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Serious Vaccine Reactions to Now Be Called 'Coincidence'?

 
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Every day Americans wake up to news reports that warn us about the dangers of influenza, especially the new H1N1 “swine flu”.

But swine flu is mild for most people and the virus is not mutating into a more serious form.

Millions of people around the world have recovered from swine flu, and millions more will get sick with fevers, body aches, nasal congestion, cough and sometimes diarrhea and vomiting and recover from it this year and next year without any complications.

Nonetheless, wide-scale vaccination is being encouraged -- even though swine flu vaccines have been tested on only a few thousand healthy Americans for a few weeks. There is little or no information about how safe the vaccine is for pregnant women and chronically ill or disabled children.

If you or your child are injured from getting a flu swine flu shot, you are on your own. Congress has shielded the vaccine manufacturers and any person giving swine flu shots from lawsuits if people get hurt.

There is no funded government vaccine injury compensation program for swine flu vaccine.

Do NOT let a doctor or anyone else tell you that a serious health problem you or your child experiences after vaccination is a coincidence and allow more shots to be given until you know for sure.

The most tragic cases of vaccine injury occur when vaccine reaction symptoms are dismissed as a 'coincidence" and more vaccines are given that result in more severe symptoms -- and sometimes end with permanent brain and immune system damage or death.

But while Americans are still debating whether to roll up their sleeves for a swine flu shot, companies have already figured it out: vaccines are good for business.

Drug companies have sold $1.5 billion worth of swine flu shots, in addition to the $1 billion for seasonal flu they booked earlier this year. These inoculations are part of a much wider and rapidly growing $20 billion global vaccine market.

"The vaccine market is booming," says Bruce Carlson, spokesperson at market research firm Kalorama, which publishes an annual survey of the vaccine industry. "It's an enormous growth area for pharmaceuticals at a time when other areas are not doing so well," he says, noting that the pipeline for more traditional blockbuster drugs such as Lipitor and Nexium has thinned.

As always with pandemic flus, taxpayers are footing the $1.5 billion check for the 250 million swine flu vaccines that the government has ordered so far and will be distributing free to doctors, pharmacies and schools. In addition, Congress has set aside more than $10 billion this year to research flu viruses, monitor H1N1's progress and educate the public about prevention.

Drugmakers pocket most of the revenues from flu sales, with Sanofi-Pasteur, Glaxo Smith Kline and Novartis cornering most of the market.

But some say it's not just drugmakers who stand to benefit. Doctors collect copayments for special office visits to inject shots, and there have been assertions that these doctors actually profit handsomely from these vaccinations

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10/20/2009 09:16 AM
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Re: Serious Vaccine Reactions to Now Be Called 'Coincidence'?
there's nothing wrong with vaccines - if you happen to die after getting
one it's because you're a no-good ,lazy , good-for-nothing with junk genes,
and it serves you right for not having vaccine-compatible dna
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A couple weeks after the nasal vaccine is released and now the H1N1 cases shoot up......






connect the dots...
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10/20/2009 09:31 AM
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A couple weeks after the nasal vaccine is released and now the H1N1 cases shoot up......






connect the dots...
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LMAO

Nothing to do with the weather change i'm sure.

This is the time of year I usually get the flu...


connect the dots...
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A couple weeks after the nasal vaccine is released and now the H1N1 cases shoot up......






connect the dots...
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6 months after anyone one with 1/10 a brain said that the flu would start hitting hard in October/November as winter started to settle in.


Connect the dots
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A couple weeks after the nasal vaccine is released and now the H1N1 cases shoot up......






connect the dots...



LMAO

Nothing to do with the weather change i'm sure.

This is the time of year I usually get the flu...


connect the dots...
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True in part, except that the incidence rate is worse than Australia. All things being equal, the rate in their flu season and ours should be similar.

... or Canada's (no FluMist) with the USA.

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True in part, except that the incidence rate is worse than Australia. All things being equal, the rate in their flu season and ours should be similar.

... or Canada's (no FluMist) with the USA.
 Quoting: Lily


Spot on point, Lily, but you are debating with the uneducated here. If Jeremy doesn't understand that the flu mist (nasal) contains the live virus, and the live virus LIVES for up to 21 days making the one carrying it (the newly vaccinated) contagious, then all other info given to him will go straight over his head.
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True in part, except that the incidence rate is worse than Australia. All things being equal, the rate in their flu season and ours should be similar.

... or Canada's (no FluMist) with the USA.


Spot on point, Lily, but you are debating with the uneducated here. If Jeremy doesn't understand that the flu mist (nasal) contains the live virus, and the live virus LIVES for up to 21 days making the one carrying it (the newly vaccinated) contagious, then all other info given to him will go straight over his head.
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Exactly, even the manufacturer admits that that 2.5% of the recipients will spread the vaccine from the mist. That's using the developer's own numbers, which are always more conservative and on the low end of what's likely in the bell curve.
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Re: Serious Vaccine Reactions to Now Be Called 'Coincidence'?
True in part, except that the incidence rate is worse than Australia. All things being equal, the rate in their flu season and ours should be similar.

... or Canada's (no FluMist) with the USA.


Spot on point, Lily, but you are debating with the uneducated here. If Jeremy doesn't understand that the flu mist (nasal) contains the live virus, and the live virus LIVES for up to 21 days making the one carrying it (the newly vaccinated) contagious, then all other info given to him will go straight over his head.
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Exactly, even the manufacturer admits that that 2.5% of the recipients will spread the vaccine from the mist. That's using the developer's own numbers, which are always more conservative and on the low end of what's likely in the bell curve.
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I really think we as citizens need to push our representatives into changing laws that is protecting the patient. If a vaccine causes complications or someone's death (and it is proven), then the big pharma needs to compensate. I am not saying they compensate with millions, but some sort of compensation should go to the family. I am sorry but the laws need to be CHANGED.
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I just got into a disagreement this morning about this point. He's telling me that I'm spreading a failed conspiracy, and all I'm saying is that I'm away it's now the flu season. I can account for that. However, the manufacturer admits FluMist can spread the virus AND epidemic rates should be similar in Canada and USA, all other things being equal (actually, Canada should probably be a bit higher because of the latitude) so if the USA is higher then it could be the FluMist.
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I just got into a disagreement this morning about this point. He's telling me that I'm spreading a failed conspiracy, and all I'm saying is that I'm away it's now the flu season. I can account for that. However, the manufacturer admits FluMist can spread the virus AND epidemic rates should be similar in Canada and USA, all other things being equal (actually, Canada should probably be a bit higher because of the latitude) so if the USA is higher then it could be the FluMist.
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My friend took the nasal spray; nobody could explain why both of her granddaughters came down with 'flu just days apart. No reason for the girls to be sick. One had been home for several days because she broke her arm playing soccer...Granny took care of her. I wonder if Granny was the culprit?





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