Put it this way, if there was a sizeable volcanic explosion in that area of Ocean, there would be a tsunami that would tower hundreds of meters high. That is if the event is an explosive eruption similar to krakatoa or St. Helens.
If it is a caldera, well, the entire planet would have massive tsunamis world wide. And they would keep coming for many days, weeks due to coastal reflection.
A volcanic eruption does not have a fraction of the joules of energy required to cause a tsunami at even a fractional level of what you have described. The weight of the water and the water tension alone would completely dissipate any surface movement. This is why they like to conduct nuclear tests in water.
3rddayrising
Good point. Never thought of it that way. Still concerning though.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 778529
It is scary but very important to keep these types
of developments in their appropriate
doom category. If it is a caldera, and it did blow it would be really bad news for the Phillipines, but its effect around the world would pale by comparison. However, if this caldera were to collapse and was large enough you would get the pebble in
the pond effect, and the possibility of a
massive tsunami. Chances are
remote, but there nonetheless.
Posting from PDA
so please forgive me if this message is a bit truncated
Anonymous Coward User ID: 768315 10/7/2009 10:44 PM
Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17
All I know, and I'm sure amny of you see it too, is the number of heavy quakes in the last week plus the two really rare and very deep earthquakes. Knowing typical earthquakes can't exist that deep, we know it is something other then an area of tension being released. My next best guess is sudden displacement of magma under extreme pressures.
I really hope i am wrong cause it could create a disaster that would be written about for thousands of years.
ALL the shorelines would be flattened tens and some hundreds of miles inland.
The world map would have to be redrawn.
The Sun would be dimmed for many years causing crop failures and a mini ice age for at least a decade.
World militaries would panic.
Neighborhoods would fall apart.
Massive death would ensue.
The area of devastation would be soo great that insects would breed at an alarming, biblical proportion. One could say beetles would fill the skies and blacken the sun.
Scary ehh? I really hope I am wrong.
Quoting: ºCRAPº
And the meek shall ........ the earth.
Canadian Cold Front User ID: 348319 10/7/2009 10:47 PM
Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17
I just heard from my brother in law stationed on Vanuatu. He is reporting a huge number of dead fish washing up.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 786245
Whether it's from excessive heat or gas, that sounds extrodinarily bad. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
Anonymous Coward User ID: 779573 10/7/2009 10:53 PM
Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17
Interesting vid. How does the author explain mountain ranges then? Why would there be a "spine" of mountains that runs from Alaska to Argentinia if there weren't two plates smashing into each other pushing the land up?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 784308 10/7/2009 10:59 PM
Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17
Put it this way, if there was a sizeable volcanic explosion in that area of Ocean, there would be a tsunami that would tower hundreds of meters high. That is if the event is an explosive eruption similar to krakatoa or St. Helens.
If it is a caldera, well, the entire planet would have massive tsunamis world wide. And they would keep coming for many days, weeks due to coastal reflection.
Quoting: ºCRAPº
The only place I really worry about is Japan. Anything there could be awful beyond words.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 788961 10/7/2009 11:00 PM
Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17
Extinction Level Event "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
Anonymous Coward User ID: 757400 10/7/2009 11:04 PM
Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17
Interesting vid. How does the author explain mountain ranges then? Why would there be a "spine" of mountains that runs from Alaska to Argentinia if there weren't two plates smashing into each other pushing the land up?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 778529
Anonymous Coward User ID: 788946 10/7/2009 11:08 PM
Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17
A mantle plume is an upwelling of abnormally hot rock within the Earth's mantle. As the heads of mantle plumes can partly melt when they reach shallow depths, they are thought to be the cause of volcanic centers known as hotspots and probably also to have caused flood basalts. It is a secondary way that Earth loses heat, much less important in this regard than is heat loss at plate margins (see Plate tectonics). Some scientists think that plate tectonics cools the mantle, and mantle plumes cool the core.
Suggested mantle plume locations
Two of the most well known locations that fit the mantle plume theory are Hawaii and Iceland as both have volcanic activity. Other island chains that parallel plate motion include the Society Islands (e.g., Tahiti), St Helena-Ascension-Gough, and the Ninety-east ridge (Indian ocean). One of the dormant in Asia that fits the mantle plume theory is Mount Halla(Hallasan) in Jeju island(Jeju-do).
The P-wave and S-wave images show other locations that fit the mantle plume model. Ascension Island and St. Helena appear to originate from the same plume. Similarly, volcanic activity in the Azores and Canary Islands branch from a single trunk.
South of Java and in the Coral Sea, the images show possible formation of future plumes that currently extend only halfway to the surface.
The Mississippi Embayment in North America which formed in the mid-Cretaceous has been suggested as a mantle plume event that occurred as the North American plate, specifically the Mississippi graben, passed over the Bermuda hotspot.
I LIVE IN PROVIDENT VILLAGE, MARIKINA, PHILIPPINES.
We were the ones devastated by the recent typhoon.
Yeah, our village is totally reclaimed by mud.
And now we are homeless. And our new car too.
But my wife and kids survived.
Interesting vid. How does the author explain mountain ranges then? Why would there be a "spine" of mountains that runs from Alaska to Argentinia if there weren't two plates smashing into each other pushing the land up?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 779573
The Earth is expanding. If you look at a globe you will see that over the eons, the southern half of the globe has expanded faster than the northern half.
While Neal Adams videos are great, the matter was put to rest in my mind by the scientist (whose name slips my mind at the moment) who showed that the magnetic stripes caused by sea floor expansion, when colored to represent magnetic polarity, began at the plate edges and morphed into the edges of the continental shelves. That as far as I am concerned is conclusive that such expansion is occurring. I'll look up the name and post it.
I LIVE IN PROVIDENT VILLAGE, MARIKINA, PHILIPPINES.
We were the ones devastated by the recent typhoon.
Yeah, our village is totally reclaimed by mud.
And now we are homeless. And our new car too.
But my wife and kids survived.
So are you telling me I SHOULD EVACUATE my self and my family from the Philippines?
Where should I go where it is safe?
Quoting: goodsamaritan
Hey Good sammy!,
I strongly suggest you and your family find higher elevation for a while.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 700640 10/7/2009 11:32 PM
Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17
Interesting vid. How does the author explain mountain ranges then? Why would there be a "spine" of mountains that runs from Alaska to Argentinia if there weren't two plates smashing into each other pushing the land up?
The Earth is expanding. If you look at a globe you will see that over the eons, the southern half of the globe has expanded faster than the northern half.
While Neal Adams videos are great, the matter was put to rest in my mind by the scientist (whose name slips my mind at the moment) who showed that the magnetic stripes caused by sea floor expansion, when colored to represent magnetic polarity, began at the plate edges and morphed into the edges of the continental shelves. That as far as I am concerned is conclusive that such expansion is occurring. I'll look up the name and post it.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 788977
Here it is
Expanding Earth Theory.
... Since the planet's gravity is greatest near the surface, we might expect--if gravity results from a lag in that expansion--that the lag is greater there than in the interior. If one, thus, has an expanding sphere of which the surface expands at a slightly slower rate than the interior, one might conclude that the surface would be subjected to cracking. If we follow this line of thought backward, we can easily imagine how the continents came into being.
At some remote time in its history, we imagine, the planet was completely covered by primeval ocean, and what are now the continents formed its sea bed. Slowly, although faster at some time than others, the sea bed cracked in great circle lines and slowly the ocean subsided into the widening cracks.
Land life could not develop before this occurred, and for a long duration the emerging continents would have been subjected to daily flooding and drying as a result of tides.
If the above is true, then the edges of the continents should show great circle cracks of a smaller diameter planet. It is also unavoidably implied that the continents would be found upon examination, to fit together as the surface of a smaller diameter sphere--this is our interpretation of what we have found to be an idea of some provenance.
Main stream geophysics seems to be progressing in this direction, most notably the work of James Maxlow (there are a growing number of others). The actual expansion occurs along the edges of the continental plates which are slowly separating, and as they do so, molten rock oozes up to fill the crack created, in a process known as sea floor spreading. Dr. Maxlow's approach involves the fact that the earth's magnetic field periodically reverses. The molten rock acquires the magnetic polarity of the field as it cools, and hence bands of opposing polarities (magnetic striping) are created. These bands show a general outline of the continental plates at the edges, and they can be tracked backward to show that continents separate because the sea floor has been getting larger rather than the continental plates drifting as in Alfred Wegener's scheme. According to Maxlow, 200 million years ago the land mass of the earth was united as a single continent (the entire crustal surface) of the Earth which was estimated to be about 52% of its current size. But this value (apparently derived from calculating the size of a sphere with a surface area equal to the current continental area) does not take into account our proposal of gauge expansion.
An enthusiastic proponent of the expanding earth idea is noted cartoonist Neal Adams, who has produced several videos of the proposed process (q.v.).
Anonymous Coward User ID: 773130 10/7/2009 11:36 PM
Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17
I LIVE IN PROVIDENT VILLAGE, MARIKINA, PHILIPPINES.
We were the ones devastated by the recent typhoon.
Yeah, our village is totally reclaimed by mud.
And now we are homeless. And our new car too.
But my wife and kids survived.
The recent two deep earthquakes near the Philippines are really alarming. Especially since the second one in the same location. The odds of these two quakes being seperate from each other are near zero. So, what is going on? Is there a large body of thick molten magma rising with the consitency of soft plastic? Could very well be just that as typical friction and tension quakes do not occur at that depth, not even close.
Today there was a 6.7 at 582.8 km deep. Same place as the 630.5 km quake on the 4th 3 days ago.
It is the same location. So lets figure this. If there is something happening and is coming towards the surface, it travelled exactly 630.5km to 582.8km with a difference of 47.7km. The dates were October 4th 2009 10:58UTC and October 7th 2009 21:45UTC with a difference of 82 hours and 47 minutes.
So far the travel speed is 0.576 Km/hr.
At this rate, the event might reach the surface in 1,011 hours or at about 42 days. The date is November 18th 2009.
It may be a few days ahead or a few days behind but if anything is travelling towards the surface, it would be catastrophic. Real Global Doom everyone.
I do not support craaazy GLP babble predictions as there are millions of them. But this date has facts behind it. I may be wrong, I'de rather be wrong but the details show us something deep and deadly rising.
Quoting: ºCRAPº
That is my birthday. I can really do without the big bang.
A little wine. A quick song and a bit of cake; forget the candles; will do just fine.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 788961 10/7/2009 11:40 PM
Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17
I LIVE IN PROVIDENT VILLAGE, MARIKINA, PHILIPPINES.
We were the ones devastated by the recent typhoon.
Yeah, our village is totally reclaimed by mud.
And now we are homeless. And our new car too.
But my wife and kids survived.
A mantle plume is an upwelling of abnormally hot rock within the Earth's mantle. As the heads of mantle plumes can partly melt when they reach shallow depths, they are thought to be the cause of volcanic centers known as hotspots and probably also to have caused flood basalts. It is a secondary way that Earth loses heat, much less important in this regard than is heat loss at plate margins (see Plate tectonics). Some scientists think that plate tectonics cools the mantle, and mantle plumes cool the core.Suggested mantle plume locations
Two of the most well known locations that fit the mantle plume theory are Hawaii and Iceland as both have volcanic activity. Other island chains that parallel plate motion include the Society Islands (e.g., Tahiti), St Helena-Ascension-Gough, and the Ninety-east ridge (Indian ocean). One of the dormant in Asia that fits the mantle plume theory is Mount Halla(Hallasan) in Jeju island(Jeju-do).
The P-wave and S-wave images show other locations that fit the mantle plume model. Ascension Island and St. Helena appear to originate from the same plume. Similarly, volcanic activity in the Azores and Canary Islands branch from a single trunk.
South of Java and in the Coral Sea, the images show possible formation of future plumes that currently extend only halfway to the surface.
The Mississippi Embayment in North America which formed in the mid-Cretaceous has been suggested as a mantle plume event that occurred as the North American plate, specifically the Mississippi graben, passed over the Bermuda hotspot.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 788946
I like this theory because it takes into consideration the warming ocean temperatures and changing weather patterns.
The earth is releasing heat... makes sense to me.
Knowing that all things are connected, it's also interesting that many other planets in our solar system as well as our sun have been undergoing great change in recent past.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 779573 10/7/2009 11:56 PM
Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17
expanding earth theory is the only theory that makes REAL sense.
and I believe that at times, the expansion is quick, resulting in massive changes to the landscape, and is quite cataclysmic to life. But, life adapts. And life goes on.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 726572 10/8/2009 12:01 AM
Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17
All I know, and I'm sure amny of you see it too, is the number of heavy quakes in the last week plus the two really rare and very deep earthquakes. Knowing typical earthquakes can't exist that deep, we know it is something other then an area of tension being released. My next best guess is sudden displacement of magma under extreme pressures.
I really hope i am wrong cause it could create a disaster that would be written about for thousands of years.
ALL the shorelines would be flattened tens and some hundreds of miles inland.
The world map would have to be redrawn.
The Sun would be dimmed for many years causing crop failures and a mini ice age for at least a decade.
World militaries would panic.
Neighborhoods would fall apart.
Massive death would ensue.
The area of devastation would be soo great that insects would breed at an alarming, biblical proportion. One could say beetles would fill the skies and blacken the sun.
Scary ehh? I really hope I am wrong.
Quoting: ºCRAPº
We know it will come at some point, and with everything going on in our world, I wouldn't doubt that we have approached that time frame. It really brings to mind this...
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
(Rev 6:12-17)
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
(Luk 21:25-27)
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I realize you are guestimating upon what you've seen, and I certainly appreciate you bringing this to our attention. I guess what others dont realize is that you are WATCHING and WARNING of what COULD happen, not what is for sure at this moment.
Those who keep telling the OP that his figures are off because 2 markers do not make a certainty, he's already addressed that, and has stated he is watching, and wanted to let those who wish to know about it aware, so they can watch too. And for me, I'm extremely appreciative of his efforts.
Thanks OP!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 726572 10/8/2009 12:03 AM
Re: ALERT - Toba Super Volcano, New Intense Swarm Starts Again - NOV 9 - UPDATE PG 17
I LIVE IN PROVIDENT VILLAGE, MARIKINA, PHILIPPINES.
We were the ones devastated by the recent typhoon.
Yeah, our village is totally reclaimed by mud.
And now we are homeless. And our new car too.
But my wife and kids survived.
So are you telling me I SHOULD EVACUATE my self and my family from the Philippines?
Where should I go where it is safe?
Quoting: goodsamaritan
I'm so sorry to hear of your plight, and I'm glad your family made it out safe. I guess if I were you, I'd try to get to high elevation, away from any coastal areas. If you have relatives or friends on any continent, then perhaps you can take a vacation, just to be on the safe side?
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