Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days

Yes we will gather back to Christ, for sure a "rapture", but not until after Satan comes.... We will be going through tribulations and Christ said so... Mark 13:24... But the wrath from God will not be pour out until the two witness's and us are gathered up...
My opinion and I am sticking to it.. lol



3rs Seal - Famine
(Rev 6:5-6) (Mat 24)

4th Seal - Death
(Rev 6:7-8) (Mat 24)

During the Seal Judgments, The Lord Jesus reveals
that the following event will take place; a sign.

Mathhew 24:15

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of
desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the
holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

again...

2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day ((The Day of The Lord, 6th Seal)) shall not
come, except there come a falling away first, and that man
of sin be revealed, the son of perdition," "Who opposeth
and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that
is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of
God, shewing himself that he is God."

Satan, the son of perdition, the man of sin will show
himself right here on earth, and Satan will sit in the
temple where Jesus Christ will build His temple, and
deceive the entire world into thinking that this filthy
liar Satan is Jesus Christ, is God. The entire world will
believe that Satan is God and worship him above all other
things and gods of the nations of the world. It is going to
happen, and Paul warns you not to be deceived by any means.
Not by your pastor and his fly away theories, not by your
government, or even your parents.

The whole world will worship the Beast.
When Satan comes as the beast he will have so much
power and authority that the whole world will marvel.

“And all the world marveled and followed the beast.”
Revelation 13:3

"Almost" everyone in the world will worship the beast.


5th Seal - Believers martyred (Rev 6:9-11 Matt 24:9-10)


A few people will choose to worship the Lamb instead of the
beast. Jesus is called the Lamb and Satan is called the
beast. The people who choose to worship the Lamb will have
their names written in the Lamb’s book of life. Everyone
else will worship the beast.

“All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names
have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain
from the foundation of the world.” Revelation 13:8

6th Seal - That Day, The sign; earthquake, sun darkened
Believers are raptured. (Rev 6:12-17) (Mat 24:29-31)
The time of the gentile ends.

"Tribulation" ends.

"God's Wrath" begins.

Sealing of God's servants (Israel)(Rev 7:3)
God turns to Israel.

7th Seal - The trumpet judgments begin (Rev 8:1-6)



The above is "not" taught today in most churches,
chapels or Gospel Halls.

The "pretrib doctrine" is taught today and backed up
with the "POPULAR" C.I.Scofield Reference Bible with
accompanying margin notes.

The popular "left behind" books and movies
are also based of Scofield's notes.

Is pretrib a teachings of man?

Scofield says Matthew 24 is for Israel, what????

Matthew 24 for Israel??, its the only way the pretrib
doctrine meshes together properly.

The Scofield notes and pretrib doctrine are based on the
teachings of John Darby.


What does The Lord Jesus say to the Apostles before
revealing the future to them in Matthew 24?

Mat 24:4 "take heed that no man deceive you"


We need to look at these things and pray on them.

Yes.

All that work simply means that now you and he and I do not agree. Again, who cares???? I could copy and paste just as many people that say he is wrong: Example....

From "wrestedScriptures.com:

Satan, Devil and Demons

Contradictions
& Inaccuracies
Genesis 6:2
". . . the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Problem:
The "sons of God" are claimed by J.W.'s and others to have been angels who had sinned and spread evil by marrying the daughters of men. A J.W. publication puts it this way:

"To marry the daughters of men, those heavenly sons of God {angels} materialized human bodies, clothing themselves with fleshly bodies like those of men on earth . . . When the Flood came, those disobedient sons of God could not get into Noah's ark, and so, to escape from the floodwaters, they dematerialized, dissolved their assumed human bodies, and returned to the spirit realm. They were not admitted back to the heavenly family of God's perfect, sinless sons.

They were degraded to a very low state that the Bible calls 'Tartarus' . . . {J.W.'s teach they became the spirits in prison, 1 Peter 3:19, 20.} In view of this form of imprisonment those disobedient spirit 'sons of the true God' cannot materialize anymore and live like husbands with women. But they still keep as close as they can to mankind, especially to women, whom they prevail upon to serve as spirit mediums, fortune-tellers, clairvoyants, and so forth."1

Solution:
All existence in Scripture is bodily existence. Nothing is known in Scripture of "materializing" and "dematerializing" "assumed" bodies. J.W.s should be pressed hard for evidence to justify such a doctrine.

Luke 20:35, 36 is conclusive - angels do not marry: "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

"Sons of God" can refer to angels as it may in Job 38:7, but the expression is also used of men. (See Deut. 14:1, R.S.V.; Hosea 1:10; Luke 3:38; John 1:12; 1 John 3:1). In Genesis 6:2 the "sons of God" were the righteous line of Seth (Genesis 4:26)2 intermarrying with evil Cainites.

It is sometimes contended that only angel-human offspring could produce "nephilim" (mighty ones or giants, cf. Gen. 6:4). But the sons of Anak (Num. 13:33) were also giants, ("nephilim") and these were certainly not angel-human offspring, as they existed long after the flood.

Divine angels can not sin. They are "ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who will be heirs of salvation". (Heb. 1:14). These angels are not rebels, but do Yahweh's commandments, "hearkening unto the voice of his word . . . ministers of his, that do his pleasure." (Psa. 103:20, 21).

The "spirits in prison" passage in 1 Peter 3:19, 20 is considered elsewhere on this site.

So, Littlestar. you ask a lot of questions and belittle a lot of people and churches and pastors. Let me ask you a question. Are you a Jehovah's Witness member?

I know exactly what Matt.22:30 says. It is common sense, plain and clear and easy to understand. I read it understand it. It just can not be ignored.

But, If you choose to believe that demons (spirital) some how had sex with humans, fine. I DO NOT CARE.

Move on to something else!!!

Whenever I see "date setting" I remember Matthew 24 that says no one knows the day or the hour... not even the Son.

This does NOT mean we will not be aware we are at "the time of the end".
Matthew 24 also tells us that it will be like a woman in labor... the closer it gets, the closer we will know we are BY WHAT IS HAPPENING.

Those that have their head up their butt, who are NOT WATCHING WHAT IS HAPPENING, as the Bible commands, will be like the foolish virgins in Matthew 25.... but DATE setting is not Biblical.

A side note is that the EMERGING CHURCH considers WATCHING for Christ's return Anathema. RICK WARREN follows the teachings of ROBERT SCHULLER... who follows the teachings of ALICE BAILEY on this subject. "Don't worry about Bible Prophesy, concentrate on your relationship with the creator".
ALICE BAILEY of course coined the term NEW AGE and followed the teachings of MADAM BLAVATSKY, who founded the THEOSOPHY movement.... the precursor to the MODERN SATANISM.Be aware of where you are being fed folks.Don't be one of the Foolish Virgins!!!!!!!

Yes we will gather back to Christ, for sure a "rapture", but not until after Satan comes.... We will be going through tribulations and Christ said so... Mark 13:24... But the wrath from God will not be pour out until the two witness's and us are gathered up...
My opinion and I am sticking to it.. lol



3rs Seal - Famine
(Rev 6:5-6) (Mat 24)

4th Seal - Death
(Rev 6:7-8) (Mat 24)

During the Seal Judgments, The Lord Jesus reveals
that the following event will take place; a sign.

Mathhew 24:15

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of
desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the
holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

again...

2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day ((The Day of The Lord, 6th Seal)) shall not
come, except there come a falling away first, and that man
of sin be revealed, the son of perdition," "Who opposeth
and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that
is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of
God, shewing himself that he is God."

Satan, the son of perdition, the man of sin will show
himself right here on earth, and Satan will sit in the
temple where Jesus Christ will build His temple, and
deceive the entire world into thinking that this filthy
liar Satan is Jesus Christ, is God. The entire world will
believe that Satan is God and worship him above all other
things and gods of the nations of the world. It is going to
happen, and Paul warns you not to be deceived by any means.
Not by your pastor and his fly away theories, not by your
government, or even your parents.

The whole world will worship the Beast.
When Satan comes as the beast he will have so much
power and authority that the whole world will marvel.

“And all the world marveled and followed the beast.”
Revelation 13:3

"Almost" everyone in the world will worship the beast.


5th Seal - Believers martyred (Rev 6:9-11 Matt 24:9-10)


A few people will choose to worship the Lamb instead of the
beast. Jesus is called the Lamb and Satan is called the
beast. The people who choose to worship the Lamb will have
their names written in the Lamb’s book of life. Everyone
else will worship the beast.

“All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names
have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain
from the foundation of the world.” Revelation 13:8

6th Seal - That Day, The sign; earthquake, sun darkened
Believers are raptured. (Rev 6:12-17) (Mat 24:29-31)
The time of the gentile ends.

"Tribulation" ends.

"God's Wrath" begins.

Sealing of God's servants (Israel)(Rev 7:3)
God turns to Israel.

7th Seal - The trumpet judgments begin (Rev 8:1-6)



The above is "not" taught today in most churches,
chapels or Gospel Halls.

The "pretrib doctrine" is taught today and backed up
with the "POPULAR" C.I.Scofield Reference Bible with
accompanying margin notes.

The popular "left behind" books and movies
are also based of Scofield's notes.

Is pretrib a teachings of man?

Scofield says Matthew 24 is for Israel, what????

Matthew 24 for Israel??, its the only way the pretrib
doctrine meshes together properly.

The Scofield notes and pretrib doctrine are based on the
teachings of John Darby.


What does The Lord Jesus say to the Apostles before
revealing the future to them in Matthew 24?

Mat 24:4 "take heed that no man deceive you"


We need to look at these things and pray on them.


May I ask you a few questions?

What Bible verse would you quote to show that the Antichrist is indeed Satan?.

How do you explain the 2 witnesss and the 144,000 if indeed it is the nation of Israel in chapter 7,why is John specific that it is 12,000 from each tribe?

Who are the "multitudes" that are saved?

If the church is to go through the Tribulation, what would be the purpose for it?

When then will the Rapture take place?

Romans 12:2

... be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind,
that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable,
and perfect, will of God.

God Bless

ps Hello Little Star and Major,
brothers in Christ and fellow servants
of our Almighty Heavenly Father and God.

No Major I am not a JW..
You really assume lots about people, not only have you done this to me at least twice, but several others.

I have no denominational title that I can say is mine other than Jesus is my master, my teacher, my Lord.

Yes.

All that work simply means that now you and he and I do not agree. Again, who cares???? I could copy and paste just as many people that say he is wrong: Example....

From "wrestedScriptures.com:

Satan, Devil and Demons

Contradictions
& Inaccuracies
Genesis 6:2
". . . the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Problem:
The "sons of God" are claimed by J.W.'s and others to have been angels who had sinned and spread evil by marrying the daughters of men. A J.W. publication puts it this way:

"To marry the daughters of men, those heavenly sons of God {angels} materialized human bodies, clothing themselves with fleshly bodies like those of men on earth . . . When the Flood came, those disobedient sons of God could not get into Noah's ark, and so, to escape from the floodwaters, they dematerialized, dissolved their assumed human bodies, and returned to the spirit realm. They were not admitted back to the heavenly family of God's perfect, sinless sons.

They were degraded to a very low state that the Bible calls 'Tartarus' . . . {J.W.'s teach they became the spirits in prison, 1 Peter 3:19, 20.} In view of this form of imprisonment those disobedient spirit 'sons of the true God' cannot materialize anymore and live like husbands with women. But they still keep as close as they can to mankind, especially to women, whom they prevail upon to serve as spirit mediums, fortune-tellers, clairvoyants, and so forth."1

Solution:
All existence in Scripture is bodily existence. Nothing is known in Scripture of "materializing" and "dematerializing" "assumed" bodies. J.W.s should be pressed hard for evidence to justify such a doctrine.

Luke 20:35, 36 is conclusive - angels do not marry: "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

"Sons of God" can refer to angels as it may in Job 38:7, but the expression is also used of men. (See Deut. 14:1, R.S.V.; Hosea 1:10; Luke 3:38; John 1:12; 1 John 3:1). In Genesis 6:2 the "sons of God" were the righteous line of Seth (Genesis 4:26)2 intermarrying with evil Cainites.

It is sometimes contended that only angel-human offspring could produce "nephilim" (mighty ones or giants, cf. Gen. 6:4). But the sons of Anak (Num. 13:33) were also giants, ("nephilim") and these were certainly not angel-human offspring, as they existed long after the flood.

Divine angels can not sin. They are "ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who will be heirs of salvation". (Heb. 1:14). These angels are not rebels, but do Yahweh's commandments, "hearkening unto the voice of his word . . . ministers of his, that do his pleasure." (Psa. 103:20, 21).

The "spirits in prison" passage in 1 Peter 3:19, 20 is considered elsewhere on this site.

So, Littlestar. you ask a lot of questions and belittle a lot of people and churches and pastors. Let me ask you a question. Are you a Jehovah's Witness member?

I know exactly what Matt.22:30 says. It is common sense, plain and clear and easy to understand. I read it understand it. It just can not be ignored.

But, If you choose to believe that demons (spirital) some how had sex with humans, fine. I DO NOT CARE.

Move on to something else!!!

I declared up front about me personally loathing cutting and pasting. I said I hated it. But I also declared that I was using that sight as a quick way to cut my time short in proving my stance. I do have a personal life and I have my own biz to take care while I am chatting with you so forgive me for cutting and pasting. It seems as I have pointed out many times before, and long before I have met you here on glp that most pastors do not want to be taught anything. And God forbid the one who trys to teach them because all hell will break loose on the one trying to teach them something that goes beyond their traditions.
Major, you can take that statement any way you wish. I hope it is a way for you to understand that the main reason that the following away from God in the end times comes by the way of mens "pride" and "vanities". (This backs up my reason for making my statement, don't take it personally..)(I don't know you, as you said before..lol)
See, you can try and explain away many things with your teachings. But one thing I teach you cannot explain away, because Christ teaches us all in Mark 13:11 that the Holy Spirit is going to fall on some when Satan is here and they shall reveal Satan to the whole world at that time. And as I said before many times before I have ever met you, that Romans 11:4 ( 1 Kings 19:18 second witness scripture)backs up Christ in the amount that have been chosen to have the Holy Spirit speak through them in the hour of temptation. (Below defines Baal symbolically)
Finally, the word “Arba” is also necessary for a complete study of our subject. “Arba” is a Hebrew word brought into the English Bible untranslated. This word carries a dual meaning. It means both “four” and “strength of Baal.” Four is the Bible number associated with “the flesh, the natural man, or humanity.” Baal is the dumb idol which personifies Satan himself. In essence, “Arba” and those who descended from him were used by Satan after the flood to infiltrate the human race, and attempt to establish Satanic control over humanity. The word “Arba” occurs 3 times in the Old Testament. See Genesis 35:27, Joshua 14:15 [in Italics], 15:13, and 21:11.

Now as you understand that when you read Romans 11:4 you will see the deeper meaning of the symbolics of Baal which is to say, Satan.
It seems to me Major that I am not the only one seeing some errors on what you are presenting. (Not trying to offend you)because there have been a couple of people helping me out and I have not idea who they are and they understand what I am poorly trying to share and they must agree with me on what I am saying. (But, and say again, But that is not important that they do). Just pointing that out like you did with your secretary laughing at me... lol
Take at easy Major.. I have a huge sense of humor, and I am trying to keep things in a lighter mode so I don't offend you and have you go stomping off upset... lol
Stop and think why I gave personal testimony about my home church pastor and what he did to me in that church when I attended it. Think about that real hard! (NOT attacking your character at all so if you come back and say I am, then that tells me quite a bit about you as a pastor.)
Cain is the seed line from Satan, and you made a mistake in saying Cainites. Not correct way of saying the decedents of Cain. It is said like this;;;; KENITES! Maybe I should not of presented it that way, but I will let it stand...(I just keep pointing out todays rulers of the world is why I say KENITES)
Okay, now that I have done that little correction, I can count on getting a whupping... Just kidding, and laughing at my end, and forgive my joking around with ya a bit... I am still trying to keep things a bit easy... lol
WE love ya Major... that is the bottom line..

Yes we will gather back to Christ, for sure a "rapture", but not until after Satan comes.... We will be going through tribulations and Christ said so... Mark 13:24... But the wrath from God will not be pour out until the two witness's and us are gathered up...
My opinion and I am sticking to it.. lol



3rs Seal - Famine
(Rev 6:5-6) (Mat 24)

4th Seal - Death
(Rev 6:7-8) (Mat 24)

During the Seal Judgments, The Lord Jesus reveals
that the following event will take place; a sign.

Mathhew 24:15

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of
desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the
holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

again...

2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day ((The Day of The Lord, 6th Seal)) shall not
come, except there come a falling away first, and that man
of sin be revealed, the son of perdition," "Who opposeth
and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that
is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of
God, shewing himself that he is God."

Satan, the son of perdition, the man of sin will show
himself right here on earth, and Satan will sit in the
temple where Jesus Christ will build His temple, and
deceive the entire world into thinking that this filthy
liar Satan is Jesus Christ, is God. The entire world will
believe that Satan is God and worship him above all other
things and gods of the nations of the world. It is going to
happen, and Paul warns you not to be deceived by any means.
Not by your pastor and his fly away theories, not by your
government, or even your parents.

The whole world will worship the Beast.
When Satan comes as the beast he will have so much
power and authority that the whole world will marvel.

“And all the world marveled and followed the beast.”
Revelation 13:3

"Almost" everyone in the world will worship the beast.


5th Seal - Believers martyred (Rev 6:9-11 Matt 24:9-10)


A few people will choose to worship the Lamb instead of the
beast. Jesus is called the Lamb and Satan is called the
beast. The people who choose to worship the Lamb will have
their names written in the Lamb’s book of life. Everyone
else will worship the beast.

“All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names
have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain
from the foundation of the world.” Revelation 13:8

6th Seal - That Day, The sign; earthquake, sun darkened
Believers are raptured. (Rev 6:12-17) (Mat 24:29-31)
The time of the gentile ends.

"Tribulation" ends.

"God's Wrath" begins.

Sealing of God's servants (Israel)(Rev 7:3)
God turns to Israel.

7th Seal - The trumpet judgments begin (Rev 8:1-6)



The above is "not" taught today in most churches,
chapels or Gospel Halls.

The "pretrib doctrine" is taught today and backed up
with the "POPULAR" C.I.Scofield Reference Bible with
accompanying margin notes.

The popular "left behind" books and movies
are also based of Scofield's notes.

Is pretrib a teachings of man?

Scofield says Matthew 24 is for Israel, what????

Matthew 24 for Israel??, its the only way the pretrib
doctrine meshes together properly.

The Scofield notes and pretrib doctrine are based on the
teachings of John Darby.


What does The Lord Jesus say to the Apostles before
revealing the future to them in Matthew 24?

Mat 24:4 "take heed that no man deceive you"


We need to look at these things and pray on them.


May I ask you a few questions?

What Bible verse would you quote to show that the Antichrist is indeed Satan?.

How do you explain the 2 witnesss and the 144,000 if indeed it is the nation of Israel in chapter 7,why is John specific that it is 12,000 from each tribe?

Who are the "multitudes" that are saved?

If the church is to go through the Tribulation, what would be the purpose for it?

When then will the Rapture take place?

I have answered all those questions for you Major.. See above...
There is more if you need it..
I guess you don't have a full grasp as to who the "son of perdition" is...
Here, let me put it this way by asking you this simple question...
Who is the only entity that has been judged already? We know the angels of Jude 6 are being held in chains. But has any other human that has ever lived; have they been judged yet? Answer should be No in your mind..
So Satan is the only one that has been judge to go into perdition.......
Want more, I can give it..

Here is a question for you Major that you can rack your mind about.
Rev. 11:13 speaks of men there. They are angels not men...
Boy I know I opened a can of something there...lol
Who does that stomping to the ground of those 7000 men?
Christ does that when He shows up...
Satan has 7000 bad angels, and God has chosen 7000 to stand against them...(very equal wouldn't you say. )
7000 of Gods chosen again Romans 11:4...

Here is a question for you Major that you can rack your mind about.
Rev. 11:13 speaks of men there. They are angels not men...
Boy I know I opened a can of something there...lol
Who does that stomping to the ground of those 7000 men?
Christ does that when He shows up...
Satan has 7000 bad angels, and God has chosen 7000 to stand against them...(very equal wouldn't you say. )
7000 of Gods chosen again Romans 11:4...

I want to quote this verse also for you Major..
Genesis 3:15" And I (God) will put enmity between thee (Satan, serpent, tree of knowledge of good and evil)and the woman, and between thy seed (Kenites) and her Seed (My King James has the S in caps for a reason, showing seed line from which Christ will come through by the way of Mary); It (Jesus) shall bruise they head, and thou shalt bruise His(H in caps showing it to be Christ hanging on the cross)heel."
If Satan seduced Eve, and had an offspring, why can't the fallen angels do the same?

I know you will never see this as being correct, but that is fine. That is why God has chosen 7000 to reveal Satan because of the scorpion teachings,, referring to Rev. 9:3 and verse 5 of which those fallen angels will be mis-leading, but many Kenites rule over a multitude of schools around the world today. ( Those Kenites scorpions do not want anyone to find out who they are and what they are doing...)

Yes.

All that work simply means that now you and he and I do not agree. Again, who cares???? I could copy and paste just as many people that say he is wrong: Example....

From "wrestedScriptures.com:

Satan, Devil and Demons

Contradictions
& Inaccuracies
Genesis 6:2
". . . the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Problem:
The "sons of God" are claimed by J.W.'s and others to have been angels who had sinned and spread evil by marrying the daughters of men. A J.W. publication puts it this way:

"To marry the daughters of men, those heavenly sons of God {angels} materialized human bodies, clothing themselves with fleshly bodies like those of men on earth . . . When the Flood came, those disobedient sons of God could not get into Noah's ark, and so, to escape from the floodwaters, they dematerialized, dissolved their assumed human bodies, and returned to the spirit realm. They were not admitted back to the heavenly family of God's perfect, sinless sons.

They were degraded to a very low state that the Bible calls 'Tartarus' . . . {J.W.'s teach they became the spirits in prison, 1 Peter 3:19, 20.} In view of this form of imprisonment those disobedient spirit 'sons of the true God' cannot materialize anymore and live like husbands with women. But they still keep as close as they can to mankind, especially to women, whom they prevail upon to serve as spirit mediums, fortune-tellers, clairvoyants, and so forth."1

Solution:
All existence in Scripture is bodily existence. Nothing is known in Scripture of "materializing" and "dematerializing" "assumed" bodies. J.W.s should be pressed hard for evidence to justify such a doctrine.

Luke 20:35, 36 is conclusive - angels do not marry: "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

"Sons of God" can refer to angels as it may in Job 38:7, but the expression is also used of men. (See Deut. 14:1, R.S.V.; Hosea 1:10; Luke 3:38; John 1:12; 1 John 3:1). In Genesis 6:2 the "sons of God" were the righteous line of Seth (Genesis 4:26)2 intermarrying with evil Cainites.

It is sometimes contended that only angel-human offspring could produce "nephilim" (mighty ones or giants, cf. Gen. 6:4). But the sons of Anak (Num. 13:33) were also giants, ("nephilim") and these were certainly not angel-human offspring, as they existed long after the flood.

Divine angels can not sin. They are "ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who will be heirs of salvation". (Heb. 1:14). These angels are not rebels, but do Yahweh's commandments, "hearkening unto the voice of his word . . . ministers of his, that do his pleasure." (Psa. 103:20, 21).

The "spirits in prison" passage in 1 Peter 3:19, 20 is considered elsewhere on this site.

So, Littlestar. you ask a lot of questions and belittle a lot of people and churches and pastors. Let me ask you a question. Are you a Jehovah's Witness member?

I know exactly what Matt.22:30 says. It is common sense, plain and clear and easy to understand. I read it understand it. It just can not be ignored.

But, If you choose to believe that demons (spirital) some how had sex with humans, fine. I DO NOT CARE.

Move on to something else!!!

I declared up front about me personally loathing cutting and pasting. I said I hated it. But I also declared that I was using that sight as a quick way to cut my time short in proving my stance. I do have a personal life and I have my own biz to take care while I am chatting with you so forgive me for cutting and pasting. It seems as I have pointed out many times before, and long before I have met you here on glp that most pastors do not want to be taught anything. And God forbid the one who trys to teach them because all hell will break loose on the one trying to teach them something that goes beyond their traditions.
Major, you can take that statement any way you wish. I hope it is a way for you to understand that the main reason that the following away from God in the end times comes by the way of mens "pride" and "vanities". (This backs up my reason for making my statement, don't take it personally..)(I don't know you, as you said before..lol)
See, you can try and explain away many things with your teachings. But one thing I teach you cannot explain away, because Christ teaches us all in Mark 13:11 that the Holy Spirit is going to fall on some when Satan is here and they shall reveal Satan to the whole world at that time. And as I said before many times before I have ever met you, that Romans 11:4 ( 1 Kings 19:18 second witness scripture)backs up Christ in the amount that have been chosen to have the Holy Spirit speak through them in the hour of temptation. (Below defines Baal symbolically)
Finally, the word “Arba” is also necessary for a complete study of our subject. “Arba” is a Hebrew word brought into the English Bible untranslated. This word carries a dual meaning. It means both “four” and “strength of Baal.” Four is the Bible number associated with “the flesh, the natural man, or humanity.” Baal is the dumb idol which personifies Satan himself. In essence, “Arba” and those who descended from him were used by Satan after the flood to infiltrate the human race, and attempt to establish Satanic control over humanity. The word “Arba” occurs 3 times in the Old Testament. See Genesis 35:27, Joshua 14:15 [in Italics], 15:13, and 21:11.

Now as you understand that when you read Romans 11:4 you will see the deeper meaning of the symbolics of Baal which is to say, Satan.
It seems to me Major that I am not the only one seeing some errors on what you are presenting. (Not trying to offend you)because there have been a couple of people helping me out and I have not idea who they are and they understand what I am poorly trying to share and they must agree with me on what I am saying. (But, and say again, But that is not important that they do). Just pointing that out like you did with your secretary laughing at me... lol
Take at easy Major.. I have a huge sense of humor, and I am trying to keep things in a lighter mode so I don't offend you and have you go stomping off upset... lol
Stop and think why I gave personal testimony about my home church pastor and what he did to me in that church when I attended it. Think about that real hard! (NOT attacking your character at all so if you come back and say I am, then that tells me quite a bit about you as a pastor.)
Cain is the seed line from Satan, and you made a mistake in saying Cainites. Not correct way of saying the decedents of Cain. It is said like this;;;; KENITES! Maybe I should not of presented it that way, but I will let it stand...(I just keep pointing out todays rulers of the world is why I say KENITES)
Okay, now that I have done that little correction, I can count on getting a whupping... Just kidding, and laughing at my end, and forgive my joking around with ya a bit... I am still trying to keep things a bit easy... lol
WE love ya Major... that is the bottom line..

Yes.

All that work simply means that now you and he and I do not agree. Again, who cares???? I could copy and paste just as many people that say he is wrong: Example....

From "wrestedScriptures.com:

Satan, Devil and Demons

Contradictions
& Inaccuracies
Genesis 6:2
". . . the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Problem:
The "sons of God" are claimed by J.W.'s and others to have been angels who had sinned and spread evil by marrying the daughters of men. A J.W. publication puts it this way:

"To marry the daughters of men, those heavenly sons of God {angels} materialized human bodies, clothing themselves with fleshly bodies like those of men on earth . . . When the Flood came, those disobedient sons of God could not get into Noah's ark, and so, to escape from the floodwaters, they dematerialized, dissolved their assumed human bodies, and returned to the spirit realm. They were not admitted back to the heavenly family of God's perfect, sinless sons.

They were degraded to a very low state that the Bible calls 'Tartarus' . . . {J.W.'s teach they became the spirits in prison, 1 Peter 3:19, 20.} In view of this form of imprisonment those disobedient spirit 'sons of the true God' cannot materialize anymore and live like husbands with women. But they still keep as close as they can to mankind, especially to women, whom they prevail upon to serve as spirit mediums, fortune-tellers, clairvoyants, and so forth."1

Solution:
All existence in Scripture is bodily existence. Nothing is known in Scripture of "materializing" and "dematerializing" "assumed" bodies. J.W.s should be pressed hard for evidence to justify such a doctrine.

Luke 20:35, 36 is conclusive - angels do not marry: "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

"Sons of God" can refer to angels as it may in Job 38:7, but the expression is also used of men. (See Deut. 14:1, R.S.V.; Hosea 1:10; Luke 3:38; John 1:12; 1 John 3:1). In Genesis 6:2 the "sons of God" were the righteous line of Seth (Genesis 4:26)2 intermarrying with evil Cainites.

It is sometimes contended that only angel-human offspring could produce "nephilim" (mighty ones or giants, cf. Gen. 6:4). But the sons of Anak (Num. 13:33) were also giants, ("nephilim") and these were certainly not angel-human offspring, as they existed long after the flood.

Divine angels can not sin. They are "ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who will be heirs of salvation". (Heb. 1:14). These angels are not rebels, but do Yahweh's commandments, "hearkening unto the voice of his word . . . ministers of his, that do his pleasure." (Psa. 103:20, 21).

The "spirits in prison" passage in 1 Peter 3:19, 20 is considered elsewhere on this site.

So, Littlestar. you ask a lot of questions and belittle a lot of people and churches and pastors. Let me ask you a question. Are you a Jehovah's Witness member?

I know exactly what Matt.22:30 says. It is common sense, plain and clear and easy to understand. I read it understand it. It just can not be ignored.

But, If you choose to believe that demons (spirital) some how had sex with humans, fine. I DO NOT CARE.

Move on to something else!!!

I declared up front about me personally loathing cutting and pasting. I said I hated it. But I also declared that I was using that sight as a quick way to cut my time short in proving my stance. I do have a personal life and I have my own biz to take care while I am chatting with you so forgive me for cutting and pasting. It seems as I have pointed out many times before, and long before I have met you here on glp that most pastors do not want to be taught anything. And God forbid the one who trys to teach them because all hell will break loose on the one trying to teach them something that goes beyond their traditions.
Major, you can take that statement any way you wish. I hope it is a way for you to understand that the main reason that the following away from God in the end times comes by the way of mens "pride" and "vanities". (This backs up my reason for making my statement, don't take it personally..)(I don't know you, as you said before..lol)
See, you can try and explain away many things with your teachings. But one thing I teach you cannot explain away, because Christ teaches us all in Mark 13:11 that the Holy Spirit is going to fall on some when Satan is here and they shall reveal Satan to the whole world at that time. And as I said before many times before I have ever met you, that Romans 11:4 ( 1 Kings 19:18 second witness scripture)backs up Christ in the amount that have been chosen to have the Holy Spirit speak through them in the hour of temptation. (Below defines Baal symbolically)
Finally, the word “Arba” is also necessary for a complete study of our subject. “Arba” is a Hebrew word brought into the English Bible untranslated. This word carries a dual meaning. It means both “four” and “strength of Baal.” Four is the Bible number associated with “the flesh, the natural man, or humanity.” Baal is the dumb idol which personifies Satan himself. In essence, “Arba” and those who descended from him were used by Satan after the flood to infiltrate the human race, and attempt to establish Satanic control over humanity. The word “Arba” occurs 3 times in the Old Testament. See Genesis 35:27, Joshua 14:15 [in Italics], 15:13, and 21:11.

Now as you understand that when you read Romans 11:4 you will see the deeper meaning of the symbolics of Baal which is to say, Satan.
It seems to me Major that I am not the only one seeing some errors on what you are presenting. (Not trying to offend you)because there have been a couple of people helping me out and I have not idea who they are and they understand what I am poorly trying to share and they must agree with me on what I am saying. (But, and say again, But that is not important that they do). Just pointing that out like you did with your secretary laughing at me... lol
Take at easy Major.. I have a huge sense of humor, and I am trying to keep things in a lighter mode so I don't offend you and have you go stomping off upset... lol
Stop and think why I gave personal testimony about my home church pastor and what he did to me in that church when I attended it. Think about that real hard! (NOT attacking your character at all so if you come back and say I am, then that tells me quite a bit about you as a pastor.)
Cain is the seed line from Satan, and you made a mistake in saying Cainites. Not correct way of saying the decedents of Cain. It is said like this;;;; KENITES! Maybe I should not of presented it that way, but I will let it stand...(I just keep pointing out todays rulers of the world is why I say KENITES)
Okay, now that I have done that little correction, I can count on getting a whupping... Just kidding, and laughing at my end, and forgive my joking around with ya a bit... I am still trying to keep things a bit easy... lol
WE love ya Major... that is the bottom line..


NOPE. No mistake by ME.

Whenever I see "date setting" I remember Matthew 24 that says no one knows the day or the hour... not even the Son.

Indeed Jesus did not know when the Father would send the paraclete, the prophet that was promised to Moses for the people.


This does NOT mean we will not be aware we are at "the time of the end".
Matthew 24 also tells us that it will be like a woman in labor... the closer it gets, the closer we will know we are BY WHAT IS HAPPENING.

Yes Jesus was giving you a clue to the woman mentioned in Rev 12 and other passages in the bible for the last days of the end times.


Those that have their head up their butt, who are NOT WATCHING WHAT IS HAPPENING, as the Bible commands, will be like the foolish virgins in Matthew 25.... but DATE setting is not Biblical.

Yes, most Christians are in that category. As the bible says the dead in christ will rise first.


A side note is that the EMERGING CHURCH considers WATCHING for Christ's return Anathema. RICK WARREN follows the teachings of ROBERT SCHULLER... who follows the teachings of ALICE BAILEY on this subject. "Don't worry about Bible Prophesy, concentrate on your relationship with the creator".
ALICE BAILEY of course coined the term NEW AGE and followed the teachings of MADAM BLAVATSKY, who founded the THEOSOPHY movement.... the precursor to the MODERN SATANISM.Be aware of where you are being fed folks.Don't be one of the Foolish Virgins!!!!!!!


1. Alice Bailey, first and foremost was a Christian, she predicted the same as the bible that two would come in the last days. The avatar of synthesis and the Christ. You will find the avatar of synthesis mentioned by Prophet Malachi about the last days and you can find a commentary on Malachi 3 on our blog. its all about spiritual alchemy.

1a Alice Bailey also wrote a great book about Jesus Christ called "Bethlehem to Calvery" and she received words from the Christ that were published in her other book "ponder on this".

1b Alice also predicted the death of Princess DIana and Mother Teresa accurately. However, she never claimed to be prophet or a medium.

2. Alice Bailey left HHB/Theosophy and so did Rudolf Steiner due to their wish to control and dominate the believers. There are at least 300 Rudolf Steiner schools around the world. Alice and Rudolf were people of integrity in IMHV and so was Krishnamurti. They were not up for being controlled by Theosophy like many sheep in the Christian Church are.

3. Krishnamurti left Theosophy for the same reason and so did many others.

If you wish to really know then do some really serious academic research; here is a link to people who know what they are talking about because they were involved in the movement.

[link to www.alpheus.org]

4. A man I knew was an author for the Theosophy publishing company and some years ago he said that the words 'new age' had become dirty words in publishing. True spiritual seekers of truth have nothing to do with anything new age. However, what the Vatican and what Church believers have been taught about what is new age and what isn't usually differs to those that know what they are talking about.


Lotus

I want to quote this verse also for you Major..
Genesis 3:15" And I (God) will put enmity between thee (Satan, serpent, tree of knowledge of good and evil)and the woman, and between thy seed (Kenites) and her Seed (My King James has the S in caps for a reason, showing seed line from which Christ will come through by the way of Mary); It (Jesus) shall bruise they head, and thou shalt bruise His(H in caps showing it to be Christ hanging on the cross)heel."
If Satan seduced Eve, and had an offspring, why can't the fallen angels do the same?

I know you will never see this as being correct, but that is fine. That is why God has chosen 7000 to reveal Satan because of the scorpion teachings,, referring to Rev. 9:3 and verse 5 of which those fallen angels will be mis-leading, but many Kenites rule over a multitude of schools around the world today. ( Those Kenites scorpions do not want anyone to find out who they are and what they are doing...)


Thank you for posting the Bible verse.

Let us be carefull to say what the Bible says: you posted:

"And I (God) will put enmity between thee (Satan, serpent, tree of knowledge of good and evil)",and the woman, and between thy seed (Kenites) and her Seed (My King James has the S in caps for a reason, showing seed line from which Christ will come through by the way of Mary); It (Jesus) shall bruise they head, and thou shalt bruise His(H in caps showing it to be Christ hanging on the cross)heel."

As we can all see, several words have been ADDED to the original.
Yes, I understand the use of parinthesis, but Satan, serpant, and tree of knowledge are not listed and are not in the origianl nor the KJV neither is there an inference of them. The "enmity as stated in the KJV is between the Woman and her SEED and Satans seed.

I am looking at a KJV and there is no "S" listed. The poster has inserted the words "Kenites" in place of THY SEED. The literal Hebrew here is , "Satans people".

The poster then inserts this statement:
"If Satan seduced Eve, and had an offspring, why can't the fallen angels do the same?"

If that was true, then I might be swayed to believe the intention here. But as has been stated over and over,
Matt. 22:30 expressly states that angels(fallen or non fallen) are ASEXUAL and do not mate.

That is what is called an ASSUMPTION. There is no mention of a sexual relationship between Satan and Eve. There is no Hebrew wording by which that thought can be gained.

So, once again we see that adding to the Word of God to substanciate a pre-convived notion can not work. For one to believe that fallen angels can have sex with humans, one must begin somewhere as a presidence and thus we have this verse.

Now for Revelation 9:3. It is not posted so I will do that:
"And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth, and unto them was given power as the scorpions of the earth have power".

Chapter 9:1-3 are the 1st two WOES which are in fact Trumpet judgments #5 and #6.

SMOKE in the Greek indicates...PIT.

First thought is that they are exactly what the Bible says they are...LOCUSTS with the ability to sting people. I have been stung by a scorpion and it is certainly no fun.

Then we may think that they are not LITERAL locusts but instead represent destruction which they would bring. I was in a location about 15 years ago after a swarm of locusts came through. It is unbealivable to see the carnage and destruction they leave behind.

We can also believe that they are demons since the head of them according to 9:1 appears to be Satan.

Several Bible commentators are of the opinion that this is a picture of chemical warfare.

Then we have this:
"but many Kenites rule over a multitude of schools around the world today. ( Those Kenites scorpions do not want anyone to find out who they are and what they are doing...)"

I agree! There are a lot of lost, evil people out in the world today. A man is eith saved or he is lost. Satan and his demons have more influence on the lost man, but can in fact influence the saved man at times.

Whenever I see "date setting" I remember Matthew 24 that says no one knows the day or the hour... not even the Son.

Indeed Jesus did not know when the Father would send the paraclete, the prophet that was promised to Moses for the people.


This does NOT mean we will not be aware we are at "the time of the end".
Matthew 24 also tells us that it will be like a woman in labor... the closer it gets, the closer we will know we are BY WHAT IS HAPPENING.

Yes Jesus was giving you a clue to the woman mentioned in Rev 12 and other passages in the bible for the last days of the end times.


Those that have their head up their butt, who are NOT WATCHING WHAT IS HAPPENING, as the Bible commands, will be like the foolish virgins in Matthew 25.... but DATE setting is not Biblical.

Yes, most Christians are in that category. As the bible says the dead in christ will rise first.


A side note is that the EMERGING CHURCH considers WATCHING for Christ's return Anathema. RICK WARREN follows the teachings of ROBERT SCHULLER... who follows the teachings of ALICE BAILEY on this subject. "Don't worry about Bible Prophesy, concentrate on your relationship with the creator".
ALICE BAILEY of course coined the term NEW AGE and followed the teachings of MADAM BLAVATSKY, who founded the THEOSOPHY movement.... the precursor to the MODERN SATANISM.Be aware of where you are being fed folks.Don't be one of the Foolish Virgins!!!!!!!


1. Alice Bailey, first and foremost was a Christian, she predicted the same as the bible that two would come in the last days. The avatar of synthesis and the Christ. You will find the avatar of synthesis mentioned by Prophet Malachi about the last days and you can find a commentary on Malachi 3 on our blog. its all about spiritual alchemy.

1a Alice Bailey also wrote a great book about Jesus Christ called "Bethlehem to Calvery" and she received words from the Christ that were published in her other book "ponder on this".

1b Alice also predicted the death of Princess DIana and Mother Teresa accurately. However, she never claimed to be prophet or a medium.

2. Alice Bailey left HHB/Theosophy and so did Rudolf Steiner due to their wish to control and dominate the believers. There are at least 300 Rudolf Steiner schools around the world. Alice and Rudolf were people of integrity in IMHV and so was Krishnamurti. They were not up for being controlled by Theosophy like many sheep in the Christian Church are.

3. Krishnamurti left Theosophy for the same reason and so did many others.

If you wish to really know then do some really serious academic research; here is a link to people who know what they are talking about because they were involved in the movement.

[link to www.alpheus.org]

4. A man I knew was an author for the Theosophy publishing company and some years ago he said that the words 'new age' had become dirty words in publishing. True spiritual seekers of truth have nothing to do with anything new age. However, what the Vatican and what Church believers have been taught about what is new age and what isn't usually differs to those that know what they are talking about.


Lotus


Alice Bailey is the reputed designer of the New Age Religion which is not Christian at all. It is rather the "Old Babylonial" religion of Nimrod, Simeramis and Tamuz.

Yes.

All that work simply means that now you and he and I do not agree. Again, who cares???? I could copy and paste just as many people that say he is wrong: Example....

From "wrestedScriptures.com:

Satan, Devil and Demons

Contradictions
& Inaccuracies
Genesis 6:2
". . . the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Problem:
The "sons of God" are claimed by J.W.'s and others to have been angels who had sinned and spread evil by marrying the daughters of men. A J.W. publication puts it this way:

"To marry the daughters of men, those heavenly sons of God {angels} materialized human bodies, clothing themselves with fleshly bodies like those of men on earth . . . When the Flood came, those disobedient sons of God could not get into Noah's ark, and so, to escape from the floodwaters, they dematerialized, dissolved their assumed human bodies, and returned to the spirit realm. They were not admitted back to the heavenly family of God's perfect, sinless sons.

They were degraded to a very low state that the Bible calls 'Tartarus' . . . {J.W.'s teach they became the spirits in prison, 1 Peter 3:19, 20.} In view of this form of imprisonment those disobedient spirit 'sons of the true God' cannot materialize anymore and live like husbands with women. But they still keep as close as they can to mankind, especially to women, whom they prevail upon to serve as spirit mediums, fortune-tellers, clairvoyants, and so forth."1

Solution:
All existence in Scripture is bodily existence. Nothing is known in Scripture of "materializing" and "dematerializing" "assumed" bodies. J.W.s should be pressed hard for evidence to justify such a doctrine.

Luke 20:35, 36 is conclusive - angels do not marry: "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

"Sons of God" can refer to angels as it may in Job 38:7, but the expression is also used of men. (See Deut. 14:1, R.S.V.; Hosea 1:10; Luke 3:38; John 1:12; 1 John 3:1). In Genesis 6:2 the "sons of God" were the righteous line of Seth (Genesis 4:26)2 intermarrying with evil Cainites.

It is sometimes contended that only angel-human offspring could produce "nephilim" (mighty ones or giants, cf. Gen. 6:4). But the sons of Anak (Num. 13:33) were also giants, ("nephilim") and these were certainly not angel-human offspring, as they existed long after the flood.

Divine angels can not sin. They are "ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who will be heirs of salvation". (Heb. 1:14). These angels are not rebels, but do Yahweh's commandments, "hearkening unto the voice of his word . . . ministers of his, that do his pleasure." (Psa. 103:20, 21).

The "spirits in prison" passage in 1 Peter 3:19, 20 is considered elsewhere on this site.

So, Littlestar. you ask a lot of questions and belittle a lot of people and churches and pastors. Let me ask you a question. Are you a Jehovah's Witness member?

I know exactly what Matt.22:30 says. It is common sense, plain and clear and easy to understand. I read it understand it. It just can not be ignored.

But, If you choose to believe that demons (spirital) some how had sex with humans, fine. I DO NOT CARE.

Move on to something else!!!

I declared up front about me personally loathing cutting and pasting. I said I hated it. But I also declared that I was using that sight as a quick way to cut my time short in proving my stance. I do have a personal life and I have my own biz to take care while I am chatting with you so forgive me for cutting and pasting. It seems as I have pointed out many times before, and long before I have met you here on glp that most pastors do not want to be taught anything. And God forbid the one who trys to teach them because all hell will break loose on the one trying to teach them something that goes beyond their traditions.
Major, you can take that statement any way you wish. I hope it is a way for you to understand that the main reason that the following away from God in the end times comes by the way of mens "pride" and "vanities". (This backs up my reason for making my statement, don't take it personally..)(I don't know you, as you said before..lol)
See, you can try and explain away many things with your teachings. But one thing I teach you cannot explain away, because Christ teaches us all in Mark 13:11 that the Holy Spirit is going to fall on some when Satan is here and they shall reveal Satan to the whole world at that time. And as I said before many times before I have ever met you, that Romans 11:4 ( 1 Kings 19:18 second witness scripture)backs up Christ in the amount that have been chosen to have the Holy Spirit speak through them in the hour of temptation. (Below defines Baal symbolically)
Finally, the word “Arba” is also necessary for a complete study of our subject. “Arba” is a Hebrew word brought into the English Bible untranslated. This word carries a dual meaning. It means both “four” and “strength of Baal.” Four is the Bible number associated with “the flesh, the natural man, or humanity.” Baal is the dumb idol which personifies Satan himself. In essence, “Arba” and those who descended from him were used by Satan after the flood to infiltrate the human race, and attempt to establish Satanic control over humanity. The word “Arba” occurs 3 times in the Old Testament. See Genesis 35:27, Joshua 14:15 [in Italics], 15:13, and 21:11.

Now as you understand that when you read Romans 11:4 you will see the deeper meaning of the symbolics of Baal which is to say, Satan.
It seems to me Major that I am not the only one seeing some errors on what you are presenting. (Not trying to offend you)because there have been a couple of people helping me out and I have not idea who they are and they understand what I am poorly trying to share and they must agree with me on what I am saying. (But, and say again, But that is not important that they do). Just pointing that out like you did with your secretary laughing at me... lol
Take at easy Major.. I have a huge sense of humor, and I am trying to keep things in a lighter mode so I don't offend you and have you go stomping off upset... lol
Stop and think why I gave personal testimony about my home church pastor and what he did to me in that church when I attended it. Think about that real hard! (NOT attacking your character at all so if you come back and say I am, then that tells me quite a bit about you as a pastor.)
Cain is the seed line from Satan, and you made a mistake in saying Cainites. Not correct way of saying the decedents of Cain. It is said like this;;;; KENITES! Maybe I should not of presented it that way, but I will let it stand...(I just keep pointing out todays rulers of the world is why I say KENITES)
Okay, now that I have done that little correction, I can count on getting a whupping... Just kidding, and laughing at my end, and forgive my joking around with ya a bit... I am still trying to keep things a bit easy... lol
WE love ya Major... that is the bottom line..


NOPE. No mistake by ME.

NOPE. No mistake by ME. LOL that is the best you can do.. lol
Okay.. so I know what you will present next for my statement about you making the mistake on cainites,,
You will most likely try and grab the name Cainan.. to justify the error of Cainites.. as the proper way to say Kenites.. lol
So, you last to postings were quite obvious as to what you are trying to do with anything I have posted. I notice you have not jumped on anyone else who has agreed with what I have posted.
Again, you want to play "king of the mound" like little kids do, and that is your method of operation when you chat with folks. Power playing is what most pastors do. Can't have a real conversation because know matter what, everyone else are wrong in their eyes..
Thanks for the chat! I still love in the Lord, and I know that what I have presented can be validated by anyone who takes the time to do so and have that kind of hungry.
I bet if I was one of your congregation members I would be thrown out the door by now..
Again, you want to land on top, and whupping is what you are about, and popping bubbles as you have said to us all... lol
Have a nice day..

Yes.

All that work simply means that now you and he and I do not agree. Again, who cares???? I could copy and paste just as many people that say he is wrong: Example....

From "wrestedScriptures.com:

Satan, Devil and Demons

Contradictions
& Inaccuracies
Genesis 6:2
". . . the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Problem:
The "sons of God" are claimed by J.W.'s and others to have been angels who had sinned and spread evil by marrying the daughters of men. A J.W. publication puts it this way:

"To marry the daughters of men, those heavenly sons of God {angels} materialized human bodies, clothing themselves with fleshly bodies like those of men on earth . . . When the Flood came, those disobedient sons of God could not get into Noah's ark, and so, to escape from the floodwaters, they dematerialized, dissolved their assumed human bodies, and returned to the spirit realm. They were not admitted back to the heavenly family of God's perfect, sinless sons.

They were degraded to a very low state that the Bible calls 'Tartarus' . . . {J.W.'s teach they became the spirits in prison, 1 Peter 3:19, 20.} In view of this form of imprisonment those disobedient spirit 'sons of the true God' cannot materialize anymore and live like husbands with women. But they still keep as close as they can to mankind, especially to women, whom they prevail upon to serve as spirit mediums, fortune-tellers, clairvoyants, and so forth."1

Solution:
All existence in Scripture is bodily existence. Nothing is known in Scripture of "materializing" and "dematerializing" "assumed" bodies. J.W.s should be pressed hard for evidence to justify such a doctrine.

Luke 20:35, 36 is conclusive - angels do not marry: "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

"Sons of God" can refer to angels as it may in Job 38:7, but the expression is also used of men. (See Deut. 14:1, R.S.V.; Hosea 1:10; Luke 3:38; John 1:12; 1 John 3:1). In Genesis 6:2 the "sons of God" were the righteous line of Seth (Genesis 4:26)2 intermarrying with evil Cainites.

It is sometimes contended that only angel-human offspring could produce "nephilim" (mighty ones or giants, cf. Gen. 6:4). But the sons of Anak (Num. 13:33) were also giants, ("nephilim") and these were certainly not angel-human offspring, as they existed long after the flood.

Divine angels can not sin. They are "ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who will be heirs of salvation". (Heb. 1:14). These angels are not rebels, but do Yahweh's commandments, "hearkening unto the voice of his word . . . ministers of his, that do his pleasure." (Psa. 103:20, 21).

The "spirits in prison" passage in 1 Peter 3:19, 20 is considered elsewhere on this site.

So, Littlestar. you ask a lot of questions and belittle a lot of people and churches and pastors. Let me ask you a question. Are you a Jehovah's Witness member?

I know exactly what Matt.22:30 says. It is common sense, plain and clear and easy to understand. I read it understand it. It just can not be ignored.

But, If you choose to believe that demons (spirital) some how had sex with humans, fine. I DO NOT CARE.

Move on to something else!!!

I declared up front about me personally loathing cutting and pasting. I said I hated it. But I also declared that I was using that sight as a quick way to cut my time short in proving my stance. I do have a personal life and I have my own biz to take care while I am chatting with you so forgive me for cutting and pasting. It seems as I have pointed out many times before, and long before I have met you here on glp that most pastors do not want to be taught anything. And God forbid the one who trys to teach them because all hell will break loose on the one trying to teach them something that goes beyond their traditions.
Major, you can take that statement any way you wish. I hope it is a way for you to understand that the main reason that the following away from God in the end times comes by the way of mens "pride" and "vanities". (This backs up my reason for making my statement, don't take it personally..)(I don't know you, as you said before..lol)
See, you can try and explain away many things with your teachings. But one thing I teach you cannot explain away, because Christ teaches us all in Mark 13:11 that the Holy Spirit is going to fall on some when Satan is here and they shall reveal Satan to the whole world at that time. And as I said before many times before I have ever met you, that Romans 11:4 ( 1 Kings 19:18 second witness scripture)backs up Christ in the amount that have been chosen to have the Holy Spirit speak through them in the hour of temptation. (Below defines Baal symbolically)
Finally, the word “Arba” is also necessary for a complete study of our subject. “Arba” is a Hebrew word brought into the English Bible untranslated. This word carries a dual meaning. It means both “four” and “strength of Baal.” Four is the Bible number associated with “the flesh, the natural man, or humanity.” Baal is the dumb idol which personifies Satan himself. In essence, “Arba” and those who descended from him were used by Satan after the flood to infiltrate the human race, and attempt to establish Satanic control over humanity. The word “Arba” occurs 3 times in the Old Testament. See Genesis 35:27, Joshua 14:15 [in Italics], 15:13, and 21:11.

Now as you understand that when you read Romans 11:4 you will see the deeper meaning of the symbolics of Baal which is to say, Satan.
It seems to me Major that I am not the only one seeing some errors on what you are presenting. (Not trying to offend you)because there have been a couple of people helping me out and I have not idea who they are and they understand what I am poorly trying to share and they must agree with me on what I am saying. (But, and say again, But that is not important that they do). Just pointing that out like you did with your secretary laughing at me... lol
Take at easy Major.. I have a huge sense of humor, and I am trying to keep things in a lighter mode so I don't offend you and have you go stomping off upset... lol
Stop and think why I gave personal testimony about my home church pastor and what he did to me in that church when I attended it. Think about that real hard! (NOT attacking your character at all so if you come back and say I am, then that tells me quite a bit about you as a pastor.)
Cain is the seed line from Satan, and you made a mistake in saying Cainites. Not correct way of saying the decedents of Cain. It is said like this;;;; KENITES! Maybe I should not of presented it that way, but I will let it stand...(I just keep pointing out todays rulers of the world is why I say KENITES)
Okay, now that I have done that little correction, I can count on getting a whupping... Just kidding, and laughing at my end, and forgive my joking around with ya a bit... I am still trying to keep things a bit easy... lol
WE love ya Major... that is the bottom line..


NOPE. No mistake by ME.

NOPE. No mistake by ME. LOL that is the best you can do.. lol
Okay.. so I know what you will present next for my statement about you making the mistake on cainites,,
You will most likely try and grab the name Cainan.. to justify the error of Cainites.. as the proper way to say Kenites.. lol
So, you last to postings were quite obvious as to what you are trying to do with anything I have posted. I notice you have not jumped on anyone else who has agreed with what I have posted.
Again, you want to play "king of the mound" like little kids do, and that is your method of operation when you chat with folks. Power playing is what most pastors do. Can't have a real conversation because know matter what, everyone else are wrong in their eyes..
Thanks for the chat! I still love in the Lord, and I know that what I have presented can be validated by anyone who takes the time to do so and have that kind of hungry.
I bet if I was one of your congregation members I would be thrown out the door by now..
Again, you want to land on top, and whupping is what you are about, and popping bubbles as you have said to us all... lol
Have a nice day..



As I stated. I will not banter with you.I will respond to any Bible verse you post. Seeing none, there is no responce.

God bless.

Yes.

All that work simply means that now you and he and I do not agree. Again, who cares???? I could copy and paste just as many people that say he is wrong: Example....

From "wrestedScriptures.com:

Satan, Devil and Demons

Contradictions
& Inaccuracies
Genesis 6:2
". . . the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Problem:
The "sons of God" are claimed by J.W.'s and others to have been angels who had sinned and spread evil by marrying the daughters of men. A J.W. publication puts it this way:

"To marry the daughters of men, those heavenly sons of God {angels} materialized human bodies, clothing themselves with fleshly bodies like those of men on earth . . . When the Flood came, those disobedient sons of God could not get into Noah's ark, and so, to escape from the floodwaters, they dematerialized, dissolved their assumed human bodies, and returned to the spirit realm. They were not admitted back to the heavenly family of God's perfect, sinless sons.

They were degraded to a very low state that the Bible calls 'Tartarus' . . . {J.W.'s teach they became the spirits in prison, 1 Peter 3:19, 20.} In view of this form of imprisonment those disobedient spirit 'sons of the true God' cannot materialize anymore and live like husbands with women. But they still keep as close as they can to mankind, especially to women, whom they prevail upon to serve as spirit mediums, fortune-tellers, clairvoyants, and so forth."1

Solution:
All existence in Scripture is bodily existence. Nothing is known in Scripture of "materializing" and "dematerializing" "assumed" bodies. J.W.s should be pressed hard for evidence to justify such a doctrine.

Luke 20:35, 36 is conclusive - angels do not marry: "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

"Sons of God" can refer to angels as it may in Job 38:7, but the expression is also used of men. (See Deut. 14:1, R.S.V.; Hosea 1:10; Luke 3:38; John 1:12; 1 John 3:1). In Genesis 6:2 the "sons of God" were the righteous line of Seth (Genesis 4:26)2 intermarrying with evil Cainites.

It is sometimes contended that only angel-human offspring could produce "nephilim" (mighty ones or giants, cf. Gen. 6:4). But the sons of Anak (Num. 13:33) were also giants, ("nephilim") and these were certainly not angel-human offspring, as they existed long after the flood.

Divine angels can not sin. They are "ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who will be heirs of salvation". (Heb. 1:14). These angels are not rebels, but do Yahweh's commandments, "hearkening unto the voice of his word . . . ministers of his, that do his pleasure." (Psa. 103:20, 21).

The "spirits in prison" passage in 1 Peter 3:19, 20 is considered elsewhere on this site.

So, Littlestar. you ask a lot of questions and belittle a lot of people and churches and pastors. Let me ask you a question. Are you a Jehovah's Witness member?

I know exactly what Matt.22:30 says. It is common sense, plain and clear and easy to understand. I read it understand it. It just can not be ignored.

But, If you choose to believe that demons (spirital) some how had sex with humans, fine. I DO NOT CARE.

Move on to something else!!!

I declared up front about me personally loathing cutting and pasting. I said I hated it. But I also declared that I was using that sight as a quick way to cut my time short in proving my stance. I do have a personal life and I have my own biz to take care while I am chatting with you so forgive me for cutting and pasting. It seems as I have pointed out many times before, and long before I have met you here on glp that most pastors do not want to be taught anything. And God forbid the one who trys to teach them because all hell will break loose on the one trying to teach them something that goes beyond their traditions.
Major, you can take that statement any way you wish. I hope it is a way for you to understand that the main reason that the following away from God in the end times comes by the way of mens "pride" and "vanities". (This backs up my reason for making my statement, don't take it personally..)(I don't know you, as you said before..lol)
See, you can try and explain away many things with your teachings. But one thing I teach you cannot explain away, because Christ teaches us all in Mark 13:11 that the Holy Spirit is going to fall on some when Satan is here and they shall reveal Satan to the whole world at that time. And as I said before many times before I have ever met you, that Romans 11:4 ( 1 Kings 19:18 second witness scripture)backs up Christ in the amount that have been chosen to have the Holy Spirit speak through them in the hour of temptation. (Below defines Baal symbolically)
Finally, the word “Arba” is also necessary for a complete study of our subject. “Arba” is a Hebrew word brought into the English Bible untranslated. This word carries a dual meaning. It means both “four” and “strength of Baal.” Four is the Bible number associated with “the flesh, the natural man, or humanity.” Baal is the dumb idol which personifies Satan himself. In essence, “Arba” and those who descended from him were used by Satan after the flood to infiltrate the human race, and attempt to establish Satanic control over humanity. The word “Arba” occurs 3 times in the Old Testament. See Genesis 35:27, Joshua 14:15 [in Italics], 15:13, and 21:11.

Now as you understand that when you read Romans 11:4 you will see the deeper meaning of the symbolics of Baal which is to say, Satan.
It seems to me Major that I am not the only one seeing some errors on what you are presenting. (Not trying to offend you)because there have been a couple of people helping me out and I have not idea who they are and they understand what I am poorly trying to share and they must agree with me on what I am saying. (But, and say again, But that is not important that they do). Just pointing that out like you did with your secretary laughing at me... lol
Take at easy Major.. I have a huge sense of humor, and I am trying to keep things in a lighter mode so I don't offend you and have you go stomping off upset... lol
Stop and think why I gave personal testimony about my home church pastor and what he did to me in that church when I attended it. Think about that real hard! (NOT attacking your character at all so if you come back and say I am, then that tells me quite a bit about you as a pastor.)
Cain is the seed line from Satan, and you made a mistake in saying Cainites. Not correct way of saying the decedents of Cain. It is said like this;;;; KENITES! Maybe I should not of presented it that way, but I will let it stand...(I just keep pointing out todays rulers of the world is why I say KENITES)
Okay, now that I have done that little correction, I can count on getting a whupping... Just kidding, and laughing at my end, and forgive my joking around with ya a bit... I am still trying to keep things a bit easy... lol
WE love ya Major... that is the bottom line..


NOPE. No mistake by ME.

NOPE. No mistake by ME. LOL that is the best you can do.. lol
Okay.. so I know what you will present next for my statement about you making the mistake on cainites,,
You will most likely try and grab the name Cainan.. to justify the error of Cainites.. as the proper way to say Kenites.. lol
So, you last to postings were quite obvious as to what you are trying to do with anything I have posted. I notice you have not jumped on anyone else who has agreed with what I have posted.
Again, you want to play "king of the mound" like little kids do, and that is your method of operation when you chat with folks. Power playing is what most pastors do. Can't have a real conversation because know matter what, everyone else are wrong in their eyes..
Thanks for the chat! I still love in the Lord, and I know that what I have presented can be validated by anyone who takes the time to do so and have that kind of hungry.
I bet if I was one of your congregation members I would be thrown out the door by now..
Again, you want to land on top, and whupping is what you are about, and popping bubbles as you have said to us all... lol
Have a nice day..



As I stated. I will not banter with you.I will respond to any Bible verse you post. Seeing none, there is no responce.

God bless.

Yes.

All that work simply means that now you and he and I do not agree. Again, who cares???? I could copy and paste just as many people that say he is wrong: Example....

From "wrestedScriptures.com:

Satan, Devil and Demons

Contradictions
& Inaccuracies
Genesis 6:2
". . . the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Problem:
The "sons of God" are claimed by J.W.'s and others to have been angels who had sinned and spread evil by marrying the daughters of men. A J.W. publication puts it this way:

"To marry the daughters of men, those heavenly sons of God {angels} materialized human bodies, clothing themselves with fleshly bodies like those of men on earth . . . When the Flood came, those disobedient sons of God could not get into Noah's ark, and so, to escape from the floodwaters, they dematerialized, dissolved their assumed human bodies, and returned to the spirit realm. They were not admitted back to the heavenly family of God's perfect, sinless sons.

They were degraded to a very low state that the Bible calls 'Tartarus' . . . {J.W.'s teach they became the spirits in prison, 1 Peter 3:19, 20.} In view of this form of imprisonment those disobedient spirit 'sons of the true God' cannot materialize anymore and live like husbands with women. But they still keep as close as they can to mankind, especially to women, whom they prevail upon to serve as spirit mediums, fortune-tellers, clairvoyants, and so forth."1

Solution:
All existence in Scripture is bodily existence. Nothing is known in Scripture of "materializing" and "dematerializing" "assumed" bodies. J.W.s should be pressed hard for evidence to justify such a doctrine.

Luke 20:35, 36 is conclusive - angels do not marry: "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

"Sons of God" can refer to angels as it may in Job 38:7, but the expression is also used of men. (See Deut. 14:1, R.S.V.; Hosea 1:10; Luke 3:38; John 1:12; 1 John 3:1). In Genesis 6:2 the "sons of God" were the righteous line of Seth (Genesis 4:26)2 intermarrying with evil Cainites.

It is sometimes contended that only angel-human offspring could produce "nephilim" (mighty ones or giants, cf. Gen. 6:4). But the sons of Anak (Num. 13:33) were also giants, ("nephilim") and these were certainly not angel-human offspring, as they existed long after the flood.

Divine angels can not sin. They are "ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who will be heirs of salvation". (Heb. 1:14). These angels are not rebels, but do Yahweh's commandments, "hearkening unto the voice of his word . . . ministers of his, that do his pleasure." (Psa. 103:20, 21).

The "spirits in prison" passage in 1 Peter 3:19, 20 is considered elsewhere on this site.

So, Littlestar. you ask a lot of questions and belittle a lot of people and churches and pastors. Let me ask you a question. Are you a Jehovah's Witness member?

I know exactly what Matt.22:30 says. It is common sense, plain and clear and easy to understand. I read it understand it. It just can not be ignored.

But, If you choose to believe that demons (spirital) some how had sex with humans, fine. I DO NOT CARE.

Move on to something else!!!

I declared up front about me personally loathing cutting and pasting. I said I hated it. But I also declared that I was using that sight as a quick way to cut my time short in proving my stance. I do have a personal life and I have my own biz to take care while I am chatting with you so forgive me for cutting and pasting. It seems as I have pointed out many times before, and long before I have met you here on glp that most pastors do not want to be taught anything. And God forbid the one who trys to teach them because all hell will break loose on the one trying to teach them something that goes beyond their traditions.
Major, you can take that statement any way you wish. I hope it is a way for you to understand that the main reason that the following away from God in the end times comes by the way of mens "pride" and "vanities". (This backs up my reason for making my statement, don't take it personally..)(I don't know you, as you said before..lol)
See, you can try and explain away many things with your teachings. But one thing I teach you cannot explain away, because Christ teaches us all in Mark 13:11 that the Holy Spirit is going to fall on some when Satan is here and they shall reveal Satan to the whole world at that time. And as I said before many times before I have ever met you, that Romans 11:4 ( 1 Kings 19:18 second witness scripture)backs up Christ in the amount that have been chosen to have the Holy Spirit speak through them in the hour of temptation. (Below defines Baal symbolically)
Finally, the word “Arba” is also necessary for a complete study of our subject. “Arba” is a Hebrew word brought into the English Bible untranslated. This word carries a dual meaning. It means both “four” and “strength of Baal.” Four is the Bible number associated with “the flesh, the natural man, or humanity.” Baal is the dumb idol which personifies Satan himself. In essence, “Arba” and those who descended from him were used by Satan after the flood to infiltrate the human race, and attempt to establish Satanic control over humanity. The word “Arba” occurs 3 times in the Old Testament. See Genesis 35:27, Joshua 14:15 [in Italics], 15:13, and 21:11.

Now as you understand that when you read Romans 11:4 you will see the deeper meaning of the symbolics of Baal which is to say, Satan.
It seems to me Major that I am not the only one seeing some errors on what you are presenting. (Not trying to offend you)because there have been a couple of people helping me out and I have not idea who they are and they understand what I am poorly trying to share and they must agree with me on what I am saying. (But, and say again, But that is not important that they do). Just pointing that out like you did with your secretary laughing at me... lol
Take at easy Major.. I have a huge sense of humor, and I am trying to keep things in a lighter mode so I don't offend you and have you go stomping off upset... lol
Stop and think why I gave personal testimony about my home church pastor and what he did to me in that church when I attended it. Think about that real hard! (NOT attacking your character at all so if you come back and say I am, then that tells me quite a bit about you as a pastor.)
Cain is the seed line from Satan, and you made a mistake in saying Cainites. Not correct way of saying the decedents of Cain. It is said like this;;;; KENITES! Maybe I should not of presented it that way, but I will let it stand...(I just keep pointing out todays rulers of the world is why I say KENITES)
Okay, now that I have done that little correction, I can count on getting a whupping... Just kidding, and laughing at my end, and forgive my joking around with ya a bit... I am still trying to keep things a bit easy... lol
WE love ya Major... that is the bottom line..


NOPE. No mistake by ME.

NOPE. No mistake by ME. LOL that is the best you can do.. lol
Okay.. so I know what you will present next for my statement about you making the mistake on cainites,,
You will most likely try and grab the name Cainan.. to justify the error of Cainites.. as the proper way to say Kenites.. lol
So, you last to postings were quite obvious as to what you are trying to do with anything I have posted. I notice you have not jumped on anyone else who has agreed with what I have posted.
Again, you want to play "king of the mound" like little kids do, and that is your method of operation when you chat with folks. Power playing is what most pastors do. Can't have a real conversation because know matter what, everyone else are wrong in their eyes..
Thanks for the chat! I still love in the Lord, and I know that what I have presented can be validated by anyone who takes the time to do so and have that kind of hungry.
I bet if I was one of your congregation members I would be thrown out the door by now..
Again, you want to land on top, and whupping is what you are about, and popping bubbles as you have said to us all... lol
Have a nice day..



As I stated. I will not banter with you.I will respond to any Bible verse you post. Seeing none, there is no responce.

God bless.

I just had to do this one more time to show how you are sooooo selective in a conversation. You stated" I will not banter with you, I will respond to any bible verse you post."
lol
What do you think this was? I posted this before you posted your response.. lol
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My post before you even responded your side stepping remarks..
(Note: have a nice night) See below my words.. Cuz this is what I posted before you "banter" statement... lol
Got yo figured out really good too.. Same method used on me personally 100's of times by pastors.. It is after all how they work.. No body higher than they in the Word. They are the authority, and that that... lol

You are very cleaver but you know, anyone with understanding of what I was doing with the scripture below know was not adding, I was showing who God was talking too. Nothing more nothing less. See below..
My Words:

"And I (God) will put enmity between thee (Satan, serpent, tree of knowledge of good and evil)",and the woman, and between thy seed (Kenites) and her Seed (My King James has the S in caps for a reason, showing seed line from which Christ will come through by the way of Mary); It (Jesus) shall bruise they head, and thou shalt bruise His(H in caps showing it to be Christ hanging on the cross)heel."
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Your Words:

As we can all see, several words have been ADDED to the original.
Yes, I understand the use of parinthesis, but Satan, serpant, and tree of knowledge are not listed and are not in the origianl nor the KJV neither is there an inference of them. The "enmity as stated in the KJV is between the Woman and her SEED and Satans seed.
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I wonder how many here are wise enough to see that in my brackets I am telling you that it is Satan seed and that God is talking to Satan.
Then you come along and your last sentence says this" The "enmity as stated in the KJV is between the Woman and her SEED and Satans seed."

I think that eveyone can see that I choose to fill in the blanks as it was written, and you then just say the same thing only in a different manor..
I notice you did not comment on "Kenites" and the who scenario of what I presented about your failure of Kenan. I think you are being very selective about what you want to pick and choose as to what you want to present..
What I see from you as I said before as to what you stated, you want some whupping.
Now as far as me saying tree of knowledge of good and evil, serpent being whom God was talking too, I think everyone can see that the serpent was being used in the KJV version of what was happening in the book of Gen. 3:13 and that is who God is talking to in verse 15.
Rev. 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that 'OLD SERPENT", called the "DEVIL" AND "SATAN", which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
There are most of Satan's titles all in one verse. He names in the bible.
He has some others too, like "morning star", tree of knowledge of good and evil"..
He is always wanting to be like Jesus and just as Christ is called "tree of life", which I know you understand to be Christ and if you don't then there is no need to even chat with you. Because this has been shown many times long before you and I was born.
All I was doing was showing in verse 15 of Gen. chaoter 3 that it was God talking to Satan, that serpent and I used brackets to show the players of the verse...
Even the word "IT" is Christ and you cleverly left that out of your rebuttal and then accused me of adding to the Word. Again, everyone and myself are seeing your method of how pastors work. Kind of nice proving my point on what I have been saying for years about pastors.
Everyone is smart enough to understand what I was doing with my brackets, and they are seeing that is all you had, so you had to come back with what I did to show who was talking and about who, Satan, Eve, and Christ..
Too bad too!
Again, very selective about what you choose to share and point out about what I have said.
Your own words convict you, and you can't see it.
Your not going to get me drawn into a slam dunking contest again. But you can do it all you want. I stayed with the object and subject of our conversation and you have to jump all over the place to even keep up..
I already know what your trying to do, and guess what, you are not going to get what you want from me. I bow down only to the Lord and everyone can see that is what you want not only from me, but from anyone that chats with you. Because after all, you are the higher authority because you have that title of "pastor"..

Yes.

All that work simply means that now you and he and I do not agree. Again, who cares???? I could copy and paste just as many people that say he is wrong: Example....

From "wrestedScriptures.com:

Satan, Devil and Demons

Contradictions
& Inaccuracies
Genesis 6:2
". . . the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

Problem:
The "sons of God" are claimed by J.W.'s and others to have been angels who had sinned and spread evil by marrying the daughters of men. A J.W. publication puts it this way:

"To marry the daughters of men, those heavenly sons of God {angels} materialized human bodies, clothing themselves with fleshly bodies like those of men on earth . . . When the Flood came, those disobedient sons of God could not get into Noah's ark, and so, to escape from the floodwaters, they dematerialized, dissolved their assumed human bodies, and returned to the spirit realm. They were not admitted back to the heavenly family of God's perfect, sinless sons.

They were degraded to a very low state that the Bible calls 'Tartarus' . . . {J.W.'s teach they became the spirits in prison, 1 Peter 3:19, 20.} In view of this form of imprisonment those disobedient spirit 'sons of the true God' cannot materialize anymore and live like husbands with women. But they still keep as close as they can to mankind, especially to women, whom they prevail upon to serve as spirit mediums, fortune-tellers, clairvoyants, and so forth."1

Solution:
All existence in Scripture is bodily existence. Nothing is known in Scripture of "materializing" and "dematerializing" "assumed" bodies. J.W.s should be pressed hard for evidence to justify such a doctrine.

Luke 20:35, 36 is conclusive - angels do not marry: "But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection."

"Sons of God" can refer to angels as it may in Job 38:7, but the expression is also used of men. (See Deut. 14:1, R.S.V.; Hosea 1:10; Luke 3:38; John 1:12; 1 John 3:1). In Genesis 6:2 the "sons of God" were the righteous line of Seth (Genesis 4:26)2 intermarrying with evil Cainites.

It is sometimes contended that only angel-human offspring could produce "nephilim" (mighty ones or giants, cf. Gen. 6:4). But the sons of Anak (Num. 13:33) were also giants, ("nephilim") and these were certainly not angel-human offspring, as they existed long after the flood.

Divine angels can not sin. They are "ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who will be heirs of salvation". (Heb. 1:14). These angels are not rebels, but do Yahweh's commandments, "hearkening unto the voice of his word . . . ministers of his, that do his pleasure." (Psa. 103:20, 21).

The "spirits in prison" passage in 1 Peter 3:19, 20 is considered elsewhere on this site.

So, Littlestar. you ask a lot of questions and belittle a lot of people and churches and pastors. Let me ask you a question. Are you a Jehovah's Witness member?

I know exactly what Matt.22:30 says. It is common sense, plain and clear and easy to understand. I read it understand it. It just can not be ignored.

But, If you choose to believe that demons (spirital) some how had sex with humans, fine. I DO NOT CARE.

Move on to something else!!!

I declared up front about me personally loathing cutting and pasting. I said I hated it. But I also declared that I was using that sight as a quick way to cut my time short in proving my stance. I do have a personal life and I have my own biz to take care while I am chatting with you so forgive me for cutting and pasting. It seems as I have pointed out many times before, and long before I have met you here on glp that most pastors do not want to be taught anything. And God forbid the one who trys to teach them because all hell will break loose on the one trying to teach them something that goes beyond their traditions.
Major, you can take that statement any way you wish. I hope it is a way for you to understand that the main reason that the following away from God in the end times comes by the way of mens "pride" and "vanities". (This backs up my reason for making my statement, don't take it personally..)(I don't know you, as you said before..lol)
See, you can try and explain away many things with your teachings. But one thing I teach you cannot explain away, because Christ teaches us all in Mark 13:11 that the Holy Spirit is going to fall on some when Satan is here and they shall reveal Satan to the whole world at that time. And as I said before many times before I have ever met you, that Romans 11:4 ( 1 Kings 19:18 second witness scripture)backs up Christ in the amount that have been chosen to have the Holy Spirit speak through them in the hour of temptation. (Below defines Baal symbolically)
Finally, the word “Arba” is also necessary for a complete study of our subject. “Arba” is a Hebrew word brought into the English Bible untranslated. This word carries a dual meaning. It means both “four” and “strength of Baal.” Four is the Bible number associated with “the flesh, the natural man, or humanity.” Baal is the dumb idol which personifies Satan himself. In essence, “Arba” and those who descended from him were used by Satan after the flood to infiltrate the human race, and attempt to establish Satanic control over humanity. The word “Arba” occurs 3 times in the Old Testament. See Genesis 35:27, Joshua 14:15 [in Italics], 15:13, and 21:11.

Now as you understand that when you read Romans 11:4 you will see the deeper meaning of the symbolics of Baal which is to say, Satan.
It seems to me Major that I am not the only one seeing some errors on what you are presenting. (Not trying to offend you)because there have been a couple of people helping me out and I have not idea who they are and they understand what I am poorly trying to share and they must agree with me on what I am saying. (But, and say again, But that is not important that they do). Just pointing that out like you did with your secretary laughing at me... lol
Take at easy Major.. I have a huge sense of humor, and I am trying to keep things in a lighter mode so I don't offend you and have you go stomping off upset... lol
Stop and think why I gave personal testimony about my home church pastor and what he did to me in that church when I attended it. Think about that real hard! (NOT attacking your character at all so if you come back and say I am, then that tells me quite a bit about you as a pastor.)
Cain is the seed line from Satan, and you made a mistake in saying Cainites. Not correct way of saying the decedents of Cain. It is said like this;;;; KENITES! Maybe I should not of presented it that way, but I will let it stand...(I just keep pointing out todays rulers of the world is why I say KENITES)
Okay, now that I have done that little correction, I can count on getting a whupping... Just kidding, and laughing at my end, and forgive my joking around with ya a bit... I am still trying to keep things a bit easy... lol
WE love ya Major... that is the bottom line..


NOPE. No mistake by ME.

NOPE. No mistake by ME. LOL that is the best you can do.. lol
Okay.. so I know what you will present next for my statement about you making the mistake on cainites,,
You will most likely try and grab the name Cainan.. to justify the error of Cainites.. as the proper way to say Kenites.. lol
So, you last to postings were quite obvious as to what you are trying to do with anything I have posted. I notice you have not jumped on anyone else who has agreed with what I have posted.
Again, you want to play "king of the mound" like little kids do, and that is your method of operation when you chat with folks. Power playing is what most pastors do. Can't have a real conversation because know matter what, everyone else are wrong in their eyes..
Thanks for the chat! I still love in the Lord, and I know that what I have presented can be validated by anyone who takes the time to do so and have that kind of hungry.
I bet if I was one of your congregation members I would be thrown out the door by now..
Again, you want to land on top, and whupping is what you are about, and popping bubbles as you have said to us all... lol
Have a nice day..



As I stated. I will not banter with you.I will respond to any Bible verse you post. Seeing none, there is no responce.

God bless.

I just had to do this one more time to show how you are sooooo selective in a conversation. You stated" I will not banter with you, I will respond to any bible verse you post."
lol
What do you think this was? I posted this before you posted your response.. lol
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My post before you even responded your side stepping remarks..
(Note: have a nice night) See below my words.. Cuz this is what I posted before you "banter" statement... lol
Got yo figured out really good too.. Same method used on me personally 100's of times by pastors.. It is after all how they work.. No body higher than they in the Word. They are the authority, and that that... lol

You are very cleaver but you know, anyone with understanding of what I was doing with the scripture below know was not adding, I was showing who God was talking too. Nothing more nothing less. See below..
My Words:

"And I (God) will put enmity between thee (Satan, serpent, tree of knowledge of good and evil)",and the woman, and between thy seed (Kenites) and her Seed (My King James has the S in caps for a reason, showing seed line from which Christ will come through by the way of Mary); It (Jesus) shall bruise they head, and thou shalt bruise His(H in caps showing it to be Christ hanging on the cross)heel."
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Your Words:

As we can all see, several words have been ADDED to the original.
Yes, I understand the use of parinthesis, but Satan, serpant, and tree of knowledge are not listed and are not in the origianl nor the KJV neither is there an inference of them. The "enmity as stated in the KJV is between the Woman and her SEED and Satans seed.
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I wonder how many here are wise enough to see that in my brackets I am telling you that it is Satan seed and that God is talking to Satan.
Then you come along and your last sentence says this" The "enmity as stated in the KJV is between the Woman and her SEED and Satans seed."

I think that eveyone can see that I choose to fill in the blanks as it was written, and you then just say the same thing only in a different manor..
I notice you did not comment on "Kenites" and the who scenario of what I presented about your failure of Kenan. I think you are being very selective about what you want to pick and choose as to what you want to present..
What I see from you as I said before as to what you stated, you want some whupping.
Now as far as me saying tree of knowledge of good and evil, serpent being whom God was talking too, I think everyone can see that the serpent was being used in the KJV version of what was happening in the book of Gen. 3:13 and that is who God is talking to in verse 15.
Rev. 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that 'OLD SERPENT", called the "DEVIL" AND "SATAN", which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
There are most of Satan's titles all in one verse. He names in the bible.
He has some others too, like "morning star", tree of knowledge of good and evil"..
He is always wanting to be like Jesus and just as Christ is called "tree of life", which I know you understand to be Christ and if you don't then there is no need to even chat with you. Because this has been shown many times long before you and I was born.
All I was doing was showing in verse 15 of Gen. chaoter 3 that it was God talking to Satan, that serpent and I used brackets to show the players of the verse...
Even the word "IT" is Christ and you cleverly left that out of your rebuttal and then accused me of adding to the Word. Again, everyone and myself are seeing your method of how pastors work. Kind of nice proving my point on what I have been saying for years about pastors.
Everyone is smart enough to understand what I was doing with my brackets, and they are seeing that is all you had, so you had to come back with what I did to show who was talking and about who, Satan, Eve, and Christ..
Too bad too!
Again, very selective about what you choose to share and point out about what I have said.
Your own words convict you, and you can't see it.
Your not going to get me drawn into a slam dunking contest again. But you can do it all you want. I stayed with the object and subject of our conversation and you have to jump all over the place to even keep up..
I already know what your trying to do, and guess what, you are not going to get what you want from me. I bow down only to the Lord and everyone can see that is what you want not only from me, but from anyone that chats with you. Because after all, you are the higher authority because you have that title of "pastor"..


The only Bible verse listed in your post that I have not replied to is Re. 12:9....

"And the great dragon was cast out, that 'OLD SERPENT", called the "DEVIL" AND "SATAN", which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

I agree with the names. And Yes there are many many more names he is called.

Rev. 12:9 actually begins in verse 7 and is the vision of war in heaven and it anticipates Satans exclusion from heaven and his restriction to the earth during the last 3 1/2 years of the Trib. Peroid. Michael is the archangel and leader of Gods army of angels. Satan is the chief of the fallen angels.