Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days

Little Star, I'm sorry if I missed it in this thread, but do you agree with the OP's interpretation that the 7th seal was opened on November 2008 and that in 962 days from now, Jesus Christ will return?



Well, I guess I am the one to pop the ballon here.

Lets talk first of what does the Bible say. I have just read a lot of stuff, especially from the OP, and it was well written. The problem is that none of it is true.

Sorry to hurt your feelings my friend. I do not enjoy doing that but if we are going to manke Bible referrences, and believe them to be the basis of truth to substainte our OPINIONS, we must then use ALL of them.

Having said that let me quote something for you from the Word of God in Matthew 24:36.................

"But of THAT DAY, and hour, KNOWETH NO MAN, NO NOT EVEN THE ANGELS OF HEAVEN, BUT MY FATHER ONLY."

Now, if Jesus does not know, and the angels do not know, what in Gods name makes you think you know when Jesus is coming???? Before you can speak on the bowls, vials, trumpets and judgments, you must first answer that question.

There are so many errors in your posting that I simply can not take the time to respond all of them.

First of all you said nothing about the Rapture.

1 Thess. 5:9
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath (Tribulation Peroid) but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ".

1 Thess.4:16
"For the Lord himself shall desend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (Latin for RAPTURO)together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord".

Do you just tear this page out of the Bible and throw it away??? It is right there for you to read.
For you to believe that the judgments of Revelation have begun, you have got to ignore the Doctine of the Rapture.

WHY you may ask?????

Look at Revelation 4:1 and see if it sounds familiar to you.

"After this, (THe events of chapters 1-3) I looked and behold a door was opened in heaven, and the first voice I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me, which said come up hither and I will show you the things which must be here-after."

That my friend is the RAPTURE!!!

John moves to the future and beyond the church. Listen folks, the Great Tribulation Peroid that is coming has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH. The church is Raptured in 4:1 and it is then that God turns and deals with Israel.
IT IS ALL ABOUT ISRAEL NOT THE CHURCH.

The seals, bowls, and vials all come AFTER THE RAPTURE.
There is no Biblical way around this friends. NONE!!!

As far as someone knowing what is included in the "THUNDERS", they are very, very mis-informed.

Read the verse for your self.
Rev. 10:4
"And when the seven "thunders" had uttered their voices, I was about to write, and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me; SEAL UP THOSE SAYINGS WHICH THE SEVEN THUNDERS UTTERED AND WRITE THEM NOT".

There is no record of what they said!! NONE!!

Now, for one to say today that he knows what they are, is to say that they are more important than the "disciple who Jesus loved the most", an Apostle and the one who wrote more about the eternal past and eternal future of God than anyone else of all the Scriptures. Sorry friends, I aint buying that one.


Major, I don't think anyone agrees with the OP on his timing. Respectfully, I think he is wrong too. But even more respectfully, Major, I think you, also, are wrong. To start with, in all love, you are confused on what the tribulation is and what the Lord's wrath is. They're completely different things. Yes, we aren't appointed to wrath, but tribulation, yes we will go through that.

If you want to see the truth, I can tell you more what the Lord has shown me concerning Israel and the church, because you're also misinformed about that when you said "IT IS ALL ABOUT ISRAEL, NOT THE CHURCH." I used to think this way, too, until the Lord showed me differently. It's how I was taught all growing up, since 4th grade in the Assembly of God churches. But they are/were wrong, and they taught me wrong.

Hey everybody, I had no idea that I was getting many responses to my threading here, because on the first day, I wasn't getting anything but a couple of responses, and then I check on this just this morning and see 90 replyz, lol. I'm reading them right now and am going to reply to many of them today, so please do check-back for my responses to your responses.

Aaron

Hey everybody, I had no idea that I was getting many responses to my threading here, because on the first day, I wasn't getting anything but a couple of responses, and then I check on this just this morning and see 90 replyz, lol. I'm reading them right now and am going to reply to many of them today, so please do check-back for my responses to your responses.

Aaron

verse 3.
"Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come except there be a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed the son of perdition.
verse 4...Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God showing himself that he is God.

Man, that's long. I'll have to come back to read....

Man, that's long. I'll have to come back to read....

cliff notes please.

my brain hurts from looking at all those words.

break it down.

you know this is what i dont understand about the human race. lets say there is a god and the bible is his instruction book, now why in the hell do we waist our time reading all the meaningless stuff (like xbox instrruction book ect ect) that dosnt even teach us anything?

if you want to get to know god you have to take time out to study his word. plain and simple.

one reason people are feeling so un rewarded about life is because they did waist there time reading bullshit text from colleges or just at mundane jobs and missed out on the important stuff.


now music op......although i agree %99, i still have to say the bible does say his prophets will prophecy and it will happen.ron even admits he was being presumptuious and yes he may be gods prophet but an end time witness? one of the two?

hey his book is on point, VERY POWERFULL INDEED ( i have read more than once)

Mankind by nature resists God. When God created all He did,
it came into being instantly and nothing resisted Him. However,
man resists God because of his carnal nature, and that nature
must be changed through a transformation of the mind (of man’s
thinking). Mankind must go through this process in order for him
to genuinely have free choice of God’s true ways.
In an instant, all creation came into being when God
commanded it, but mankind being transformed into Elohim is not
something that can be created instantly by God’s command. Man
has the choice, once it is given to him in God’s perfect timing, to
decide for himself if he truly wants God’s ways. This process of
choice and change (transformation of the mind) takes a lifetime
to accomplish. Holy, righteous character is not something that
can be commanded to exist. It cannot be accomplished instantly,
not even in days and months; it takes years for the process to
become complete.
That which has been addressed in this last section is a
summary of what was covered in this chapter concerning the
ETERNAL God’s (Yahweh Elohim’s) plan and purpose for His
Family. His Family will be born of mankind after mankind has
been begotten spiritually and the mind of man has been
transformed from selfish, carnal nature to oneness and agreement
with God’s holy, righteous nature. This can be accomplished
only by each individual’s willing free choice. The God-kind will
be born out of mankind only after mankind has been begotten of
God’s holy spirit and has grown to the point of maturity where
the mind of man can be born of spirit.
This is the process that traditional Christianity confuses with
the Biblical term being “born again.” The world of traditional
Christianity believes that being “born again” is something that
people experience when they “give their heart to the Lord.” They use such religious sounding platitudes as a “show” of their pseudoconversion.
Being “born again” is about being begotten spiritually
and the spiritual growth that follows until the time one can actually
be truly born again. Such birth is a spiritual birth into a spirit
body—into Elohim. This is the very thing Jesus Christ told
Nicodemus:
Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of
God [Elohim] . . . That which is born of the flesh is flesh,
and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. (John 3:3, 6)
Mankind is born of mankind and is flesh (physical), but
anyone who is born of God, into His Family, is spirit.
The TRUE God of Abraham
Do you believe what you have read? If you do not yet believe all
that is written in this book, in time, God will make certain that
you do know it! It may not be in this age of man. The entire story
of God’s plan and purpose for His Family and why man’s age
must now be brought to a close is the story of this book. It is all
true, and it is from the God of Abraham to you!
If you believe anything about God other than what is written
in this book, then you do not know the true God of Abraham.
This book reveals God’s plan and purpose being worked out on
this earth, and therefore, it reveals the true God!
The world you know is about to change completely. Now is
the time for this change, and you simply happen to be living at
this special time in all earth’s history. It is the most momentous
time in man’s history.
Aside from the time of Noah’s flood, man, as a whole, has been
able to continue through the normal cycles of life, choosing to live
life his own way, generation after generation. The time you live in is not such a time. You live at the very end of man’s self-rule on earth.
It is now time for God’s rule to begin.
Only a very small percentage of human life will continue on
into that new era that will begin after the return of Jesus Christ as
King of kings over all the earth. The luxury of time being on your
side, as a normal course of man’s existence (as it has been over
the past 6,000 years), is about to come to an abrupt end! Time is
not on your side any longer. You have before you true life and
death decisions that must be made quickly if you have any
hope of sharing in that new age.
When this book is published at the end of summer of 2006,
(with distribution in full swing in the fall), there will be a
maximum time of two years remaining before the world will be
plunged into the worst time of all human history.
By the fall of 2008, the United States will have collapsed as a
world power, or it will have begun its collapse and no longer
exist as an independent nation within six months after that time.
There is a marginal, six-month window of time that God has not
yet revealed concerning this specific moment of time. This will
be revealed some time soon after the distribution of this book
begins.
As the spokesman of God’s two end-time witnesses and as His
end-time prophet, I have fulfilled my responsibility in placing the
contents of this book before you. What you do with it is up to
you. Indeed, only a very short time remains before it will be
evident that I am who I say or that I am not. In the past 1900
years, have you ever read or heard of a publication from any
religious leader who has made such claims, laying out such a
precise pattern for the near future with such precise timelines?
You have not! This is the evidence (witness, testimony) of the
true God of Abraham!
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Little Star, I'm sorry if I missed it in this thread, but do you agree with the OP's interpretation that the 7th seal was opened on November 2008 and that in 962 days from now, Jesus Christ will return?



Well, I guess I am the one to pop the ballon here.

Lets talk first of what does the Bible say. I have just read a lot of stuff, especially from the OP, and it was well written. The problem is that none of it is true.

Sorry to hurt your feelings my friend. I do not enjoy doing that but if we are going to manke Bible referrences, and believe them to be the basis of truth to substainte our OPINIONS, we must then use ALL of them.

Having said that let me quote something for you from the Word of God in Matthew 24:36.................

"But of THAT DAY, and hour, KNOWETH NO MAN, NO NOT EVEN THE ANGELS OF HEAVEN, BUT MY FATHER ONLY."

Now, if Jesus does not know, and the angels do not know, what in Gods name makes you think you know when Jesus is coming???? Before you can speak on the bowls, vials, trumpets and judgments, you must first answer that question.

There are so many errors in your posting that I simply can not take the time to respond all of them.

First of all you said nothing about the Rapture.

1 Thess. 5:9
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath (Tribulation Peroid) but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ".

1 Thess.4:16
"For the Lord himself shall desend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (Latin for RAPTURO)together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord".

Do you just tear this page out of the Bible and throw it away??? It is right there for you to read.
For you to believe that the judgments of Revelation have begun, you have got to ignore the Doctine of the Rapture.

WHY you may ask?????

Look at Revelation 4:1 and see if it sounds familiar to you.

"After this, (THe events of chapters 1-3) I looked and behold a door was opened in heaven, and the first voice I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me, which said come up hither and I will show you the things which must be here-after."

That my friend is the RAPTURE!!!

John moves to the future and beyond the church. Listen folks, the Great Tribulation Peroid that is coming has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH. The church is Raptured in 4:1 and it is then that God turns and deals with Israel.
IT IS ALL ABOUT ISRAEL NOT THE CHURCH.

The seals, bowls, and vials all come AFTER THE RAPTURE.
There is no Biblical way around this friends. NONE!!!

As far as someone knowing what is included in the "THUNDERS", they are very, very mis-informed.

Read the verse for your self.
Rev. 10:4
"And when the seven "thunders" had uttered their voices, I was about to write, and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me; SEAL UP THOSE SAYINGS WHICH THE SEVEN THUNDERS UTTERED AND WRITE THEM NOT".

There is no record of what they said!! NONE!!

Now, for one to say today that he knows what they are, is to say that they are more important than the "disciple who Jesus loved the most", an Apostle and the one who wrote more about the eternal past and eternal future of God than anyone else of all the Scriptures. Sorry friends, I aint buying that one.


Major, I don't think anyone agrees with the OP on his timing. Respectfully, I think he is wrong too. But even more respectfully, Major, I think you, also, are wrong. To start with, in all love, you are confused on what the tribulation is and what the Lord's wrath is. They're completely different things. Yes, we aren't appointed to wrath, but tribulation, yes we will go through that.

If you want to see the truth, I can tell you more what the Lord has shown me concerning Israel and the church, because you're also misinformed about that when you said "IT IS ALL ABOUT ISRAEL, NOT THE CHURCH." I used to think this way, too, until the Lord showed me differently. It's how I was taught all growing up, since 4th grade in the Assembly of God churches. But they are/were wrong, and they taught me wrong.


Understood and I receive your rebuke in the name of Jesus as His love transsends all of our thoughts. Thank you for responding.

Lets talk about this Biblically because truth is not what we say it it, it is what God says it is.

BEFORE YOU POST ANYTHING, I NEED, AND YOU NEED TO EXPLAIN THE FOLLOWING VERSES FOR US

Romans 5:9
"Much more then, being now justified by His blood we SHALL BE SAVED FROM WRATH THROUGH HIM".

1 Thess 1:10
"And to wait for His dear Son from heaven whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus WHICH DELIVERED US FROM THE WRATH TO COME".

1 Thess. 5:9
"For God hath not appointed US TO WRATH, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ".

So, how do we know that this word WRATH means the Tribulation Peroid??????? Excellent question!!!!!

REV 6:17...
"FOR THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME AND WHO SHALL BE ABLE TO STAND".

I think that most common sense thinking people see that what the Bible calls the WRATH of God is the coming Tribulation Period.

But to answer you challenge, I think I got it right. God's love is manifested in Jesus Christ. His love was on display on the cross of calvary. That love is the by product of GRACE and you and I live today in the "age of Grace" which many of us call the Dispensation of the Church.

AS I quoted from the Bible, not any church denominational teaching. The born again believers are the invisible church of humans who have come to Christ. THEY will be Raptured.
They are the church of Ephesians 5:32. They are the Bride of Christ. They will be saved from the WRATH of God.

2 Thess. 2:1-

"Now we beseech you brethern, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and by our "gathering together unto Him".

That is the Rapture my friend.

verse 3.
"Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come except there be a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed the son of perdition.
verse 4...Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God showing himself that he is God.

The "falling away" is man leaving the truth of
Gods Word and making up thigs he believes God
has told him. Listen, God speaks to us through
His written Word.

verse 6....And now ye know what withholdeth that HE might be revealed in his time.

"HE" here is the Holy Spirit.

Verse 7....For the mystery of iniquity does already work only HE (HS) who now letteth will let untill HE be taken out of the way.


Well, I have to go and watch my grandson play a baseball game. I am going to post this and finish it later.

As Arnold whats his name said........"I'll be bacK".

cliff notes please.

verse 3.
"Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come except there be a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed the son of perdition.
verse 4...Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God showing himself that he is God.

Major, Major, Major... you're quoting the one verse up above that disputes your pet pretrib rapture doctrine! I highlighted in bold the part that says this. I know what a shocker it is to see that there's no pretrib rapture, but I assure you, there is none.

But shouldn't we all desire nothing but the truth, no matter what doctrinal differences we have to lay aside? Believe me, I've had to lay aside many. Who cares if you have to humble yourself and retract your previously held prophecy beliefs if what you get in exchange for that is the truth? In fact, I disagree with Little Star that there will be a NWO right up until the Lord's coming, but I'm willing to listen to him prove to me through scripture that this isn't so (and the Holy Spirit).

While I'm replying to many of your responses that I've been getting since Thursday, 10/8/2009, I want you to watch something that feels powerful. Now, many of you will have already seen this, but some of you probably have not seen it yet, especially for those of you whom are less familiar with Ronald Weinland. If you have known about Ronald Weinland and/or Herbert W. Armstrong, but have not yet seen this short video, then please watch it:

[link to www.youtube.com]

Aaron

While I'm replying to many of your responses that I've been getting since Thursday, 10/8/2009, I want you to watch something that feels powerful. Now, many of you will have already seen this, but some of you probably have not seen it yet, especially for those of you whom are less familiar with Ronald Weinland. If you have known about Ronald Weinland and/or Herbert W. Armstrong, but have not yet seen this short video, then please watch it:

[link to www.youtube.com]

Aaron


Both are false prophets and I encourge you to spend your time in the Scripture instead.

Also so OP, I wanted to say this...
Your words here>>>

From the the time of the blowing of the 1st Trumpet of the 7th Seal of Revelation until the proposed date of 10/10/2009 for a nuclear event would mark precisely 300 days, so this would most definitely be a clear sign that God is allowing these events to occur to bring revelation to the truth about God's Church knowing the revelation of the timing of the 7th Seal, the 1st Trumpet, and the return of Jesus Christ to this Earth. However, I do realize and understand that God is in full control of the timing of those events, and I want to be clear that I'm not prophesying the date of 10/10, it'z definitely just my own personal understanding and might or might not pan-out to be correct.<<<<<

Those words will fail big time.
Why?
I tell ya by asking you a question....
Question? What will Christ come back for if the world is blown up? "Oh, I am sure we will hear about the rapture next to tell me that the Lord will come first"..
Again, traditions of men make void the Word of God.
If you ask 99% of Christians who comes next or first, Jesus or Satan, they will say "Jesus". That will get many into the bed of Satan which is why Christ says this in Mark 13:17" But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days."
I know the NIV talks about pregnant women in that scripture, but again that is a traditions of mans teachings.
Christ was using a metaphor, not condeming woman and children in that verse, plus the answer is found in the bible about that verse.
What Christ is teaching there are those falling for Satan thinking he is Jesus and they do his bidding for Satan thinking he is Jesus...
That should help many understand that verse..
Look up the word barren and see if it does not lead you to the old testie for the answer to Mark 13:17, you might just have your eyes opened.

Good morning OP!!!!

I am about to say somethings that will offend you and I know you have spent lots of hours on your thoughts of this Bible Prophesy, timing and 7th Seal and etc.

The main reason I decided to say anything is because of the timing that you give for Christ to come which if I read correctly is in the month of May.

That is why I am writing what I am going to say.

First, the 6th trump has not sounded. You have missed lots of info that make the 6th trump happen, and one of the biggest is that Satan himself and 7000 bad boys with him will come to earth de facto, meaning himself, not some flesh man of everyones choosings.

Satan will come in the time window of the first two weeks of May of what year I do not know. And that is why I even took the time to post anything on your thread.

He will only be here for 5 months which is confirmed by Christ Himself if you listen to Christ teach it instead of traditions of men. (Read Mark 13 again and listen to the words of Christ)

By you telling everyone that Jesus is coming in the month of May will lead many into the arms of Satan.
But, I will predict that your prophecy will fail big time and your timing is way off.

Since I know the 6th seal says that Satan comes, that is the bench mark. You can pick and choose whom ever you want to be your anti-christ , but there is only one and that will be Satan himself, not some flesh man. (Teachings of traditions of men is that they think some flesh hu-man character will be the anti-christ).
That is why the whole world will worship the real "anti-christ" because of the traditions of men and the way that they teach about the coming of anti-christ.
Now, where will Satan first show up?
7 Miles north of Mt. Zion... He and his little bad boy "Napha" angels will march from that point right into Jerusalem.....
See, not knowing about how many angels Satan will bring with him throws many off the real info of how many will be with Satan.
Lets say the bit "O" is the bad boy himself. We must ask ourselves, well where are the bad angels at?
Does not the bible tell you in the book of revie that Satan and HIS ANGELS are cast out of heaven? Bingo,,, forgot that with your info, correct?
If you think differently, that is fine by me, I am just pointing out that you cannot point out ONE FALLEN ANGEL TODAY TO ANYONE! Therefore, your timing is off a bit...
So, now that I have said this, I am sure like most Christians, I will be blasted by you..
Have a nice day.

The speculations and confusions of the Lawless. These things are perfectly foretold in the Law/Torah that was never done away but of his Heart of his Book in the Living Words who is the one remission of sin and of that Life given of his Blood.

Daniel 12. Outline of the Scattering to the Restoration of Power of the Holy People. Of the Redeemed.

1000/1000/500 - 1335 at 2500 - 1290 at -45/+45. To fit the timeline the +45 at Ezra/Nehemiah, the -45 at the putting forth of leaves of the Fig Tree.

Scattering to the Re-gathering of the secnod Exodus.

Jeremiah 46 / 586 BC / First Bondage 430 / Second Bondage X 6/At the X 7 the Bondservant will go free.

The witnesses of Revelation 11 are Lawful but only in Spirit and Truth that cannot be seperated for it is in the Heart of the Messiah, of his BEING.

Start with the Ten Commandments for those following them where there is Spirit and Truth of that remission of sin of an unconditional Yes to the Messiah of whose heart they still are shown in the Ark of the Covenant but more awesome in the Living Covenant of that true Ark.

YHVH Yahushua are ONE.

No Idols.

Use his NAME Yahuweh not a Baal Title.

Keep his Shalom of Shabbat not adding or taking away from the Living Shabbat. Yahushua is not a worship service but speaking of the Being as ONE with that Shabbat to do his commandments.

Love YHVH that way and then love others as loving oneself in Loving YHVH.

Honor mother and father.

No Murder.

No Adultery.

No Stealing.

No Bearing False Witness.

No Coveting.

No Lies.

Possible where there is remission of sin where the Walking is set in Yes One on One to the Messiah if one can walk in that truth as the one to do so must be born again of that Spirit and Truth where it is impossible to fail. A heart condition to strive against sin where there is forgiveness in confession and repentance before the Throne of Heaven.

Christ tells you in Mark 13:14 about Satan and when he stands in the temple... NOT some human..

PLus Christ tells you also in Mark 13:20 that He shorten the time of the prophecy of Daniel or no flesh shall be saved.
Christ shorten the time of Satan to 5 months. How do I know that? Rev. 9:5 and 9:10 are my two witness's scriptures and the season is told to us in that same chapter by the use of the word "locust". Locust are the fallen angels and it tells the life span of the real locust bugs.
Well, that just about raps it up for me, I hope OP that you are spiritually okay with what I wrote, and if you dis-agree, that will be fine by me.

But, no nukes, and the world leaders know that nukes cannot be used again, ever. They know what it does to the world, so all the nukie treats from places like Iran is just a huge play on getting people sucked into their controlling systems.
After all, look at the US and the laws and how they have changed since 911.

You cannot understand the prophecies of the end times without first understanding who the gentiles really are.

As I believe Wingedlion has said in another thread, the time of the gentiles is about to end. If you read Luke 21:24 - 32, this explains where we are at on God's timeline. Jesus said once you see all these things taking place, meaning being alive to see the end of the time of the gentiles, that very generation that sees all these things will be the generation that sees the Lord's return. There's differing interpretations on what constitutes a "generation" in the Bible, but it never defines a generation as a few years.

Who really are the gentiles? Not many people understand who they really are. Once you realize who they are, a whole lot of the Bible begins to make a heck of a lot more sense.

If you want to find God, why look in some made up book?

Why not just look at all the things it created?


NATURE!!

The speculations and confusions of the Lawless. These things are perfectly foretold in the Law/Torah that was never done away but of his Heart of his Book in the Living Words who is the one remission of sin and of that Life given of his Blood.

Daniel 12. Outline of the Scattering to the Restoration of Power of the Holy People. Of the Redeemed.

1000/1000/500 - 1335 at 2500 - 1290 at -45/+45. To fit the timeline the +45 at Ezra/Nehemiah, the -45 at the putting forth of leaves of the Fig Tree.

Scattering to the Re-gathering of the secnod Exodus.

Jeremiah 46 / 586 BC / First Bondage 430 / Second Bondage X 6/At the X 7 the Bondservant will go free.

The witnesses of Revelation 11 are Lawful but only in Spirit and Truth that cannot be seperated for it is in the Heart of the Messiah, of his BEING.

Start with the Ten Commandments for those following them where there is Spirit and Truth of that remission of sin of an unconditional Yes to the Messiah of whose heart they still are shown in the Ark of the Covenant but more awesome in the Living Covenant of that true Ark.

YHVH Yahushua are ONE.

No Idols.

Use his NAME Yahuweh not a Baal Title.

Keep his Shalom of Shabbat not adding or taking away from the Living Shabbat. Yahushua is not a worship service but speaking of the Being as ONE with that Shabbat to do his commandments.

Love YHVH that way and then love others as loving oneself in Loving YHVH.

Honor mother and father.

No Murder.

No Adultery.

No Stealing.

No Bearing False Witness.

No Coveting.

No Lies.

Possible where there is remission of sin where the Walking is set in Yes One on One to the Messiah if one can walk in that truth as the one to do so must be born again of that Spirit and Truth where it is impossible to fail. A heart condition to strive against sin where there is forgiveness in confession and repentance before the Throne of Heaven.







If you get a chance, do a real good study on the words "Born Again".
When you really do get down to doing that, you will find that no where in the manuscripts does it say "Born Again" as referred by your words. Yes, I know what you are sharing and it is wonderful and all, so don't mis-understand what I am sharing and saying.
Born again is not born again in the scriptures which you are referring to about Born Again. In the manuscripts is says "Born from Above".
Oh my, I wonder what that means?
If you interested ask and I will tell you how to find out for yourself.
Again, I understand what you shared, I am just presenting what is in the manuscripts, nothing more or less.







So is there a differene in being Grafted into the Tree of Life where the experience is of being Born Again, Born from Above, Baptized in the Life of the Holy Spirit of the baptizer Yahushua, having eternal life by the Power of the Life that was given of the Blood of the Lamb but that Holy Spirit is the One of Being with that Great King? Word definitions mean nothing. The Meaning of the Words for the Heart, He Means Everything. His Heart is in the Meanings of Spirit of the Words. Spirit Knowing vs. proper definitions for the Knowledge of the Mind. But that Mind be Renewed by the Mind of the Messiah. Presume someone must meet the definitions of man for being of Spirit and Truth or is it of the Heart of Knowing the Messiah by His Words of Life, as in saying Faith coming from Hearing the Living Word speaking to the heart.







I understand clearly, so don't be upset with me about what I presented, and again I just told you what is in the manuscripts.
Now you state that word definitions mean nothing, right?
That is funny we have definitions for all words of every language and today "definitions mean nothing" according to you. I am not making any strife with ya, just pointing out some things for ya... mmmm k..

Now, what does the words Born from Above mean in the manuscripts where it is used in the bible as written "born again"?
Born from above means that a human is born through a womans womb and did not side step Gods plan like the Napah, fallen angels that side stepped Gods plan of everyone being born of woman and having their spiritual body put into the flesh body.
Big difference, huh? Big difference from the words Born again... huh?
Again, I am not trying to blast you with the simple words of Born again verse's Born from Above. I am just sharing what is written in the manuscripts and what it means. mmm k?
Next you will be asking me if I am born again.. lol
Sure am! More than you can know, spiritually!

"That is why the whole world will worship the real "anti-christ" because of the traditions of men and the way that they teach about the coming of anti-christ."

i can guarentee ron is not on of these people.







What guarentee or guarantee can you give me that Ron is on or one of these people?

Bring me your guarantee and let me see it.. lol
Please don't be upset with me, I want validation, and I think I presented some good info that should keep peoples minds open to what is being said and what is written in the bible and or also the manuscripts...

And I say to you also, don't get upset with me, I do not follow any man, nor traditions of men.







the guarantee i have is my dicernment, i listen to rons sermons and it lines up with the bible to me. we are all humans capable of errors and with that said you should leave room for humbleness.

ron does not preach about a rapture before the rest of the trumpets blow. he does not preach the feel good sermon like most. do you have a link to any preacher or guidance? or is this your own dicernment

ps why would i be mad. you dont even erk me. i know where i stand with god and could possibly learn something from you, however i do not want a lesson in spelling lol







Sorry, I was not trying to give you a spelling lesson, I am dyslexic (real truth) and I mis-spell words all the time. lol
I never heard of Ron, but if this is what he is putting out as to what Op has posted, sorry I am not biting that apple.
Good tho that he teaches the correct timing of the gathering back other than the rapture end time deception..
I know all about Margret McDonald and her two brothers John and Bill and how the Caths. spread the lie of the rappie deceptions from Margret's evil vision...

Up to speed lady more than you know....And I am paying attention big time with world events... A news hound and a half.. lol " bark bark... lol

It feel so very sobering to see somebody else looking at this in the same light that I do. When you say that Ronald Weinland might be God's Prophet but would he really be 1 of the 2 End-Times Witnesses, I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. Are you meaning that you don't think that he is one of the 2 End-Time Witnesses because of the thingz that he has said ? I mean is it because you're thinking that an end-time witness is supposed to walk in a perfect light to God and cannot sin ?