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Chinese leader's comments dash Iran sanction hopes

By TINI TRAN (AP) – 12 hours ago

BEIJING — Premier Wen Jiabao said Thursday that China intends to strengthen its cooperation with Iran, an indication Beijing would oppose growing calls in the West for additional sanctions against the Islamic regime for its nuclear program.

Earlier this month, Tehran revealed that it was operating a previously undisclosed uranium enrichment facility near the holy city of Qom, deepening suspicions in Europe and the U.S. that Tehran seeks atomic weapons.

But U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton was rebuffed in Moscow this week when she sought support for a united warning to Iran of the consequences of refusing to prove that its nuclear program is peaceful.

Washington had hoped that Moscow was warming to the idea of tougher sanctions after Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said they were sometimes inevitable. But ever since, the Russians have been backtracking from that remark, saying threats of such measures are unhelpful in negotiations with Iran. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said in Beijing on Wednesday that talking about sanctions was "premature."

Wen's remarks Thursday appeared to suggest that Beijing is also unlikely to accept any new U.N. sanctions resolution. China and Russia are both veto-wielding members of the U.N. Security Council and have long defended Tehran by watering down resolutions.

Wen made his remarks during a meeting with Iran's visiting First Vice President Mohammad Reza Rahimi, Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu said. Rahimi was in Beijing to attend a meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, a regional security grouping that includes China, Russia and four central Asian nations.

China will "maintain high-level exchanges with Iran, enhance mutual understanding and trust, promote bilateral pragmatic cooperation and coordinate closely in international affairs," Wen said, according to the official Xinhua News Agency.

Wen said China was committed to promoting the peaceful settlement of the Iranian nuclear issue and playing a constructive role in the process, Ma said. However, he gave no further details on what role China would play.

China's ties with Iran have "witnessed rapid development, as the two countries' leaders have had frequent exchanges, and cooperation in trade and energy has widened and deepened," Wen told Rahimi, who in turn said Iran values its relations with China and wants to increase cooperation on international issues.

Iran has denied its uranium enrichment is for weapons making and has agreed to have U.N. inspectors visit the newly disclosed facility.

But lawmakers in the U.S. House of Representatives, who question whether Iran can be trusted, approved legislation Wednesday that allows state and local governments to curtail investments in international corporations doing business in Iran's energy sector. The Obama administration has also said it is hoping to craft an international consensus on new multilateral sanctions if Iran acts in bad faith.

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Anonymous Coward
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10/15/2009 9:04 PM

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Russia and China: powerful allies for Iran. Would Israel dare attack Iran with Gog and Magog as Iranian benefactors? My head hurts.

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10/15/2009 9:07 PM

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At some point China and Russia will have to compete with each other for middle eastern oil. Considering becoming an "undocumented worker". eviltwin618@yahoo.com

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10/15/2009 9:13 PM

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At some point China and Russia will have to compete with each other for middle eastern oil. Quoting: Evil Twin Yeah, that's what I'm sayin. Israel takes out an Iranian nuclear enrichment plant, Russia and China dogpile onto the playground. Stage is set.

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10/16/2009 9:14 PM

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Russia "Nyet!" and China "Bu Shi!" to Tougher Iran Sanctions

Iran's anti-democratic and repressive regime is a member of a fraternal club of other like-minded anti-democratic and repressive regimes which include Russia and China. They do stick together. And friends they are indeed!

In one bad week for us good guys, both Russia and China brushed aside diplomatic entreaties from the Obama administration and in a one-two punch rejected calls for tougher economic sanctions to thwart Iran's nuclear weapons development program.

Despite noble efforts to downplay Russia's "nyet", Secretary of State Clinton left Moscow empty-handed after her meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov in her quest for a more united front against Iran's nuclear ambitions. And just to make sure Washington got the message Premier Putin (just coincidentally in Beijing for a meeting of the Shanghai Cooperation Council) made sure Mrs. Clinton was sent a reminder who really pushes the "reset" button. Putin took the ol' proverbial Russian boot off his foot and pounded it for good measure... "It's premature" to threaten sanctions against Tehran," Putin stated flatly.

And Chinese Premier Wen Jia Bao followed Putin with a "Bu Shi" ("nyet" in Mandarin) when he extolled China's growing energy and trade ties to Iran to a visiting Iranian Vice President. More "Middle Kingdom" diplomatic subtelty for sure, but the message was just the same -- don't expect China to turn the economic screws on Ahmadinejad's nuclear aspirations.

Frankly, I am puzzled by Russia's and China's calculations.

At a time when both Russia and China are trying to readjust their diplomatic bearings with Washington (Obama is about to make his first visit to Beijing), why not join the West for a while in toughening sanctions against Tehran to forestall a possible military attack on Iran's nuclear facilities? There is a chance (maybe not a great chance, but a chance nonetheless) that Iran's leaders are more likely to seek a diplomatic solution knowing that they face international approbation against their illicit nuclear program and that they must now deal with a united Security Council lined up against them even if universal economic sanctions have a Swiss cheese quality to them.

Given the stakes and sense of urgency, one may conclude the Russians and Chinese foolishly prefer a military showdown between the West and Iran than a diplomatic solution.

And to what purpose? Surely a nuclear-armed Iran will destabilize the entire Middle East.

Yes, tougher economic sanctions would inflict more misery on Iran's population. But that may put more pressure on a regime already deemed illegitimate by millions of Iranians.

It's not that tougher economic sanctions themselves will humble the mullahs. Iran has mastered the art of evading U.S. sanctions through sophisticated third country smuggling and the like. However, eventually stricter sanctions will take their toll on Iran's ruling elite -- making it more difficult for the Revolutionary Guards to maintain their income and raising the cost of doing business even on the black market of sanctions busters. And there is nothing that will anger Iran's population more than being further isolated internationally because of the destructive policies of its rulers.

And what are we really talking about here? A year or two of reducing trade with Iran until the full effects of universal sanctions have a possible intended effect? If China is so concerned about losing its access to Iran's crude oil supplies, surely something can be done to assuage Beijing that it will not run out of oil. And as for Russia, the Kremlin will have a helluva time trading with Iran for many months to come if Iran's transportation and military infrastructure are taken down in an attack. And Russia's two way trade with Iran is a pittance (less than $3 billion) when compared to China's two way trade with Iran ($21 billion).

In fact, the dirty little secret about Iran's trade ties is that while China is Iran's largest trading partner, in rank order, the next largest trading partners are Japan, Turkey, South Korea, Italy and Germany -- hmmmm -- all allies of the U.S. Russia is not even in the top 5! What is Washington, Paris and London going to do about these offenders of a potential diplomatic solution?

Although Iran has strained to show more flexibility when cornered by irrefutable evidence of cheating when its secret Qum nuclear facility was uncovered, there is no evidence that it has completely ceased its uranium enrichment program. And nothing that it offered in Geneva a few weeks ago suggests otherwise.

The United States, Great Britain and France have decreed a December deadline to Iran or it will face a new set of economic sanctions. But without Russia and China helping to close the economic noose around it, Iran probably will calculate that the price for defying the West is worth the cost -- unless a credible military option is on the table.

But even the possibility of a military confrontation may not dissuade Tehran given the regime's view that an attack on Iran may have the unintended effect of uniting the Iranian people behind their discredited rulers even if it means losing its nuclear facilities (albeit temporarily). I can just hear those demonstrators back on the streets of Tehran yelling "Death to the Great Satan!" instead of "Down with the Dictator!" A conundum indeed!

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cartaphilus
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10/16/2009 9:28 PM

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At some point China and Russia will have to compete with each other for middle eastern oil.

Quoting: Evil Twin

China, maybe, Russia has oil and gas to sell.

I think people ignored one thing about Iran, This country is more or less has democratic government organization and single religion. Hence She is as a matter of fact, in the status of early united state. That is why she is scary.

The hassles with Iran is more than oil.

Anonymous Coward
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10/16/2009 9:29 PM

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Perhaps my Chinese pandas will come in handy one day, no?

Anonymous Coward
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10/16/2009 9:39 PM

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the proxy hegemony of the US brushed aside by these two eurasian giants.

do you think these guys will forgive the color revolutions, and sponsored ethnic conflicts.

the chinese consider outside sponsored separatism to be the worst attack on their country.

do people think the russians and chinese are blind and stupid? anyone with half a functioning brain can see how the kurdish/sunni/shiite breakup of iraq was set in motion, and to what geo-political end.

the chinese have a habit of putting a bullet through crooked businessmen and politician's heads. something lobbyists should tread carefully around. the time is not quite ripe for aipac to bloom in china.

Anonymous Coward
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10/16/2009 9:55 PM

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China and Russia are playing a delicate game - the Mullahs are driven by an agenda that makes them easily predictable and manipulable - one they are compelled to follow, ie they are seeking to start Armageddon and get the infidel powers to anihilate each other, so the mahdi can appear. to lead them on the end-times global jihad.

Russia China, however are only interested in using the Iranians as unnatributable proxies to destroy or fatally weaken the US.

They need to convince Iran however that they are actually on-side with them, that once the shooting starts they will back them up and get involved.

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