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| Menow
User ID: 405501
11/7/2009 3:04 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
"Extreem Mass/Gravitational Differentiated Binary Solar System"
"Preceptual Gravitational Time Dilation via Elliptical Orbit"
"Preceptual Visible Light Spectrum Phasing via Time Dilation"
Spelling Corrected, maybe those who did not understand will now understand. Quoting: Tantalus 438726
Your spelling is still not correct and Google returns ZERO direct hits on those three(corrected) phrases. It is pseudo-scientific blather. |
| Tantalus
User ID: 438726
11/7/2009 3:07 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
"Extreem Mass/Gravitational Differentiated Binary Solar System"
"Preceptual Gravitational Time Dilation via Elliptical Orbit"
"Preceptual Visible Light Spectrum Phasing via Time Dilation"
Spelling Corrected, maybe those who did not understand will now understand.
Your spelling is still not correct and Google returns ZERO direct hits on those three(corrected) phrases. It is pseudo-scientific blather. Quoting: Menow 405501
I never said you would find those statements at google. I would like people to understand by logic and current understanding alone. Do you really think people already know everything there is to know. Where does new undertanding begin anyways? Where does progress come from, if google knows all? |
| Tantalus
User ID: 438726
11/7/2009 3:11 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
"Extreem Mass/Gravitational Differentiated Binary Solar System"
"Preceptual Gravitational Time Dilation via Elliptical Orbit"
"Preceptual Visible Light Spectrum Phasing via Time Dilation"
Spelling Corrected, maybe those who did not understand will now understand.
Your spelling is still not correct and Google returns ZERO direct hits on those three(corrected) phrases. It is pseudo-scientific blather. Quoting: Menow 405501
And really, this is all you have for me as far as deductively understanding those statements. You have no real mind, you are a idea recyclery, regurgitating what you take in. No extrapolation, or intuitive deduction. |
| Menow
User ID: 405501
11/7/2009 3:14 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
"Extreem Mass/Gravitational Differentiated Binary Solar System"
"Preceptual Gravitational Time Dilation via Elliptical Orbit"
"Preceptual Visible Light Spectrum Phasing via Time Dilation"
Spelling Corrected, maybe those who did not understand will now understand.
Your spelling is still not correct and Google returns ZERO direct hits on those three(corrected) phrases. It is pseudo-scientific blather.
I never said you would find those statements at google. I would like people to understand by logic and current understanding alone. Do you really think people already know everything there is to know. Where does new undertanding begin anyways? Where does progress come from, if google knows all? Quoting: Tantalus 438726
How about if it starts with YOU explaining wtf you think they mean? You are simply tossing out some word-salad and expecting people to figure out what YOU mean by it? Sheesh! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 438726
11/7/2009 3:22 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
"Extreem Mass/Gravitational Differentiated Binary Solar System"
"Preceptual Gravitational Time Dilation via Elliptical Orbit"
"Preceptual Visible Light Spectrum Phasing via Time Dilation"
Spelling Corrected, maybe those who did not understand will now understand.
Your spelling is still not correct and Google returns ZERO direct hits on those three(corrected) phrases. It is pseudo-scientific blather.
I never said you would find those statements at google. I would like people to understand by logic and current understanding alone. Do you really think people already know everything there is to know. Where does new undertanding begin anyways? Where does progress come from, if google knows all?
How about if it starts with YOU explaining wtf you think they mean? You are simply tossing out some word-salad and expecting people to figure out what YOU mean by it? Sheesh! Quoting: Menow 405501
I know what they mean, I wrote them. Anyone who initally understands them are the kind of people I can have a constructive conversation with. You do not qualify, you are mearly an example I am demonstrating. |
| Menow
User ID: 405501
11/7/2009 3:35 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
"Extreem Mass/Gravitational Differentiated Binary Solar System"
"Preceptual Gravitational Time Dilation via Elliptical Orbit"
"Preceptual Visible Light Spectrum Phasing via Time Dilation"
Spelling Corrected, maybe those who did not understand will now understand.
Your spelling is still not correct and Google returns ZERO direct hits on those three(corrected) phrases. It is pseudo-scientific blather.
I never said you would find those statements at google. I would like people to understand by logic and current understanding alone. Do you really think people already know everything there is to know. Where does new undertanding begin anyways? Where does progress come from, if google knows all?
How about if it starts with YOU explaining wtf you think they mean? You are simply tossing out some word-salad and expecting people to figure out what YOU mean by it? Sheesh!
I know what they mean, I wrote them. Anyone who initally understands them are the kind of people I can have a constructive conversation with. You do not qualify, you are mearly an example I am demonstrating. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 438726
You couldn't even SPELL the words you were using! Now you refuse to explain wtf you claim to "know"? You're simply trolling. |
| Volar
User ID: 796327
11/7/2009 3:46 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
Give me the coordinates and I will image it tonight.
Tonight?....You haven't been listening.
We're all supposed to listen to your silly PX theories and ignore all the others?! How arrogant! So you're the authority on PX now? All those other PXtards who say it's in Orion or over the south pole are, what, shills?
Who told you PX is near the Sun and what makes you believe it, silly youtube vids?
How can a planet hover near the Sun for 6 years?
How can a planet which allegedly supports life hover near the Sun without cooking that life?
How do I know you will not "listen" to any arguments or answer any questions which would challenge your beliefs? Quoting: Menow 405501
When I said PX is near the Sun, it should have been obvious to you, it meant laterally....not distant. As far as PX hovering near the Sun, Nancy has a reason for this, and since you have been critical of her, without checking out her site, I feel there is no reason you would believe me, since you have your mind already made up. Why waste my time with trolls. |
| KeepingItReal
User ID: 553451
11/7/2009 3:46 PM
 | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
What the AC means, Menow is that he made up these misspelled words so that the more gullible will think he is special and will hang on his every word. If you recognize them as drivel, he cannot have a constructive ego fest with you. He won't explain to someone that questions him, because he knows it's something he pulled out of his ass to impress the lowest common denominator of chicken littles and crystal waving flakes.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. |
| Tantalus
User ID: 438726
11/7/2009 3:47 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
"Extreem Mass/Gravitational Differentiated Binary Solar System"
"Preceptual Gravitational Time Dilation via Elliptical Orbit"
"Preceptual Visible Light Spectrum Phasing via Time Dilation"
Spelling Corrected, maybe those who did not understand will now understand.
Your spelling is still not correct and Google returns ZERO direct hits on those three(corrected) phrases. It is pseudo-scientific blather.
I never said you would find those statements at google. I would like people to understand by logic and current understanding alone. Do you really think people already know everything there is to know. Where does new undertanding begin anyways? Where does progress come from, if google knows all?
How about if it starts with YOU explaining wtf you think they mean? You are simply tossing out some word-salad and expecting people to figure out what YOU mean by it? Sheesh!
I know what they mean, I wrote them. Anyone who initally understands them are the kind of people I can have a constructive conversation with. You do not qualify, you are mearly an example I am demonstrating.
You couldn't even SPELL the words you were using! Now you refuse to explain wtf you claim to "know"? You're simply trolling. Quoting: Menow 405501
What you really mean to say is that you have absolutly no idea what those statements mean, tho someone with half an education can read and deduct what they mean.
Its not too difficult to see. The condenced version is that elliptical orbits, whitin a relative force of gravity, preceptually change the speed of time to the point where an object in an elliptical orbit would "phase" out of visable light, when observed from a fixed point near to the central source of gravity.
Yet, if you cannot understand that theory, explained in its most basic terms, and you claim to know enough to be able to tell other people when they are wrong, well.........do I really have to explain that to you too. |
| Volar
User ID: 796327
11/7/2009 3:56 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
Have to go now. I have some important business to take care of. See everyone later tonight. |
| Tantalus
User ID: 438726
11/7/2009 4:04 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
What the AC means, Menow is that he made up these misspelled words so that the more gullible will think he is special and will hang on his every word. If you recognize them as drivel, he cannot have a constructive ego fest with you. He won't explain to someone that questions him, because he knows it's something he pulled out of his ass to impress the lowest common denominator of chicken littles and crystal waving flakes. Quoting: KeepingItReal
I am Tantalus, not AC, maybe you should look at the numbers.
A lesson in observation. |
| Menow
User ID: 405501
11/7/2009 4:09 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
Give me the coordinates and I will image it tonight.
Tonight?....You haven't been listening.
We're all supposed to listen to your silly PX theories and ignore all the others?! How arrogant! So you're the authority on PX now? All those other PXtards who say it's in Orion or over the south pole are, what, shills?
Who told you PX is near the Sun and what makes you believe it, silly youtube vids?
How can a planet hover near the Sun for 6 years?
How can a planet which allegedly supports life hover near the Sun without cooking that life?
How do I know you will not "listen" to any arguments or answer any questions which would challenge your beliefs?
When I said PX is near the Sun, it should have been obvious to you, it meant laterally....not distant. Quoting: Volar 796327
Well, since what you are now saying STILL doesn't make any sense...
So, in your world, "laterally" equals "not distant"?
As far as PX hovering near the Sun, Nancy has a reason for this, Quoting: Volar 796327
Oh? And what reason would that be? Are you saying that PX is NOT really hovering near the Sun?
and since you have been critical of her, without checking out her site, Quoting: Volar 796327
What is it that you feel I haven't "checked out" on her site? Please be specific.
I feel there is no reason you would believe me, since you have your mind already made up. Why waste my time with trolls. Quoting: Volar 796327
Oh... how droll... you are going to run away from the discussion and blame ME for it. Typical bunker tactic!
By the way... I asked you if you believe that Earth is halted in orbit. You didn't answer. Why? Afraid you'll have to explain more of Nancy's "reasoning"?
BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA..A.A.A.A.A.A....!!!! |
| Menow
User ID: 405501
11/7/2009 4:15 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
"Extreem Mass/Gravitational Differentiated Binary Solar System"
"Preceptual Gravitational Time Dilation via Elliptical Orbit"
"Preceptual Visible Light Spectrum Phasing via Time Dilation"
Spelling Corrected, maybe those who did not understand will now understand.
Your spelling is still not correct and Google returns ZERO direct hits on those three(corrected) phrases. It is pseudo-scientific blather.
I never said you would find those statements at google. I would like people to understand by logic and current understanding alone. Do you really think people already know everything there is to know. Where does new undertanding begin anyways? Where does progress come from, if google knows all?
How about if it starts with YOU explaining wtf you think they mean? You are simply tossing out some word-salad and expecting people to figure out what YOU mean by it? Sheesh!
I know what they mean, I wrote them. Anyone who initally understands them are the kind of people I can have a constructive conversation with. You do not qualify, you are mearly an example I am demonstrating.
You couldn't even SPELL the words you were using! Now you refuse to explain wtf you claim to "know"? You're simply trolling.
What you really mean to say is that you have absolutly no idea what those statements mean, tho someone with half an education can read and deduct what they mean.
Its not too difficult to see. The condenced version is that elliptical orbits, whitin a relative force of gravity, preceptually change the speed of time to the point where an object in an elliptical orbit would "phase" out of visable light, when observed from a fixed point near to the central source of gravity.
Yet, if you cannot understand that theory, explained in its most basic terms, and you claim to know enough to be able to tell other people when they are wrong, well.........do I really have to explain that to you too. Quoting: Tantalus 438726
Oh... you are trying to say that we can't see PX because it is MAGIC!!!
BBBBWWWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHHAAA.A.A.AAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 785860
11/7/2009 4:20 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
"Extreem Mass/Gravitational Differentiated Binary Solar System"
"Preceptual Gravitational Time Dilation via Elliptical Orbit"
"Preceptual Visible Light Spectrum Phasing via Time Dilation"
Spelling Corrected, maybe those who did not understand will now understand.
Your spelling is still not correct and Google returns ZERO direct hits on those three(corrected) phrases. It is pseudo-scientific blather.
I never said you would find those statements at google. I would like people to understand by logic and current understanding alone. Do you really think people already know everything there is to know. Where does new undertanding begin anyways? Where does progress come from, if google knows all?
How about if it starts with YOU explaining wtf you think they mean? You are simply tossing out some word-salad and expecting people to figure out what YOU mean by it? Sheesh!
I know what they mean, I wrote them. Anyone who initally understands them are the kind of people I can have a constructive conversation with. You do not qualify, you are mearly an example I am demonstrating.
You couldn't even SPELL the words you were using! Now you refuse to explain wtf you claim to "know"? You're simply trolling.
What you really mean to say is that you have absolutly no idea what those statements mean, tho someone with half an education can read and deduct what they mean.
Its not too difficult to see. The condenced version is that elliptical orbits, whitin a relative force of gravity, preceptually change the speed of time to the point where an object in an elliptical orbit would "phase" out of visable light, when observed from a fixed point near to the central source of gravity.
Yet, if you cannot understand that theory, explained in its most basic terms, and you claim to know enough to be able to tell other people when they are wrong, well.........do I really have to explain that to you too. Quoting: Tantalus 438726
First of all "preceptual" is not a word, so I cannot begin to guess what you mean by it. Time dilation is associated with either high velocities approaching the speed of light (special relativity) or in strong gravitational fields (general relativity). Special relativity is not relevant anywhere in our Solar System since nothing even closely approaches the speed of light, and general relativity is only relevant near the Sun (GR slightly affects Mercury's orbit). Neither of these effects are relevant for some mystery planet far from the Sun. If you think they are you are inventing new physics, and you should at least acknowledge that it completely contradicts the current known laws of physics, and the burden of demonstrating that most accepted physics is incorrect lies with you. |
| Menow
User ID: 405501
11/7/2009 4:23 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
What you really mean to say is that you have absolutly no idea what those statements mean, tho someone with half an education can read and deduct what they mean. Quoting: Tantalus 438726
OK... I'll pick through your pseudoscientific blather. It will be a hoot, I'm sure! (I'll try to ignore your misspellings)
Its not too difficult to see. The condenced version is that elliptical orbits, whitin a relative force of gravity, Quoting: Tantalus 438726
What is a "relative force of gravity"?
preceptually change the speed of time Quoting: Tantalus 438726
The "speed of time"? What, pray tell, is that?
to the point where an object in an elliptical orbit would "phase" out of visable light, Quoting: Tantalus 438726
Example of something "phasing out of visible light"? Or is PX the only object with this magical ability?
when observed from a fixed point near to the central source of gravity. Quoting: Tantalus 438726
What is "fixed" about observing from Earth? Don't you know Earth is in motion?
Yet, if you cannot understand that theory, explained in its most basic terms, and you claim to know enough to be able to tell other people when they are wrong, well.........do I really have to explain that to you too. Quoting: Tantalus 438726
You are not done "explaining", bub. See above. |
| Menow
User ID: 405501
11/7/2009 4:33 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
Actually the "speed of time" phrase does have some meaning within the study of relativity, but you certainly aren't applying any of that theory correctly, as noted by another. |
| Tantalus
User ID: 438726
11/7/2009 4:33 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
First of all "preceptual" is not a word, so I cannot begin to guess what you mean by it. Time dilation is associated with either high velocities approaching the speed of light (special relativity) or in strong gravitational fields (general relativity). Special relativity is not relevant anywhere in our Solar System since nothing even closely approaches the speed of light, and general relativity is only relevant near the Sun (GR slightly affects Mercury's orbit). Neither of these effects are relevant for some mystery planet far from the Sun. If you think they are you are inventing new physics, and you should at least acknowledge that it completely contradicts the current known laws of physics, and the burden of demonstrating that most accepted physics is incorrect lies with you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 785860
Sorry, perceptual.
No, general relativity is more dramatic than you state here. The suns gravity field is immence, at least 8-10 billion miles wide, but probably much larger than that. It generates a fluent gradient gravitational time dilation field, with time relatively accelerated the closer you get to the center. |
| Tantalus
User ID: 438726
11/7/2009 4:36 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
First of all "preceptual" is not a word, so I cannot begin to guess what you mean by it. Time dilation is associated with either high velocities approaching the speed of light (special relativity) or in strong gravitational fields (general relativity). Special relativity is not relevant anywhere in our Solar System since nothing even closely approaches the speed of light, and general relativity is only relevant near the Sun (GR slightly affects Mercury's orbit). Neither of these effects are relevant for some mystery planet far from the Sun. If you think they are you are inventing new physics, and you should at least acknowledge that it completely contradicts the current known laws of physics, and the burden of demonstrating that most accepted physics is incorrect lies with you.
Sorry, perceptual.
No, general relativity is more dramatic than you state here. The suns gravity field is immence, at least 8-10 billion miles wide, but probably much larger than that. It generates a fluent gradient gravitational time dilation field, with time relatively accelerated the closer you get to the center. Quoting: Tantalus 438726
The only reason time is constant on earth is because we have a circular orbit in this time dilated sphere. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 568763
11/7/2009 4:37 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
Where Are You Hiding Planet X or Nibiru, Dr. Brown?
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[ link to www.niburu.nl]
Mike Brown is a professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) and an expert dwarf planet hunter, accredited with discovering over 100 minor bodies in the Kuiper belt. Dr. Brown is also very well known for his part in the re-classification of Pluto.
In this very special IM Interview, Dr. Brown takes some time out with space producer Ian O'Neill to discuss killing Pluto, hate mail and whether there's a massive Planet X hiding near the Kuiper belt ready to strike Earth in 2012 (spoiler: Mike isn't part of a global conspiracy to hide Nibiru). To keep up with his Kuiper belt adventures, follow Mike on Twitter: @plutokiller.
Mike Brown: Back from lunch. Ready for Planet X.
Ian O'Neill: Lol, sounds good!
Trimmed - page up if you want to reread it
KathyT - thank you for a useful and intellegent addition to this thread. |
| UnfrozenCavemanLawyer
User ID: 785860
11/7/2009 4:52 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
First of all "preceptual" is not a word, so I cannot begin to guess what you mean by it. Time dilation is associated with either high velocities approaching the speed of light (special relativity) or in strong gravitational fields (general relativity). Special relativity is not relevant anywhere in our Solar System since nothing even closely approaches the speed of light, and general relativity is only relevant near the Sun (GR slightly affects Mercury's orbit). Neither of these effects are relevant for some mystery planet far from the Sun. If you think they are you are inventing new physics, and you should at least acknowledge that it completely contradicts the current known laws of physics, and the burden of demonstrating that most accepted physics is incorrect lies with you.
Sorry, perceptual.
No, general relativity is more dramatic than you state here. The suns gravity field is immence, at least 8-10 billion miles wide, but probably much larger than that. It generates a fluent gradient gravitational time dilation field, with time relatively accelerated the closer you get to the center. Quoting: Tantalus 438726
This is more invented physics. 8-10 billion miles from the Sun, the Sun's gravitational field is quite weak and well-described by Newtonian mechanics (i.e., inverse distance squared force law). General relativity is only relevant close to the Sun (Mercury and closer). Having a circular or elliptical orbit is irrelevant. Comets have very elliptical orbits, yet the radiation we receive from them is not gravitationally redshifted as it should be in your scenario. If you disagree, please provide the mathematical equations to show that GR effects are relevant very far from the Sun. |
| aznwarlord
User ID: 795177
11/7/2009 4:56 PM
 | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
Last Edited by aznwarlord on 11/7/2009 at 4:57 PM
“I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied without understanding the world.”
– Richard Dawkins |
| gazbom
User ID: 762134
11/7/2009 5:10 PM | | TANATA
User ID: 807915
11/7/2009 5:11 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
Too much has to happen biblically before anything resembling the end of anything in 2012 can happen. By the way, December 21, 2011 is the date for Hanukkah ... with messianic implications?
TANATA: Things (often) Are Not As They Appear [link to tanata.squarespace.com] |
| Tantalus
User ID: 438726
11/7/2009 5:14 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
First of all "preceptual" is not a word, so I cannot begin to guess what you mean by it. Time dilation is associated with either high velocities approaching the speed of light (special relativity) or in strong gravitational fields (general relativity). Special relativity is not relevant anywhere in our Solar System since nothing even closely approaches the speed of light, and general relativity is only relevant near the Sun (GR slightly affects Mercury's orbit). Neither of these effects are relevant for some mystery planet far from the Sun. If you think they are you are inventing new physics, and you should at least acknowledge that it completely contradicts the current known laws of physics, and the burden of demonstrating that most accepted physics is incorrect lies with you.
Sorry, perceptual.
No, general relativity is more dramatic than you state here. The suns gravity field is immence, at least 8-10 billion miles wide, but probably much larger than that. It generates a fluent gradient gravitational time dilation field, with time relatively accelerated the closer you get to the center.
This is more invented physics. 8-10 billion miles from the Sun, the Sun's gravitational field is quite weak and well-described by Newtonian mechanics (i.e., inverse distance squared force law). General relativity is only relevant close to the Sun (Mercury and closer). Having a circular or elliptical orbit is irrelevant. Comets have very elliptical orbits, yet the radiation we receive from them is not gravitationally redshifted as it should be in your scenario. If you disagree, please provide the mathematical equations to show that GR effects are relevant very far from the Sun. Quoting: UnfrozenCavemanLawyer 785860
Well, lets see here, pluto is in orbit at 3.5 billion miles, gravitationally. So lets see, thats a diameter of at least 7 billion miles, and im sure it dosent stop there, ya know, with the Kuiper Belt, and all, in gravitational orbits at more than 4.5 billion miles, thats a diameter of nearly 9-10 billion miles. Then thers the oort cloud at 5,000-10,000 AU. Seems to me like the sun has a pretty wide gravitational influance.
[link to solarsystem.nasa.gov]
Please note also in this NASA website, that they mention the "occational passing star" disturbing the oort cloud and keiper belt. When do stars pass occationally? Why would they say that? |
| Tantalus
User ID: 438726
11/7/2009 5:31 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
[ link to solarsystem.nasa.gov]
Please note also in this NASA website, that they mention the "occational passing star" disturbing the oort cloud and keiper belt. When do stars pass occationally? Why would they say that?
Concider their mention of the Occasional Passing Star. Lets see here, either they are lying, or they are practicing "psuedo-science" as it has been called on this thread. Because as far as i know, besides their nightly trek across the sky, most stars that are openly visable, stay where they are. I have never seen any kind of star close enough to be knocking oort cloud objects around. |
| Tantalus
User ID: 438726
11/7/2009 5:33 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
[ link to solarsystem.nasa.gov]
Please note also in this NASA website, that they mention the "occational passing star" disturbing the oort cloud and keiper belt. When do stars pass occationally? Why would they say that?
Concider their mention of the Occasional Passing Star. Lets see here, either they are lying, or they are practicing "psuedo-science" as it has been called on this thread. Because as far as i know, besides their nightly trek across the sky, most stars that are openly visable, stay where they are. I have never seen any kind of star close enough to be knocking oort cloud objects around.
Or maybe they are telling the truth, and there are stars close to our solar system that we cannot see. Hmmmmmmm...... |
| Tantalus
User ID: 438726
11/7/2009 5:41 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
"Extreem Mass/Gravitational Differentiated Binary Solar System"
"Perceptual Gravitational Time Dilation via Elliptical Orbit"
"Perceptual Visible Light Spectrum Phasing via Time Dilation" Quoting: Tantalus 438726 |
| UnfrozenCavemanLawyer
User ID: 785860
11/7/2009 5:51 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
First of all "preceptual" is not a word, so I cannot begin to guess what you mean by it. Time dilation is associated with either high velocities approaching the speed of light (special relativity) or in strong gravitational fields (general relativity). Special relativity is not relevant anywhere in our Solar System since nothing even closely approaches the speed of light, and general relativity is only relevant near the Sun (GR slightly affects Mercury's orbit). Neither of these effects are relevant for some mystery planet far from the Sun. If you think they are you are inventing new physics, and you should at least acknowledge that it completely contradicts the current known laws of physics, and the burden of demonstrating that most accepted physics is incorrect lies with you.
Sorry, perceptual.
No, general relativity is more dramatic than you state here. The suns gravity field is immence, at least 8-10 billion miles wide, but probably much larger than that. It generates a fluent gradient gravitational time dilation field, with time relatively accelerated the closer you get to the center.
This is more invented physics. 8-10 billion miles from the Sun, the Sun's gravitational field is quite weak and well-described by Newtonian mechanics (i.e., inverse distance squared force law). General relativity is only relevant close to the Sun (Mercury and closer). Having a circular or elliptical orbit is irrelevant. Comets have very elliptical orbits, yet the radiation we receive from them is not gravitationally redshifted as it should be in your scenario. If you disagree, please provide the mathematical equations to show that GR effects are relevant very far from the Sun.
Well, lets see here, pluto is in orbit at 3.5 billion miles, gravitationally. So lets see, thats a diameter of at least 7 billion miles, and im sure it dosent stop there, ya know, with the Kuiper Belt, and all, in gravitational orbits at more than 4.5 billion miles, thats a diameter of nearly 9-10 billion miles. Then thers the oort cloud at 5,000-10,000 AU. Seems to me like the sun has a pretty wide gravitational influance.
Oh, I'm not saying the Sun has no gravitational influence at 5 billion miles away. It certainly does, or Pluto or the Kuiper Belt objects wouldn't stick around. I'm saying that the Sun's gravity out there isn't nearly strong enough to cause any type of measurable time dilation. Pluto's and the KBOs orbits are quite nicely described by good ole classical gravity (Kepler's Laws) as they should be.
You would experience time dilation if you were very near the event horizon of a black hole, for example. Not moving slowly in the outer regions of a solar system.
[ link to solarsystem.nasa.gov]
Please note also in this NASA website, that they mention the "occational passing star" disturbing the oort cloud and keiper belt. When do stars pass occationally? Why would they say that?
The idea that passing stars perturb the Oort Cloud is speculative (there isn't even direct evidence that the Oort Cloud actually exists). But there isn't any better idea to explain where long-period comets come from, so the idea has stuck around. So the "passing star" hypothesis wins by default. There are stars in the Sun's neighborhood that have large velocities relative to our Solar System, so I suppose it's possible some of them have passed by in the past. I'm not aware of any concrete evidence for this though. |
| UnfrozenCavemanLawyer
User ID: 785860
11/7/2009 6:07 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
[ link to solarsystem.nasa.gov]
Please note also in this NASA website, that they mention the "occational passing star" disturbing the oort cloud and keiper belt. When do stars pass occationally? Why would they say that?
Concider their mention of the Occasional Passing Star. Lets see here, either they are lying, or they are practicing "psuedo-science" as it has been called on this thread. Because as far as i know, besides their nightly trek across the sky, most stars that are openly visable, stay where they are. I have never seen any kind of star close enough to be knocking oort cloud objects around.
The comets supposedly from the Oort Cloud have periods of thousands, if not millions of years. So they could have been knocked out of the Oort Cloud long ago when no one would have noticed.
Nearby stars do move around the sky, albeit very slowly. Barnard's Star is at a distance of 6 light years, and moves about 10 arcseconds a year
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
It is moving towards us and will be 3.8 light years away at closest approach. Probably not close enough to perturb the Oort Cloud, but it does provide proof of concept. |
| Menow
User ID: 405501
11/7/2009 6:12 PM | | Re: Nibiru planet X 2012 PROOF of Government conspiracy | Quote |
[ link to solarsystem.nasa.gov]
Please note also in this NASA website, that they mention the "occational passing star" disturbing the oort cloud and keiper belt. When do stars pass occationally? Why would they say that?
Concider their mention of the Occasional Passing Star. Lets see here, either they are lying, or they are practicing "psuedo-science" as it has been called on this thread. Because as far as i know, besides their nightly trek across the sky, most stars that are openly visable, stay where they are. I have never seen any kind of star close enough to be knocking oort cloud objects around.
Gawd you're an idiot. |
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