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ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 784316
10/7/2009 9:26 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
Nothing to be surprised about. It's just the Moon retaliating. |
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ohyeh?
User ID: 284620
10/7/2009 9:26 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
hey dough head..they were not in the Philippines..  |
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Ice
User ID: 729060
10/7/2009 9:30 PM
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The Forces Underground
These examinations, as well as studies of present-day eruptions, have helped geologists develop theories about the forces that cause massive eruptions. The eruptions probably begin in the same way that smaller ones do—with currents of heat rising from especially hot points far below Earth's surface. These hot points are thought to exist along the boundary between Earth's inner core and the mantle (the middle layer, sandwiched between the core and the outer crust).
As a current of heat rises slowly through the mantle over periods lasting millions of years, some of the mantle rock melts. The molten rock, called magma, contains dissolved gases, which make it lighter than the solid rock surrounding it. Being lighter, the magma worksits way upward. It continues until it reaches the base of Earth's crust, which varies from about 8 to 80 kilometers (5 to 50 miles) below the surface. Crustal rock is less dense than the magma, so the crust often acts like a ceiling, blocking the magma's path and causing it to poolat the top of the mantle.
The magma may remain trapped under the crust for a very long time. As fresh magma wells up from below, the pool gradually becomes larger. The reservoir eventually becomes so huge and so hot that the lower crust begins to melt. Because molten crustal rock is buoyant, it begins moving upward, through the crust. The magma eventually rises toward the surface, where it is stopped by upper crustal rocks. Barred from further upward movement, the magma collects in a pool called a magma chamber.
Massive eruptions owe their size to the enormity of their magma chambers, a fact scientists learned by “measuring” the chambers below various volcanoes. To do that, geophysicists monitored seismic waves (vibrations from earthquakes). The vibrations are affected differently by passing through molten rock compared with solid rock. By monitoring the seismic waves that pass through the region below a volcano, scientists can map out the contours of the volcano's magma chamber. In the 1960's and 1970's, for example, seismic studies of the huge volcano in Yellowstone National Park revealed that its magma chamber was about 100 kilometers (60 miles) across. A chamber that size could hold about 80,000 cubic kilometers (20,000 cubic miles) of magma.
You have until 2016 to get your Act together! Be Wise! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 462535
10/7/2009 9:31 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
Your date calculation erroneously assumes 2 things:
1, that the 'barrier' matter traveled through between the first and second quakes will be consistent with what is above the second quake and the surface, thus a consistent rate of travel. Highly unlikely, near impossible.
2, two events does not make a pattern.
But good doom you're working on there. Watch for quake number 3 and its timing.
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Luminous 
~Waiting~
User ID: 296954
10/7/2009 9:32 PM
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That is tremulously close to (9)11-11-2009(11)...
Love you analytical, doomalicious mind there, OP :)
Last Edited by Luminous on 10/7/2009 at 9:32 PM
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Ice
User ID: 729060
10/7/2009 9:33 PM
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An Explosion That Shakes the Earth
What would it be like to live through a massive eruption? Historical records of the Tambora eruption, as well as evidence gathered from present-day smaller volcanic blasts, have helped geologists understand how the catastrophe would unfold. For an explosive eruption, the first signs of disaster would be an intense swarm of earthquakes. Then there would be a tremendous rush of gas out of the vent. The gas, dense with rock particles and propelled by the force of the explosion, travels so fast that it creates a sonic boom. The highly destructive blast levels almost everything in its path, flattening trees and wiping bare most of the landscape for perhaps 1,500 to 2,000 square kilometers (600 to 800 square miles) around the vent.
Fragments of lava, ash, and other debris explode from the vent at the same instant. Rocks fly out to distances of more than 5 kilometers (3 miles). Fast-moving clouds of steam, gas, and rock particles burst horizontally from the vent. Most of the debris, however, is propelled straight up into the sky in a gigantic column. This spectacular formation of hot, buoyant debris is called a Plinian column after the Roman scholar Pliny the Elder, who died when Mount Vesuvius erupted in A.D. 79.
You have until 2016 to get your Act together! Be Wise! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 788602
10/7/2009 9:37 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
Delicious doom, I'm practically drooling. Quoting: Mister Obvious
lol. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 788915
10/7/2009 9:46 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
I really hope i am wrong cause it could create a disaster that would be written about for thousands of years.
ALL the shorelines would be flattened tens and some hundreds of miles inland.
The world map would have to be redrawn.
The Sun would be dimmed for many years causing crop failures and a mini ice age for at least a decade.
World militaries would panic.
Neighborhoods would fall apart.
Massive death would ensue.
The area of devastation would be soo great that insects would breed at an alarming, biblical proportion. One could say beetles would fill the skies and blacken the sun. Quoting: ºCRAPº
"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be and except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."
Matthew 24 |
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oxygen
User ID: 300487
10/7/2009 9:53 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
Dear op,
I think your calculations of a larger event around mid-november are wrong.
Assuming that deep EQs are magma displacement (sounds reasonable) you cannot project to the future using the same time intervals. Magma when displaced produces energy and the EQs measurements are actually energy calculations. However there is not a uniform displacement. Obviously rising magma will face different geology on its way up.
Most likely we will see EQ happening faster and faster so IF your scenario is true, the "event" has to occur by the end of October. BUT, you don't know if magma has a way to go up or if there is just a "bubble" below a volcano and magma stays there. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 784316
10/7/2009 9:54 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
Wake me up when the H.E.L.E. is here. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 768705
10/7/2009 9:54 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
It will be ok. They are going to fire the thrusters on the
moon and change the tidal pull a lil. Quoting: 3bbb
Planetary scale acupuncture.
Taze ya later babe. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 788915
10/7/2009 9:59 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
IF your scenario is true, the "event" has to occur by the end of October. Quoting: oxygen 300487
You really know how to make a man go moist ;) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 788925
10/7/2009 10:00 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
Magnitude 4.7 - GULF OF CALIFORNIA
2009 October 08 01:38:36 UTC
* Details
* Maps
Earthquake Details
Magnitude 4.7
Date-Time
* Thursday, October 08, 2009 at 01:38:36 UTC
* Wednesday, October 07, 2009 at 06:38:36 PM at epicenter
Location 30.273°N, 113.952°W
Depth 10 km (6.2 miles) set by location program
Region GULF OF CALIFORNIA
Distances
* 119 km (74 miles) SE (132°) from San Felipe, Baja California, Mexico
* 123 km (77 miles) SSW (199°) from Puerto Peñasco, Sonora, Mexico
* 179 km (111 miles) WSW (254°) from Caborca, Sonora, Mexico
* 256 km (159 miles) SSE (162°) from San Luis Río Colorado, Sonora, Mexico
* 384 km (239 miles) SE (130°) from Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 27.2 km (16.9 miles); depth fixed by location program
Parameters NST= 31, Nph= 31, Dmin=377.1 km, Rmss=1.33 sec, Gp=259°, |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 761970
10/7/2009 10:04 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
Magnitude 4.7 - GULF OF CALIFORNIA
2009 October 08 01:38:36 UTC
* Details
* Maps
Earthquake Details
Magnitude 4.7
Date-Time
* Thursday, October 08, 2009 at 01:38:36 UTC
* Wednesday, October 07, 2009 at 06:38:36 PM at epicenter
Location 30.273°N, 113.952°W
Depth 10 km (6.2 miles) set by location program
Region GULF OF CALIFORNIA
Distances
* 119 km (74 miles) SE (132°) from San Felipe, Baja California, Mexico
* 123 km (77 miles) SSW (199°) from Puerto Peñasco, Sonora, Mexico
* 179 km (111 miles) WSW (254°) from Caborca, Sonora, Mexico
* 256 km (159 miles) SSE (162°) from San Luis Río Colorado, Sonora, Mexico
* 384 km (239 miles) SE (130°) from Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico
Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 27.2 km (16.9 miles); depth fixed by location program
Parameters NST= 31, Nph= 31, Dmin=377.1 km, Rmss=1.33 sec, Gp=259°, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 788925
What's the point of this? Earthquakes of that size are very common. |
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Aquarius 7
User ID: 736450
10/7/2009 10:05 PM
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Very Very interesting development. But dont you think they the ptb would have said that there is somthing brewing down below like a super volcano...........Yea right they would'nt say shit! Quoting: just waiting
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There seems to be a corelation between the actual importance of a matter, and how deep it is hidden from the public.
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“ Put on the whole armor of God … for our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the wickedness of the evil spirits in the heavens. …” ~ from Ephesians 6:11-12 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 728223 (OP)
10/7/2009 10:10 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
Dear op,
I think your calculations of a larger event around mid-november are wrong.
Assuming that deep EQs are magma displacement (sounds reasonable) you cannot project to the future using the same time intervals. Magma when displaced produces energy and the EQs measurements are actually energy calculations. However there is not a uniform displacement. Obviously rising magma will face different geology on its way up.
Most likely we will see EQ happening faster and faster so IF your scenario is true, the "event" has to occur by the end of October. BUT, you don't know if magma has a way to go up or if there is just a "bubble" below a volcano and magma stays there. Quoting: oxygen 300487
You are absolutley right about the timing and I am aware of this. I think I said give or take a few days or even weeks. I'm not sure how the situation would unfold if there is a large pool of magma working upwards at such a depth.
But one thing is sure, the deeper the explosion, the more mass displacement occurs creating a yet bigger tsunami.
I don't have the answers people are seeking. I only provided serious clues to a potential catastrophe in the making.
To the other poster about the location, I know it isn't in the Philippines. I used that as a way for simple people to understand the general location. On a global perspective, it is close enough.
Any geologist will tell you earthquakes that deep don't happen and when the few rare ones do happen, it isn't due to techtonic drift and tension. They are caused by other anomalies like new fault lines being created, magma on the move, ect.
Time will tell. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 702728
10/7/2009 10:10 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
yeah.,. you need more data to make an accurate prediction.. two points,, some what of a coincidence, but this should not cause this kind of alarm.. if one to two more occur with same to stronger intensity and same or similar velocity then you are definetely onto something and something is definetely moving upward.. two points are just not a good set of data... just something to keep your eyes open for.. and if nothing comes about in the next week then Id say move onto the next doom.. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 728223 (OP)
10/7/2009 10:12 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
An Explosion That Shakes the Earth
What would it be like to live through a massive eruption? Historical records of the Tambora eruption, as well as evidence gathered from present-day smaller volcanic blasts, have helped geologists understand how the catastrophe would unfold. For an explosive eruption, the first signs of disaster would be an intense swarm of earthquakes. Then there would be a tremendous rush of gas out of the vent. The gas, dense with rock particles and propelled by the force of the explosion, travels so fast that it creates a sonic boom. The highly destructive blast levels almost everything in its path, flattening trees and wiping bare most of the landscape for perhaps 1,500 to 2,000 square kilometers (600 to 800 square miles) around the vent. Quoting: Ice
You said it right there, the current situation in the SW Pacific sure does fit the description.
We all know there have been many, many numerous heavy quakes. That alone is a sign plus what I bring to the table, the chances of an event rising is strong in my opinion. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 760070
10/7/2009 10:14 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
I've seen lots of volcanos documented on this map, but
never seen this many all over the world happening at the same time.
Those little colored circular things east of Florida...
Those are Tropical Storms, correct? Is there a connection to these and the volcanos?
[link to hisz.rsoe.hu] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 728223 (OP)
10/7/2009 10:18 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
Zoom out a little from the link and see, it is practically just south of the Philippines.
The Sea floor looks like a caldera surrounded by Islands. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 728223 (OP)
10/7/2009 10:18 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
Zoom out a little from the link and see, it is practically just south of the Philippines.
The Sea floor looks like a caldera surrounded by Islands. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 728223
[link to hisz.rsoe.hu] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 778529
10/7/2009 10:19 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
Zoom out a little from the link and see, it is practically just south of the Philippines.
The Sea floor looks like a caldera surrounded by Islands. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 728223
I noticed that too. I really hope that is not the size of the caldera. It looks to be about 1,000 miles square. All civilization would be toast from something that big. |
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Frigg Stuyvesant
User ID: 621289
10/7/2009 10:25 PM
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To the other poster about the location, I know it isn't in the Philippines. I used that as a way for simple people to understand the general location.
I knows you ain't talkin' bout me..Sucka! |
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Mister Obvious 
Senior Forum Moderator
User ID: 786202
10/7/2009 10:26 PM
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Zoom out a little from the link and see, it is practically just south of the Philippines.
The Sea floor looks like a caldera surrounded by Islands. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 728223
It does.
This is sorta freaking me out. |
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P
User ID: 788945
10/7/2009 10:30 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
Put it this way, if there was a sizeable volcanic explosion in that area of Ocean, there would be a tsunami that would tower hundreds of meters high. That is if the event is an explosive eruption similar to krakatoa or St. Helens.
If it is a caldera, well, the entire planet would have massive tsunamis world wide. And they would keep coming for many days, weeks due to coastal reflection. Quoting: ºCRAPº
A volcanic eruption does not have a fraction of the joules of energy required to cause a tsunami at even a fractional level of what you have described. The weight of the water and the water tension alone would completely dissipate any surface movement. This is why they like to conduct nuclear tests in water.
In order for there to be a tsunami 100s of meters high, there would have to be a massive movement of earth to displace the water causing the water to be forced to move. The energy required just
to move one fathom of water is immense. Then to produce enough energy to give the tsunami enough velocity so
that it is able to build it's height as it approaches shore, fighting both gravity and the resistance of the water tension a d weight ahead of it is immense to put it mildly.
The Sumatra quake was no ordinary quake. One plate sprung upward 100 feet and the entire island and the surrounding coral bed was lifted out of the water. This happened quickly in one motion and displaced the water with incredible force. That is what generates killer tsunamis folks. Not volcanic eruption, but plate movements or massive landslides like the one in Alaska that sent a massive tsunami to japan ages ago, estimated to have pushed water over 1000 feet up their mountainsides at the area of impact.
There are currently over 6000 active and Well documented volcanoEs erupting beneath the oceans at this moment. even a
volcanic eruption of a supervolcano would have a hard time
mustering even a 100 ft tsunami depending on it's depth. However, if the mountain is beneath the sea and of significant enough size, a landslide could certainly do some serious damage
3rddayrising |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 778529
10/7/2009 10:32 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
Put it this way, if there was a sizeable volcanic explosion in that area of Ocean, there would be a tsunami that would tower hundreds of meters high. That is if the event is an explosive eruption similar to krakatoa or St. Helens.
If it is a caldera, well, the entire planet would have massive tsunamis world wide. And they would keep coming for many days, weeks due to coastal reflection.
A volcanic eruption does not have a fraction of the joules of energy required to cause a tsunami at even a fractional level of what you have described. The weight of the water and the water tension alone would completely dissipate any surface movement. This is why they like to conduct nuclear tests in water.
3rddayrising
Good point. Never thought of it that way. Still concerning though. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 768315
10/7/2009 10:35 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
my son is in that part of the world!! but he is on a 1300 foot long aircraft carrier!!! Quoting: Ice
Than you, are Father of one of the cream of the crop, these young men and women are hero's to me both in U.S.A. and Canada if this event does come to pass we will need them, make no mistake, I have charted every earthquake in the world this year, everyday from multiple sources, and this with the depth involved is very serious indeed. God speed to all of us. |
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Shaun1111
User ID: 567273
10/7/2009 10:36 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
mama earth is changing...
karma time, ascension and all of that good stuff.
:)
(^_*)
[link to www.lightworkers.org] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 786245
10/7/2009 10:38 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
I just heard from my brother in law stationed on Vanuatu. He is reporting a huge number of dead fish washing up. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 728979
10/7/2009 10:43 PM | | Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17 | Quote |
Could this plastic magma, working it's way to the surface, end up popping like a zit under pressure and heave up a mountain-size spew that would be large enough and go high enough to cause tsunami when it fell back into the ocean?
Is this possible? |
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