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Obama Bux for Taliban Fighters to Switch Sides...The Rent an Afghan Option

 
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Obama Bux for Taliban Fighters to Switch Sides...The Rent an Afghan Option
The Sunday Times
October 11, 2009
Barack Obama ready to pay Afghan fighters to ditch the Taliban
General Stanley McChrystal
[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]
(Manan Vatsyayana)


The Obama administration is considering outbidding the Taliban to persuade Afghan villagers to lay down arms as it struggles to find a new approach to a war that is fast losing public and congressional support.

Despite five war councils in two weeks, President Barack Obama has so far failed to come up with a strategy for the conflict that may define his presidency. Fierce infighting continues between his own generals and advisers.

Obama has been handed three options by General Stanley McChrystal, commander of the US forces in Afghanistan. These range from 20,000 to 60,000 more troops, which would almost double the US military presence. McChrystal is said to favour an increase of 40,000 men, without which he warns the mission will fail.

The White House is uneasy about sending so many on top of an extra 21,000 already dispatched this year, fearing this could escalate the war which has already claimed the lives of 241 American soldiers this year.

Obama’s delay in coming to a decision has led generals to warn that the Taliban will see it as lack of resolve and take advantage. The Taliban stepped up attacks last week with a bomb in Kabul, which killed 17 people, and an onslaught against a US military post in which eight Americans died.

Anthony Zinni is one of a number of retired generals who have taken to the airwaves insisting more troops should be sent. “The risk if you take too much time is you look like you’re dithering and both our allies and enemies will wonder if we’re really committed,” he warned.

The president is reportedly frustrated that the debate has become polarised between those who want to send more troops and their critics, who say it would lead to another Vietnam. They advocate more reliance on drones and special forces.

Leslie Gelb, president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations, argues that the president has only himself to blame. “It was Obama who insisted in March and again last month that this was a ‘war of necessity’ and must be fully resourced rather than looking at what we really have at stake in Afghanistan.”

One official said the key emphasis in the White House meetings had been to identify options that would prepare the way for American troops to leave. Apart from training more Afghan troops, the focus has shifted to accepting a political role for the Taliban, while also trying to weaken them by winning some over.

Afghans are known for changing sides back and forth during their long years of war — there is an old saying that “you can rent an Afghan but never buy one” — and battles have often been decided by defections rather than combat.

Paying Taliban foot-soldiers to switch sides could spare US lives and save money, say its advocates. A recent report by the Senate foreign relations committee estimated the Taliban fighting strength at 15,000, of whom only 5% are committed idealogues while 70% fight for money — the so-called $10-a-day Taliban. Doubling this to win them over would cost just $300,000 a day, compared with the $165m a day the United States is spending fighting the war.

The tactic was used to good effect in Iraq where the US government put 100,000 Sunni gunmen on its payroll for about $300 a month each.

Some experts disagree. Gilles Dorronsoro from the Carnegie Institute insisted: “You cannot break an insurgency that strong with money. It’s not a mercenary force — it’s a very powerful movement.”

More troops, say McChrysal’s allies, could tip the balance of power away from the insurgents and give the population the confidence needed to switch sides. More at posted link...

DaJ2cents The U.S. Gov't is subsidizing everything else these days, this is no surprise.

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We have resorted to fucking BRIBES???

WTF!!??

Can't they do that without our brothers and sisters being there?


Perhaps a phone call would suffice!?

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We have resorted to fucking BRIBES???

WTF!!??

Can't they do that without our brothers and sisters being there?


Perhaps a phone call would suffice!?

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i want my rent paid.
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Re: Obama Bux for Taliban Fighters to Switch Sides...The Rent an Afghan Option
"You Can Rent an Afghan But Never Buy One"
by wok3 [link to watchingthewatchers.org]
Saturday, October 10, 2009 at 08:12 PM EDT

That is an old saying about the people from Afghanistan, who have sort of made a habit of switching sides during long conflicts within their country. And with this in mind, and remembering the most successful part of the surge in Iraq, it seems President Obama might just be willing to rent some Afghans who are currently sided with the Taliban. All we have to do is pay more than the Taliban, and presto, we have a much quieter but only slightly less dangerous conflict.

In Iraq, literally thousands of insurgents went on the payroll of the U.S., and all they had to do was not attack our soldiers. For the most part it worked, though as those payments dry up, our forces better be out of that country as they still seem to be blowing things up now and again. But will a similar plan work in Afghanistan, where it seems tribal loyalty instead of sectarian loyalty is the norm? Who the hell knows. One thing is for sure, the Afghans know how to fight long wars against overwhelming odds, by always using guerilla tactics, and only using massive assaults when their target is relatively small and easily overrun. The former Soviet Union threw a massive amount of personnel and hardware into the region, but it seemed to matter very little. The mujahadeen back then were actually our friends, as we were giving them arms to fight the Soviets with. Just another instance of switching their opinion of who their friends are it would seem.

While counting only on bribes is a suicidal prospect, as religion plays a large part of why the insurgents go around killing people, bribes + force + improvements to Afghanistan might fare better than merely pouring 40 thousand more U.S. troops into the region that is so famous for soundly defeating empires, both far in the past and present day. Not that a more modest increase in force could hurt our efforts though, say 25 thousand more soldiers or so.

Is the war in Afghanistan winnable? That all depends on what you classify “winning” to mean. We could never eradicate the insurgents entirely, but perhaps if we rent them for a bit and for Christ’s sake fix Karzai’s corrupt government, including the super-corrupt police forces in that country that would put the New Orleans police department to shame (in levels of corruption), who knows, there may be a way out of this mess yet.

I meant in Afghanistan, I assume police in the U.S. will remain as corrupt as usual.
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