump, chump.
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no problem. it is easy to shine the light (illuminate..hahaa) chickenshits.
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We do performance art too. But we no silent, Joses. We loud, super-sonic and fast. Maybe we crack can up your butt.
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Mr. Fryer. Are you dying?
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Bump.
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Duchamp was one of my favourite artists from that time. He was brilliant. He produced works in many different media including film. He never had to worry about money because I believe he came from a fairly well to do family that supported him. You didn´t have to have much money in those days anyway. You could live cheap. There were also patrons of the arts. It would have been very exciting to live in those days and hob nob with the likes of Picasso, Dali and Man Ray. His works show a sense of humor and a contempt for the society of the time, a society that went through a world war. He may have stopped painting but never stopped being creative.
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2147 well put.
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wasn´t duchamp the founder of dadaism, the supposed post wwI anti-war art movement

hate to be a schmuck, but is that jackson pollack

wasn´t he said to be funded by the cia, which spent millions on abstract art as a bulwark against commie realpolitik art

anyways, congrats to the black friaress on the grant
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Bump
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bumpy
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Good Joseph Beuys site with mucho linx:

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necramericanomicon, best wishes for a speedy recovery and all. I do remember back in the late sixtes early seventies hearing about artists being used by TPTB for mind control. Back then that made about as much sense to me as miost anything else, no sense at all. Past while now off and on been feeling that way again. anyhow I bet you are familiar with
"Mind Control in the Field of Art"?
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Wes Penre goes way way too far, even impugning my hero Bob Dylan, but on another level its a fun read. The site even has Dylan´s symbol, "which is no less than The All-Seeing Eye of Horus, which is the main Illuminati symbol, also present on the back of the One Dollar bill ..."
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