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| Country Girl nli
User ID: 791101
10/10/2009 5:56 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Hey Major, do you have a scriptural reference for this...
Who will populate the Millennial Kingdom in mortal bodies??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 790758
MORTAL SOULS - NOT MORTAL(as in FLESH) BODIES) WILL populate the millennial kingdom.
And they will be governed by the 'first fruits' that have already put on immortality.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead (still having a mortal soul) lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. |
| rachel
User ID: 529732
10/10/2009 5:58 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
It feel so very sobering to see somebody else looking at this in the same light that I do. When you say that Ronald Weinland might be God's Prophet but would he really be 1 of the 2 End-Times Witnesses, I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. Are you meaning that you don't think that he is one of the 2 End-Time Witnesses because of the thingz that he has said ? I mean is it because you're thinking that an end-time witness is supposed to walk in a perfect light to God and cannot sin ?
rachel, if you read the ellen white you would know by now what the two witnesses are. ellen comments explaining the bible symbols perfectly. "Spiritually Sodom and Egypt" after the 1260 years was the French Revolution. All fulfilled prophecy.
[ link to www.whiteestate.org]
Two Witnesses
[ link to www.cyberspaceministry.org]
The 1260 Days <- very important
[ link to www.cyberspaceministry.org]
The 1290 Days
[ link to www.cyberspaceministry.org]
The 1335 Days
[ link to www.cyberspaceministry.org]
[link to www.revelations-two-witnesses.com]
The Beast from the Bottomless Pit
Walter Veith
[ link to video.google.com]
The Beast from the Bottomless Pit, The Illuminati, The French Revolution, The symbolic Two Witnesses, Ellen White writings on secret societies.
[ link to kingmannafta.com]
"And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouths, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy. And have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will." Revelation 11:5,6.
This prophecy is a parallel with that of Jesus in Revelation 22:18,19. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of this prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this book."
This will be the fate of ALL those who tamper with the sacred Scripture. These warnings were given by God to warn men against changing or adding to anything written in the Holy Scriptures. The Scriptures reveal God's plan for man from the beginning of creation until Christ's Second Coming, and also how he will provide for man after this Age. The Scriptures were given for man as a guide throughout his life to lead him through the gates of the New Jerusalem where he will dwell with God himself. (Revelation 21:1-4).
"And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the Bottomless Pit shall make war against them and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which SPIRITUALLY is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." Revelation 11:7.
This beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit is often confused with the Papacy, but this is not a prophecy of the Papacy since this prophecy starts near the end of the 1260 years. For 1260 years the Papacy did exactly what was foretold in Daniel 7:8, 23-25.
The beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit is the santanic force that caused the French Revolution and the overthrow of papal christianity shortly before the Papacy lost Pope Plus VI as its religious dictator. It is extremely important that the reader have some knowledge of the French Revolution to unmask this same satanic force working now in our time that will eventually involve the whole world.
This Secret Revolutionary Force that had its beginnings in the French Revolution is just another tool Lucifer has, and is using to further his plan to establish his eventual total Rule in this world. This Secret Revolutionary Force is predicted by Scripture to unite with the Mother of Harlots, which is a symbol of the Roman Catholic Church, Apostate Protestantism, and all other religious movements that teach Babylonian Illuminism, or Spirtualism. This Confederacy between the false religions and the political powers of this world is just history repeating itself. It is another attempt to unite man under one banner leaving the Lord out, as it was in the days of Nimrod.
We need to look inside the history of the French Revolution and study the subversive groups that actually caused the Revolt. History books tell us that the French Revolution first began in 1787 or 1789 depending on which book you read. However, it was actually planned by Dr. Adam Weishaupt and the House of Rothschild almost 20 years before the Revolution took place.
Dr. Adam Weishaupt produced the blue print for it, while the House of Rothschild provided the money. This Apostle of Lucifer, Adam Weishaupt was born a Jew, converted to Catholicism, then turned to Witchcraft, where he became an expert, and founded another sect of the Illuminati. This sect of illuminati was founded May 1st, 1776. Like Freemasonry, the Illuminati is a Luciferian movement to preserve and promote the ancient Black Arts of Babylonian and Druid Witchcraft. Its goals are to destroy Christianity and all world governments, and then unite them under a one world government whose ruler is Lucifer.
[ link to www.benabraham.com]
i read that book years ago, great book |
| rachel
User ID: 529732
10/10/2009 6:02 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
It feel so very sobering to see somebody else looking at this in the same light that I do. When you say that Ronald Weinland might be God's Prophet but would he really be 1 of the 2 End-Times Witnesses, I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. Are you meaning that you don't think that he is one of the 2 End-Time Witnesses because of the thingz that he has said ? I mean is it because you're thinking that an end-time witness is supposed to walk in a perfect light to God and cannot sin ?
rachel, if you read the ellen white you would know by now what the two witnesses are. ellen comments explaining the bible symbols perfectly. "Spiritually Sodom and Egypt" after the 1260 years was the French Revolution. All fulfilled prophecy.
[ link to www.whiteestate.org]
Two Witnesses
[ link to www.cyberspaceministry.org]
The 1260 Days <- very important
[ link to www.cyberspaceministry.org]
The 1290 Days
[ link to www.cyberspaceministry.org]
The 1335 Days
[ link to www.cyberspaceministry.org]
[link to www.revelations-two-witnesses.com]
The Beast from the Bottomless Pit
Walter Veith
[ link to video.google.com]
The Beast from the Bottomless Pit, The Illuminati, The French Revolution, The symbolic Two Witnesses, Ellen White writings on secret societies.
[ link to kingmannafta.com]
"And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouths, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy. And have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will." Revelation 11:5,6.
This prophecy is a parallel with that of Jesus in Revelation 22:18,19. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of this prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this book."
This will be the fate of ALL those who tamper with the sacred Scripture. These warnings were given by God to warn men against changing or adding to anything written in the Holy Scriptures. The Scriptures reveal God's plan for man from the beginning of creation until Christ's Second Coming, and also how he will provide for man after this Age. The Scriptures were given for man as a guide throughout his life to lead him through the gates of the New Jerusalem where he will dwell with God himself. (Revelation 21:1-4).
"And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the Bottomless Pit shall make war against them and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which SPIRITUALLY is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." Revelation 11:7.
This beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit is often confused with the Papacy, but this is not a prophecy of the Papacy since this prophecy starts near the end of the 1260 years. For 1260 years the Papacy did exactly what was foretold in Daniel 7:8, 23-25.
The beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit is the santanic force that caused the French Revolution and the overthrow of papal christianity shortly before the Papacy lost Pope Plus VI as its religious dictator. It is extremely important that the reader have some knowledge of the French Revolution to unmask this same satanic force working now in our time that will eventually involve the whole world.
This Secret Revolutionary Force that had its beginnings in the French Revolution is just another tool Lucifer has, and is using to further his plan to establish his eventual total Rule in this world. This Secret Revolutionary Force is predicted by Scripture to unite with the Mother of Harlots, which is a symbol of the Roman Catholic Church, Apostate Protestantism, and all other religious movements that teach Babylonian Illuminism, or Spirtualism. This Confederacy between the false religions and the political powers of this world is just history repeating itself. It is another attempt to unite man under one banner leaving the Lord out, as it was in the days of Nimrod.
We need to look inside the history of the French Revolution and study the subversive groups that actually caused the Revolt. History books tell us that the French Revolution first began in 1787 or 1789 depending on which book you read. However, it was actually planned by Dr. Adam Weishaupt and the House of Rothschild almost 20 years before the Revolution took place.
Dr. Adam Weishaupt produced the blue print for it, while the House of Rothschild provided the money. This Apostle of Lucifer, Adam Weishaupt was born a Jew, converted to Catholicism, then turned to Witchcraft, where he became an expert, and founded another sect of the Illuminati. This sect of illuminati was founded May 1st, 1776. Like Freemasonry, the Illuminati is a Luciferian movement to preserve and promote the ancient Black Arts of Babylonian and Druid Witchcraft. Its goals are to destroy Christianity and all world governments, and then unite them under a one world government whose ruler is Lucifer.
[ link to www.benabraham.com]
[link to www.benabraham.com] book one and two i read at leat 10 years ago along with ellen whites book......these books taught me a lot |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 790628
10/10/2009 6:16 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
MORTAL SOULS - NOT MORTAL(as in FLESH) BODIES) WILL populate the millennial kingdom. Quoting: Country Girl nli 791101
At the return of Christ before the millennium we the saints are change or resurrected with new immortal bodies (flesh) meeting Christ in the clouds to populate the kingdom of heaven for 1000 years. Just as Christ did when he was risen. He had a new body.
1 Tim.6:13-16 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1 Thes.4:16-18 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Cor.15:50-54 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[link to www.1000yearmillennium.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 791101
10/10/2009 6:23 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
MORTAL SOULS - NOT MORTAL(as in FLESH) BODIES) WILL populate the millennial kingdom.
At the return of Christ before the millennium we the saints are change or resurrected with new immortal bodies (flesh) meeting Christ in the clouds to populate the kingdom of heaven for 1000 years. Just as Christ did when he was risen. He had a new body.
1 Tim.6:13-16 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
1 Thes.4:16-18 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Cor.15:50-54 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[link to www.1000yearmillennium.com]
I guess you missed this??
1 Cor.15:50-54 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
There can not and will not be, 'flesh bodies' in God's Kingdom.
Study some more - you failed with that argument. |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
10/10/2009 6:31 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Little Star, I'm sorry if I missed it in this thread, but do you agree with the OP's interpretation that the 7th seal was opened on November 2008 and that in 962 days from now, Jesus Christ will return?
NO, I do not... And it does not matter.
Why?
Because I know that when Satan comes with his little monsters that we will only have 5 months left at that time.
No, the 7th seal has not been opened!
Too many prophets and not enough study for themselves.
Little Star, do you agree that the tares will be harvested off the Earth before that time you say that "Satan comes with his little monsters"? Also, what do you believe Mystery Babylon is?
Yes the tares will be gathered before we gather back to Christ, it will all be done in less than a day tho... ;)
The Mystery Babylon is>>>>> peoples ignorance of what was, what is, and what will be.....
Pay attention to Rev. 17:5 and then 17:15 defines what the Mystery Babylon is...
Listen to the words there...
Rev. 17:15 " And he saith unto me, the (WATERS) which thou saweth, where the WHORE (SAME AS MYSTERY BABYLON)sitteth, are the peoples (all races), and multitudes (majority do not know what is going on), nations (all nations, not just the US like we see all the time on threads..) and tongues, which means in all languages is the babel (which really means in its prime "confusion").
And we see it daily here on glp and world wide sights, in churches, out of churches, in all politics and etc.
The beast systems are Political, educational, economical, and the worse "RELIGION".... Grand deceptions are carried about by these four beast systems.
Question" Which one has your soul"? Ment for anyone reading what I posted.
I know I will get some great teaching by someone telling me who the Mystery Babylon really is.. And most likely it will be the US...
Hmmm, I haven't heard that Mystery Babylon is "peoples ignorance of what was, what is, and what will be." I believe it to be the gentile's kingdom, or the secret kingdom of the Nephilim that rule the world now. It's interesting to read other people's interpretations though. We'll have to respectfully disagree on this one. 
First thing I would like to say it is a real privilege to chat with you and all the rest of the people chatting on this thread. I would also like to say that after 8 years of being on glp, this is the "First Time" that there has been a conversation on the bible and no in-fighting going on, and to me that is a sign of the Holy Spirit. So I am proud to know each and every one of you that are posting.
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Now I reposted my comments for you sir, and I would like for you to re-read your bible in this area that I posted because there is no guess work, the bible defines what I posted about the Mystery of Babylon for us all to see. It is the confusion of the world that is the mystery (key word there) and Babylon in it "RRIME WORD" means confusion... And as we read each others post, is there not confusion on what we think is going to happen when we read scripture?
I want to also interject this along with what I just posted to verify my thought on this that the Mystery of Babylon is what Rev. 17:15 defines and here is some scripture in the old testie that we must get under out belts (figure of speech) to help us understand that not everyone is going to understand the Word.. Bible says so..
Here is my refer. of what I am talking about.
Isaiah 29:9 to 14.
Read that for yourselves very carefully.
I will give a short scenario of what it is saying in the King James bible.
A man brings the bible to a very learned well educated person. The man asks that person to read the Word. The educated man says he cannot because the "Book is sealed".
Then the man takes it to a man who has no education.
Same thing, the man says the "book is sealed".
The we see that God tells us that the Word is taught by the precepts of mens...AKA "traditions of men" which I have used many times on glp quoting that info.
Now in the Book of Rev. we see that there is only ONE who is worthy of opening the seals. This is a reflection of Isaiah 29 which I asked you all to read. So Christ is the only one who can open the seals of the Word. In REv. chapter 7:3 we see a command from God telling the angles not to do any harm to earth until all of those that God knows who's hearts and strength He can trust to make a stand against the evil systems and Satan when He comes is sealed. What is the sealing? Taking away the Babylon "confusion" from scripture.
I call myself "little star" for a reason. I know of only about 3 people who come here on glp that understand my little folly of using the name "little star". What does that have to do with the conversation? Well when you study,and you find out what the "Stars are" from Jobe 38:7 and in the book of Rev. and etc., then the seals are opened to you.. Is not Christ the morning Star, and Satan the fake morning Star?
My advise has always been, listen to Christ teachings, for He opens the seals by the way of His words of teaching "hidden manna".
I am not something special at all, and I am only doing my best to open the eyes that God really opens to the Word. I lead the way by telling you to listen to Christ, not me, nor anyone.
I took a side step there to help those who are confused as to what I say and project on scripture. I know to some I seem proud and arrogant at times. It is the farthest thing from my mind to be proud and arrogant. I am a servant to all, and the Lord is my Shepherd.
Now the huge confusion on the 666 comes from not understanding the "Star" symbolics that is laced through out the Word. It is like Rev. 6:13, "And the Stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casted her 'UNTIMELY FIGS", when she is shaken of a mighty wind."
Look at that scripture. If stars hit the earth which they are like our sun we have that warms us daily, they would destroy the earth, correct?
So symbolically those stars are Napha, "AKA fallen angels that will come to earth with Satan.
Now Listen up>>> Christ told you to learn this and He command you in Mark 13:28 to learn it. He did not ask you He commanded you by using the word "NOW".
And it goes like this...
Mark 13:28 "Now learn a parable of the "FIG TREE"; WHEN HER BRANCH IS YET TENDER, AND PUTTETH FORTH LEAVES, YE KNOW THAT SUMMER IS NEAR."
Now what did Rev. 6:13 says? See the connection?
Also as a side point Jeremiah 24:all talks about the "Good figs and the bad figs.."
In the garden of Eden, there were "Figs" mentioned, but few get it.
Now I have shared much here, and if you cannot follow it and feel it is incorrect, that is okay by me. No pride here saying that because I am not the one who is going to "SEAL" YOU , but the Holy Spirit will by the way of the Lord and the angels that work with the Father. The sealing is taking place now, and the MYSTERY BABYLON is falling by the way of the SEALING of TRUTH BY GOD , not by some church or traditions of men.
I read daily here on glp, traditions of me, and it blinds people and makes confusions to the minds of those that get stung by the scorpions turning their minds to mush, false doctrine.
This all should help anyone understand what the real Mystery of Babylon is and who are the "STARS" that fall from Heaven... See, the word Heaven in Rev. 6:13, it is not space that heaven, but "THE HEAVEN" of where God is.
After you understand the metaphors, figures of speech, and Hebraism's in the Word, you will have to Bible open up to you and receive not only a better understanding of Scripture, but you will know that God is sealing you...
Please do not blast me because you might have been taught about something and have preached it for years and years. Please in respect for what I have just given, study the info first before you object to it.
I love you all in the Lord.. And I thank you all for your patience..
Blessings. |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
10/10/2009 6:51 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Little Star, are you still reading this thread? If so, I'd like to ask your views on the NWO. I notice that you believe the NWO will soon take over the whole world and all will be under its control and that it won't be abolished until Jesus' 2nd coming. If this is indeed your belief, how do you reconcile the whole chapter of Daniel 11 and 12 which talk about the king of the south will "push at him" and the ships of Chittim will oppose him, and tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him, right up until the end of the age? Quoting: ThreshingSword
Your question has much for me to say to fill in the blanks for why I believe the way I do.
First off who are or what is the ships of Chittim?
Daniel 11:30 Speaks of the "Ships of Chittim."
What are they?
Well they are not some real ships as you might think.
Here is what they are...And they will go against Satan if you read Dan. 11 correctly from 11:21 onward.
The Bruisers are found in Mark 13:11 and what they will do and say.. The Bruisers are the "SHIPS OF CHITTIM"> again it is a play on symbolics here in Daniel 11.
Mark 13:11, they are the 7000 spoken of in Romans 11:4 and my second witness to this is found in 1 Kings 19:18.
See God has 7000 of elect that are sealed when Satan arrives with his 7000 bad angels that will come with him.
And they will do what Christ said in Mark 13:11.
God knows they will not bend a knee to Baal, symbolically a play on Satan and his actions and what he does mentioned in Daniel 11 and 12.
So yes, Gods elect will be here and another way of proving it is in Rev. chapter 9 when God commands Satan that he can sting all he wants(deceive) but cannot touch those that are sealed.
See Rev. (9:4) God tells Satan there not to touch those that are sealed. Why does God have to command Satan not to touch them if they are raptured out? They are not raptured at that point in time at the 6th trump, 6th seal, and 6th vile.
There is so much figures of speech and Hebraism in that chapter 9 and if you don't have a handle on it, you will stumble at that chapter.
Example, in verse 8 the words "hair of a women" is a figure of speech Hebraism that means" The bad boy angels Napha, fallen angels will come being very gentle, soft, shiny, and so sweet to deceive if possible the very elect.
Here, try this test for yourself.
Go to Ecclesiastes chapter 12: if is nothing but figures of speech and metaphors. 99% of the pastors that I speak to do not understand that chapter. And there has been many times when I explained it to them, they have wept in front of me knowing the Holy Spirit has guided me. Then what is SOOOO cool, is they teach their congregation what I shared. And the Lord gets the praise for that...
If you can't understand the simple metaphors of Eccl. chapter 12, you will never understand prophecy at the fullness.
I hope I don't offend anyone, again, I am sure I will hear someone tell me I am prideful and uppity, but is is not folks, it is me trying my best over the net to get everyone to take a deep study into the area's that I have shared to open eyes and to rejoice in knowing the the Lord is in control.
Blessings. |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
10/10/2009 6:58 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
verse 3.
"Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come except there be a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed the son of perdition.
verse 4...Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God showing himself that he is God.
Major, Major, Major... you're quoting the one verse up above that disputes your pet pretrib rapture doctrine! I highlighted in bold the part that says this. I know what a shocker it is to see that there's no pretrib rapture, but I assure you, there is none.
But shouldn't we all desire nothing but the truth, no matter what doctrinal differences we have to lay aside? Believe me, I've had to lay aside many. Who cares if you have to humble yourself and retract your previously held prophecy beliefs if what you get in exchange for that is the truth? In fact, I disagree with Little Star that there will be a NWO right up until the Lord's coming, but I'm willing to listen to him prove to me through scripture that this isn't so (and the Holy Spirit). Quoting: ThreshingSword
That is fine that you disagree with me about the NWO, but I have no control over anyone or their thoughts. And I cannot seal anyone. But as I posted above this, if you read carefully about Rev. chapter 9, you will see that the elect are still here on earth doing Gods work and what will happen is that many will have their eyes open after the Mark 13:11 event takes place. Many will be awoken in the last hour and also in the "hour of temptation" which is when Satan is here...
The Kenites rule the world today, there papa is Satan, direct blood line. Michael holds Satan right now in a pit and that is why you see the "STAR" fall from Heaven in Rev. 9:1 which is Satan and he comes out of the bottomless pit. And there is no guess work in that because verse 11 of chapter 9 defines and takes the guess work out of it all by telling you that it is Satan himself, not some man that is taught by the churches today. (Again traditions of men burn the minds of those seeking the truth, which God calls scorpions)"IN other words< mis-teachings...."
Not my words, but in the Word.
So the NWO is controlled by the Kenites today, which means they are getting things ready for their daddy.. |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
10/10/2009 7:06 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
As I mentioned before, I know of only 3 people that come to glp that understood my play on my avatar name choice.
And Country Girl is one of them...
She is sealed by God, I have never met her, and I don't email her, and I have no idea where she lives. But she is sealed and how I know is that she can bring forth the same information that I have, and sometimes even better. I am better in person than in typing on the net. My English is a bit poor so I have to find words that I can spell and write to make things clear as I can. I hope this helps you understand the value of metaphors, Hebraism, and figures of speech and learning them. There is lots of hidden manna that gets revealed when you get a handle on those things.
Again, that is why I mentioned Eccl. chapter 12 to all of you. Most here have no idea what it is talking about in that chapter. I have in the past even challenged someone who was giving me a hard time to validate it for us. And you should of read some of the response that we all read at that time. Funny and way off base.
Now, I made these statements and they are not of pride and of boasting, so please do not slam me to the floor. Just take what I have given and go verify. I teach, and my number one I do is teach others how to verify. And by doing so, I tell them that when they get to the point of learning on their own, I get to step aside and they can have a one on one with God in His Word without me being the middle man like most pastors like to be. I am not your Shepherd, I am an elect and a humble servant to all. |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
10/10/2009 7:15 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Little Star, I'm sorry if I missed it in this thread, but do you agree with the OP's interpretation that the 7th seal was opened on November 2008 and that in 962 days from now, Jesus Christ will return?
Well, I guess I am the one to pop the ballon here.
Lets talk first of what does the Bible say. I have just read a lot of stuff, especially from the OP, and it was well written. The problem is that none of it is true.
Sorry to hurt your feelings my friend. I do not enjoy doing that but if we are going to manke Bible referrences, and believe them to be the basis of truth to substainte our OPINIONS, we must then use ALL of them.
Having said that let me quote something for you from the Word of God in Matthew 24:36.................
"But of THAT DAY, and hour, KNOWETH NO MAN, NO NOT EVEN THE ANGELS OF HEAVEN, BUT MY FATHER ONLY."
Now, if Jesus does not know, and the angels do not know, what in Gods name makes you think you know when Jesus is coming???? Before you can speak on the bowls, vials, trumpets and judgments, you must first answer that question.
There are so many errors in your posting that I simply can not take the time to respond all of them.
First of all you said nothing about the Rapture.
1 Thess. 5:9
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath (Tribulation Peroid) but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ".
1 Thess.4:16
"For the Lord himself shall desend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (Latin for RAPTURO)together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord".
Do you just tear this page out of the Bible and throw it away??? It is right there for you to read.
For you to believe that the judgments of Revelation have begun, you have got to ignore the Doctine of the Rapture.
WHY you may ask?????
Look at Revelation 4:1 and see if it sounds familiar to you.
"After this, (THe events of chapters 1-3) I looked and behold a door was opened in heaven, and the first voice I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me, which said come up hither and I will show you the things which must be here-after."
That my friend is the RAPTURE!!!
John moves to the future and beyond the church. Listen folks, the Great Tribulation Peroid that is coming has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHURCH. The church is Raptured in 4:1 and it is then that God turns and deals with Israel.
IT IS ALL ABOUT ISRAEL NOT THE CHURCH.
The seals, bowls, and vials all come AFTER THE RAPTURE.
There is no Biblical way around this friends. NONE!!!
As far as someone knowing what is included in the "THUNDERS", they are very, very mis-informed.
Read the verse for your self.
Rev. 10:4
"And when the seven "thunders" had uttered their voices, I was about to write, and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me; SEAL UP THOSE SAYINGS WHICH THE SEVEN THUNDERS UTTERED AND WRITE THEM NOT".
There is no record of what they said!! NONE!!
Now, for one to say today that he knows what they are, is to say that they are more important than the "disciple who Jesus loved the most", an Apostle and the one who wrote more about the eternal past and eternal future of God than anyone else of all the Scriptures. Sorry friends, I aint buying that one.
Major, I don't think anyone agrees with the OP on his timing. Respectfully, I think he is wrong too. But even more respectfully, Major, I think you, also, are wrong. To start with, in all love, you are confused on what the tribulation is and what the Lord's wrath is. They're completely different things. Yes, we aren't appointed to wrath, but tribulation, yes we will go through that.
If you want to see the truth, I can tell you more what the Lord has shown me concerning Israel and the church, because you're also misinformed about that when you said "IT IS ALL ABOUT ISRAEL, NOT THE CHURCH." I used to think this way, too, until the Lord showed me differently. It's how I was taught all growing up, since 4th grade in the Assembly of God churches. But they are/were wrong, and they taught me wrong.
Understood and I receive your rebuke in the name of Jesus as His love transsends all of our thoughts. Thank you for responding.
Lets talk about this Biblically because truth is not what we say it it, it is what God says it is.
NOPE. I think I got it right. God love is manifested in Jesus Christ. His love was on display on the cross of calvary. That love is the by product of GRACE and you and I live today in the "age of Grace" which many of us call the Dispensation of the Church.
AS I quoted from the Bible, not any church denominational teaching. The born again believers are the invisible church of humans who have come to Christ. THEY will be Raptured.
2 Thess. 2:1-
"Now we beseech you brethern, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and by our "gathering together unto Him".
That is the Rapture my friend.
verse 3.
"Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come except there be a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed the son of perdition.
verse 4...Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God showing himself that he is God.
The "falling away" is man leaving the truth of
Gods Word.
verse 6....And now ye know what withholeth that HE might be revealed in his time.
"HE" here is the Holy Spirit.
Verse 7....For the mystery of iniquity does already work only HE (HS) who now letteth will let untill HE be taken out of the way.
Well, I have to go and watch my grandson play a baseball game. I am going to post this and finish it later.
As Arnold whats his name said........"I'll be bacK". Quoting: Major 647112
My friend Major, you are correct in saying that the scripture you mentioned is the gathering back to the Lord. But that is not the question.The main question is the timing. The timing is way off which is taught in 90 %of the churches. Those who think Christ is coming first to rapture the church away, will be deceived. I think I have shown why they will be deceived by asking simple questions as to why God has to command Satan and his little bad boys not to touch those that are sealed in Rev. chapter 9. You can't tell me that Gods elect are going to be in heaven when Satan comes because of Rev. 9:4. There are too many false teachings, and once someone is burned into their mind about the rapture, it usually makes them upset when someone points out that their teachings are wrong. I have found out first hand what happens in churches. The elders come down hard on someone going against that teaching. And what I have found out is that when you go against that teaching, you are ousted in those churches, and called a renegade Christian in their eyes. See, they worship the rapture more than Christ.
Again, I gave reference to why it was mis-taught in above postings on this thread. Paul tells you at the LAST TRUMP which number 7 is the last trump when everyone changes in a twinkle of an eye and we gather back to Christ.
As a matter of fact I am going to say something and stick my neck on the butchers block by telling you this.
A half a day before Christ comes will we gather back to Christ, and not before. Don't ask me how I know this, I can show it in the bible, but I would have to spend days teaching it right up to the point of the two witness's going to heaven.. That is too much to try and do over the net. Sorry.. Not coping out, just fact from experience. Every time I have in the past over the net, it did not get anywhere. But in person when I get to move through scriptures, many begin to see for themselves....
I again just want to say, it is a real blessing for me to be on this thread and a honor to see others wise enough not to fight or dis-respect someones point of view and belief. Thanks to all of you for that.. |
| rodm
User ID: 774495
10/10/2009 7:45 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
thanks this looks real interesting...
Possibly in these last days, God will reveal truth to us in the inner man...Truth that aligns itself with the original, which was SPIRIT... For is that not what true Christianity was in the beginning? BEFORE it was written? Life in the book of Acts was "a walk" a secret walk with Jesus". |
| rodm
User ID: 774495
10/10/2009 8:34 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Look! I have read a lot of this stuff, and while it can be a lot to absorb, here is my conclusion: If God (Jesus) doesn't reveal Himself to you, then all else matters little....If He has to begin the process and reveal Himself to you, and if He also has to draw you, giving you a desire for Him, then give you faith, and all that pertains to godliness, then what do I say about all these other things, that may not even be useful to a simple man, or someone who can't read or comprehend details such as this?
I say it is about the revelation of Jesus, to you....
So I fall back on what many refuse to lean upon...Experience....What did they have in the book of Acts? Experience...An experience with Jesus......
Here is mine:
NOTE: Below I share 4 dreams, I never have had 4 dreams like this nor before or since..They happened over a 2-4 yr period of time (not sure of the exact time frame)...Anyway, they were very different, it was as if I was really there, not like a normal dream..
First...How Jesus met me:
I came from a violent home, (drugs, alcohol, gun shots, being chased with knives, people thrown through picture pane windows), in fact I was born three months early because my father kicked my mother in the stomach, breaking her water. I was born weighing two pounds nine ounces.
As early as 7yrs old, I was out on the streets till 3-4am, I was put in several orphanages...
I remember, late one night my father snuck into our house, he put a loaded pistol in my hand and told me too shoot my sisters and my mother, it was crazy. Through all of this, (which I wouldn't change), I came out a fairly normal kid, I was involved in sports and didn't do drugs, or drink. I thought I was a survivor, wanting only too make it through another day.
At the age of 16 I started too sense a need in my life, an emptiness that I couldn't explain.
I knew I had to find God/Jesus, but who was HE? I had no idea where to find HIM, so I went to the local library to find books concerning world religions, God, and the occult. At the library I met Gary Osborn he saw my books and decided to share the message with me. Gary invited me to pray with him and his wife, so I did, I remember saying "God forgive me for my sins, and whatever you have for me I want it all". At first nothing happened I expected, lightening or something. Gary said, "Just go home and praise God" I said, "What's that, mean" Gary said, "Just thank him".
The remaining is sacred to me. Before I asked Jesus into my heart, I never heard voices, I never drank, and I never did drugs, but one week after meeting Jesus while in the middle of my last class, while at school, A voice, just as clear, as someone standing next too you, spoke, the voice spoke, it said to me, "tell them about Jesus" I was surprised, but unafraid, I put my hand over my mouth, since I didn't want anyone to think I was talking to myself, I said (to whoever spoke to me) "I don't know what to say" the voice said "don't be afraid, I'll give you the words to say" To this day I don't remember what I said, but I spoke to those kids about Jesus and salvation, their mouths just dropped open and then, class was over, I walked out of that room, feeling like I had never felt before.
The next day was Saturday; I slept in the living room on an old couch. When I woke it was early and I decided to turn on the TV, to watch my favorite cartoon, the roadrunner. As I sat there watching the TV, I got up and looked outside, everything was so beautiful, (I never appreciated nature, I just wanted too make it through another day). BUT now it was so pretty, I sat back down on the couch, and as I did, all of a sudden I was somewhere else.
I was sitting at a long rough hewn table, to my right was Jesus, in front of me was the father, I couldn't see him, I just knew he was there. To my left was Satan, him I could see (he looked like a man only very big). Instantly three bowls appear, filled with what looked like porridge. Now the father spoke and said Satan dismiss yourself, Satan stood and screamed, then vanished. Three bites were taken out of the bowl. Then all at once I was watching myself from a distance, like watching a big screen TV. I was walking with Jesus up a grassy pathway. Jesus was speaking to me but from a distance I couldn't hear him, I could see myself shaking my head (like I understand) then through my eyes I saw the TV, the cartoon was still playing, I was again in the house, where I had been sleeping.
I didn't know what had happened! I'd never experienced anything like that before! I KNEW GOD loved me and wanted something from me...My total surrender, my life totally under his control, every second, moment by moment, and I was consumed with this one desire, to PLEASE HIM; Let me give you an example: When a friend from school would come over and say, "Let's go to a show" I'd say, "hold on." Then Id go in the bathroom and pray, "Lord should I go?" Sometimes the Lord would say "go", sometimes "no" At times He was silent, when this happened I would look inside my heart, (Spirit) (Colossians 3:15) if I had peace I would go, If not, Id stay home.
As I practiced this new desire, (surrender), I noticed the voice of the Lord became more frequent and clearer, (John 10:27). The word of the Lord will always agree with the true meaning of the scripture. (Although it may not agree with your interpretation of the scriptures). There can be a difference between "the Word" and "the Scriptures".
I new I needed to get a bible, I went to a bookstore and I got the largest family bible Id ever seen, with pictures and everything, lol.
I was so happy. That night the voice of the lord said, "Read Matthew 5." I had to look in the contents; I didn't know where Matthew was. When I found it and started to read, the words became a ("Word of the Lord to me") they just jumped off the page, they seemed to come alive, and they filled me, with hope, love and peace. I knew God loved me, my sins were gone, I was forgiven...
As time passed I grew in Him. Sometimes Id walk into a busy office or building and the Lord would say go sit by that guy. I would strike up a conversation, then say "you don't know me but I'm a Christian and God is going to share with me about your life" I don't mean simple things like "you have the flu" or "Headaches", but deep, personal things that others couldn't know or even guess. People would usually start to cry and ask "how did you know?" I'd say "I didn't but God knew, and He loves you, and sent me to talk with you".
One of the lessons from the Lord concerning trusting Him happened like this; I was traveling from Philly to Atlantic city, I got on the road, and started to hitch a ride, (it wasn't illegal at that time) within one hour and twenty minuets I was in Atlantic city (which was a one hour drive!) I got 4 different rides, as I stepped into each vehicle I boldly proclaimed "Hi I'm a child of the King, and God's going to bless you for picking me up!" God gave me very personal details about each of those people and all but one came to Christ.
When I got to Atlantic City, God said, "when you get to the prayer meeting tonight I want you to give all your money, to Johnnie". I said "Lord that's all I've got?" (About 300.00) God replied; "you take care of your brothers and sisters in the Lord and I'll take care of you." So upon arriving in Atlantic City, I secretly gave all my money to Johnnie, (this was to cover something for Johnnie that was very personal, so I know he didn't share this with anyone).
That night I asked myself "how am I going to get back to work, tomorrow? I didn't have a penny, not even enough for bus fare, and in my spirit I knew I wasn't to hitch hike, but instead the Lord wanted me on the bus. After sleeping that night and leaving the brothers house the next day, I started walking to the bus station. As I got closer and closer, I was imagining, "is the driver going to just "know" he's suppose to let me ride for free?" But as I approached the depot, a brother named "Chicky" came out of his house and said "I think the Lord wants me to give this to you." It was exactly what I needed for bus fare!
This has been a short summary of my life.
Oh one more thing. Life didn't continue this way for me, I ruined that.
Should I confess the most difficult thing in my life with you?
After all we are strangers!
After living this way for sometime and seeing my life change, and having peace beyond comprehension. I disobeyed the lord after he spoke too me. I lived to obey him, it was my passion…But there was a problem in my life that God wanted to fix. (God wants us to love Him most of all. He doesn't want anyone else to even be a close second place in our life.)
I knew a man, he was a believer, and his name was Bob. Bob is dead now, I loved him very much, he was like the father I didn't have. One day I went to visit Bob, we talked and prayed for a while then Bob said, "Paula is gone (Bob's wife). "Why don't you go to dinner with me"? Immediately the Lord spoke "don't go! I said "Bobby I can't go". He said "go with me". I said "Bob I can't". I prayed back to the lord, in my mind saying "Lord it will be alright, you know I don't drink, I'll just eat something with Bob" The Lord didn't reply. So we went. All was well until a brother named Aggie started to argue with Bob. I couldn't watch, so I started to leave, as I went outside Bob said "if your going to walk you might as well walk all the way back too Washington, and don't come back" OH the pain. Well the next morning, Bob and Paula showed up, Bob said "forgive me I'm so sorry", the Lord spoke instantly and said "forgive him, go to him tell him it's ok and that you love him". I said "Lord I can't. I won't, it hurts too bad". So. My life, outside of God's will, was torture. No peace, no answers, sin in total control.
Jean Nicholas Grou says, "God delights in two things, for a man to know God and to know himself." I now know what I'm capable of without him, living life for myself, Sinning, being rebellious.
Brokenness Dream; Dream #1:
I was on the head of a beast, in a large body of water (Like the ocean). It was night and the darkness was so real it could be felt. The clouds above were very thick and black. The beast was thrashing as if it wanted to throw me off. I was so afraid!
I was holding on as tight as I could. Then I looked up, and when I did, the clouds opened and rays of light came through the clouds, with the light came that voice that I had heard before and knew so well.
He said "Rod; if I'm ever to use you, I must break you"!
I woke, wet with sweat, shaking...Saying as I woke, "thank you, Lord you haven't forgotten me"
Here is Dream #2:
I am in a church; it is a large church, one that in reality I have never seen. This was a dream that was so real; it was as if I were really there.
In the dream I am cleaning the bathroom floor, on my hands and knees, with a small brush. I stand as a priest comes into the room. I start to speak to him, about spiritual things, he listens, and then I leave the restroom and enter the foyer.
I notice the large room is built in a round fashion and that the windows are also large. People are leaving to go outside. As I exit the building, an earthquake hits, I look up and the sky is doing this "warp 9 star trek" kind of thing. I look to my left and I notice a man is in his car, his head is bleeding, he is dead.
Everyone starts to rejoice, saying "yes that is the big one"! I yell "No". "There is another one coming, and it is much larger"
I start to run for my home, and as I cross a large open area, I reach what looks like a ditch. I jump, but instead of a ditch it a huge open area, a chasm, the ground thousands of feet below! I start to fall so fast, picking up speed as I fall. I yell out "Jesus save me" Something grabs me and lowers me to the ground gently...I start running again.
Here is Dream # 3.
I see a street sign, the name on the sign is Jordan Road. I am walking and then I get picked up by someone in a van. He asks were I'm going and I tell him a few miles ahead.
Then as we reach the destination, I thank him, and look to my right, there is a house in a field. The house is glowing and the light is emanating from the inside of the house, and is visible to me even from a distance.
I know the people within the house are waiting for me, and that I have been somewhere, doing HIS will / work, and that I traveled in a spiritual way, but arrived back in the van.
The love and light from the house are supernatural, the love I feel for them, and the love I perceive from them is not normal love.
Here is Dream # 4:
I am in a large room, with many people, I recognize one or two people, the room is full of people from many different places.
I am standing on a raised platform, that is aprox 6-8 inches higher than the floor.
Then I know I am suppose to speak the following words; "Holy Spirit come"...
When I speak the words, God's presence comes very heavy, most fall down, some start to weep and convulse, others are crying for joy.
CURRENTLY 2009:
I am not sure about my situation, God sees us much more clearly than we see ourselves. When I observe my life, I don't think I live in a state of moment by moment surrender as I did years ago but Where to find the will and or desire)?
At the same time I know God, has made it clear to me that HE looks at the heart. At this time in my life I have been facing many doubts, wondering when God's words will come true...It seems as though I have been in a wilderness for so long....Please keep me in your prayers.
A long time ago (about 28yrs ago) was the last time I had the Lord speak to me audibly. I was in a Dentist office, and as is the case even now,as it was then 28 yrs ago. .the Lords presence became so heavy, I stated to cry, the dentist wanted to know if I was in pain? I said no...Then the Lord spoke, He said: "Rod, I'm going to take care of the whole thing, I'm going to put it all together for you, just trust me".
I have a strange conviction about surrender, it is in my heart that God desires "ME" to surrender all things; Thoughts, feeling, motivations, desires, time, activities to HIM, moment by moment. Since the flesh wants to live moment by moment, it makes sense that God would desire that kind of surrender from us. For HIM to live through us, moment by moment. And this was the way I lived yrs ago, as you read in my testimony)....God help me!!! I am daily, always thinking of the Lord, wondering whats going on, about surrender and where is HE, My wilderness is so silent and lonely.
I share some thoughts:
1).How do you describe this LIFE? As a Christian it's hard to do. As I recall moments in my own life, I think of times of stillness, in the midst of activity or in the quiet of night. The presence of His Spirit was there, sometimes speaking other times He was silent, yet the undeniable presence of His Spirit was so real. You couldn't describe it too anyone else, sometimes he was so near, almost physical, at other times He was, just felt, deep in your heart. I could at times think, and He would answer. Sometimes the answer was spoken, and at other times it was a still small voice in my heart. Sometimes I would see a person, and while looking at them, I knew about them. I recall the passion to tell others about him at any given moment, looking for such an occasion never caring where I was, or who was near by. Constantly His Love moved over me in waves and yet it abode, never departing. I would wake up in the middle of the night and He was there, like a mother hen. I remember the love for others that was not my own. I remember feeling, and being, separate from the world yet still in its midst. I recall not worrying about the kind of car I drove, or the condition of my clothes, knowing that He was fully aware of all these things. I recall being invited out for dinner with brothers, and thinking (silently between myself and God), "Lord I don't have any money, but I'm hungry" and then someone would say "hey I'll buy ok?"
2).Most of my life, at least as far back as I can remember I've had a desire and love for God/Jesus, even though I didn't know who He was.
As I've grown older, I've seen many things in "Christendom".
I've seen communes (come and go in failure). I've seen myself and other brothers walk in their own ways (you might call it backsliding). I've been hurt by supposed brothers in Christ. I've seen TV preachers act cocky, and ridiculous. I've seen people chase tithes and money. I've seen people in big churches (faithful tithers) go without help while in need. I've seen people chase their own kingdom and building programs. I've seen people pretend to prophecy, yet they were not HEARING from HIM, (and in failure, excuse themselves by saying they were practicing). I've seen names in lights (but not Jesus name). I've seen people destroyed by the shepherding movement. I've seen men of god after devoting their lives to "the ministry" destroyed after a single mistake, instead of forgiven.
On and on I could go... Jesus's desire is that HE lives through you. You would just be a vessel, like Mary, carrying Jesus inside her body, before He was born. You would carry Him too, but now by His Spirit living through you.
thanks this looks real interesting...
Possibly in these last days, God will reveal truth to us in the inner man...Truth that aligns itself with the original, which was SPIRIT... For is that not what true Christianity was in the beginning? BEFORE it was written? Life in the book of Acts was "a walk" a secret walk with Jesus". Quoting: rodm
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| MuzicSoulWorldly
User ID: 791230
10/10/2009 8:45 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
You cannot understand the prophecies of the end times without first understanding who the gentiles really are.
As I believe Wingedlion has said in another thread, the time of the gentiles is about to end. If you read Luke 21:24 - 32, this explains where we are at on God's timeline. Jesus said once you see all these things taking place, meaning being alive to see the end of the time of the gentiles, that very generation that sees all these things will be the generation that sees the Lord's return. There's differing interpretations on what constitutes a "generation" in the Bible, but it never defines a generation as a few years.
Who really are the gentiles? Not many people understand who they really are. Once you realize who they are, a whole lot of the Bible begins to make a heck of a lot more sense. Quoting: ThreshingSword
Do you think I don't know who the gentiles are?
Let me ask you a question>>> Who are the Kenites?
Hey, sorry for being bold, I am just trying to excite the conversation to the point where you might want to take the time to check out what I present....
You might see more than you know if you do.... lol
Hey, I am a good guy on your side, just not a play actor that thinks he is better than anyone else... (Not saying you are that way, just me expressing my inner thoughts)..
I can assure you I am very up to speed with the bible and the manuscripts and languages.. ( I can just hear it now again today how someone will tell me I am pompous donkey)..
I usually get that because I make people think for themselves instead of listening to mens traditions...
Have I offended you yet OP? I hope not.. Quoting: Little Star
^ Little Star, what in the world are you talking about? I was commenting on the original article of the OP concerning the end times, not anything you have said. I'm not quite sure what you believe to even comment upon it. I do enjoy reading you on this forum, though, and I found that born from above mini-sermon interesting. Quoting: ThreshingSword
Sorry, I do get people excited at times.
The born from above is quite true and I would challenge anyone to validate it for themselves...
I think I was talking to OP... At least I am hoping I am.. Quoting: Little Star
I don't think that you were talkin to me what you had said that, lol. You said you're sorry cuz you do get people excited some times, which makes it out to be like that other person got too overly excited and caused the thing, lol. It'z not them that got excited, it'z because you kinda lashed-out at him even thought he wasn't directing his message towardz you. It seems like alot of people apologize for something but then say that it was the other person getting too excited which caused it, lol. This doesn't even really matter to me, it was just intriguing to me so I wanted to point those thingz out. I still have got more messages from you and others to respond back to, so hang-on tight there Tiger.
Aaron |
| MuzicSoulWorldly
User ID: 791242
10/10/2009 9:06 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Little Star, who do you understand the Kenites to be?
OH, I can tell ya who they are in todays world and I can point to the scripture that defines who they were in yesterdays history..
1 Chronicles 2:55.. They all mixed with the fallen angels, and they are the seed of Satan....
(Boy did I open up on something that will get many upset..)
lol
When I mean seed of Satan, just that, they are the direct blood line of Satan. And they live today and rule the world today, ever meet one?
We have all our presie's running to one here in the US every time we need to have something special done... Quoting: Little Star
I've heard this belief before, regarding the angels mixing-in with human-beings to create this angel-human hybrod creature, but it just seems too weird. I don't think God would have allowed that, and plus, how can an angel, whom is composed of spirit, produce or impregnate a woman that is composed of physical matter ? I just don't see God allowing the angels to produce off-spring between spiritual-beings and physical-beings. When it talks about the sons of God and the daughters of men, maybe it doesn't mean how it soundz, I mean cuz sons of God can mean either angels or human-beingz, so it could mean the male sons of God mixing with the female daughters of men. I'm not totally for sure what those lines mean, but how come this angel-human hybrid is the only valid thing that it could possibly mean ? Is it not possible to mean something else ?
Aaron |
| MuzicSoulWorldly
User ID: 791246
10/10/2009 9:12 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
The speculations and confusions of the Lawless. These things are perfectly foretold in the Law/Torah that was never done away but of his Heart of his Book in the Living Words who is the one remission of sin and of that Life given of his Blood.
Daniel 12. Outline of the Scattering to the Restoration of Power of the Holy People. Of the Redeemed.
1000/1000/500 - 1335 at 2500 - 1290 at -45/+45. To fit the timeline the +45 at Ezra/Nehemiah, the -45 at the putting forth of leaves of the Fig Tree.
Scattering to the Re-gathering of the secnod Exodus.
Jeremiah 46 / 586 BC / First Bondage 430 / Second Bondage X 6/At the X 7 the Bondservant will go free.
The witnesses of Revelation 11 are Lawful but only in Spirit and Truth that cannot be seperated for it is in the Heart of the Messiah, of his BEING.
Start with the Ten Commandments for those following them where there is Spirit and Truth of that remission of sin of an unconditional Yes to the Messiah of whose heart they still are shown in the Ark of the Covenant but more awesome in the Living Covenant of that true Ark.
YHVH Yahushua are ONE.
No Idols.
Use his NAME Yahuweh not a Baal Title.
Keep his Shalom of Shabbat not adding or taking away from the Living Shabbat. Yahushua is not a worship service but speaking of the Being as ONE with that Shabbat to do his commandments.
Love YHVH that way and then love others as loving oneself in Loving YHVH.
Honor mother and father.
No Murder.
No Adultery.
No Stealing.
No Bearing False Witness.
No Coveting.
No Lies.
Possible where there is remission of sin where the Walking is set in Yes One on One to the Messiah if one can walk in that truth as the one to do so must be born again of that Spirit and Truth where it is impossible to fail. A heart condition to strive against sin where there is forgiveness in confession and repentance before the Throne of Heaven.
If you get a chance, do a real good study on the words "Born Again".
When you really do get down to doing that, you will find that no where in the manuscripts does it say "Born Again" as referred by your words. Yes, I know what you are sharing and it is wonderful and all, so don't mis-understand what I am sharing and saying.
Born again is not born again in the scriptures which you are referring to about Born Again. In the manuscripts is says "Born from Above".
Oh my, I wonder what that means?
If you interested ask and I will tell you how to find out for yourself.
Again, I understand what you shared, I am just presenting what is in the manuscripts, nothing more or less.
So is there a differene in being Grafted into the Tree of Life where the experience is of being Born Again, Born from Above, Baptized in the Life of the Holy Spirit of the baptizer Yahushua, having eternal life by the Power of the Life that was given of the Blood of the Lamb but that Holy Spirit is the One of Being with that Great King? Word definitions mean nothing. The Meaning of the Words for the Heart, He Means Everything. His Heart is in the Meanings of Spirit of the Words. Spirit Knowing vs. proper definitions for the Knowledge of the Mind. But that Mind be Renewed by the Mind of the Messiah. Presume someone must meet the definitions of man for being of Spirit and Truth or is it of the Heart of Knowing the Messiah by His Words of Life, as in saying Faith coming from Hearing the Living Word speaking to the heart.
I understand clearly, so don't be upset with me about what I presented, and again I just told you what is in the manuscripts.
Now you state that word definitions mean nothing, right?
That is funny we have definitions for all words of every language and today "definitions mean nothing" according to you. I am not making any strife with ya, just pointing out some things for ya... mmmm k..
Now, what does the words Born from Above mean in the manuscripts where it is used in the bible as written "born again"?
Born from above means that a human is born through a womans womb and did not side step Gods plan like the Napah, fallen angels that side stepped Gods plan of everyone being born of woman and having their spiritual body put into the flesh body.
Big difference, huh? Big difference from the words Born again... huh?
Again, I am not trying to blast you with the simple words of Born again verse's Born from Above. I am just sharing what is written in the manuscripts and what it means. mmm k?
Next you will be asking me if I am born again.. lol
Sure am! More than you can know, spiritually!
Not understanding. No argument nor disagreement. But Spiritual words for the Heart to discern in Meaning above that of the knowledge of the mind. But that mind be renewed by the Mind of the Messiah.
Which is more important in the Kingdom of YHVH.
A definition to understand of mind.
A meaning to understand of heart?
Heart first the mind renewed.
The mind first, the heart confused where there is strife and argument over definitions where meanings take a back seat.
I love you too!!
Sorry for upsetting you...
No upsetting at all. The meanings for one on one with Messiah if one be given to understand. Messiah hasn't changed one 'jot' nor 'tittle' of the meanings of his heart to say of Spirit but we know to have that Shalom in him. Some to have preference in definition only of Words so similar that either way can lead to the knowing of the Heart of Messiah as in the definition given by the previous verse in John of flesh and spirit, but showing what 'born again' or 'born from above' means, but the Meaning of Experiencing that Thing did not change with either definition. See not upset but pointing out how the words can point to the experience of the Heart and how much more important is the meaning of Experience than just knowing about something.
Like I said before my friend, I am born of the spiritual "born again" as you want to say John said, which he did not say it the words, but did refer to being born in the body of Christ...(Which means the same as you are thinking)..
I am a Christ man, follower of YHVH or Jesus as we say in modern times, today...
I am awoken from the beginning of when we were all created in our spiritual body which was before we were born in the flesh..( I hope you can follow that and understand that)because it is truth..
We are spiritually all the same age... Did you know that?
Yes, I am spiritually awaken and "born again" and I love the Lord for saving me from the world and the deception and from the mistakes that I make...
Does that help you understand that I am agreeing with you, but I am showing you what is really written in the manuscripts, again, noting more, nothing less.. Peace, and love to ya in the Lord... Quoting: Little Star
The Bible does not ever say that mankind was original created as spirit-beingz and then each of us were born into the flesh, all the while our spirit-bodyz are just sitting there being asleep until we are saved by Jesus Christ, I mean that is just not what the Bible says. I would like for you to provide some of those Scriptures for me that would support this, I'm really sorta-kinda wondering about this.
Aaron |
| Country Girl nli
User ID: 791240
10/10/2009 9:13 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Little Star, who do you understand the Kenites to be?
OH, I can tell ya who they are in todays world and I can point to the scripture that defines who they were in yesterdays history..
1 Chronicles 2:55.. They all mixed with the fallen angels, and they are the seed of Satan....
(Boy did I open up on something that will get many upset..)
lol
When I mean seed of Satan, just that, they are the direct blood line of Satan. And they live today and rule the world today, ever meet one?
We have all our presie's running to one here in the US every time we need to have something special done...
I've heard this belief before, regarding the angels mixing-in with human-beings to create this angel-human hybrod creature, but it just seems too weird. I don't think God would have allowed that, and plus, how can an angel, whom is composed of spirit, produce or impregnate a woman that is composed of physical matter ? I just don't see God allowing the angels to produce off-spring between spiritual-beings and physical-beings. When it talks about the sons of God and the daughters of men, maybe it doesn't mean how it soundz, I mean cuz sons of God can mean either angels or human-beingz, so it could mean the male sons of God mixing with the female daughters of men. I'm not totally for sure what those lines mean, but how come this angel-human hybrid is the only valid thing that it could possibly mean ? Is it not possible to mean something else ?
Aaron Quoting: MuzicSoulWorldly
Do you know the parable of the wheat and the tares?
The tares spoken of there are Satan's seed mixed in with the wheat.
Believe it - Satan's offspring are here.
But do not confuse them with the offspring of the fallen angels.
All of those were destroyed. |
| MuzicSoulWorldly
User ID: 791267
10/10/2009 10:05 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Timing...from another perspective.
I hope you don't mind OP.
THE SEAL JUDGMENTS (tribulation)
(Described in Revelation 6:1-17 and 8:1-6, Matthew 24
and the book of Daniel and elsewhere.
1st Seal Covenant with many
A peace deal declared in Israel.
It will be a false peace.
(Rev 6:1-2) (Mat 24)
2nd Seal - War
(Rev 6:3-4) (Mat 24)
3rs Seal - Famine
(Rev 6:5-6) (Mat 24)
4th Seal - Death
(Rev 6:7-8) (Mat 24)
During the Seal Judgments, The Lord Jesus reveals
that the following event will take place; a sign.
Mathhew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of
desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the
holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
again...
2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day ((The Day of The Lord, 6th Seal)) shall not
come, except there come a falling away first, and that man
of sin be revealed, the son of perdition," "Who opposeth
and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that
is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of
God, shewing himself that he is God."
Satan, the son of perdition, the man of sin will show
himself right here on earth, and Satan will sit in the
temple where Jesus Christ will build His temple, and
deceive the entire world into thinking that this filthy
liar Satan is Jesus Christ, is God. The entire world will
believe that Satan is God and worship him above all other
things and gods of the nations of the world. It is going to
happen, and Paul warns you not to be deceived by any means.
Not by your pastor and his fly away theories, not by your
government, or even your parents.
The whole world will worship the Beast
When Satan comes as the beast he will have so much power
and authority that the whole world will marvel.
“And all the world marveled and followed the beast.”
Revelation 13:3
"Almost" everyone in the world will worship the beast.
5th Seal - Believers martyred (Rev 6:9-11)
A few people will choose to worship the Lamb instead of the
beast. Jesus is called the Lamb and Satan is called the
beast. The people who choose to worship the Lamb will have
their names written in the Lamb’s book of life. Everyone
else will worship the beast.
“All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names
have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain
from the foundation of the world.” Revelation 13:8
6th Seal - That Day, The sign; earthquake, sun darkened
Believers are raptured. (Rev 6:12-17) (Mat 24:29-31)
Sealing of God's servants (Israel)(Rev 7:3)
The time of the gentile ends.
God turns to Israel.
7th Seal - The trumpet judgments begin (Rev 8:1-6)
God turns to Israel.
THE TRUMPET JUDGMENTS
(Described in Revelation 8:7- 9:21 and Rev 10:7)
THE BOWL JUDGMENTS (God’s wrath)
(Described in Revelation Chapter 16) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311438
No no no, I don't mind at all, because what I want is for us to share our thoughtz and opinionz with each one other, no matter they might happen to be.
You say that the believers are raptured in the 6th Seal and you put Matthew 24:29-31, but in those very verses, it says AFTER the tribulation of those days, and the sign of the Son Of Man appears in the heavens, that the angels will gather-up His elect. So can the elect really be raptured way back in the 6th Seal if Matthew 24:29-31 makes it very clear that the elect will be gathered-up after the tribulation in those days? This does seem to say that even the elect have to endure the tribulation, because you see, it doesn't matter whether or not some of the elect die during the tribulation-period, because then they will just be resurrected back to life after the tribulation-period anyhow, although the elect will still be receiving favour to survive during the tribulation-period, but nothing is guaranteed, but you can gain favour if you follow God as you are supposed to be following God. The other parts such as when 2 are in the field and one taken and the other one left, this isn't talking about some cosmic rapture, but rather it is talking about how very quickly one can be taken when it'z least expected, because just before that it says that it will be just like in the days of Noah, when they were all merry and having fun right up until the moment of the flooding.
Aaron |
| MuzicSoulWorldly
User ID: 791269
10/10/2009 10:10 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Timing...from another perspective.
I hope you don't mind OP.
THE SEAL JUDGMENTS (tribulation)
(Described in Revelation 6:1-17 and 8:1-6, Matthew 24
and the book of Daniel and elsewhere.
1st Seal Covenant with many
A peace deal declared in Israel.
It will be a false peace.
(Rev 6:1-2) (Mat 24)
2nd Seal - War
(Rev 6:3-4) (Mat 24)
3rs Seal - Famine
(Rev 6:5-6) (Mat 24)
4th Seal - Death
(Rev 6:7-8) (Mat 24)
During the Seal Judgments, The Lord Jesus reveals
that the following event will take place; a sign.
Mathhew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of
desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the
holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
again...
2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day ((The Day of The Lord, 6th Seal)) shall not
come, except there come a falling away first, and that man
of sin be revealed, the son of perdition," "Who opposeth
and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that
is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of
God, shewing himself that he is God."
Satan, the son of perdition, the man of sin will show
himself right here on earth, and Satan will sit in the
temple where Jesus Christ will build His temple, and
deceive the entire world into thinking that this filthy
liar Satan is Jesus Christ, is God. The entire world will
believe that Satan is God and worship him above all other
things and gods of the nations of the world. It is going to
happen, and Paul warns you not to be deceived by any means.
Not by your pastor and his fly away theories, not by your
government, or even your parents.
The whole world will worship the Beast
When Satan comes as the beast he will have so much power
and authority that the whole world will marvel.
“And all the world marveled and followed the beast.”
Revelation 13:3
"Almost" everyone in the world will worship the beast.
5th Seal - Believers martyred (Rev 6:9-11)
A few people will choose to worship the Lamb instead of the
beast. Jesus is called the Lamb and Satan is called the
beast. The people who choose to worship the Lamb will have
their names written in the Lamb’s book of life. Everyone
else will worship the beast.
“All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names
have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain
from the foundation of the world.” Revelation 13:8
6th Seal - That Day, The sign; earthquake, sun darkened
Believers are raptured. (Rev 6:12-17) (Mat 24:29-31)
Sealing of God's servants (Israel)(Rev 7:3)
The time of the gentile ends.
God turns to Israel.
7th Seal - The trumpet judgments begin (Rev 8:1-6)
God turns to Israel.
THE TRUMPET JUDGMENTS
(Described in Revelation 8:7- 9:21 and Rev 10:7)
THE BOWL JUDGMENTS (God’s wrath)
(Described in Revelation Chapter 16)
You were doing fine until you mentioned about the 6th trump and the 6th seal, and the 6th vile. I know you didn't say all of them, just pointing out something for ya...
Since Satan comes at the 666, we need to be careful on how we write our words to define the gathering back to Christ.
2 Thess. says that the man of sin must be revealed first before Christ.... Again 666 is his time frame.
And Christ told us that also. Plus Paul tells us when Christ comes if you handle on the trumps you will know when Christ comes.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52... Christ said that He had shorten Satan's time on earth, again Rev. 9:5 and 9:10 tells us the time that was shortened.
Satan comes first, then we gather back to Christ at the Last Trump which is number 7 as Paul tells ya in
1 Corinthians 15:51 and 52....
The way you presented that info it does not come out correctly in my mind (part about gathering back to Christ)... Sorry.. Quoting: Little Star
I'm not understanding what you mean by the time-frame of 666 though. Do you mean that Satan would be coming at the 6th Seal, and the 6th Trumpet, and the 6th Vial/Bowl ? I'm not really sure how that would be possible, because Satan would have to be coming during 3 different times. What is your time-frame for 666 ?
Aaron |
| MuzicSoulWorldly
User ID: 791269
10/10/2009 10:10 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Timing...from another perspective.
I hope you don't mind OP.
THE SEAL JUDGMENTS (tribulation)
(Described in Revelation 6:1-17 and 8:1-6, Matthew 24
and the book of Daniel and elsewhere.
1st Seal Covenant with many
A peace deal declared in Israel.
It will be a false peace.
(Rev 6:1-2) (Mat 24)
2nd Seal - War
(Rev 6:3-4) (Mat 24)
3rs Seal - Famine
(Rev 6:5-6) (Mat 24)
4th Seal - Death
(Rev 6:7-8) (Mat 24)
During the Seal Judgments, The Lord Jesus reveals
that the following event will take place; a sign.
Mathhew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of
desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the
holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
again...
2 Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day ((The Day of The Lord, 6th Seal)) shall not
come, except there come a falling away first, and that man
of sin be revealed, the son of perdition," "Who opposeth
and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that
is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of
God, shewing himself that he is God."
Satan, the son of perdition, the man of sin will show
himself right here on earth, and Satan will sit in the
temple where Jesus Christ will build His temple, and
deceive the entire world into thinking that this filthy
liar Satan is Jesus Christ, is God. The entire world will
believe that Satan is God and worship him above all other
things and gods of the nations of the world. It is going to
happen, and Paul warns you not to be deceived by any means.
Not by your pastor and his fly away theories, not by your
government, or even your parents.
The whole world will worship the Beast
When Satan comes as the beast he will have so much power
and authority that the whole world will marvel.
“And all the world marveled and followed the beast.”
Revelation 13:3
"Almost" everyone in the world will worship the beast.
5th Seal - Believers martyred (Rev 6:9-11)
A few people will choose to worship the Lamb instead of the
beast. Jesus is called the Lamb and Satan is called the
beast. The people who choose to worship the Lamb will have
their names written in the Lamb’s book of life. Everyone
else will worship the beast.
“All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names
have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain
from the foundation of the world.” Revelation 13:8
6th Seal - That Day, The sign; earthquake, sun darkened
Believers are raptured. (Rev 6:12-17) (Mat 24:29-31)
Sealing of God's servants (Israel)(Rev 7:3)
The time of the gentile ends.
God turns to Israel.
7th Seal - The trumpet judgments begin (Rev 8:1-6)
God turns to Israel.
THE TRUMPET JUDGMENTS
(Described in Revelation 8:7- 9:21 and Rev 10:7)
THE BOWL JUDGMENTS (God’s wrath)
(Described in Revelation Chapter 16)
You were doing fine until you mentioned about the 6th trump and the 6th seal, and the 6th vile. I know you didn't say all of them, just pointing out something for ya...
Since Satan comes at the 666, we need to be careful on how we write our words to define the gathering back to Christ.
2 Thess. says that the man of sin must be revealed first before Christ.... Again 666 is his time frame.
And Christ told us that also. Plus Paul tells us when Christ comes if you handle on the trumps you will know when Christ comes.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52... Christ said that He had shorten Satan's time on earth, again Rev. 9:5 and 9:10 tells us the time that was shortened.
Satan comes first, then we gather back to Christ at the Last Trump which is number 7 as Paul tells ya in
1 Corinthians 15:51 and 52....
The way you presented that info it does not come out correctly in my mind (part about gathering back to Christ)... Sorry.. Quoting: Little Star
I'm not understanding what you mean by the time-frame of 666 though. Do you mean that Satan would be coming at the 6th Seal, and the 6th Trumpet, and the 6th Vial/Bowl ? I'm not really sure how that would be possible, because Satan would have to be coming during 3 different times. What is your time-frame for 666 ?
Aaron |
| MuzicSoulWorldly
User ID: 791273
10/10/2009 10:15 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Nephilim are mixed not foretold as the fullness of the seed of Abraham. The fullness of the scattering of the seed of Abraham who would lose their identity in the scattering because of the curse. To renew their identity in the Lamb given for remission of sin but that one as King to bring those redeemed into the Second Exodus. Many are redeemed even of the nations and those who were the rebellious of Yisrael whose seed has mixed with the whole world. Messiah was given for the whole world but as Messiah only knows his lost sheep and will call out to each one of them. That Living Word will call to his own and when he is done the end will come of their Bondage but then the Regathering and the Restoration of all things. As lawful and perfectly given in the Heart of Messiah by those written words of Torah/"Law" that he is being. Any other than the interpretation of Messiah of that Law/Torah of his Being is Iniquity and Lawlessness.
A/C, but why did Jesus call that Canaanite gentile woman a "dog" who would eat the crumbs that fall from the master's table? Jesus was referring to the "Nephilim" who will bow down and lick the dust at our feet (100% humans). And read my signature line down below about bruising their head. But yet, when we rule over them eventually, instead of them ruling over us now, shall we not show them mercy and compassion if they are truly repentant, just as God has shown us? God requires mercy, not sacrifice. Quoting: ThreshingSword
ThreshingSword, I wasn't sure if you were meaning that the Nephilim were 100% humans, or if you were meaning likcing the dust at our feet and the our being the 100% humans.
Aaron |
| MuzicSoulWorldly
User ID: 791274
10/10/2009 10:21 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Oh yes, I do know them, and I understand exactly what you're saying. Their rule is almost up, and then the Bible says that they will bow down and lick the dust at our feet.
Bravo! Who are you? You have your act together and I like that... IN other words, you have done you homework.... Again, Bravo!
Oh gosh, I still have a lot to learn. lol... Wingedlion taught me a lot of this. I mean ultimately, it was the Holy Spirit, but He used Wingedlion to answer a lot of questions I had.
I'll have to look more at what you're talking about the 6th and 8th day man. I'm not sure I agree with that, but I'll pray about it.
I gave you the tools to go do research on it the 6th day and th 8th day creation, by saying Adam ( 6th day man) and Eth HaAdam (8th day creation)... The key is those two words. (Adam and Eth HaAdam) I can promise you when you meet a real scholar they will be able to lead you to that info... In other words, I would hope that it excites you to try and learn to read the "manuscripts" for yourself...
I started to read them myself because of all the traditions of men and one church said this, and the next would say that, and then I would talk to some so called prophet and he would say one thing and then another one would say another thing...
So, yea, I scratch out each word myself... But I do have a mentor which read and writes 28 different languages which has helped me greatly... lol
Blessing.
Little Star, are you saying that the Bible doesn't speak of his works on the 8th Day because the only the manuscripts speak of it ? The original texts and the translated texts are only different in the respect that the meanings of the words could be somewhat different, but however, if there was something about the 8th Day, certainly there are not too many ways or manners in which to state about an 8th Day, and don't you think man would have spoken about it ? Plus, God was repeating Himself regarding the creating of man and then breathing the life into his nostrils, but it wasn't a totally separate creation, that just wouldn't make any sense for Him to have done that. He was saying how God had made the Earth before any plants of herbs existed, but then he drew-up a mist to water the plants and made man from the dust of the Earth and breathed life into his nostrils. I mean, with that logic, then that means that he created the plant-life twice also, lol. God didn't double-create his creations, he was just going back and summarizing that part of it to how that he did indeed create the Earth before any life was created onto it.
Aaron |
| MuzicSoulWorldly
User ID: 791277
10/10/2009 10:25 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
 Cut to the chase ...
…
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If you're not willing to do some reading in order to understand what somebody is saying, then you aren't willing to learn about it. I mean, I'm guessing that would mean that reading the Bible would be out since that book is very incredibly long. There is so much religious confusion in this World today, so why not just read some of it and get something out of it ?
Aaron |
| MuzicSoulWorldly
User ID: 791282
10/10/2009 10:29 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Little Star, I'm sorry if I missed it in this thread, but do you agree with the OP's interpretation that the 7th seal was opened on November 2008 and that in 962 days from now, Jesus Christ will return?
NO, I do not... And it does not matter.
Why?
Because I know that when Satan comes with his little monsters that we will only have 5 months left at that time.
No, the 7th seal has not been opened!
Too many prophets and not enough study for themselves. Quoting: Little Star
Once again, are you saying that the tribulation-period will only be lasting for 5 months ?
Aaron |
| MuzicSoulWorldly
User ID: 791283
10/10/2009 10:33 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
I want to share with you something that Christ said.
Mark 13:11" But when they shall lead you and deliver you up, take no thought before hand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but what so ever shall be given you in that hour (hour of temptation when Satan is here), that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit."
God has chosen 7000 to stand against the 7000 bad angels and Satan.
Romans 11:4 tells of those 7000 and the second witness verse to that is found in 1 Kings 19:18.
That is what Christ is talking about in Mark 13:11...
While the whole world will be worshiping Satan, those 7000 will not.
The spiritual slumber is in full effect and most people do not even see it..
I am ready.. I will put it simply, I am ready for that monster and his little locust army.. Quoting: Little Star
I see in those Scriptures whereby it speaks of the 7,000 that have not bowed-down to Baal, but where does it speak of the 7,000 fallen-angels at ?
Aaron |
| MuzicSoulWorldly
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10/10/2009 10:41 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Because I know that when Satan comes with his little monsters that we will only have 5 months left at that time.
Do you believe that these 'monsters' will come in the form of aliens? Presenting themselves as beings from another world that are really demonic? If I weren't already a believer, that would scare me enough to get on my knees & give my entire self to God.
They will not be presenting themselves as being from another world - rather satan (anti-christ, instead of Jesus) will be proclaiming to be the Messiah (Jesus)returned.
Satan's followers and also himself will look like us - not scary-looking monsters. But make no mistake, they are here to deceive and devour. (not literally devour)
They are coming to deceive not scare us.
That is correct C. Girl. As I said, I must be a little more careful of my wording. Words can and do make a difference. lol
Yep, these angels will be good lookers too. And they will be playing the part of being Jesus.
Howdee, Little Star
From reading this thread - looks like you have been busy. LOL
I remember when I first realized we are the 'angels' incarnate. It was when I read this in Revelation-
Rev 22:9 .......... for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. Quoting: CountryGirl
The angel tells John not to kneel before him because "for I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." This is saying that I am your servant of the prophets, and the servant of those whom keep the words of this book, but he isn't saying that he IS John in spirit-form. You might think that it says this since it says I am your servant and of the prophets, so as to be seeming to be saying that he is his servant and he is of his brethren the prophets. We have got to be very incredibly careful when it comes to those thingz, and we should be looking at the original languages of the Bible, and not just the Bibles from the English language.
Aaron |
| ThreshingSword
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10/10/2009 11:17 PM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Little Star, are you still reading this thread? If so, I'd like to ask your views on the NWO. I notice that you believe the NWO will soon take over the whole world and all will be under its control and that it won't be abolished until Jesus' 2nd coming. If this is indeed your belief, how do you reconcile the whole chapter of Daniel 11 and 12 which talk about the king of the south will "push at him" and the ships of Chittim will oppose him, and tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him, right up until the end of the age?
Your question has much for me to say to fill in the blanks for why I believe the way I do.
First off who are or what is the ships of Chittim?
Daniel 11:30 Speaks of the "Ships of Chittim."
What are they?
Well they are not some real ships as you might think.
Here is what they are...And they will go against Satan if you read Dan. 11 correctly from 11:21 onward.
The Bruisers are found in Mark 13:11 and what they will do and say.. The Bruisers are the "SHIPS OF CHITTIM"> again it is a play on symbolics here in Daniel 11.
Mark 13:11, they are the 7000 spoken of in Romans 11:4 and my second witness to this is found in 1 Kings 19:18.
See God has 7000 of elect that are sealed when Satan arrives with his 7000 bad angels that will come with him.
And they will do what Christ said in Mark 13:11.
God knows they will not bend a knee to Baal, symbolically a play on Satan and his actions and what he does mentioned in Daniel 11 and 12.
So yes, Gods elect will be here and another way of proving it is in Rev. chapter 9 when God commands Satan that he can sting all he wants(deceive) but cannot touch those that are sealed.
See Rev. (9:4) God tells Satan there not to touch those that are sealed. Why does God have to command Satan not to touch them if they are raptured out? They are not raptured at that point in time at the 6th trump, 6th seal, and 6th vile.
There is so much figures of speech and Hebraism in that chapter 9 and if you don't have a handle on it, you will stumble at that chapter.
Example, in verse 8 the words "hair of a women" is a figure of speech Hebraism that means" The bad boy angels Napha, fallen angels will come being very gentle, soft, shiny, and so sweet to deceive if possible the very elect.
Here, try this test for yourself.
Go to Ecclesiastes chapter 12: if is nothing but figures of speech and metaphors. 99% of the pastors that I speak to do not understand that chapter. And there has been many times when I explained it to them, they have wept in front of me knowing the Holy Spirit has guided me. Then what is SOOOO cool, is they teach their congregation what I shared. And the Lord gets the praise for that...
If you can't understand the simple metaphors of Eccl. chapter 12, you will never understand prophecy at the fullness.
I hope I don't offend anyone, again, I am sure I will hear someone tell me I am prideful and uppity, but is is not folks, it is me trying my best over the net to get everyone to take a deep study into the area's that I have shared to open eyes and to rejoice in knowing the the Lord is in control.
Blessings. Quoting: Little Star
Little Star, thanks for writing a response. I know you've got a lot to respond to on this thread, so I'll make it quick, a few points of disagreement on my end.
First, you say that the locusts are fallen angels and that they "will come being very gentle, soft, shiny ,and so sweet to deceive, if possible, the very elect." If they're coming being, as you say, gentle, soft, and sweet, then how in the world can men who aren't sealed be tormented and tortured by them, so much so that Revelation 9 verse 6 tells us that men will desire to die because of their torment? I'm sorry, what you're saying just doesn't make sense when compared to that whole chapter. I mean, they're coming to torment, right, not be soft and sweet? You say a "sting" means to deceive. How can being deceived be such torment that men will want to die rather than live? If they're being deceived, then ignorance is bliss, right?
Secondly, Daniel 11 also talks about the king of the south and his army will fight against the "vile person" (who I believe is the antichrist). How do you metaphorize that one away? So we've got ships of Chittim coming against the vile person, and we've got the king of the South coming against him too. But you say the ships of Chittim are those who are sealed by God, the 7,000. So if there's only 7,000 in the world who will fight the vile person and the rest are all deceived, as you said, then who in the world is the king of the south and his army of people? See what I mean? Your logic just isn't making any sense to me at all.
Genesis 3:15: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." The Nephilim control the world now, but not for long!
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| ThreshingSword
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10/11/2009 12:04 AM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
ThreshingSword, I wasn't sure if you were meaning that the Nephilim were 100% humans, or if you were meaning likcing the dust at our feet and the our being the 100% humans.
Aaron Quoting: MuzicSoulWorldly
Hey there, Muzic! I meant Nephilim are the angel/human hybrids, and we are the 100% humans.
Last Edited by ThreshingSword on 10/11/2009 at 12:07 AM
Genesis 3:15: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." The Nephilim control the world now, but not for long!
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| ThreshingSword
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10/11/2009 12:13 AM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
verse 3.
"Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come except there be a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed the son of perdition.
verse 4...Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God showing himself that he is God.
Major, Major, Major... you're quoting the one verse up above that disputes your pet pretrib rapture doctrine! I highlighted in bold the part that says this. I know what a shocker it is to see that there's no pretrib rapture, but I assure you, there is none.
But shouldn't we all desire nothing but the truth, no matter what doctrinal differences we have to lay aside? Believe me, I've had to lay aside many. Who cares if you have to humble yourself and retract your previously held prophecy beliefs if what you get in exchange for that is the truth? In fact, I disagree with Little Star that there will be a NWO right up until the Lord's coming, but I'm willing to listen to him prove to me through scripture that this isn't so (and the Holy Spirit).
NOPE. I do not have a "pet Rapture doctrine. I just quote from the Bible what it says.
What you highlited disproves nothing what so ever my friend.
The word "apostasy" means "a standing away from". In this sense it is a "falling away". Leaving the truth, witdrawing or defection from the truth. It may be the result of many things. False teachers (Matt, 24:11), temptation (Luke 8:13); worldliness (2 Tim. 4:4), inadequate knowledge of Christ (1 John 2:19), moral collapse ( Heb. 6:4-6).
While there are those in every generation who fall away, this will be a general condition prior to the revelation of the A/C.
And as for Scripture, I am still waiting for you to list yours my friend on why there is NOT a Rapture. Quoting: Major 647112
Major, I do believe that the bride of Christ will be gathered unto Him in the "clouds" one day. We only have a dispute as to the timing of that event.
Genesis 3:15: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." The Nephilim control the world now, but not for long!
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| MuzicSoulWorldly
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10/11/2009 2:15 AM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
Little Star, I'm sorry if I missed it in this thread, but do you agree with the OP's interpretation that the 7th seal was opened on November 2008 and that in 962 days from now, Jesus Christ will return?
Well, I guess I am the one to pop the ballon here.
Lets talk first of what does the Bible say. I have just read a lot of stuff, especially from the OP, and it was well written. The problem is that none of it is true.
Sorry to hurt your feelings my friend. I do not enjoy doing that but if we are going to manke Bible referrences, and believe them to be the basis of truth to substainte our OPINIONS, we must then use ALL of them.
Having said that let me quote something for you from the Word of God in Matthew 24:36.................
"But of THAT DAY, and hour, KNOWETH NO MAN, NO NOT EVEN THE ANGELS OF HEAVEN, BUT MY FATHER ONLY."
Now, if Jesus does not know, and the angels do not know, what in Gods name makes you think you know when Jesus is coming???? Before you can speak on the bowls, vials, trumpets and judgments, you must first answer that question. Quoting: Major 647112
Hey there Major, I want to thank you for responding to my posting, and I appreciate what you're saying, as I knew that I would receive some criticism, but you are keeping it fairly clean so I'm so totally fine with this. I will address the thingz that you were asking me about.
I did actually explain the "No man knows the day nor the hour" thing in my original threading, so I don't know if you happened to miss that part or not, maybe you didn't ready everything since it was a very long posting. In a nut-shell, Jesus Christ was telling His disciples to look at the temple, and then Jesus said that there will be coming a time when none of those stones will be left standing one upon another, because they will all be cast down. The disciples then asked Jesus when would those things be and what would be the sign of His coming and of the end of the age. Jesus later said that no man knows the day nor the hour, not the angels in Heaven, and not even the Son Of Man. This wording is so very important, because it contains all of the meaning of this. By the way, I was kinda shocked that you took the Lord's name in vain as you were saying this, I mean is that ever acceptable to God under any circumstance, lol ? I'm not trying to be harsh with you, just wondering about that is all.
But anyhow, Jesus Christ was telling His disciples that nobody knows the day or the hour. He was not speaking in the future-tense at all. He was telling them that nobody knows at this time, but he never says that nobody WILL ever know, nor that nobody CAN ever know. If nobody could ever know, then that means the Jesus Christ himself would never know, and he would not ever know when to open-up the Seals of Revelation because he would not be aware of the proper timing of such thingz. We put such limitation upon God & Jesus Christ from what seems to say that nobody knew then at that time so why would anybody ever know in the future, which is really just supposition.
The Bible says that God surely does nothing before first revealing his works to his servants the prophets, so wouldn't it seem proper that God would reveal this to Jesus Christ, whom would then reveal it to His prophet (whomever that might be), whom would then reveal it to His Church ? Because otherwise, that would contradict the no man knows the dasy or the hour thing, but it doesn't contradict because Jesus was nothing saying that nobody in the future will ever ever know these things. That is how God has worked ever since God's Church was created in 31 A.D. There would be no need for God's Church if nothing was ever revealed to them. This is the reason why the title of John's book is called Revelation, because it is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, things that are to be revealed over the spans of time. God has been slowly revealing more and more of His plan to His Church, which most of the World is not listening to because they just don't believe that God is working in any other Churches but in their very own. There are prophecies in the Bible that speak of this, whereby most of the World will be rejecting God's Church, just like they always have. So wouldn't it be kinda fitting that the Church that God is indeed working through would be a Church that is considered to be controversial by much of the World ? God says that the World is not following the true ways of God, as the World is following their own heart of their carnal human nature. The revelation of God's purpose and plan for mankind is a huge part of Bible prophecy, because without it, there would be no knowledge whatsoever by the prophets of anything, even though God Himself says that surely he does nothing unless he first reveals it to His prophets. I mean, if Jesus Christ is the ONLY one that is worthy enough to be opening-up the Seals of Revelation, then God would have to reveal this knowledge to His Son before His Son would be able to commence any of this, right ? I mean, God's plan for this Tribulation-period is really not going so well if God Himself is not even allowed to tell His very own Son whom has to be opening-up the Seals, so it would have to be revealed to Him first, and the Bible never ever says that Jesus Christ will not ever know the timing of those thingz, neither does it say that nobody else will know of this either.
God has been revealing things to his Church ever since it was created, although most all of His truths were lost in certain Church-eras (Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyratira, Sardis, etc.), but the Philadelphia Church-Era was about restoring God's truths back His Church, which was very much prophecized to occur, as was the "falling away" from the truth and the lukewarmess that was the spirit of the 7th and final Laodicea Church-Era. Do you remember those 7 Spirits that John saw in Heaven during his vision ? Those represented the 7 Churches, and they were spirits because they were spirits which affected the Churches and what eventually became of them. This was all done as a witness to mankind that God's Word is indeed true, so God had those 7 spirits (which also affected those 7 Churches that John was writing to way back then in) be in their respective Church-Eras. What John writes about in each of his letters to those Churchs, describes what those individual Churches were like during his time, but also describes what the various eras of the God's Church would be experiencing throughout the course of time, although John didn't realize this dual-meaning when he was writing them because God hadn't revealed this yet, but he did reveal this during the latter Church eras, and perhaps it was known but then that truth was lost at some point before being restored at a later point in time.
Aaron |
| MuzicSoulWorldly
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10/11/2009 2:16 AM | | Re: Bible-Prophesy, Timing, 7th Seal, 1st Trumpet, 1,260 Days, 1290 Days, 1,335 Days | Quote |
First of all you said nothing about the Rapture.
1 Thess. 5:9
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath (Tribulation Peroid) but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ".
1 Thess.4:16
"For the Lord himself shall desend from heaven with a shout with the voice of the archangel and with the trump of God and the dead in Christ shall rise first, then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (Latin for RAPTURO)together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord".
Do you just tear this page out of the Bible and throw it away??? It is right there for you to read.
For you to believe that the judgments of Revelation have begun, you have got to ignore the Doctine of the Rapture.
WHY you may ask????? Quoting: Major 647112
For 1st Thessalonians 5:9, it is not speaking of God not appointing us to the wrath of the Tribulation. God's Wrath in Revelation seems to really come down on that last day, the very same day in which Jesus Christ returns on back to this Earth. This verse is basically affirming that God has chosen His elect to comprise the 144,000 first-fruits in God's Kingdom. If he had said that they were appointed to the wrath, then that would mean that they would be in that wrath of the Lord on that last day when God's Wrath is poured-out in 7 those vials/bowls, but by this time, the resurrection is already occuring, because God's chosen elect are resurrected on that very last day of the 7th Trumpet, but they won't be part of God's Wrath, because that is reserved for the people that are still not repenting and are still remaining defiant to God by rejecting Him and His people.
For 1st Thesselonians 4:16, this should make so much sense because it'z all right there. It says the Lord descends down from Heaven with the voice of the arch-angel and with the trump of God (7th Trumpet that this angel blows and sounds), and the dead in Christ shall rise first and then those which are alive and remaining shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord. Does this sound like it'z describing a pre-tribulation rapturing-event ? They are raptured through being resurrected into spirit-beings, and this occurs on that last day of the Tribulation-period, but not before this. Also, so many people say that God's Kingdom will be in Heaven and will not be on this Earth, because they say that it says that we will be there forever with the Lord. This verse would have to read, "caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and there we shall ever be with the Lord. But doesn't say that there we shall ever be, but it says and thus we shall always be with the Lord. So this is meaning that the living in Christ will meet the dead in Christ to meet Jesus Christ up in the air in the clouds, and that then they shall forever be with the Lord.
Just so you know, I didn't purposely not speak about the rapture, I just didn't speak about every detail of everything that I knew about. I did remember later-on that I wanted to speak about the rapture too, but there really is just so much to talk about regarding God's Word that I was bound to leave so much stuff out because I can't relay everything to everybody in just one single threading-posting.
Aaron |
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