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Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society?
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smilesun
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10/14/2009 9:22 AM
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Sociologist Phil Zuckerman spent a year in Denmark and Sweden, the least religious countries in the world and perhaps even in history, and interviewed people about their religious beliefs (technically, the absence of such beliefs).
Read more [link to virtualblog.splinder.com] |
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ingolf
User ID: 775190
10/14/2009 9:24 AM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
My 103 yr. old Norwegian grandpa pulled close and whispered in my ear...NEVER TRUST A SWEDE! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 793747
10/14/2009 9:25 AM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
why not? was before and will again. |
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Preacher Bob
User ID: 787479
10/14/2009 9:29 AM
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Sociologist Phil Zuckerman spent a year in Denmark and Sweden, the least religious countries in the world and perhaps even in history, and interviewed people about their religious beliefs (technically, the absence of such beliefs).
Read more [ link to virtualblog.splinder.com]
Do not confuse Least Religious with NO Religious.
Christians are to be the Salt of the Earth.
God did not Destroy Sodom while Lot was there.
Just how many of his people does there have to be before a blessing is bestowed?
John 4
He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV) |
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smilesun
User ID: 792850
10/14/2009 9:46 AM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
My 103 yr. old Norwegian grandpa pulled close and whispered in my ear...NEVER TRUST A SWEDE! Quoting: ingolf 775190
lol |
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WTSHTFGOOD
User ID: 793783
10/14/2009 9:46 AM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
In a word; No.
And a society that observes G-d's tenets (the only G-d) then goodness can abound.
Many false Gods, who are in truth gods, seek to elevate their thrones above G-d's own.
A society without G-d is doomed. They may emulate righteousness night and day, but without G-d they would be doomed to calamity that will not be comprehended and would slip into gnashing teeth and condemning the Heavens for sending wrath upon them. Bitterness would ensue and the downward spiral would consume. Falling, falling, falling.
Don't agree? Go yell at the wailing wall. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 633036
10/14/2009 9:47 AM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
Nope. |
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smilesun
User ID: 792850
10/14/2009 9:52 AM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
Sociologist Phil Zuckerman spent a year in Denmark and Sweden, the least religious countries in the world and perhaps even in history, and interviewed people about their religious beliefs (technically, the absence of such beliefs).
Read more [ link to virtualblog.splinder.com]
Do not confuse Least Religious with NO Religious.
Christians are to be the Salt of the Earth.
God did not Destroy Sodom while Lot was there.
Just how many of his people does there have to be before a blessing is bestowed?
Is true, the question is can be happy without believing in God? |
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smilesun
User ID: 792850
10/14/2009 10:02 AM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
why not? was before and will again. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 793747
Thanks for the comment. |
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smilesun
User ID: 793904
10/14/2009 12:10 PM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
In a word; No.
And a society that observes G-d's tenets (the only G-d) then goodness can abound.
Many false Gods, who are in truth gods, seek to elevate their thrones above G-d's own.
A society without G-d is doomed. They may emulate righteousness night and day, but without G-d they would be doomed to calamity that will not be comprehended and would slip into gnashing teeth and condemning the Heavens for sending wrath upon them. Bitterness would ensue and the downward spiral would consume. Falling, falling, falling.
Don't agree? Go yell at the wailing wall. Quoting: WTSHTFGOOD 793783
Respect all points of view, thanks for the comment. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776591
10/14/2009 12:16 PM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
Before you loaded question can be answered you have to define "good"
This is different for each christer and can be from moderate to extreme. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 434204
10/14/2009 12:16 PM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
In a word; No.
And a society that observes G-d's tenets (the only G-d) then goodness can abound.
Many false Gods, who are in truth gods, seek to elevate their thrones above G-d's own.
A society without G-d is doomed. They may emulate righteousness night and day, but without G-d they would be doomed to calamity that will not be comprehended and would slip into gnashing teeth and condemning the Heavens for sending wrath upon them. Bitterness would ensue and the downward spiral would consume. Falling, falling, falling.
Don't agree? Go yell at the wailing wall. Quoting: WTSHTFGOOD 793783
You people need to grow up.
Morality does not equal religion. They can be independent of one another. To assume that one is needed for the other is fallacy. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776591
10/14/2009 12:36 PM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
In a word; No.
And a society that observes G-d's tenets (the only G-d) then goodness can abound.
Many false Gods, who are in truth gods, seek to elevate their thrones above G-d's own.
A society without G-d is doomed. They may emulate righteousness night and day, but without G-d they would be doomed to calamity that will not be comprehended and would slip into gnashing teeth and condemning the Heavens for sending wrath upon them. Bitterness would ensue and the downward spiral would consume. Falling, falling, falling.
Don't agree? Go yell at the wailing wall.
You people need to grow up.
Morality does not equal religion. They can be independent of one another. To assume that one is needed for the other is fallacy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 434204
I just shows the mentality of these christers, like one cannot natually be a good person without threat of eternal damnnation. |
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Preacher Bob
User ID: 787479
10/16/2009 6:24 AM
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Sociologist Phil Zuckerman spent a year in Denmark and Sweden, the least religious countries in the world and perhaps even in history, and interviewed people about their religious beliefs (technically, the absence of such beliefs).
Read more [ link to virtualblog.splinder.com]
Do not confuse Least Religious with NO Religious.
Christians are to be the Salt of the Earth.
God did not Destroy Sodom while Lot was there.
Just how many of his people does there have to be before a blessing is bestowed?
Is true, the question is can be happy without believing in God?
When looking at whether or not people can be happy with out believing in God.
One only has to look at themselves.
As yourself this question.
Are you happy?
I am not talking about what you want people to think.
I mean deep down are YOU happy?
Are you satisfied?
Are you content with what you have in life?
Do you think that maybe if you just had this one more thing you would be happy.
But as soon as you get that you are just as empty.
So are you happy? Really happy?
John 4
He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 795340
10/16/2009 6:25 AM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
Do not confuse Least Religious with NO Religious.
Christians are to be the Salt of the Earth.
God did not Destroy Sodom while Lot was there.
Just how many of his people does there have to be before a blessing is bestowed?
Is true, the question is can be happy without believing in God?
When looking at whether or not people can be happy with out believing in God.
One only has to look at themselves.
As yourself this question.
Are you happy?
I am not talking about what you want people to think.
I mean deep down are YOU happy?
Are you satisfied?
Are you content with what you have in life?
Do you think that maybe if you just had this one more thing you would be happy.
But as soon as you get that you are just as empty.
So are you happy? Really happy? Quoting: Preacher Bob
you are really happy about religious brainwashing, welcome to the new age when more and more people see past the religious lies. Keep your shit too your self! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 795219
10/16/2009 6:26 AM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
They are not godless, but rather they are demonic. Once you exorcize the demons, the people will be free. |
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Preacher Bob
User ID: 787479
10/16/2009 6:30 AM
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you are really happy about religious brainwashing, welcome to the new age when more and more people see past the religious lies. Keep your shit too your self! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 795340
See someone is not happy that some could be happy.
That is the typical bully, if they can't have it NO ONE CAN.
Why would you prevent someone from being happy?
John 4
He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV) |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 795340
10/16/2009 6:32 AM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
you are really happy about religious brainwashing, welcome to the new age when more and more people see past the religious lies. Keep your shit too your self!
See someone is not happy that some could be happy.
That is the typical bully, if they can't have it NO ONE CAN.
Why would you prevent someone from being happy? Quoting: Preacher Bob
think you're getting it wrong, im happy but forcing people into your indoctrination wont make happy people. Religion has only brought dividend and misery to human kind, pleas do some history reading and see what im talking about. religion is far from happiness and freedom you can get. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 795287
10/16/2009 6:36 AM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
Yes, and it's there is proof.
Countries with a large and ever-growing non-religious population have shown to have less crime, are more inclined to attend college, and live relatively happy, loving lives. |
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Preacher Bob
User ID: 787479
10/16/2009 6:51 AM
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think you're getting it wrong, im happy but forcing people into your indoctrination wont make happy people. Religion has only brought dividend and misery to human kind, pleas do some history reading and see what im talking about. religion is far from happiness and freedom you can get. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 795340
I am sorry that you mistake my enthusiasm as "forcing".
I want to apologize to everyone that feels that way.
My intent is to make you think about what you believe and why.
I would never Force anyone, because when you do you end up with people who don't really have the Spirit and you end up with people like Ted Haggard who condemns the very thing he is guilty of.
Condemning someone is not the answer, but bringing to their attention that they on their own have no control over the sin is not the same as condemning.
Religion, when you have people who Force their ideas on people will always get the wrong result.
If this is how you see me, perhaps you should take another look, and this time see what is there, and not what you think is there.
John 4
He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV) |
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smilesun
User ID: 792850
10/16/2009 7:19 AM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
Sociologist Phil Zuckerman spent a year in Denmark and Sweden, the least religious countries in the world and perhaps even in history, and interviewed people about their religious beliefs (technically, the absence of such beliefs).
Read more [ link to virtualblog.splinder.com]
Do not confuse Least Religious with NO Religious.
Christians are to be the Salt of the Earth.
God did not Destroy Sodom while Lot was there.
Just how many of his people does there have to be before a blessing is bestowed?
Is true, the question is can be happy without believing in God?
When looking at whether or not people can be happy with out believing in God.
One only has to look at themselves.
As yourself this question.
Are you happy?
I am not talking about what you want people to think.
I mean deep down are YOU happy?
Are you satisfied?
Are you content with what you have in life?
Do you think that maybe if you just had this one more thing you would be happy.
But as soon as you get that you are just as empty.
So are you happy? Really happy?
I am happy and you? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 795219
10/16/2009 7:22 AM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
READ THE GOOD SAMAITAN. samaritans were though to be Godless by the Jews, but Jesus sad that this view was wrong. |
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Preacher Bob
User ID: 787479
10/16/2009 7:31 AM
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Sociologist Phil Zuckerman spent a year in Denmark and Sweden, the least religious countries in the world and perhaps even in history, and interviewed people about their religious beliefs (technically, the absence of such beliefs).
Read more [ link to virtualblog.splinder.com]
Do not confuse Least Religious with NO Religious.
Christians are to be the Salt of the Earth.
God did not Destroy Sodom while Lot was there.
Just how many of his people does there have to be before a blessing is bestowed?
Is true, the question is can be happy without believing in God?
When looking at whether or not people can be happy with out believing in God.
One only has to look at themselves.
As yourself this question.
Are you happy?
I am not talking about what you want people to think.
I mean deep down are YOU happy?
Are you satisfied?
Are you content with what you have in life?
Do you think that maybe if you just had this one more thing you would be happy.
But as soon as you get that you are just as empty.
So are you happy? Really happy?
I am happy and you?
I truly am, everyday I am amazed at my blessings. The areas that I am sad in are knowing that some of the people that I know and love will not be with me after they die, but I do not give up hope, I also know that it is their choice, I do not Force, but remind them as they get older and they reflect on there life, who is still coming to visit and why.
For the most part only those looking for money come by, but yet there I am, helping out and not asking for anything, in fact quite the opposite, reminding them that they do have money now, and they should spend it so they would have less to do themselves, but when they have spent a life time hoarding, and being so miserable that no one wants anything to do with them, this is a time that I can show them that life is about more than material things.
They may call any time for any reason, I have been there to just fix the tv when the remote quit working. I have offered to help with preparing meals, or cleaning house, and never asked for money.
And they have of course never given any.
That was never the point, the point is it takes effort to give your time.
Giving money is something easy.
John 4
He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV) |
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User ID: 210102
10/16/2009 7:31 AM
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none is good but the Father |
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smilesun
User ID: 796453
10/17/2009 5:08 PM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
Sociologist Phil Zuckerman spent a year in Denmark and Sweden, the least religious countries in the world and perhaps even in history, and interviewed people about their religious beliefs (technically, the absence of such beliefs).
Read more [ link to virtualblog.splinder.com]
Do not confuse Least Religious with NO Religious.
Christians are to be the Salt of the Earth.
God did not Destroy Sodom while Lot was there.
Just how many of his people does there have to be before a blessing is bestowed?
Is true, the question is can be happy without believing in God?
I agree, many people think that doing charity with pennies dollar raises the consciousness, too easy.
When looking at whether or not people can be happy with out believing in God.
One only has to look at themselves.
As yourself this question.
Are you happy?
I am not talking about what you want people to think.
I mean deep down are YOU happy?
Are you satisfied?
Are you content with what you have in life?
Do you think that maybe if you just had this one more thing you would be happy.
But as soon as you get that you are just as empty.
So are you happy? Really happy?
I am happy and you?
I truly am, everyday I am amazed at my blessings. The areas that I am sad in are knowing that some of the people that I know and love will not be with me after they die, but I do not give up hope, I also know that it is their choice, I do not Force, but remind them as they get older and they reflect on there life, who is still coming to visit and why.
For the most part only those looking for money come by, but yet there I am, helping out and not asking for anything, in fact quite the opposite, reminding them that they do have money now, and they should spend it so they would have less to do themselves, but when they have spent a life time hoarding, and being so miserable that no one wants anything to do with them, this is a time that I can show them that life is about more than material things.
They may call any time for any reason, I have been there to just fix the tv when the remote quit working. I have offered to help with preparing meals, or cleaning house, and never asked for money.
And they have of course never given any.
That was never the point, the point is it takes effort to give your time.
Giving money is something easy. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 796451
10/17/2009 5:13 PM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
In a word; No.
And a society that observes G-d's tenets (the only G-d) then goodness can abound.
Many false Gods, who are in truth gods, seek to elevate their thrones above G-d's own.
A society without G-d is doomed. They may emulate righteousness night and day, but without G-d they would be doomed to calamity that will not be comprehended and would slip into gnashing teeth and condemning the Heavens for sending wrath upon them. Bitterness would ensue and the downward spiral would consume. Falling, falling, falling.
Don't agree? Go yell at the wailing wall.
You people need to grow up.
Morality does not equal religion. They can be independent of one another. To assume that one is needed for the other is fallacy.
I just shows the mentality of these christers, like one cannot natually be a good person without threat of eternal damnnation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 776591
These "Christians" must live their lives in constant, pants-shitting fear, that someone, somewhere is having a good time, and being nice to others! |
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cloud4strife
User ID: 757498
10/17/2009 6:25 PM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
To answer I'd like to ask a question back. Does a Godly society a guarantee a good society?
I think an honest answer to that question would be no.
The believers will make all kinds of excuses as to why an example of Godly societies behave in unseemly ways. That is all they are, excuses.
If godliness is no guarantee of goodness I think it would be fair to say that godlessness is no guarantee of harmfulness.
God's commands on good and evil did no more to prevent evil than his command to be fruitful did to make people procreate.
Most people procreate because it is the survival of the species/family. Most people dont harm other people because it is for the good of the species/family/self.
Even if there were no law against murder, how many of you would really murder someone? I wouldnt, even though Ima bad old atheist.
Even if there were no law against burglary, how many of you would break and enter? I wouldnt, even though Ima godless, piece of shit atheist.
That about sums it up.
Last Edited by cloud4strife on 10/17/2009 at 6:30 PM
Apology in advance for killin your thread. |
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Scuba Steve
User ID: 763460
10/17/2009 6:28 PM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
A Godless society is not a happy society. At least not with humans.
However, God must be found within, not externally. God is a force that is within all of us, not some omnipotent entity that expects things out of you.
Yes, I am saying you are God and God is you
Cough* fuck christianity. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 763552
10/17/2009 6:30 PM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
yes, a person can be a moral person without organized religion, plus many things that people consider "immoral" really aren't, it's just programming and mental conditioning at work.
Casual sex, although I don't engage in it with multiple people every week, isn't inherently immoral... I'd say it's more a matter of selfishness vs selflessness. |
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Wraithwynd
User ID: 717743
10/17/2009 7:08 PM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
Sociologist Phil Zuckerman spent a year in Denmark and Sweden, the least religious countries in the world and perhaps even in history, and interviewed people about their religious beliefs (technically, the absence of such beliefs).
Read more [ link to virtualblog.splinder.com]
Do not confuse Least Religious with NO Religious.
Christians are to be the Salt of the Earth.
God did not Destroy Sodom while Lot was there.
Just how many of his people does there have to be before a blessing is bestowed?
Lot was a Jew. |
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Wraithwynd
User ID: 717743
10/17/2009 7:14 PM | | Re: Can a Godless Society be a “Good” Society? | Quote |
Depends on who's God you are looking to.
Unfortunately humans have missed the point big time when it comes to what and who this God Person is.
Sadly multiple religions continue to argue that they are the 'one true path' to this God Person, and have applied a heavy dose of human doctrine to the Divine, thus corrupting all of the messages without understanding that each religion has its merits and is aimed at the culture from whence it came.
Humans are a diverse lot, we do not speak the same language, do not follow the same cultural traditions, don't even build our houses and dress alike. Then why is it do people thing that only one Religion can apply to all and hold meaning?
I can not abide folk who shove their religion on others. It is a crime that should not go unpunished.
Yet it transpires from the small conversations that two people have to the battle fields. So terrible is this crime that most of the wars fought here on Earth have been over religious ideologies.
Thus it is that a 'God-less' society is, for us humans with all of our issues, perhaps the best step.
A society is a collection of people, thus individuals should by all means 'worship' the God they choose. They should not bring that God or that Religion to the society nor build a society that is composed of diverse people upon it.
This lesson is one humans can not seem to learn. Sadly it will most likely be the one thing that truly destroys our species. |
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