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the balloon boy and 12 Monkeys/Ukraine Connection? (updated)

 
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I would say that would qualify as an obvious, perhaps diversionary solution. The vaccines are about more than money.

I am not giving answers, simply asking everyone to ask more questions.



This is definitely about more than money Juliett484. I just feel this in my bones. This is BIG.


HUGE even.

It might be insightful for those following the dots on this thread to know that a cure for the flu, not a vaccine, was in phase I testing in '04. The company working on this drug was, Xenova Research, who was bought by Celtic Pharma, who promptly buried the miracle drug OX40 IG, and it has not been heard of since.
[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]

The drug had to be suppressed because;
The vaccine is a critical part of the cocktail of death.



I didn't read that as a cure. I only read it as a mask to flu symptoms.
 Quoting: Full Circle


I was tired and typed that quickly and it should have read cures the cytokine storm caused by this flu...

this is a very important dot... it makes an important connection to what is happening in the Ukraine.
I will try to spell out the importance of this drug being suppressed.


OX40 would not "mask" anything. It would have prevented cykotine storms from happening and stopped them if they started... but it is not available. Testing never went forward, it was bought up and buried by Celtic Pharma.


H1N1 is an engineered virus.
The cytokine storm is the threat.
The drug that could have cured the threat,OX40, was suppressed.
What do they have to offer instead to stop the storms???

Cykotine storm is what caused the majority of the deaths in 1918 flu.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Enter this H1N1 vaccine.
It is obvious from the hype and fear mongering, it is essential to the overall pandemic death plan.

There is a report that the H1N1 vaccine contains a bacteria.
The one found present was Yersinia pestis.(plague)
It was tested to be live.
(I've only seen this on a video from Aug.'09)

[link to www.youtube.com]

This is a link to an article discussing what is happening in the Ukraine and the role of the cytokine storm in the deaths.
[link to www.recombinomics.com]

Does the movie the 12 monkeys foreshadow the time line for the release of a more virulent H1N1 or weaponized Y pestis??

What role does the ingredients of the vaccine injected in your body play in this unfolding scenario?
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11/09/2009 03:16 PM
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Does the movie the 12 monkeys foreshadow the time line for the release of a more virulent H1N1 or weaponized Y pestis??

What role does the ingredients of the vaccine injected in your body play in this unfolding scenario?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 591484



The only thing 12 monkeys shows regarding time is that it is pretty much all over and the plague had done it's work by Christmas.

There's no reference to vaccine panic in it at all.
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11/09/2009 03:20 PM
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Address on Army of 12 Monkey "headquarters" which has a huge swine over the front door. This is what everyone sees. This is what everyone focuses on.

Locked out, Madeline Stowe writes (in aerosol orange paint of all things paint(hmmm how was agent orange dispersed?)

“Is there a virus? Is this the source? 5,000,000,000 die”

So she is asking people on the street....IS THIS THE SOURCE?

We all learn that it is not of course. And we learn too late.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 787567


There is definately something in that movie ....
you guys might want to watch this series:

[link to www.youtube.com]
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I would say that would qualify as an obvious, perhaps diversionary solution. The vaccines are about more than money.

I am not giving answers, simply asking everyone to ask more questions.



This is definitely about more than money Juliett484. I just feel this in my bones. This is BIG.


HUGE even.

It might be insightful for those following the dots on this thread to know that a cure for the flu, not a vaccine, was in phase I testing in '04. The company working on this drug was, Xenova Research, who was bought by Celtic Pharma, who promptly buried the miracle drug OX40 IG, and it has not been heard of since.
[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]

The drug had to be suppressed because;
The vaccine is a critical part of the cocktail of death.



I didn't read that as a cure. I only read it as a mask to flu symptoms.


I was tired and typed that quickly and it should have read cures the cytokine storm caused by this flu...

this is a very important dot... it makes an important connection to what is happening in the Ukraine.
I will try to spell out the importance of this drug being suppressed.


OX40 would not "mask" anything. It would have prevented cykotine storms from happening and stopped them if they started... but it is not available. Testing never went forward, it was bought up and buried by Celtic Pharma.


H1N1 is an engineered virus.
The cytokine storm is the threat.
The drug that could have cured the threat,OX40, was suppressed.
What do they have to offer instead to stop the storms???

Cykotine storm is what caused the majority of the deaths in 1918 flu.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Enter this H1N1 vaccine.
It is obvious from the hype and fear mongering, it is essential to the overall pandemic death plan.

There is a report that the H1N1 vaccine contains a bacteria.
The one found present was Yersinia pestis.(plague)
It was tested to be live.
(I've only seen this on a video from Aug.'09)

[link to www.youtube.com]

This is a link to an article discussing what is happening in the Ukraine and the role of the cytokine storm in the deaths.
[link to www.recombinomics.com]

Does the movie the 12 monkeys foreshadow the time line for the release of a more virulent H1N1 or weaponized Y pestis??

What role does the ingredients of the vaccine injected in your body play in this unfolding scenario?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 591484



There seems to be a connection between a cytokine storm and nicotie which can supress it. This i read in some text on whatdoesitmean.com but i cannot find it there anymore.

If this is true , i mean if nicotine stops a cytokine storm, then this explains to me why all of a sudden TPTB wanted to ban smoking while it was one of their biggest cash cows!
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If this is true , i mean if nicotine stops a cytokine storm, then this explains to me why all of a sudden TPTB wanted to ban smoking while it was one of their biggest cash cows!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 648659


I've thought about that too. They've been working on getting people to quit smoking for 10 years now. Or more. Lots of incentives and laws regarding it. I'll see if I can find anything to verify that.
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I am just rewatching "Children of men" ... theres a big pig balloon flying at 20 mins when the main actor is at his rich friend asking for transit papers. The pig looks much like the ones Pink Floyd had at some live shows.

Here you can watch "children of men":
[link to www.watch-movies-online.tv]
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Not sure why this was on front page but everything happens for a reason so

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Oops! Wrong post but like I said, everything happens for a reason......
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11/09/2009 04:22 PM
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Does the movie the 12 monkeys foreshadow the time line for the release of a more virulent H1N1 or weaponized Y pestis??

What role does the ingredients of the vaccine injected in your body play in this unfolding scenario?



The only thing 12 monkeys shows regarding time is that it is pretty much all over and the plague had done it's work by Christmas.

There's no reference to vaccine panic in it at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 809462


Just the one guy at the book signing that says he is going to get the vaccine. That is the only vaccine reference.


It would be absurd to think that this movie would be identical in every way to what is transpiring now.

I think you are missing the point... at best.
Juliett 484

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11/09/2009 04:37 PM
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I would say that would qualify as an obvious, perhaps diversionary solution. The vaccines are about more than money.

I am not giving answers, simply asking everyone to ask more questions.



This is definitely about more than money Juliett484. I just feel this in my bones. This is BIG.


HUGE even.

It might be insightful for those following the dots on this thread to know that a cure for the flu, not a vaccine, was in phase I testing in '04. The company working on this drug was, Xenova Research, who was bought by Celtic Pharma, who promptly buried the miracle drug OX40 IG, and it has not been heard of since.
[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]

The drug had to be suppressed because;
The vaccine is a critical part of the cocktail of death.



I didn't read that as a cure. I only read it as a mask to flu symptoms.


I was tired and typed that quickly and it should have read cures the cytokine storm caused by this flu...

this is a very important dot... it makes an important connection to what is happening in the Ukraine.
I will try to spell out the importance of this drug being suppressed.


OX40 would not "mask" anything. It would have prevented cykotine storms from happening and stopped them if they started... but it is not available. Testing never went forward, it was bought up and buried by Celtic Pharma.


H1N1 is an engineered virus.
The cytokine storm is the threat.
The drug that could have cured the threat,OX40, was suppressed.
What do they have to offer instead to stop the storms???

Cykotine storm is what caused the majority of the deaths in 1918 flu.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Enter this H1N1 vaccine.
It is obvious from the hype and fear mongering, it is essential to the overall pandemic death plan.

There is a report that the H1N1 vaccine contains a bacteria.
The one found present was Yersinia pestis.(plague)
It was tested to be live.
(I've only seen this on a video from Aug.'09)

[link to www.youtube.com]

This is a link to an article discussing what is happening in the Ukraine and the role of the cytokine storm in the deaths.
[link to www.recombinomics.com]

Does the movie the 12 monkeys foreshadow the time line for the release of a more virulent H1N1 or weaponized Y pestis??

What role does the ingredients of the vaccine injected in your body play in this unfolding scenario?



There seems to be a connection between a cytokine storm and nicotie which can supress it. This i read in some text on whatdoesitmean.com but i cannot find it there anymore.

If this is true , i mean if nicotine stops a cytokine storm, then this explains to me why all of a sudden TPTB wanted to ban smoking while it was one of their biggest cash cows!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 648659


Excellent point.

I have a unique perspective on this because I am closely related to a big tobacco employee.

The logic presented to the employees for the company SUPPORTING government oversight, higher taxes and all of the anti-smoking legislation is ABSURD!

The employee, of 20+ years can't even rationalize what he is told to believe on these points.

Add cigarettes to the pandemic survival list. :)

Smoke'em if you've got'em!
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11/09/2009 04:40 PM
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Found this regarding nicotine and cytokine storm.

[link to diseases-viruses.suite101.com]
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11/09/2009 09:29 PM
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video is down?? wtF?
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bump for dots connected!
12 monkeys - The Future is History
We did it! - Obama bumper sticker "we did it!"
joseph (Joe) moshe defies gas attack in car trying to warn
jose (Joe) defies gas attack in WW1 trench trying to warn
James Cole (Bruce Willis)
1918 WW1 coincides with last pandemic (spanish flu)
Ukraine- location of release warned of by joseph moshe.
Ukraine- location of pandemic declared
boy in well hoax - boy in air hoax (as above, so below)
"Bat Boy" in West Virginia - "Cat Girl" in China
swine head on Army of 12 Monkeys headquarters
swine virus implicated in 2009 pandemic declaration
FAA Freedom for Animals Association in movie - AAF American Air Filters (better air is our business) James Cole says "I love this air this wonderful air!"
Agent Orange sprayed in War - Orange aerosol sprayed in warning: "Is it a virus? Is this the source?"
James cole says "never cry wolf"

28 days later - movie about deadly pandemic- The Days are Numbered - 11-11-2009 = 11/11/11 or 11/09 (911)
There are 28 full days between the balloon boy hoax and this date which is tomorrow.

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I'll add 2 more bizzare elements

1)
JAMES COLE ANAGRAM = CAJOLES EM

Cajole means essentially to "coax" but the derivation of the word?.....
[French cajoler, possibly blend of Old French cageoler, to chatter like a jay (from geai, jai, jay; see jay2) and Old French gaioler, to lure into a cage (from gaiole, jaiole, cage; see jail).]

2) In the original script...in the 2nd call attempt to the phone number Dr Kathryn Railly left a message saying "The Army of the Twelve Monkeys they're the ones who are going to do it. I can't do anything more. The police are watching me."

HOWEVER.....cue dramatic music..... Gilliam added two words that were NOT in the script at the end of this message.."Merry Christmas!"
Remember then that the holidays are the busiest travel days of the year. The red haired assistant opens the vial in a crowded airport and looks around as if...uh...i've done it now.
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I would say that would qualify as an obvious, perhaps diversionary solution. The vaccines are about more than money.

I am not giving answers, simply asking everyone to ask more questions.



This is definitely about more than money Juliett484. I just feel this in my bones. This is BIG.


HUGE even.

It might be insightful for those following the dots on this thread to know that a cure for the flu, not a vaccine, was in phase I testing in '04. The company working on this drug was, Xenova Research, who was bought by Celtic Pharma, who promptly buried the miracle drug OX40 IG, and it has not been heard of since.
[link to www.timesonline.co.uk]

The drug had to be suppressed because;
The vaccine is a critical part of the cocktail of death.



I didn't read that as a cure. I only read it as a mask to flu symptoms.


I was tired and typed that quickly and it should have read cures the cytokine storm caused by this flu...

this is a very important dot... it makes an important connection to what is happening in the Ukraine.
I will try to spell out the importance of this drug being suppressed.


OX40 would not "mask" anything. It would have prevented cykotine storms from happening and stopped them if they started... but it is not available. Testing never went forward, it was bought up and buried by Celtic Pharma.


H1N1 is an engineered virus.
The cytokine storm is the threat.
The drug that could have cured the threat,OX40, was suppressed.
What do they have to offer instead to stop the storms???

Cykotine storm is what caused the majority of the deaths in 1918 flu.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Enter this H1N1 vaccine.
It is obvious from the hype and fear mongering, it is essential to the overall pandemic death plan.

There is a report that the H1N1 vaccine contains a bacteria.
The one found present was Yersinia pestis.(plague)
It was tested to be live.
(I've only seen this on a video from Aug.'09)

[link to www.youtube.com]

This is a link to an article discussing what is happening in the Ukraine and the role of the cytokine storm in the deaths.
[link to www.recombinomics.com]

Does the movie the 12 monkeys foreshadow the time line for the release of a more virulent H1N1 or weaponized Y pestis??

What role does the ingredients of the vaccine injected in your body play in this unfolding scenario?



There seems to be a connection between a cytokine storm and nicotie which can supress it. This i read in some text on whatdoesitmean.com but i cannot find it there anymore.

If this is true , i mean if nicotine stops a cytokine storm, then this explains to me why all of a sudden TPTB wanted to ban smoking while it was one of their biggest cash cows!


Excellent point.

I have a unique perspective on this because I am closely related to a big tobacco employee.

The logic presented to the employees for the company SUPPORTING government oversight, higher taxes and all of the anti-smoking legislation is ABSURD!

The employee, of 20+ years can't even rationalize what he is told to believe on these points.

Add cigarettes to the pandemic survival list. :)

Smoke'em if you've got'em!
 Quoting: Juliett 484


what if you had a nicotine patch instead of tobacco. It is only from tobacco or can it be from a patch?

Also, since the posting of the 12 monkeys, I had to go and get it. I saw it in 2005, but forgot most of it. I have to say the balloon boy and the boy hiding in the movie are too coincidental. The pig head on the building is too. The 12 is time obviously, so I thought intead of hours why not years. The time is 1996 in November, it even shows the date at one point in the movie which was November 19. Could this have already started in 2008, but no one noticed yet or was the time miscalculated?
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Also what about the furless bear in the zoo that they showed last week on the news.


They showed bears in the movie several times.

Here is a link:

[link to www.mnn.com]
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Here is another similarity. At the end of the movie the lady from the future that sent Cole into 1996 is at the very end talking to the man that released the disease or plague and says, "I am in insurance." Are we not having a major debate over health insurance right now?
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There seems to be a connection between a cytokine storm and nicotie which can supress it. This i read in some text on whatdoesitmean.com but i cannot find it there anymore.

If this is true , i mean if nicotine stops a cytokine storm, then this explains to me why all of a sudden TPTB wanted to ban smoking while it was one of their biggest cash cows!


Excellent point.

I have a unique perspective on this because I am closely related to a big tobacco employee.

The logic presented to the employees for the company SUPPORTING government oversight, higher taxes and all of the anti-smoking legislation is ABSURD!

The employee, of 20+ years can't even rationalize what he is told to believe on these points.

Add cigarettes to the pandemic survival list. :)

Smoke'em if you've got'em!


what if you had a nicotine patch instead of tobacco. It is only from tobacco or can it be from a patch?

Also, since the posting of the 12 monkeys, I had to go and get it. I saw it in 2005, but forgot most of it. I have to say the balloon boy and the boy hiding in the movie are too coincidental. The pig head on the building is too. The 12 is time obviously, so I thought intead of hours why not years. The time is 1996 in November, it even shows the date at one point in the movie which was November 19. Could this have already started in 2008, but no one noticed yet or was the time miscalculated?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 802800


about the patch idea. I am understanding it is the protective layer in the lungs caused by smoking as well as the nicotine that assists in suppressing a cykotine storm.
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Here is another similarity. At the end of the movie the lady from the future that sent Cole into 1996 is at the very end talking to the man that released the disease or plague and says, "I am in insurance." Are we not having a major debate over health insurance right now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 802800


You totally and completely miss the inference in her comment. What she is insinuating is that she is in the insurance that it can be contained.

Nothing to do with "insurance companies". You are taking a literal translation....and not the abstract implication.
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Here is another similarity. At the end of the movie the lady from the future that sent Cole into 1996 is at the very end talking to the man that released the disease or plague and says, "I am in insurance." Are we not having a major debate over health insurance right now?


You totally and completely miss the inference in her comment. What she is insinuating is that she is in the insurance that it can be contained.

Nothing to do with "insurance companies". You are taking a literal translation....and not the abstract implication.
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wouldn't that be "assurance" ?

maybe just heard her wrong ?
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Ok I see your point on the insurance. And yes it was insurance.

How about this also look at the dates on these two incidents, linked:

[link to monkeydaynews.blogspot.com]

[link to www.unfictional.com]
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video is down?? wtF?
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Wrong link. I fixed audio and uploaded video again.
Here you go
[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]
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HOWEVER.....cue dramatic music..... Gilliam added two words that were NOT in the script at the end of this message.."Merry Christmas!"
Remember then that the holidays are the busiest travel days of the year. The red haired assistant opens the vial in a crowded airport and looks around as if...uh...i've done it now.
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This is the icing on the cake for me damned
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video is down?? wtF?

Wrong link. I fixed audio and uploaded video again.
Here you go
[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]
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Great video - I haven't seen 12 Monkeys but I will make sure I do now. Thanks - I'd rather have too much info than not enough.
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They are calling the flu in the Ukraine, "Californian Flu".

Isn't California where the boy fell in the well in the film???
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Bump for another synchronicity...

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no doubt something to this....also interesting is the simpson code....and this logo from U2 tour..what do you see?
[link to 2.bp.blogspot.com]
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Excellent thread. Add Children of Men to the must-see list.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

In 2027, no human children have been born in any part of the world for eighteen years. The world has descended into chaos with most governments in the world collapsing, leaving the United Kingdom as one of the only remaining organised societies. Millions of refugees have entered the United Kingdom seeking asylum. As a result of the influx, Britain has become a militarised police state. The British Army occupies the streets and forcefully detains all illegal immigrants and suspected sympathisers....

Upon his return to London, Theo is kidnapped by the Fishes, who are led by his estranged wife Julian Taylor. Theo is surprised and happy to see her as they parted ways shortly after their young son died during a 2008 flu pandemic.

----------------------------------------------------

Did the vaccine cause the infertility?
Why was there a huge pig blimp floating over London in the movie?
Most of the children died of the flu pandemic. Their lungs were so tiny and filled with fluid is what the characters said...
In the movie, America was said to be in total chaos.
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The only thing 12 monkeys shows regarding time is that it is pretty much all over and the plague had done it's work by Christmas.
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Think I'll paste my post here too 'cause it points to Christmas time...

2012 movie trailer says the date to watch is: 12/21/2009.

Listen to the trailer and you will hear them repeat 3 times that the end of time will occur on the 21st of December of this year.

Listen at:
:30 seconds
:33 seconds
:35 seconds



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:38 "What are the odds..."
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