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Thank you so very much! You have just captured my heart! And from what you have written also, it tells me your heart and the love that is within you.
With that being said, I want to add that there are many out there in this world standing behind pulpits that have the title of pastor, priest, and etc. Satan loves to use many of them to mis-lead in scripture. We see it daily on the news.
So it is very important to learn to rightly divide the Word, and I know it is what every church system says about their church and what every scholar says including myself.
I cannot except "fairy - tail" teachings by some denominations, and when I am with a pastor or teacher that does that, it personally upsets me to know end to see people falling for it.
I am taking the time to write this to you so you will understand my heart and I don't have too, and I do not have anything to prove. Yet, I am compelled to do so in hopes that many will understand that the great grand deception of the latter day is in full effect. Many churches secretly have "Freemasons" as elders and pastors. They teach in a way to keep the ancient information from the minds of those that are around them (congregation). Many blindly walk into churches thinking they are in Gods church and because they teach that Jesus came and saved them does not make them a church working for the Lord. WE see that daily on the news.
Trust no person when it comes to the fullness of the Word. And I include myself in that statement. Keep studding for yourself so you can see the errors, and the deceptions, and the power hold churches have on people and their lives. After all the Word says and teaches us from Christ that there are many wolves. Even in the book of Rev. chapter 2 and 3 we see that 5 of the churches Christ is not happy with. And having us the reader being shown that only 2 of the 7 Christ finds no fault with. To fully understand what I am getting at, Rev. 2:9 and 3:9 define the reason why many are being mis-taught in churches.
Anyway, sorry for the lengthy response... Just be careful of what you read and are being taught on glp and any other form of bible teachings. God bless!

Major, if you come back on here, I want you to read this.
It seems that some think I was out of hand with you.
So to make peace and to show you all due respect, I am publicly asking that you forgive my shortcomings with you.

It does not matter who is right or wrong on the subject that we chatted about. I am not such a big man that I cannot come to you and tell you I am sorry for being such a hard nose with you. It usually is not my nature, and I guess you found my hot button!
So I am earnestly saying to you, and to all others, I am sorry.
I also want to ask OP, the starter of this thread to overlook any of my shortcomings also and for hijacking this thread without his or her being here.

I will keep my stance on what I shared, but I am asking that for forgiveness for being short with you and anyone else..
Blessings to all


STAR. Why dont we agree to be friends?

I hear what you are saying and I hope that you meant it and not because you feel trapped by others opinions.

I of course forgive you because that is what we are told to do.
"Love your enemies and do good to them which hate you".
"And to him that smiteth thee on the one cheek, offer the other".
"Give to every man that asketh of thee".

Thank you so very much! You have just captured my heart! And from what you have written also, it tells me your heart and the love that is within you.
With that being said, I want to add that there are many out there in this world standing behind pulpits that have the title of pastor, priest, and etc. Satan loves to use many of them to mis-lead in scripture. We see it daily on the news.
So it is very important to learn to rightly divide the Word, and I know it is what every church system says about their church and what every scholar says including myself.
I cannot except "fairy - tail" teachings by some denominations, and when I am with a pastor or teacher that does that, it personally upsets me to know end to see people falling for it.
I am taking the time to write this to you so you will understand my heart and I don't have too, and I do not have anything to prove. Yet, I am compelled to do so in hopes that many will understand that the great grand deception of the latter day is in full effect. Many churches secretly have "Freemasons" as elders and pastors. They teach in a way to keep the ancient information from the minds of those that are around them (congregation). Many blindly walk into churches thinking they are in Gods church and because they teach that Jesus came and saved them does not make them a church working for the Lord. WE see that daily on the news.
Trust no person when it comes to the fullness of the Word. And I include myself in that statement. Keep studding for yourself so you can see the errors, and the deceptions, and the power hold churches have on people and their lives. After all the Word says and teaches us from Christ that there are many wolves. Even in the book of Rev. chapter 2 and 3 we see that 5 of the churches Christ is not happy with. And having us the reader being shown that only 2 of the 7 Christ finds no fault with. To fully understand what I am getting at, Rev. 2:9 and 3:9 define the reason why many are being mis-taught in churches.
Anyway, sorry for the lengthy response... Just be careful of what you read and are being taught on glp and any other form of bible teachings. God bless!


I agree with you that there's major infiltration in the church. I'll give you an example of what I saw the last time I visited one of those mega churches in Austin, Texas. I'm going to go ahead and name this church now. I didn't last time I posted this. It's Gateway Church, McNeil campus. It's nondenominational. During the praise and worship portion, the lead worship leader, who also played guitar, dark haired guy, he threw up the devil's horn hand signal several times. He did it right when the congregation sang "Hallelujah." Again, this happened 2 or 3 times, always when we sang "Hallelujah." It was unmistakable that that's what I saw. I am trained to look for this kind of thing, and it was 100% the hand signal that I saw.

Now, some people might say, well, this is Longhorn UT college country and that's their hand signal. Ok, fine, but why is he doing this in the middle of praise and worship to the Lord and specifically when they sang "Hallelujah"? I think he is a Satanic infiltrator. At one point, I was staring at him and telling him in my mind, "I know what you are, you don't fool me," and it's almost as if he smirked at me. My mind playing tricks? Perhaps that could be, but I am not telling a lie concerning the Satanic hand signal I saw.

But, Little Star, I do disagree with you that there are only Satan's seed alive now. I also believe there are Nephilim, the offspring of fallen angels and human women, mixed in there too. Joshua and the Israelites didn't kill all of those races of people off like God told them to. We're looking at many different kinds of fallen bloodlines I think, and like Wingedlion said, I believe the 10 horns in prophecy are 10 different major ruling types of Satanic bloodlines that exist now.

Peace to you, and I'm glad we ironed out our dispute. I apologize to you for calling you an arrogant prick. That was immature and rude of me to do. Please forgive me for doing that.

Thank you so very much! You have just captured my heart! And from what you have written also, it tells me your heart and the love that is within you.
With that being said, I want to add that there are many out there in this world standing behind pulpits that have the title of pastor, priest, and etc. Satan loves to use many of them to mis-lead in scripture. We see it daily on the news.
So it is very important to learn to rightly divide the Word, and I know it is what every church system says about their church and what every scholar says including myself.
I cannot except "fairy - tail" teachings by some denominations, and when I am with a pastor or teacher that does that, it personally upsets me to know end to see people falling for it.
I am taking the time to write this to you so you will understand my heart and I don't have too, and I do not have anything to prove. Yet, I am compelled to do so in hopes that many will understand that the great grand deception of the latter day is in full effect. Many churches secretly have "Freemasons" as elders and pastors. They teach in a way to keep the ancient information from the minds of those that are around them (congregation). Many blindly walk into churches thinking they are in Gods church and because they teach that Jesus came and saved them does not make them a church working for the Lord. WE see that daily on the news.
Trust no person when it comes to the fullness of the Word. And I include myself in that statement. Keep studding for yourself so you can see the errors, and the deceptions, and the power hold churches have on people and their lives. After all the Word says and teaches us from Christ that there are many wolves. Even in the book of Rev. chapter 2 and 3 we see that 5 of the churches Christ is not happy with. And having us the reader being shown that only 2 of the 7 Christ finds no fault with. To fully understand what I am getting at, Rev. 2:9 and 3:9 define the reason why many are being mis-taught in churches.
Anyway, sorry for the lengthy response... Just be careful of what you read and are being taught on glp and any other form of bible teachings. God bless!


I agree with you that there's major infiltration in the church. I'll give you an example of what I saw the last time I visited one of those mega churches in Austin, Texas. I'm going to go ahead and name this church now. I didn't last time I posted this. It's Gateway Church, McNeil campus. It's nondenominational. During the praise and worship portion, the lead worship leader, who also played guitar, dark haired guy, he threw up the devil's horn hand signal several times. He did it right when the congregation sang "Hallelujah." Again, this happened 2 or 3 times, always when we sang "Hallelujah." It was unmistakable that that's what I saw. I am trained to look for this kind of thing, and it was 100% the hand signal that I saw.

Now, some people might say, well, this is Longhorn UT college country and that's their hand signal. Ok, fine, but why is he doing this in the middle of praise and worship to the Lord and specifically when they sang "Hallelujah"? I think he is a Satanic infiltrator. At one point, I was staring at him and telling him in my mind, "I know what you are, you don't fool me," and it's almost as if he smirked at me. My mind playing tricks? Perhaps that could be, but I am not telling a lie concerning the Satanic hand signal I saw.

But, Little Star, I do disagree with you that there are only Satan's seed alive now. I also believe there are Nephilim, the offspring of fallen angels and human women, mixed in there too. Joshua and the Israelites didn't kill all of those races of people off like God told them to. We're looking at many different kinds of fallen bloodlines I think, and like Wingedlion said, I believe the 10 horns in prophecy are 10 different major ruling types of Satanic bloodlines that exist now.

Peace to you, and I'm glad we ironed out our dispute. I apologize to you for calling you an arrogant prick. That was immature and rude of me to do. Please forgive me for doing that.

Thank you so very much! You have just captured my heart! And from what you have written also, it tells me your heart and the love that is within you.
With that being said, I want to add that there are many out there in this world standing behind pulpits that have the title of pastor, priest, and etc. Satan loves to use many of them to mis-lead in scripture. We see it daily on the news.
So it is very important to learn to rightly divide the Word, and I know it is what every church system says about their church and what every scholar says including myself.
I cannot except "fairy - tail" teachings by some denominations, and when I am with a pastor or teacher that does that, it personally upsets me to know end to see people falling for it.
I am taking the time to write this to you so you will understand my heart and I don't have too, and I do not have anything to prove. Yet, I am compelled to do so in hopes that many will understand that the great grand deception of the latter day is in full effect. Many churches secretly have "Freemasons" as elders and pastors. They teach in a way to keep the ancient information from the minds of those that are around them (congregation). Many blindly walk into churches thinking they are in Gods church and because they teach that Jesus came and saved them does not make them a church working for the Lord. WE see that daily on the news.
Trust no person when it comes to the fullness of the Word. And I include myself in that statement. Keep studding for yourself so you can see the errors, and the deceptions, and the power hold churches have on people and their lives. After all the Word says and teaches us from Christ that there are many wolves. Even in the book of Rev. chapter 2 and 3 we see that 5 of the churches Christ is not happy with. And having us the reader being shown that only 2 of the 7 Christ finds no fault with. To fully understand what I am getting at, Rev. 2:9 and 3:9 define the reason why many are being mis-taught in churches.
Anyway, sorry for the lengthy response... Just be careful of what you read and are being taught on glp and any other form of bible teachings. God bless!


I agree with you that there's major infiltration in the church. I'll give you an example of what I saw the last time I visited one of those mega churches in Austin, Texas. I'm going to go ahead and name this church now. I didn't last time I posted this. It's Gateway Church, McNeil campus. It's nondenominational. During the praise and worship portion, the lead worship leader, who also played guitar, dark haired guy, he threw up the devil's horn hand signal several times. He did it right when the congregation sang "Hallelujah." Again, this happened 2 or 3 times, always when we sang "Hallelujah." It was unmistakable that that's what I saw. I am trained to look for this kind of thing, and it was 100% the hand signal that I saw.

Now, some people might say, well, this is Longhorn UT college country and that's their hand signal. Ok, fine, but why is he doing this in the middle of praise and worship to the Lord and specifically when they sang "Hallelujah"? I think he is a Satanic infiltrator. At one point, I was staring at him and telling him in my mind, "I know what you are, you don't fool me," and it's almost as if he smirked at me. My mind playing tricks? Perhaps that could be, but I am not telling a lie concerning the Satanic hand signal I saw.

But, Little Star, I do disagree with you that there are only Satan's seed alive now. I also believe there are Nephilim, the offspring of fallen angels and human women, mixed in there too. Joshua and the Israelites didn't kill all of those races of people off like God told them to. We're looking at many different kinds of fallen bloodlines I think, and like Wingedlion said, I believe the 10 horns in prophecy are 10 different major ruling types of Satanic bloodlines that exist now.

Peace to you, and I'm glad we ironed out our dispute. I apologize to you for calling you an arrogant prick. That was immature and rude of me to do. Please forgive me for doing that.


>>I do disagree with you that there are only Satan's seed alive now. I also believe there are Nephilim, the offspring of fallen angels and human women, mixed in there too.<<

You do realize that Nephilim are giants, right? How many giant families do you see these days. NONE.

Why? - Because God did rid the earth of them, leaving only the serpent's seed.

And those 10 horns are satanic but are not human offspring of satan. These are some of Satan's followers (fallen angels) that will come with him when he comes as antichrist.

Now for everyone else.
What happened to me and why I got upset is that even after I had shown the mis-informing being presented, I had my character attacked. Like the words' come back when you want a lesson'. Take your meds, and etc.
Any of you that read this thread could of validated anything that I presented by the key words I wrote.
For an example, you don't have to be a scholar, and do not have to know one verse in the bible to understand Rev.15:3 about the Song of Moses. Most bibles in Deut. 32 at the top of the page and or above the chapter of the book says "Song of Moses."
So if you went to you bible, and opened it, you would of seen the errors of the pastor that I was talking with.
And if you decide to go back to the top and read what the pastor had presented, you would see that error.
Some pastors cannot take correction, therefore they try and be-little anyone going against their mis-teachings.
They do it out of pride!
I would go down the whole list of things that happened here on this thread, but it is not important. I took the time to write this to let you all know that just because someone uses the name of Jesus does not mean they are of God.
Amos 8:11 has been fulfilled and this thread proves it.
Blessings to all..

THE BACKWARD WALK OF CHRIST JESUS

In the Old Testament man was judged by a tree "of knowledge of good and evil". A cherubim with a sword that goes every way like a flame (the sword = time) guarded Eden. Adam couldn't go back and eat of the tree of life.

Then man was judged by a flood. It rained 40 days and nights and a dove and raven were sent up from the ark. There was a rainbow to show that we would not be judged by water any more.

Then God gave the children of Israel the law which brought condemnation on everyone but Christ. Christ as the end of the law was a sign believers would not be judged by the law again.

Jesus went in reverse through the history in the 5 books of Moses summarized above.

The Law
First Christ obeyed the law in the Torah while living in submission to his parents.

The Flood
Then he went back before the law to the flood of Noah. In the flood it rained 40 days and nights and a dove and a raven were sent up from the Ark.

Jesus went into the water and the holy spirit descended on him like a dove. Then he was led into the wilderness 40 days and 40 nights.
The dove is the holy spirit and the raven is the spirit of Elijah.
Elijah was fed by ravens of the brook during the famine. Elijah was to turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers. In proverbs it said the eye that mocks at his father and despises to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out.
Jesus said that If you care to believe it John is the Elijah to come.
John's baptism has something to do with the raven.

Jesus went backward before the flood to the garden of Eden.
Deuteronomy says, Yahweh Elohim (the Lord thy God), "will circumcise your heart and the heart of your seed to love Yahweh Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, that you may live." In order to live one must eat of the tree of life. It is in the garden of Eden being guarded by cherubim with a sword.

The Last Supper
"The last supper" is the "Passover" feast where the angel of death passed over the households of Israel. On Passover Jesus and his disciples revisit the original scene in Eden and reverse it.

Adam is played by Jesus. Eve is played by the disciples. The devil is played by Judas. Christ said "One of you is a devil" referring to Judas.

Adam and Eve ate to forget God to become like God. Jesus broke the bread and told his disciples "Eat this in remembrance of me" to remember rather than forget.

Temptation
Where were Adam and Eve before they ate? They were in a garden being tempted. In reverse Where were Christ and the disciples after they ate? In the garden of Gethsemane during Jesus' time of temptation.

The Bride
Adam went back before Eve was formed.
Adam was put into a deep sleep and his side was opened and a helps meet was made for him from his side.
Christ was put into a deep sleep, death, and his side was opened, and water and blood came out. The bride of Christ is the witness that is said to be of the spirit, water and blood.

The Alpha and Omega
The host, army, of heaven was in place before Adam was formed. Christ takes us to heavenly places but there was a battle in heaven. Christ takes us back to the beginning and where are we? At the end of the scripture the revelation of John the apostle is the description of that battle.

Revelations
"Of yourself you can do nothing". There was a battle in heaven and in it Satan's people fight for Satan but Jesus fights for his people. All as they can do is seek understanding (standing under), agreeing to truth and be thankful.

In the battle the serpent cast a third of the stars to the earth with its tail. This is who I suspect are the lost are whom Christ came to save. They are lost sheep. Everyone is a sinner but not everyone is lost. Many are comfortable and at home in hell, separation from God, Adam's death. They will be comfortable there until hell and death* are cast into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

Hell is separation from God. If we aren't born into it the moment we are conceived in Adam's death than it sure is a likeness of it.

*Adam's death, the first "death" of the first Adam, separation from God and eternal life.

Did you know that the time of Noah entering the ark and until he got off of the ark was 5 months?
Did you know about Rev. 9:5 and 9:10 is the same amount of time that Noah spent on the ark?
Mark 13:20" And except the LORD had SHORTENED those days, no flesh should be saved; but for the elects sake, whom He hath CHOSEN, He that SHORTENED THE DAYS."

Posted that because of what Christ said to us the reader...



" Did you know that the time of Noah entering the ark and until he got off of the ark was 5 months?"

Genesis 8:3
"And the waters returned from off the earth continually, and after the end of the hundred and fifty days (5 months)the waters were abaded. (4) And the ark rested in the SEVENTH month on the seventh day of the month upon the mountains of Ararat.(5) And the waters decreased continually until the TENTH month in the TENTH month on the first day of the month were the tops of the mountains seen.
(6) And it came to pass at the end of forty days (another month and 10 days, Now it is 11 months and ten days) that Noah opened the window of the Ark which he had made.

The dove is sent out but found no soil and it returned.

(10) And he stayed another 7 days and again sent out the dove. (Now it is 11 months and 17 days.

Dove came back with an olive branch.

(12) And he stayed another 7 days and sent our the dove which returned not again unto him anymore.
(11 months and 24 days).

40 days the rain fell (Chapter 7:12)
110 days the water prevailed (7:24)
74 days before the tops of mountains seen (8:5)
40 days and Noah sent sent out the raven (8:6)
7 more days and the dove was senr out (8:7)
7 more days and the 2nd dove was sent out (8:8)
7 more days and the dove was sent out 3rd time(8:10)
___
285 days are recorded in the Bible.
57 days are logged between verse 13 & 14.(Date to
date as listed).
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371 days OR IN FACT MORE THAN ONE YEAR.


"Did you know about Rev. 9:5 and 9:10 is the same amount of time that Noah spent on the ark".

TOTALLY IRREVALANT since we have now seen correctly that it was MORE than 1 year in the Ark.


"9:10 is the same amount of time that Noah spent on the ark?"

AGAIN, TOTALLY IRREVALANT.

I concede, and should not of posted what I did, and my thoughts were not running correctly at that time and my statement was irrevalant by the definition of what I was trying to get across. Doesn't make sense at all. Must of been my dyslexic mind kicking in high gear.. lol

Thanks Dale for pointing that for me... lol

Now for everyone else.
What happened to me and why I got upset is that even after I had shown the mis-informing being presented, I had my character attacked. Like the words' come back when you want a lesson'. Take your meds, and etc.
Any of you that read this thread could of validated anything that I presented by the key words I wrote.
For an example, you don't have to be a scholar, and do not have to know one verse in the bible to understand Rev.15:3 about the Song of Moses. Most bibles in Deut. 32 at the top of the page and or above the chapter of the book says "Song of Moses."
So if you went to you bible, and opened it, you would of seen the errors of the pastor that I was talking with.
And if you decide to go back to the top and read what the pastor had presented, you would see that error.
Some pastors cannot take correction, therefore they try and be-little anyone going against their mis-teachings.
They do it out of pride!
I would go down the whole list of things that happened here on this thread, but it is not important. I took the time to write this to let you all know that just because someone uses the name of Jesus does not mean they are of God.
Amos 8:11 has been fulfilled and this thread proves it.
Blessings to all..


Wow. That was a sort lived apology wasn't it!!!

You better go back and read who attacked who. You seem to have foregotten WHO asked WHO in the beginning. You seem to have forgotten who began to use character as a weapon and education as a fault along with being a Pastor as an evil person !!!

Those words of "wanting a lesson" and taking meds" were AFTER you attacked my education, and ability of being a pastor. I even apologized to you for using those words.

And even now, you still are doing it. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??? WHy did you feel the need to re-open a can of whupping again??? Why do you feel the need to prove me wrong? Does it make you feel special or enlightened.

You asked and I gave you my answer about the song of Moses. OK, you dont agree. What is the big deal??

But for those who are following along, I will be glad to expound them. As I SAID...Deut. 32 is the song the Lord told Moses to write in 31:19.

It tells of the faithfullness of God to His people. HE will protect them and see them through, but if and when they reject His love, He will just as surely punish them in His anger. Every time the people sang this song they were reminded of the consequences of the doctrine of rebellion.

The song is a picture of prophetic anticipation of the furure coming judgments. When it was written it was unlikely that such a song would ever be fulfilled because it was writtten when Israel was at the height of their obedioence to God.

And if we want to be absoluly correct as Little Star seems intent on being, which is OK with me....the song was given to the people beginning in Chapter 31:30.

Now for Revlation 15:3, AGAIN.
Judgment is seen by John. Before it falls he sees a group of people who are victorious with harps of God. They are the ones we see in Rev. 14:3............

"And they sung as it were a new song before the
throne, and before the four beasts and the elders, and
no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty
and four thousand which were redeemed from the earth."

They have overcome the beast of chapter 13 and are in fact at peace (notice the "sea of glass"). That is a picture of calm and smoothness/peace. Purity is seen here. That which can not be undone is done, but it has been gained at the cost of trials and tribulation under the rule of the beast.

What then is the common tyhread of these two songs? LittleStar seems agitated to know. He does not agree with me on this. IT SHOULD NOT MATTER.

IMO the samenes of the two songs is that they both celebrate redemption and deliverance, by God. In Deut. it was about Gods physical release of Israel from Egypt's bondage through the Passover Lamb.

In the Revelation it is the spiritual liberation from the bondage of Satan and his demons through Christ our Passover (1 Corth. 5:7).

Little Star...if you disagree with that FINE. I DO NOT CARE. "But to disagree is no reason for your hot button to be pushed".


You said:
"So if you went to you bible, and opened it, you would of seen the errors of the pastor that I was talking with."

NOPE. They would have seen where you disagreed with me. That does not make it an error my friend.


You said:
"Some pastors cannot take correction, therefore they try and be-little anyone going against their mis-teachings".

You simply do not know me. You did not list any Scripture to support your opinions. How does anyone know YOU are the one who is correct?? Because you say so?? And again, why does it matter to you??? PRIDE of having to be right? FEAR of being wrong?? My friend, I have at many times spoken to hundreds of people at a time. Do you really think that everyone agrees with what I say to them. NO. But all of them that have not agreed have been ladies and gentlemen and ask questions and talked over the Scriptures in a civil way. We remained friends, brothers and sister in Christ. That way Christ gets the glory for how we act towards one another in His name. You have failed in this area completly.

Then you said....
"Then you I would go down the whole list of things that happened here on this thread, but it is not important. I took the time to write this to let you all know that just because someone uses the name of Jesus does not mean they are of God."

Now all of this comes after you said, "I am sincerely sorry".

My goodness Star. Now you not only attack my character, my education and ability to minister to others, you attack my relationship with the Lord Jesus. Why in heavens name would you feel the need to do all of this after directing an apology towards me? For the life of me, I just do not understand. It makes no sense to me. Maybe someone else can explain it for me. But you know what Star......

I FORGIVE YOU. That is my nature as a Christian.It is what the Lord Jesus commanded us to do, so I do it.
I know that you are a good person trying to do good.
I simply choose to not allow anyone else to effect my life and what I think and do because of the mis-actions of anyone else.
You and your words do not push any of my buttons as you called your reactions. I gave up anger a long time ago.
If you choose to ask anymore questions, I will freely try to answer them. If you choose to mock those Bible answers, instead of communicating over them, so be it. It is not a concern with me, but you will do damage to yourself as others read your stuff. They will be the ones who will judge you and the way you act, not me.

Luke 6:26
"Woe unto you when all men shall speak well of you! For so did their fathers to the false prophets. But I say unto you, which hear, love your enemies, do good to them which hate you".

John 7:24
"Judge not according to the appearance but judge righteous judgment".

Ephesians 5:6
"Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of these cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience....therefore be not partakers with them. For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather reprove them".

Ronald Reagan once said about believing whether or not the Russians were telling the truth about their nuclear weapons:

"BELIVE, AND VERIFY".

Do you fell like you "verified" your apology???

As for Hosea 8:11 being fulfilled because of our conversation, I believe all who read this know your thinly veiled intent. But just so that we are reading the Bible and trying to grasp what it says, I will respond to your statement.

To read 8:1, one must first read verse 1-10 as those verse give CONTEXT to the 11th verse. To long to list here but all of you please read them and take notice of verse 2. Amos has a vision of SUMMER FRUIT and then you see in verse #2 ..."THen said the Lord unto me, the end is come upon my people of ISRAEL, I will not again pass by them any more".

There is a day coming to Israel when famine shall be with judgment but it will be a famine from the Word Of God.
Isreal has shown its contemp for the Word of God from the beginning by trying to mix ritual with worship and it has lead to idoltary. God will grant Israel one more chance to come to Christ during the Tribulation Peroid.

THE BACKWARD WALK OF CHRIST JESUS

In the Old Testament man was judged by a tree "of knowledge of good and evil". A cherubim with a sword that goes every way like a flame (the sword = time) guarded Eden. Adam couldn't go back and eat of the tree of life.

Then man was judged by a flood. It rained 40 days and nights and a dove and raven were sent up from the ark. There was a rainbow to show that we would not be judged by water any more.

Then God gave the children of Israel the law which brought condemnation on everyone but Christ. Christ as the end of the law was a sign believers would not be judged by the law again.

Jesus went in reverse through the history in the 5 books of Moses summarized above.

The Law
First Christ obeyed the law in the Torah while living in submission to his parents.

The Flood
Then he went back before the law to the flood of Noah. In the flood it rained 40 days and nights and a dove and a raven were sent up from the Ark.

Jesus went into the water and the holy spirit descended on him like a dove. Then he was led into the wilderness 40 days and 40 nights.
The dove is the holy spirit and the raven is the spirit of Elijah.
Elijah was fed by ravens of the brook during the famine. Elijah was to turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers. In proverbs it said the eye that mocks at his father and despises to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out.
Jesus said that If you care to believe it John is the Elijah to come.
John's baptism has something to do with the raven.

Jesus went backward before the flood to the garden of Eden.
Deuteronomy says, Yahweh Elohim (the Lord thy God), "will circumcise your heart and the heart of your seed to love Yahweh Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, that you may live." In order to live one must eat of the tree of life. It is in the garden of Eden being guarded by cherubim with a sword.

The Last Supper
"The last supper" is the "Passover" feast where the angel of death passed over the households of Israel. On Passover Jesus and his disciples revisit the original scene in Eden and reverse it.

Adam is played by Jesus. Eve is played by the disciples. The devil is played by Judas. Christ said "One of you is a devil" referring to Judas.

Adam and Eve ate to forget God to become like God. Jesus broke the bread and told his disciples "Eat this in remembrance of me" to remember rather than forget.

Temptation
Where were Adam and Eve before they ate? They were in a garden being tempted. In reverse Where were Christ and the disciples after they ate? In the garden of Gethsemane during Jesus' time of temptation.

The Bride
Adam went back before Eve was formed.
Adam was put into a deep sleep and his side was opened and a helps meet was made for him from his side.
Christ was put into a deep sleep, death, and his side was opened, and water and blood came out. The bride of Christ is the witness that is said to be of the spirit, water and blood.

The Alpha and Omega
The host, army, of heaven was in place before Adam was formed. Christ takes us to heavenly places but there was a battle in heaven. Christ takes us back to the beginning and where are we? At the end of the scripture the revelation of John the apostle is the description of that battle.

Revelations
"Of yourself you can do nothing". There was a battle in heaven and in it Satan's people fight for Satan but Jesus fights for his people. All as they can do is seek understanding (standing under), agreeing to truth and be thankful.

In the battle the serpent cast a third of the stars to the earth with its tail. This is who I suspect are the lost are whom Christ came to save. They are lost sheep. Everyone is a sinner but not everyone is lost. Many are comfortable and at home in hell, separation from God, Adam's death. They will be comfortable there until hell and death* are cast into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

Hell is separation from God. If we aren't born into it the moment we are conceived in Adam's death than it sure is a likeness of it.

*Adam's death, the first "death" of the first Adam, separation from God and eternal life.

Did you know that the time of Noah entering the ark and until he got off of the ark was 5 months?
Did you know about Rev. 9:5 and 9:10 is the same amount of time that Noah spent on the ark?
Mark 13:20" And except the LORD had SHORTENED those days, no flesh should be saved; but for the elects sake, whom He hath CHOSEN, He that SHORTENED THE DAYS."

Posted that because of what Christ said to us the reader...



" Did you know that the time of Noah entering the ark and until he got off of the ark was 5 months?"

Genesis 8:3
"And the waters returned from off the earth continually, and after the end of the hundred and fifty days (5 months)the waters were abaded. (4) And the ark rested in the SEVENTH month on the seventh day of the month upon the mountains of Ararat.(5) And the waters decreased continually until the TENTH month in the TENTH month on the first day of the month were the tops of the mountains seen.
(6) And it came to pass at the end of forty days (another month and 10 days, Now it is 11 months and ten days) that Noah opened the window of the Ark which he had made.

The dove is sent out but found no soil and it returned.

(10) And he stayed another 7 days and again sent out the dove. (Now it is 11 months and 17 days.

Dove came back with an olive branch.

(12) And he stayed another 7 days and sent our the dove which returned not again unto him anymore.
(11 months and 24 days).

40 days the rain fell (Chapter 7:12)
110 days the water prevailed (7:24)
74 days before the tops of mountains seen (8:5)
40 days and Noah sent sent out the raven (8:6)
7 more days and the dove was senr out (8:7)
7 more days and the 2nd dove was sent out (8:8)
7 more days and the dove was sent out 3rd time(8:10)
___
285 days are recorded in the Bible.
57 days are logged between verse 13 & 14.(Date to
date as listed).
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371 days OR IN FACT MORE THAN ONE YEAR.


"Did you know about Rev. 9:5 and 9:10 is the same amount of time that Noah spent on the ark".

TOTALLY IRREVALANT since we have now seen correctly that it was MORE than 1 year in the Ark.


"9:10 is the same amount of time that Noah spent on the ark?"

AGAIN, TOTALLY IRREVALANT.

I concede, and should not of posted what I did, and my thoughts were not running correctly at that time and my statement was irrevalant by the definition of what I was trying to get across. Doesn't make sense at all. Must of been my dyslexic mind kicking in high gear.. lol

Thanks Dale for pointing that for me... lol


Well.......since you said it and I believe you, why then should we believe anything else you say?

Seems like every time you are caught in a mistake, you blame it on someone else, or your dyslexicia, or , or ,or.

Now for everyone else.
What happened to me and why I got upset is that even after I had shown the mis-informing being presented, I had my character attacked. Like the words' come back when you want a lesson'. Take your meds, and etc.
Any of you that read this thread could of validated anything that I presented by the key words I wrote.
For an example, you don't have to be a scholar, and do not have to know one verse in the bible to understand Rev.15:3 about the Song of Moses. Most bibles in Deut. 32 at the top of the page and or above the chapter of the book says "Song of Moses."
So if you went to you bible, and opened it, you would of seen the errors of the pastor that I was talking with.
And if you decide to go back to the top and read what the pastor had presented, you would see that error.
Some pastors cannot take correction, therefore they try and be-little anyone going against their mis-teachings.
They do it out of pride!
I would go down the whole list of things that happened here on this thread, but it is not important. I took the time to write this to let you all know that just because someone uses the name of Jesus does not mean they are of God.
Amos 8:11 has been fulfilled and this thread proves it.
Blessings to all..


Wow. That was a sort lived apology wasn't it!!!

You better go back and read who attacked who. You seem to have foregotten WHO asked WHO in the beginning. You seem to have forgotten who began to use character as a weapon and education as a fault along with being a Pastor as an evil person !!!

Those words of "wanting a lesson" and taking meds" were AFTER you attacked my education, and ability of being a pastor. I even apologized to you for using those words.

And even now, you still are doing it. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??? WHy did you feel the need to re-open a can of whupping again??? Why do you feel the need to prove me wrong? Does it make you feel special or enlightened.

You asked and I gave you my answer about the song of Moses. OK, you dont agree. What is the big deal??

But for those who are following along, I will be glad to expound them. As I SAID...Deut. 32 is the song the Lord told Moses to write in 31:19.

It tells of the faithfullness of God to His people. HE will protect them and see them through, but if and when they reject His love, He will just as surely punish them in His anger. Every time the people sang this song they were reminded of the consequences of the doctrine of rebellion.

The song is a picture of prophetic anticipation of the furure coming judgments. When it was written it was unlikely that such a song would ever be fulfilled because it was writtten when Israel was at the height of their obedioence to God.

And if we want to be absoluly correct as Little Star seems intent on being, which is OK with me....the song was given to the people beginning in Chapter 31:30.

Now for Revlation 15:3, AGAIN.
Judgment is seen by John. Before it falls he sees a group of people who are victorious with harps of God. They are the ones we see in Rev. 14:3............

"And they sung as it were a new song before the
throne, and before the four beasts and the elders, and
no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty
and four thousand which were redeemed from the earth."

They have overcome the beast of chapter 13 and are in fact at peace (notice the "sea of glass"). That is a picture of calm and smoothness/peace. Purity is seen here. That which can not be undone is done, but it has been gained at the cost of trials and tribulation under the rule of the beast.

What then is the common tyhread of these two songs? LittleStar seems agitated to know. He does not agree with me on this. IT SHOULD NOT MATTER.

IMO the samenes of the two songs is that they both celebrate redemption and deliverance, by God. In Deut. it was about Gods physical release of Israel from Egypt's bondage through the Passover Lamb.

In the Revelation it is the spiritual liberation from the bondage of Satan and his demons through Christ our Passover (1 Corth. 5:7).

Little Star...if you disagree with that FINE. I DO NOT CARE. "But to disagree is no reason for your hot button to be pushed".


You said:
"So if you went to you bible, and opened it, you would of seen the errors of the pastor that I was talking with."

NOPE. They would have seen where you disagreed with me. That does not make it an error my friend.


You said:
"Some pastors cannot take correction, therefore they try and be-little anyone going against their mis-teachings".

You simply do not know me. You did not list any Scripture to support your opinions. How does anyone know YOU are the one who is correct?? Because you say so?? And again, why does it matter to you??? PRIDE of having to be right? FEAR of being wrong?? My friend, I have at many times spoken to hundreds of people at a time. Do you really think that everyone agrees with what I say to them. NO. But all of them that have not agreed have been ladies and gentlemen and ask questions and talked over the Scriptures in a civil way. We remained friends, brothers and sister in Christ. That way Christ gets the glory for how we act towards one another in His name. You have failed in this area completly.

Then you said....
"Then you I would go down the whole list of things that happened here on this thread, but it is not important. I took the time to write this to let you all know that just because someone uses the name of Jesus does not mean they are of God."

Now all of this comes after you said, "I am sincerely sorry".

My goodness Star. Now you not only attack my character, my education and ability to minister to others, you attack my relationship with the Lord Jesus. Why in heavens name would you feel the need to do all of this after directing an apology towards me? For the life of me, I just do not understand. It makes no sense to me. Maybe someone else can explain it for me. But you know what Star......

I FORGIVE YOU. That is my nature as a Christian.It is what the Lord Jesus commanded us to do, so I do it.
I know that you are a good person trying to do good.
I simply choose to not allow anyone else to effect my life and what I think and do because of the mis-actions of anyone else.
You and your words do not push any of my buttons as you called your reactions. I gave up anger a long time ago.
If you choose to ask anymore questions, I will freely try to answer them. If you choose to mock those Bible answers, instead of communicating over them, so be it. It is not a concern with me, but you will do damage to yourself as others read your stuff. They will be the ones who will judge you and the way you act, not me.

Luke 6:26
"Woe unto you when all men shall speak well of you! For so did their fathers to the false prophets. But I say unto you, which hear, love your enemies, do good to them which hate you".

John 7:24
"Judge not according to the appearance but judge righteous judgment".

Ephesians 5:6
"Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of these cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience....therefore be not partakers with them. For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather reprove them".

Ronald Reagan once said about believing whether or not the Russians were telling the truth about their nuclear weapons:

"BELIVE, AND VERIFY".

Do you fell like you "verified" your apology???

As for Hosea 8:11 being fulfilled because of our conversation, I believe all who read this know your thinly veiled intent. But just so that we are reading the Bible and trying to grasp what it says, I will respond to your statement.

To read 8:1, one must first read verse 1-10 as those verse give CONTEXT to the 11th verse. To long to list here but all of you please read them and take notice of verse 2. Amos has a vision of SUMMER FRUIT and then you see in verse #2 ..."THen said the Lord unto me, the end is come upon my people of ISRAEL, I will not again pass by them any more".

There is a day coming to Israel when famine shall be with judgment but it will be a famine from the Word Of God.
Isreal has shown its contemp for the Word of God from the beginning by trying to mix ritual with worship and it has lead to idoltary. God will grant Israel one more chance to come to Christ during the Tribulation Peroid.

Major, I don't feel trapped. And I guess before I do go back and re-read the thread, I have to say that somewhere along the line I am not seeing what you are seeing.
I think you gave me gave me Exodus chapter 15 as your response to my question of Rev. 15:3, but again I am saying this without going back and re-reading the thread. It is going to take some time for me to do that. Maybe I got confused and someone else said it. Hang in there, if I need to apologies for that, I will.
But again, I am not going to bow down to your opinions (figure of speech and don't put too much into that because it is the best I can come up right now). And as I see, you are a perfectionist in communications and if I mis a jot or tittle I am going to have my ass handed back to me by you.
And no, you mis-understood about me in the beginning about me saying I dis-like Baptist schools and their colleges. But if you want to take that as a personal attack go ahead.
Again, I will state it as clearly as I can, I dis-like Baptist schools and the colleges.. And again, if you want to take that as a personal attack on your character, then let it be. It is and has not been my thoughts at all. But, I did call you a college boy, meaning taught the bible by going to some bible school.
I know I made myself clear on that, at least it should be clear to a person such as your background.
SIMPLY, forgive my imperfections of expressing myself because of my handicap of having dyslexic issue's. How many times to I have to tell you that?
Here is what I am seeing from my end... from you, your words..
And even now, you still are doing it. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??? WHy did you feel the need to re-open a can of whupping again???
I like the part of whupping again... That is the biggest issue with you, how many you think you can whupp-ass on.
Kind of like I said how I see most pastors too! Power players, not really having any patients with anyone.
And I say it again that I did say it to you that I think pastors are power players. Want me to repeat it again?
Question" if you don't feel threaten, they why the large verbiage of response back? I guess my way of expressing myself does not appeal to you. That is fine.
You still validate your material again... lol
I will stand my stance, and still say, sorry to ya for the mis-understandings that we are still having.
But, I will not back down from Napel, Rapha, and a few other things I presented.
How about the sight I posted about the Baptist schools and the teachings? Nothing said about that sight.. Nothing said back by you about the fallen angels and I know you think Cain is what Gen. 6:2 is talking about. That is just fine by me..
What I see is this... You want to debate, and you want to debate until you are on top.. Whupping is what it is about,, your words, not mine...
Again, one more time.. Sorry that we cannot see eye to eye, on the subject we tried to talk about.
Again again, I am sorry for giving you a hard time...
I know your proud of your schooling, most pastors are....lol

OH, by he way,,, not one time did I say anything about your walk with the Lord..
But you dis-like the name of Kenites... seed of Cain which you think are the ones of Gen. 6:2.. lol
I am laughing with you pastor, not against ya..
But you can take my words as you see fit. again after all it is a whupping you want to give... lol

Now for everyone else.
What happened to me and why I got upset is that even after I had shown the mis-informing being presented, I had my character attacked. Like the words' come back when you want a lesson'. Take your meds, and etc.
Any of you that read this thread could of validated anything that I presented by the key words I wrote.
For an example, you don't have to be a scholar, and do not have to know one verse in the bible to understand Rev.15:3 about the Song of Moses. Most bibles in Deut. 32 at the top of the page and or above the chapter of the book says "Song of Moses."
So if you went to you bible, and opened it, you would of seen the errors of the pastor that I was talking with.
And if you decide to go back to the top and read what the pastor had presented, you would see that error.
Some pastors cannot take correction, therefore they try and be-little anyone going against their mis-teachings.
They do it out of pride!
I would go down the whole list of things that happened here on this thread, but it is not important. I took the time to write this to let you all know that just because someone uses the name of Jesus does not mean they are of God.
Amos 8:11 has been fulfilled and this thread proves it.
Blessings to all..


Wow. That was a sort lived apology wasn't it!!!

You better go back and read who attacked who. You seem to have foregotten WHO asked WHO in the beginning. You seem to have forgotten who began to use character as a weapon and education as a fault along with being a Pastor as an evil person !!!

Those words of "wanting a lesson" and taking meds" were AFTER you attacked my education, and ability of being a pastor. I even apologized to you for using those words.

And even now, you still are doing it. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??? WHy did you feel the need to re-open a can of whupping again??? Why do you feel the need to prove me wrong? Does it make you feel special or enlightened.

You asked and I gave you my answer about the song of Moses. OK, you dont agree. What is the big deal??

But for those who are following along, I will be glad to expound them. As I SAID...Deut. 32 is the song the Lord told Moses to write in 31:19.

It tells of the faithfullness of God to His people. HE will protect them and see them through, but if and when they reject His love, He will just as surely punish them in His anger. Every time the people sang this song they were reminded of the consequences of the doctrine of rebellion.

The song is a picture of prophetic anticipation of the furure coming judgments. When it was written it was unlikely that such a song would ever be fulfilled because it was writtten when Israel was at the height of their obedioence to God.

And if we want to be absoluly correct as Little Star seems intent on being, which is OK with me....the song was given to the people beginning in Chapter 31:30.

Now for Revlation 15:3, AGAIN.
Judgment is seen by John. Before it falls he sees a group of people who are victorious with harps of God. They are the ones we see in Rev. 14:3............

"And they sung as it were a new song before the
throne, and before the four beasts and the elders, and
no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty
and four thousand which were redeemed from the earth."

They have overcome the beast of chapter 13 and are in fact at peace (notice the "sea of glass"). That is a picture of calm and smoothness/peace. Purity is seen here. That which can not be undone is done, but it has been gained at the cost of trials and tribulation under the rule of the beast.

What then is the common tyhread of these two songs? LittleStar seems agitated to know. He does not agree with me on this. IT SHOULD NOT MATTER.

IMO the samenes of the two songs is that they both celebrate redemption and deliverance, by God. In Deut. it was about Gods physical release of Israel from Egypt's bondage through the Passover Lamb.

In the Revelation it is the spiritual liberation from the bondage of Satan and his demons through Christ our Passover (1 Corth. 5:7).

Little Star...if you disagree with that FINE. I DO NOT CARE. "But to disagree is no reason for your hot button to be pushed".


You said:
"So if you went to you bible, and opened it, you would of seen the errors of the pastor that I was talking with."

NOPE. They would have seen where you disagreed with me. That does not make it an error my friend.


You said:
"Some pastors cannot take correction, therefore they try and be-little anyone going against their mis-teachings".

You simply do not know me. You did not list any Scripture to support your opinions. How does anyone know YOU are the one who is correct?? Because you say so?? And again, why does it matter to you??? PRIDE of having to be right? FEAR of being wrong?? My friend, I have at many times spoken to hundreds of people at a time. Do you really think that everyone agrees with what I say to them. NO. But all of them that have not agreed have been ladies and gentlemen and ask questions and talked over the Scriptures in a civil way. We remained friends, brothers and sister in Christ. That way Christ gets the glory for how we act towards one another in His name. You have failed in this area completly.

Then you said....
"Then you I would go down the whole list of things that happened here on this thread, but it is not important. I took the time to write this to let you all know that just because someone uses the name of Jesus does not mean they are of God."

Now all of this comes after you said, "I am sincerely sorry".

My goodness Star. Now you not only attack my character, my education and ability to minister to others, you attack my relationship with the Lord Jesus. Why in heavens name would you feel the need to do all of this after directing an apology towards me? For the life of me, I just do not understand. It makes no sense to me. Maybe someone else can explain it for me. But you know what Star......

I FORGIVE YOU. That is my nature as a Christian.It is what the Lord Jesus commanded us to do, so I do it.
I know that you are a good person trying to do good.
I simply choose to not allow anyone else to effect my life and what I think and do because of the mis-actions of anyone else.
You and your words do not push any of my buttons as you called your reactions. I gave up anger a long time ago.
If you choose to ask anymore questions, I will freely try to answer them. If you choose to mock those Bible answers, instead of communicating over them, so be it. It is not a concern with me, but you will do damage to yourself as others read your stuff. They will be the ones who will judge you and the way you act, not me.

Luke 6:26
"Woe unto you when all men shall speak well of you! For so did their fathers to the false prophets. But I say unto you, which hear, love your enemies, do good to them which hate you".

John 7:24
"Judge not according to the appearance but judge righteous judgment".

Ephesians 5:6
"Let no man deceive you with vain words, for because of these cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience....therefore be not partakers with them. For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth and have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness but rather reprove them".

Ronald Reagan once said about believing whether or not the Russians were telling the truth about their nuclear weapons:

"BELIVE, AND VERIFY".

Do you fell like you "verified" your apology???

As for Hosea 8:11 being fulfilled because of our conversation, I believe all who read this know your thinly veiled intent. But just so that we are reading the Bible and trying to grasp what it says, I will respond to your statement.

To read 8:1, one must first read verse 1-10 as those verse give CONTEXT to the 11th verse. To long to list here but all of you please read them and take notice of verse 2. Amos has a vision of SUMMER FRUIT and then you see in verse #2 ..."THen said the Lord unto me, the end is come upon my people of ISRAEL, I will not again pass by them any more".

There is a day coming to Israel when famine shall be with judgment but it will be a famine from the Word Of God.
Isreal has shown its contemp for the Word of God from the beginning by trying to mix ritual with worship and it has lead to idoltary. God will grant Israel one more chance to come to Christ during the Tribulation Peroid.

Major, I don't feel trapped. And I guess before I do go back and re-read the thread, I have to say that somewhere along the line I am not seeing what you are seeing.
I think you gave me gave me Exodus chapter 15 as your response to my question of Rev. 15:3, but again I am saying this without going back and re-reading the thread. It is going to take some time for me to do that. Maybe I got confused and someone else said it. Hang in there, if I need to apologies for that, I will.
But again, I am not going to bow down to your opinions (figure of speech and don't put too much into that because it is the best I can come up right now). And as I see, you are a perfectionist in communications and if I mis a jot or tittle I am going to have my ass handed back to me by you.
And no, you mis-understood about me in the beginning about me saying I dis-like Baptist schools and their colleges. But if you want to take that as a personal attack go ahead.
Again, I will state it as clearly as I can, I dis-like Baptist schools and the colleges.. And again, if you want to take that as a personal attack on your character, then let it be. It is and has not been my thoughts at all. But, I did call you a college boy, meaning taught the bible by going to some bible school.
I know I made myself clear on that, at least it should be clear to a person such as your background.
SIMPLY, forgive my imperfections of expressing myself because of my handicap of having dyslexic issue's. How many times to I have to tell you that?
Here is what I am seeing from my end... from you, your words..
And even now, you still are doing it. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??? WHy did you feel the need to re-open a can of whupping again???
I like the part of whupping again... That is the biggest issue with you, how many you think you can whupp-ass on.
Kind of like I said how I see most pastors too! Power players, not really having any patients with anyone.
And I say it again that I did say it to you that I think pastors are power players. Want me to repeat it again?
Question" if you don't feel threaten, they why the large verbiage of response back? I guess my way of expressing myself does not appeal to you. That is fine.
You still validate your material again... lol
I will stand my stance, and still say, sorry to ya for the mis-understandings that we are still having.
But, I will not back down from Napel, Rapha, and a few other things I presented.
How about the sight I posted about the Baptist schools and the teachings? Nothing said about that sight.. Nothing said back by you about the fallen angels and I know you think Cain is what Gen. 6:2 is talking about. That is just fine by me..
What I see is this... You want to debate, and you want to debate until you are on top.. Whupping is what it is about,, your words, not mine...
Again, one more time.. Sorry that we cannot see eye to eye, on the subject we tried to talk about.
Again again, I am sorry for giving you a hard time...
I know your proud of your schooling, most pastors are....lol

OH, by he way,,, not one time did I say anything about your walk with the Lord..
But you dis-like the name of Kenites... seed of Cain which you think are the ones of Gen. 6:2.. lol
I am laughing with you pastor, not against ya..
But you can take my words as you see fit. again after all it is a whupping you want to give... lol


Star...I did list Ex. 15 as well as Deut. 32. Both refer to the song of Moses don't they? Ivestigate and please let me know if I am wrong.

I do not in any way want you to bow down to my opinions.
You have mis-understood something somewhere. Listen, if I post a verse, lets say Genesis 1:1 and say that God is the Creator and that verse is why I say that. If you come along and say that you do not agree...FINE. That is your right.
I do not even expect you to bow down to the Bible verse. That would be an act of slavery and I will not accept that. God will not accept that. If you disagree, OK. But there is no reason to become agitated at me.

Star, why do you think I am a perfectionist in comunication. I have to type with one hand and it shakes. I cannt see the screen without my glasses. I spell words wrong continuesly. I have never said one word about your comunication skills as I am as guilty as anyone here.

I do not care if you like or dislike Baptist schools.
I do not like Catholic schools.
My neighbor does not like Montazori schools.
My wife does not like Pentacostal schools.

I want to be totally honest with you. You were indeed sarcastic in your calling me a "college boy". You indeed meant it as a deragatory comment. Yes I went to a Bible college, but you are the one who asked for that info. I never volentered it as I was concerned that what would happen indeed did happen. Been there and done that.

Then yes, your trying to put me in with "power playing" pastors IS A Character attack. In fact I agree with you. There are POWER PLAYING PEOPLE in every single denomination on the face of this earth. That is why I am where I am. An average church where people just love on each other and do not fuss and fight. You do not know me!!!
You do not know if I am a Southern Baptist, Northern Baptist, Fellowship Baptist, Hard Shell Baptist, Indenendant Baptist or even a rattle snake handling Baptist. Any attempt is simply an assumption on your part and that is where the problem lies.

I do not expect you to "BACK DOWN". I do expect you to respect my understnading as I do yours. I did not post anything on Cain and Nephlia as I have done so already and doing it again will not change a thing.

In fact I have no desire to debate at all. I simply tried to answer some questions. You did not agree and hence we stand.

As for you saying that not one time did I attack your walk with the Lord.

Here is your exact quote:...............

"I would go down the whole list of things that happened here on this thread, but it is not important. I took the time to write this to let you all know that just because someone uses the name of Jesus does not mean they are of God."

Since it was you and me talking, and you apologized to ME, the only logical thought was that you were referring to me by saying "JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE USES THE NAME JESUS DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE OF GOD".
If you werEn't referring to me, so be it. I guess looks can be deceiving.

We can get along. We can be friends. I would like to be that with you. But just as you have said that you will not back down, the same goes for me. We can agree to disagree but still be civil doing it. The choice is yours.

What is the next move???

Yes.

All that work simply means that now you and he and I do not agree. Again, who cares???? I could copy and paste just as many people that say he is wrong: Example....

From "wrestedScriptures.com:

Satan, Devil and Demons

Contradictions
& Inaccuracies
Genesis 6:2
". . . the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Problem:
The "sons of God" are claimed by J.W.'s and others to have been angels who had sinned and spread evil by marrying the daughters of men. A J.W. publication puts it this way:

"To marry the daughters of men, those heavenly sons of God {angels} materialized human bodies, clothing themselves with fleshly bodies like those of men on earth . . . When the Flood came, those disobedient sons of God could not get into Noah's ark, and so, to escape from the floodwaters, they dematerialized, dissolved their assumed human bodies, and returned to the spirit realm. They were not admitted back to the heavenly family of God's perfect, sinless sons.

They were degraded to a very low state that the Bible calls 'Tartarus' . . . {J.W.'s teach they became the spirits in prison, 1 Peter 3:19, 20.} In view of this form of imprisonment those disobedient spirit 'sons of the true God' cannot materialize anymore and live like husbands with women. But they still keep as close as they can to mankind, especially to women, whom they prevail upon to serve as spirit mediums, fortune-tellers, clairvoyants, and so forth."1

Solution:
All existence in Scripture is bodily existence. Nothing is known in Scripture of "materializing" and "dematerializing" "assumed" bodies. J.W.s should be pressed hard for evidence to justify such a doctrine.

Luke 20:35, 36 is conclusive - angels do not marry: "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

"Sons of God" can refer to angels as it may in Job 38:7, but the expression is also used of men. (See Deut. 14:1, R.S.V.; Hosea 1:10; Luke 3:38; John 1:12; 1 John 3:1). In Genesis 6:2 the "sons of God" were the righteous line of Seth (Genesis 4:26)2 intermarrying with evil Cainites.

It is sometimes contended that only angel-human offspring could produce "nephilim" (mighty ones or giants, cf. Gen. 6:4). But the sons of Anak (Num. 13:33) were also giants, ("nephilim") and these were certainly not angel-human offspring, as they existed long after the flood.

Divine angels can not sin. They are "ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who will be heirs of salvation". (Heb. 1:14). These angels are not rebels, but do Yahweh's commandments, "hearkening unto the voice of his word . . . ministers of his, that do his pleasure." (Psa. 103:20, 21).

The "spirits in prison" passage in 1 Peter 3:19, 20 is considered elsewhere on this site.

So, Littlestar. you ask a lot of questions and belittle a lot of people and churches and pastors. Let me ask you a question. Are you a Jehovah's Witness member?

I know exactly what Matt.22:30 says. It is common sense, plain and clear and easy to understand. I read it understand it. It just can not be ignored.

But, If you choose to believe that demons (spirital) some how had sex with humans, fine. I DO NOT CARE.

Move on to something else!!!

Thanks ThreshingSword for your honesty and your sincerity, it is rare now days, and I appreciate you and respect you.
Thanks for you patience with me!
Blessings

>>I do disagree with you that there are only Satan's seed alive now. I also believe there are Nephilim, the offspring of fallen angels and human women, mixed in there too.<<

You do realize that Nephilim are giants, right? How many giant families do you see these days. NONE.

Why? - Because God did rid the earth of them, leaving only the serpent's seed.

And those 10 horns are satanic but are not human offspring of satan. These are some of Satan's followers (fallen angels) that will come with him when he comes as antichrist.

Yes.

All that work simply means that now you and he and I do not agree. Again, who cares???? I could copy and paste just as many people that say he is wrong: Example....

From "wrestedScriptures.com:

Satan, Devil and Demons

Contradictions
& Inaccuracies
Genesis 6:2
". . . the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Problem:
The "sons of God" are claimed by J.W.'s and others to have been angels who had sinned and spread evil by marrying the daughters of men. A J.W. publication puts it this way:

"To marry the daughters of men, those heavenly sons of God {angels} materialized human bodies, clothing themselves with fleshly bodies like those of men on earth . . . When the Flood came, those disobedient sons of God could not get into Noah's ark, and so, to escape from the floodwaters, they dematerialized, dissolved their assumed human bodies, and returned to the spirit realm. They were not admitted back to the heavenly family of God's perfect, sinless sons.

They were degraded to a very low state that the Bible calls 'Tartarus' . . . {J.W.'s teach they became the spirits in prison, 1 Peter 3:19, 20.} In view of this form of imprisonment those disobedient spirit 'sons of the true God' cannot materialize anymore and live like husbands with women. But they still keep as close as they can to mankind, especially to women, whom they prevail upon to serve as spirit mediums, fortune-tellers, clairvoyants, and so forth."1

Solution:
All existence in Scripture is bodily existence. Nothing is known in Scripture of "materializing" and "dematerializing" "assumed" bodies. J.W.s should be pressed hard for evidence to justify such a doctrine.

Luke 20:35, 36 is conclusive - angels do not marry: "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

"Sons of God" can refer to angels as it may in Job 38:7, but the expression is also used of men. (See Deut. 14:1, R.S.V.; Hosea 1:10; Luke 3:38; John 1:12; 1 John 3:1). In Genesis 6:2 the "sons of God" were the righteous line of Seth (Genesis 4:26)2 intermarrying with evil Cainites.

It is sometimes contended that only angel-human offspring could produce "nephilim" (mighty ones or giants, cf. Gen. 6:4). But the sons of Anak (Num. 13:33) were also giants, ("nephilim") and these were certainly not angel-human offspring, as they existed long after the flood.

Divine angels can not sin. They are "ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who will be heirs of salvation". (Heb. 1:14). These angels are not rebels, but do Yahweh's commandments, "hearkening unto the voice of his word . . . ministers of his, that do his pleasure." (Psa. 103:20, 21).

The "spirits in prison" passage in 1 Peter 3:19, 20 is considered elsewhere on this site.

So, Littlestar. you ask a lot of questions and belittle a lot of people and churches and pastors. Let me ask you a question. Are you a Jehovah's Witness member?

I know exactly what Matt.22:30 says. It is common sense, plain and clear and easy to understand. I read it understand it. It just can not be ignored.

But, If you choose to believe that demons (spirital) some how had sex with humans, fine. I DO NOT CARE.

Move on to something else!!!



Well now - you said all that but chose to ignore this:

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

It would seem that these little angels went somewhere and they did something very wrong - bad enough to be locked in chains.

Now, are you sure all angels are "ministering spirits"?

Yes we will gather back to Christ, for sure a "rapture", but not until after Satan comes.... We will be going through tribulations and Christ said so... Mark 13:24... But the wrath from God will not be pour out until the two witness's and us are gathered up...
My opinion and I am sticking to it.. lol

Thanks ThreshingSword for your honesty and your sincerity, it is rare now days, and I appreciate you and respect you.
Thanks for you patience with me!
Blessings


You're very welcome, and likewise.

Now, if you have time, can we please get back to talking about the NWO and how you can possibly think that it will be completely global in nature when Jesus returns? I just don't see that at all in reading the totality of the Bible. I'm probably only one of a few that think this way. Everyone else sees global NWO. A few examples of what I'm talking about are this:

Isaiah 2:2 - And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1 - But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Key words there being "in the last days." Wingedlion uses this verse a lot, also, to demonstrate the Davidic Kingdom being erected before the Lord returns to claim it.

All of Daniel 11 and 12, which talk about the King of the North and King of the South, how they will fight against each other but then come to an alliance. Then the King of the North dies, and a raiser of taxes takes his place, and after the raiser of taxes comes a "vile person" who sneaks his way into leadership of this kingdom by flatteries. He then is, I believe, the Antichrist.

It discusses the ships of Chittim coming against the Antichrist and the King of the South and his armies coming against him until the time of the end, when Jesus returns. I don't understand how you can spiritualize those happenings away, even the part where it gets so specific to talk about the King of the North having sons. Not everything in the Bible is meant to be spiritualized. I believe this whole chapter is one of those times where it is indeed literal but something that is in the future that we don't understand fully yet.

Your thoughts?

Yes we will gather back to Christ, for sure a "rapture", but not until after Satan comes.... We will be going through tribulations and Christ said so... Mark 13:24... But the wrath from God will not be pour out until the two witness's and us are gathered up...
My opinion and I am sticking to it.. lol



3rs Seal - Famine
(Rev 6:5-6) (Mat 24)

4th Seal - Death
(Rev 6:7-8) (Mat 24)

During the Seal Judgments, The Lord Jesus reveals
that the following event will take place; a sign.

Mathhew 24:15

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of
desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the
holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

again...

2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day ((The Day of The Lord, 6th Seal)) shall not
come, except there come a falling away first, and that man
of sin be revealed, the son of perdition," "Who opposeth
and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that
is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of
God, shewing himself that he is God."

Satan, the son of perdition, the man of sin will show
himself right here on earth, and Satan will sit in the
temple where Jesus Christ will build His temple, and
deceive the entire world into thinking that this filthy
liar Satan is Jesus Christ, is God. The entire world will
believe that Satan is God and worship him above all other
things and gods of the nations of the world. It is going to
happen, and Paul warns you not to be deceived by any means.
Not by your pastor and his fly away theories, not by your
government, or even your parents.

The whole world will worship the Beast.
When Satan comes as the beast he will have so much
power and authority that the whole world will marvel.

“And all the world marveled and followed the beast.”
Revelation 13:3

"Almost" everyone in the world will worship the beast.


5th Seal - Believers martyred (Rev 6:9-11 Matt 24:9-10)


A few people will choose to worship the Lamb instead of the
beast. Jesus is called the Lamb and Satan is called the
beast. The people who choose to worship the Lamb will have
their names written in the Lamb’s book of life. Everyone
else will worship the beast.

“All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names
have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain
from the foundation of the world.” Revelation 13:8

6th Seal - That Day, The sign; earthquake, sun darkened
Believers are raptured. (Rev 6:12-17) (Mat 24:29-31)
The time of the gentile ends.

"Tribulation" ends.

"God's Wrath" begins.

Sealing of God's servants (Israel)(Rev 7:3)
God turns to Israel.

7th Seal - The trumpet judgments begin (Rev 8:1-6)



The above is "not" taught today in most churches,
chapels or Gospel Halls.

The "pretrib doctrine" is taught today and backed up
with the "POPULAR" C.I.Scofield Reference Bible with
accompanying margin notes.

The popular "left behind" books and movies
are also based of Scofield's notes.

Is pretrib a teachings of man?

Scofield says Matthew 24 is for Israel, what????

Matthew 24 for Israel??, its the only way the pretrib
doctrine meshes together properly.

The Scofield notes and pretrib doctrine are based on the
teachings of John Darby.


What does The Lord Jesus say to the Apostles before
revealing the future to them in Matthew 24?

Mat 24:4 "take heed that no man deceive you"


We need to look at these things and pray on them.

>>I do disagree with you that there are only Satan's seed alive now. I also believe there are Nephilim, the offspring of fallen angels and human women, mixed in there too.<<

You do realize that Nephilim are giants, right? How many giant families do you see these days. NONE.

Why? - Because God did rid the earth of them, leaving only the serpent's seed.

And those 10 horns are satanic but are not human offspring of satan. These are some of Satan's followers (fallen angels) that will come with him when he comes as antichrist.


They were giants then, but the gigantism gene has long ago been bred out. I'll bet some still have six digits instead of five on their feet though...

I don't believe the 10 horns are as you say. I think they're 10 different Satanic bloodlines that exist on Earth right now. We'll see...

What Bible verse would you quote to show that the Antichrist is indeed Satan?.

How do you explain the 2 witnesss and the 144,000 if indeed it is the nation of Israel in chapter 7,why is John specific that it is 12,000 from each tribe?

Who are the "multitudes" that are saved?

If the church is to go through the Tribulation, what would be the purpose for it?

When then will the Rapture take place?

Thanks ThreshingSword for your honesty and your sincerity, it is rare now days, and I appreciate you and respect you.
Thanks for you patience with me!
Blessings


You're very welcome, and likewise.

Now, if you have time, can we please get back to talking about the NWO and how you can possibly think that it will be completely global in nature when Jesus returns? I just don't see that at all in reading the totality of the Bible. I'm probably only one of a few that think this way. Everyone else sees global NWO. A few examples of what I'm talking about are this:

Isaiah 2:2 - And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1 - But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Key words there being "in the last days." Wingedlion uses this verse a lot, also, to demonstrate the Davidic Kingdom being erected before the Lord returns to claim it.

All of Daniel 11 and 12, which talk about the King of the North and King of the South, how they will fight against each other but then come to an alliance. Then the King of the North dies, and a raiser of taxes takes his place, and after the raiser of taxes comes a "vile person" who sneaks his way into leadership of this kingdom by flatteries. He then is, I believe, the Antichrist.

It discusses the ships of Chittim coming against the Antichrist and the King of the South and his armies coming against him until the time of the end, when Jesus returns. I don't understand how you can spiritualize those happenings away, even the part where it gets so specific to talk about the King of the North having sons. Not everything in the Bible is meant to be spiritualized. I believe this whole chapter is one of those times where it is indeed literal but something that is in the future that we don't understand fully yet.

Your thoughts?


For me, I agree with littlestar. I belive the Scriptures describe a world wide new order which is headed by the Antichrist.

One must read the Revelation carefully to see that Israel nor the church is in charge right before CHrist returns.

The kingdom is not established until AFTER Aremgaddon, not before. The fact is that is Jesus does not come again, man will destroy himself. The church does not and Israel does not win over the A/C and then hand over the earth to Jesus. It is the other way around.

>>I do disagree with you that there are only Satan's seed alive now. I also believe there are Nephilim, the offspring of fallen angels and human women, mixed in there too.<<

You do realize that Nephilim are giants, right? How many giant families do you see these days. NONE.

Why? - Because God did rid the earth of them, leaving only the serpent's seed.

And those 10 horns are satanic but are not human offspring of satan. These are some of Satan's followers (fallen angels) that will come with him when he comes as antichrist.


They were giants then, but the gigantism gene has long ago been bred out. I'll bet some still have six digits instead of five on their feet though...

I don't believe the 10 horns are as you say. I think they're 10 different Satanic bloodlines that exist on Earth right now. We'll see...


Really???

How about Shaquill Oneal.
Wilt Chamberlin.
Andre the Giant.
Refrigerator Perry.
HUgh Green.
Chester Hall.

Have you condsidered that the 10 horns might be the Revived Roman Empire 0f Daniel 7:20-27?

Give it some thought.

If the church is to go through the Tribulation, what would be the purpose for it?