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John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling
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Anonymous Coward
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10/16/2009 7:20 AM
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Holy shit. Just found this. Was Titor right? Sorry, link is only in German (maybe one of you guys can find another link)?
Here's the link:
[link to grenzwissenschaft-aktuell.blogspot.com]
I try to translate the most interesting text passage:
"Accoding to scientists it is most likely that black holes couldn't even occur, because the expected particles are "against the nature", so the nature would prevent the start of the particle accelerator and stop the development of the particles out of the past..."
It seems the scientist have written two articles about this topic: "Test of Effect From Future in Large Hadron Collider: a Proposal" and “Search for Future Influence From LHC”.
This is scary stuff...
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Phennommennonn 
The Queen Of Mean
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10/16/2009 7:23 AM
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 795264 (OP)
10/16/2009 7:25 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
Here's a link for all of you don't speaking German ;)
[link to io9.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 795346
10/16/2009 7:26 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
John Titor what a legend, even though some of his predictions were wrong.. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 795378
10/16/2009 7:33 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 795391
10/16/2009 7:50 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
Hmm... crazy talk?
I dunno...
Think about how crazy and impossible the Youngs experiment (double slit) effect seems, yet it exists and has been proven countless times so I am pretty open to at least considering any quantum weirdness they care to throw at us.
But the language used about this current problem is unsettling.
Take this quote for instance...
"They have come up with a theory that it (the Higgs Boson) will "ripple backward through time" and stop the collider before it could make one."
The reasoning being that "its (the collider) discoveries could be so "abhorrent to nature" that they (the Higgs) are coming back to stop their own creation."
That almost implies some kind of conscious action by the particle.
Considering they also refer to the Higgs Boson as the "God Particle" you can see what I'm getting at here...
And I am an atheist.
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cloud4strife
User ID: 757498
10/16/2009 7:57 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
John Titor BS aside, this is interesting.
What if they spent all this time and money building something that ends up proving something else they werent even contemplating during its design and construction?
Apology in advance for killin your thread. |
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from every angle
User ID: 792221
10/16/2009 8:18 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
Holy shit. Just found this. Was Titor right? Sorry, link is only in German (maybe one of you guys can find another link)?
Here's the link:
[ link to grenzwissenschaft-aktuell.blogspot.com]
I try to translate the most interesting text passage:
"Accoding to scientists it is most likely that black holes couldn't even occur, because the expected particles are "against the nature", so the nature would prevent the start of the particle accelerator and stop the development of the particles out of the past..."
It seems the scientist have written two articles about this topic: "Test of Effect From Future in Large Hadron Collider: a Proposal" and “Search for Future Influence From LHC”.
This is scary stuff...
john titor cern uncovers time travel but he really doesn`t say anything about the l h collider being involved, but yeah cern,i they contract in with ge well it will be public knowledge then, tappin my nose. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 566027
10/16/2009 8:20 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
So does this mean:
"Accoding to scientists it is most likely that black holes couldn't even occur, because the expected particles are "against the nature", so the nature would prevent the start of the particle accelerator and stop the development of the particles out of the past..."
That CERN is a complete waste of money and now USELESS? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 665901
10/16/2009 8:23 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
wow freaky idea that actually makes sense. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 566027
10/16/2009 8:26 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
wow freaky idea that actually makes sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 665901
Why not look into the past then? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 795391
10/16/2009 8:26 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
So does this mean:
"Accoding to scientists it is most likely that black holes couldn't even occur, because the expected particles are "against the nature", so the nature would prevent the start of the particle accelerator and stop the development of the particles out of the past..."
That CERN is a complete waste of money and now USELESS? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 566027
Uh... no.
They are saying that the particle they are searching for may be travelling back in time and sabotaging the collider to prevent its own discovery.
That's incredible and awe inspiring, if they could prove it then it would be the most fucking whacked out discovery in human history.
It would turn physics upside down, it's almost better than the actual purpose of the collider in the first place. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 566027
10/16/2009 8:32 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
So does this mean:
"Accoding to scientists it is most likely that black holes couldn't even occur, because the expected particles are "against the nature", so the nature would prevent the start of the particle accelerator and stop the development of the particles out of the past..."
That CERN is a complete waste of money and now USELESS?
Uh... no.
They are saying that the particle they are searching for may be travelling back in time and sabotaging the collider to prevent its own discovery.
That's incredible and awe inspiring, if they could prove it then it would be the most fucking whacked out discovery in human history.
It would turn physics upside down, it's almost better than the actual purpose of the collider in the first place. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 795391
OK, wow, that does sound wild. Particles are smart, can change their behavior! |
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elbrian
User ID: 783281
10/16/2009 8:59 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
"How can I move forward when I don't know which way I'm facing?"
[link to ninecrimes.net] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 781559
10/16/2009 9:11 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
Some thing like they announced.
However they already have proof.
And it is not the particle it is a conscious being :D, portrayed as a particle due to the fast travel it's dimensions are interrupted.
This conscious being is from the past and has been given information about Cern that his employers have developed a counter part to prevent something.
Another possible test to be done should be...
Remove all partials and accelerate the vacuum it shall give them a starting point as to how the process works even dhow it will not contain particles. A quantum streak if you will.
Then after analyzing the data they will be able to prevent sabotage and course which in turn will produce the original result. |
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antaun
User ID: 782781
10/16/2009 9:13 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
This whole thing is stupid to me. What does he mean black holes couldn't exist? All you have to do is look up in outer space and you'll SEE a black hole. People are stupid! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 781559
10/16/2009 9:21 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
This whole thing is stupid to me. What does he mean black holes couldn't exist? All you have to do is look up in outer space and you'll SEE a black hole. People are stupid! Quoting: antaun 782781
Black hole cannot exist due to the magnetic/electronic energy being interrupted. One black hole would disturb the whole order of our universe and other universes causing sever damage to life it self due to its ecological destruction.
(the Universe has a magnetic pull that holds every subject within it's given space there fore if a black hole opens it would disturb all sequence everywhere within the universe, meaning earthquakes, splits...)
However people have assumed you need black hole to travel through space which is not true, space is made of particles where you can use as train track to shoot frequency from point A to point B. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 607669
10/16/2009 9:22 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
YOU YOU'VE BLOWN IT ALL SKYHIGHHHH |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 795391
10/16/2009 9:24 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
This whole thing is stupid to me. What does he mean black holes couldn't exist? All you have to do is look up in outer space and you'll SEE a black hole. People are stupid! Quoting: antaun 782781
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Anonymous Coward
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10/16/2009 9:29 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
We have been caught in a time loop for 100-million years  |
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Skeptic the First
User ID: 785315
10/16/2009 9:35 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
It's silly for journalists, and perhaps even the scientists themselves, to ascribe either consciousness or time travel to a particle. The actual hypothesis under discussion is simply that:
The creation of a lone, self-standing Higgs boson would be a contradiction (an unsolvable paradox) in the time-space continuum. Thus, any attempt to do so creates an opposing countercurrent in that continuum, preventing success. It is not a matter of either consciousness or time travel, but rather an action meeting an opposite reaction. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 607669
10/16/2009 9:39 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
IF WE ALL LOOK AT THE PARTICLE AT THE SAME TIME
WE COULD MAKE IT DANCE |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 781559
10/16/2009 9:54 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
It's silly for journalists, and perhaps even the scientists themselves, to ascribe either consciousness or time travel to a particle. The actual hypothesis under discussion is simply that:
The creation of a lone, self-standing Higgs boson would be a contradiction (an unsolvable paradox) in the time-space continuum. Thus, any attempt to do so creates an opposing countercurrent in that continuum, preventing success. It is not a matter of either consciousness or time travel, but rather an action meeting an opposite reaction. Quoting: Skeptic the First 785315
Yes i'v read others say that about thing we have solved already.
Shall we just stand still and hope creation is too holy to solve, I don't think so, leave that to idiots. |
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antaun
User ID: 782781
10/16/2009 10:06 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
This whole thing is stupid to me. What does he mean black holes couldn't exist? All you have to do is look up in outer space and you'll SEE a black hole. People are stupid!
What do you mean wtf? Look up in outer space. You will see a black hole FOOL! And John Titor is saying that black holes couldn't possibly exist. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 795471
10/16/2009 10:12 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
If one molecule is 'intelligent', they all would have to be. So, who gave them 'intelligence'? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 501224
10/16/2009 10:17 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
it's bullshit cause earth travel in space, so it can't hit itself in past. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 496282
10/16/2009 10:35 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
regardless - this may answer why the world is going crazy - maybe in the near future time travel is/was a required thing to do and the fixs have not worked yet for our present ----- confusing lol |
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ZTE
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10/16/2009 10:42 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
The "God Particle" is just what modern science has dubbed the long sought-after object of Alchemy. Some call it the Philosopher's Stone, but the ancient texts call it "The One Thing."
From what I can tell, this is the particle from which all other particles came from. Earth, wind, water and fire all came from this "one thing." Most people think alchemy was to turn other metals into gold, but this was only what a few people sought after. (Nicholas Flamel succeeded in doing this)
Names and terms may change, but the true heart of man doesn't - to become God. |
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Ishtahota
User ID: 774631
10/16/2009 10:49 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
This whole thing is stupid to me. What does he mean black holes couldn't exist? All you have to do is look up in outer space and you'll SEE a black hole. People are stupid!
What do you mean wtf? Look up in outer space. You will see a black hole FOOL! And John Titor is saying that black holes couldn't possibly exist.
JOHN TITOR SAYS NO SUCH THING!!
Quite the opposite in fact. His TT machine consists of actually two BH's where the intersecting 'event horizons' is where the TT occurs.
catch up. |
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Anonymous Coward
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10/16/2009 10:54 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
[link to arxiv.org]
Test of Influence from Future in Large Hadron Collider; A Proposal
Authors: Holger B. Nielsen, Masao Ninomiya
(Submitted on 21 Feb 2008 (v1), last revised 11 Jul 2008 (this version, v2))
Abstract: We have earlier proposed the idea of making card drawing experiment of which outcome potentially decides whether Large Hadron Collider (LHC for short) should be closed or not. The purpose is to test theoretical models which, like e.g. our own model that has an imaginary part of the action with much a similar form to that of the real part. The imaginary part has influence on the initial conditions not only in the past but even from the future. It was speculated that all accelerators producing large amounts of Higgs particles like the Superconducting Super Collider (SSC for short) would call for initial conditions to have been so arranged as to finally not allow these accelerators to come to work. If there were such effects we could perhaps provoke a very clear cut "miracle" by having the effect make the drawn card be the one closing LHC. Here we shall, however, discuss that a total closing is hardly needed and seek to calculate how one could perform checking experiment for the proposed type of influence from future to be made in the statistically least disturbing and least harmful way.
We shall also discuss how to extract most information about our effect or model in the unlikely case that a card restricting the running of LHC or the Tevatron would be drawn at all, by estimating say the relative importance of high beam energy or of high luminosity for the purpose of our effect.
Top right of website allows you to download the full article. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 795527
10/16/2009 11:36 AM | | Re: John Titor was right ... Cern admits time traveling | Quote |
This whole thing is stupid to me. What does he mean black holes couldn't exist? All you have to do is look up in outer space and you'll SEE a black hole. People are stupid!
What do you mean wtf? Look up in outer space. You will see a black hole FOOL! And John Titor is saying that black holes couldn't possibly exist.
Do you know what a Black Hole is?
[link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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