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Kirk
User ID: 749840

United States
10/27/2009 8:24 AM

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[free_energy blog] Dennis Lee's followers have dropped HAFC and Genesis and now sell MMPG System

Scientific American just run an article listing some of the fuel-less energy claims that have certainly not panned out - both crack pot and conventional here:
[link to www.scientif] icamerican. com/blog/ post.cfm? id=five-big- alt-energy- letdowns- ideas-2009- 03-18 This article includes:

Zero-point energy
Some have posited that looking to the very small – as in quantum – might help solve the very big global energy need. According to quantum mechanics, a perfect vacuum actually contains a bit of energy, which can create particles that pop into existence out of nowhere before quickly disappearing again. Physicists have seen this zero-point energy in the form of the Casimir effect in which two closely spaced plates in a vacuum are pushed together ever so slightly by this energy. But one of the big problems would be capturing useful amounts of energy; after all, it takes at least as much energy to pull the plates apart again. Nevertheless, plenty of so-called "perpetual motion" devices using zero-point energy have been proposed, but careful analysis inevitably shows that such schemes violate at least one law of thermodynamics, and nothing concrete (or even too theoretically plausible) has materialized just yet.

Cold fusion
Also from the realm of the theoretically dubious, cold fusion (or low energy nuclear reaction) has had a hazy history since it was first reported in 1989. The process, which allegedly created an unexpected burst of heat in an experiment by electrochemists Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons at the University of Utah, apparently occurred when some heavy water (water that contained extra hydrogen isotopes called deuterium), was zapped with electricity by an electrode made of palladium (a rare metal). So far it hasn't been replicated to satisfy either the scientific community or the Department of Energy, leaving this type of fusion's future out in the cold for now.
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Sterling Allan has been fooled by some of the free energy con men in the past, but at least reports on many of the crooks. In the following article, he exposes the Magniwork scam:
[link to www.off-] grid.net/ 2009/10/08/ magniwork- energy-internet- scam/
Internet fraudsters are raking in thousands of dollars a day with an elaborate scam selling magnetic perpetual motion machines that are claimed to produce infinite free energy.

Since spring this year an operation called Magniwork has been selling a $50 DIY guide to building a perpetual motion device at home. On their web-site the fraudsters claim the materials are available in any local hardware store for less than $100. One estimate puts sales of the guide as high as 5,000 copies a month, making the scam worth up to $3m a year.

The claims for Magniwork are advanced via an extensive Google advertising campaign, and a network of blogs, web-sites and reviews endorsing the product. They are given further credibility by a clip of film from Sky News Australia about plans for a similar product made by a legitimate if optimistic research company called Lutec. Lutec patented its technology in 19 countries in 1999, but the product has still not seen the light of day. Off-Grid has discovered that the clip is over 8 years old.

Perpetual motion machine

Magniwork which describes its product as ‘a magnetic power generator’ claims to have invented a revolutionary off-grid power source that uses magnets to “power itself and create energy by itself, without requiring solar energy, heat, water, coal or any kind of resource.” The web-site promises the device will generate perpetual energy which will “fully power your home for free.”

However even the idea of such a device is dismissed by trained physicists. “The little explanation they give on their website makes no sense to me,” said Gunnar Pruessner, a lecturer in physics at Imperial College London. “For starters it breaks with all we know about quantum physics since Dirac, which says that we cannot tap into zero point fluctuations or virtual particles.”

Priceless IP

He observed that if the claims were true, they would mark the biggest advance in science ever. “It would bring a world-wide socio-economic revolution with incalculable political consequences. So you have to ask why are they scuzzing around selling their priceless IP (intellectual property) for a few dollars?”

Made in Macedonia

The site gives no way of contacting Magniwork -other than to order the guide. But its legal disclaimer reveals that despite the .com web address which suggests a US-based company, Magniwork is in fact located in Macedonia, a tiny republic on the northern border of Greece in Europe. “This Agreement shall all be governed and construed in accordance with the laws of Macedonia applicable to agreements made and to be performed in Macedonia,” it reads. It has similarly proved difficult to identify the individuals behind the scheme. But one researcher claims to have written to the site’s web-master who referred in his reply to a man simply called “Igor”, the manual’s publisher.

Kernel of truth

Angry customers admit that the guide does contain kernels of truth. “Some of the suggestions in the e-book can reduce your home power consumption. For example, checking for air leaks, have better home insulation, servicing your air-conditioning unit or heate etc,”wrote one. But is it essentially amateurish and misleading, they say. “The whole “document” is 57 pages long and looks like something a kid in high school put together. The final “generator” is basically a magnet that is 2″ high sitting on a turntable that is 4″ high! They claim that its output is 24.5 Watts! That is 1/100th of what my house uses when the AC is on. It wouldn’t put out enough power to light up a standard light bulb,“ wrote another angry blogger. Fraudulent

Alternative energy expert Sterling D. Allan founder of The New Energy Congress has examined Magniwork’s claims. “Most of the 50+ page manual contains energy conservation tips that are based on well-established principles,” he said. But he points out that plans for the device are freely available elsewhere, they are based on other people’s work and he claims to have tried to contact people offering testimonials, without success. “The wording on their site still gives the reader the idea that the plans will result in a working free energy device but that is not the case. Such representation is fraud,” he concluded.

Although highly implausible, the idea of somehow harvesting magnetic power has intrigued scientists for over a century. It was first suggested by pioneering physicist Nicola Tesla in the nineteenth century. Australian company Lutec is still trying to perfect such a device. And U.S based based Magnetic Power Inc, headed by Mark Goldes, has claimed to be on the verge of launching a ‘Magnetic Power Module’ for at least six years. There is no suggestion that either Lutec or MPI are part of the scam.

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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803545

Portugal
10/27/2009 8:29 AM

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* GPS installed * Modem attached with high speed Internet (provided at the company's expense) for 24/7 monitoring. ? sounds more like a big brother device than an energy source one

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 715509

United States
10/27/2009 8:34 AM

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Nuke reactor in a brick Quoting: RememberThis 9.2KWH Uranium/Thorium/Radium Atomic Battery? The NRC licensing would likely kill the home owner.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803959

Slovenia
10/27/2009 8:45 AM

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Could it also power vehicles, industries etc.?

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I don't have enough info on how the unit does what they claim it does.

I am being told the patent has been approved and waiting issue.

The only reason I posted this is based on so many of like devices we have looked into on GLP through the years.

I knew people would flame me but I think it's kind of exciting that there might be a chance that the USA might start a new round of Green based business.

At 57 years of age when something sounds to good to be true it's to good to be true. Do I think this is the real deal.

Not sure but I am giving it time to grow up and move from there. I have position myself to take 100% advantage of it IF it turns out to be a break through product!

ice

Quoting: Ice

hmmm... I've read a lot about them.... they are in Australia and have yet to show a working machine.

All I see is words and nothing to back them up.

But as far as I can see this technology is not new, I presume it (if they are legit) is just the continuation of Bedini / Grey work....

Check into Grey.... I believe he found the holy grail.

Atheist
User ID: 800786

United Kingdom
10/27/2009 10:04 AM

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you can't talk about the law it violates when you don't have facts! ice Quoting: Ice Yeah facts, like what this thread is full of. Last Edited by Atheist on 10/27/2009 at 10:11 AM I haven't seen Avatar, but Titanic had blue people too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 909168

Atheist
User ID: 800786

United Kingdom
10/27/2009 10:07 AM

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Timeline info from SingTech:

[link to www.singtech.com]

The primary reason for failure in the field of controlled nuclear fusion energy has not been a lack of funds for research and development but rather by the fact that the mainstream particle physics community has not been in possession of a correct and comprehensive model of the interactive behavior of elementary charged particles. Because of this basic lack of knowledge, the community of physicists and engineers involved in nuclear fusion research and development have never had a correct understanding of the fusion process itself. SingTech, however, because of advances in these areas of knowledge, expects to begin, through licensees, delivering reactors to consumers and industry by 2012.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 790367

Oh really, WONDER HOW THEY INVENTED THE FUCKING HYDROGEN BOMB THEN!

I haven't seen Avatar, but Titanic had blue people too.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 909168

Atheist
User ID: 800786

United Kingdom
10/27/2009 10:10 AM

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Too many other people and systems involved for my liking. I think I'll stick with the wind and solar system I already have. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 802755 I would too, only proven system that works so far. I haven't seen Avatar, but Titanic had blue people too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 909168

CanadianGuy
User ID: 729560

Canada
10/27/2009 10:26 AM

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ICE.... Surely you can provide a few details that are not too revealing.. What is approximate power output ? What is approximate size? What is approximate cost? Thanks!

Ice

User ID: 729060

United States
10/27/2009 9:39 PM

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ICE....

Surely you can provide a few details that are not too revealing..

What is approximate power output ?
What is approximate size?
What is approximate cost?

Thanks!

Quoting: CanadianGuy

I have not gone to Texas !

I have not seen the unit!

I am waiting on updates and will post info as I get it!

could be wonderful

could be a joke

I'm about 60/40 on this

Tomorrow is a hope not a promise!

Ice

User ID: 729060

United States
11/22/2009 6:47 PM

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I got a update from these guys! they really are going to do this! Tomorrow is a hope not a promise!

Ice

User ID: 729060

United States
11/22/2009 6:56 PM

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[link to www.newalternativeelectricalpower.com] Tomorrow is a hope not a promise!

Ganid
User ID: 801353

Canada
11/22/2009 6:59 PM

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This website had a unit that was supposed to be available soon and it would heat or cool your 1500 sq ft house using only 300 watts of power.

[link to www.hvac4pennies.com]

There were many testimonies from people who experienced its effectiveness in test facilities in convenience stores in the Oregon area. And yet, the promoter was somehow vilified and the project disappeared overnight. In the menu on the left side of the page, the second item from bottom is a scientific analysis of the working system that allows this technology to work - in pdf format.

Last Edited by Ganid on 11/22/2009 at 7:00 PM

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 824674

United Kingdom
11/22/2009 7:13 PM

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Quoting: Ganid

'Soon' is always a pretty good indicator of bullshit.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 824674

United Kingdom
11/22/2009 7:14 PM

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[link to www.newalternativeelectricalpower.com] Quoting: Ice Snake oil.

Ice

User ID: 729060

United States
11/22/2009 7:18 PM

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[link to www.newalternativeelectricalpower.com] Snake oil. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 824674 snake oil guys are looking for front end cash! not these guys! ice Tomorrow is a hope not a promise!

Kirk
User ID: 814465

United States
2/10/2010 10:55 AM

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[link to www.newalternativeelectricalpower.com] Snake oil. snake oil guys are looking for front end cash! not these guys! ice Quoting: Ice see the big button labeled Agent? you pay up front for that. Snake shit. pride of lions...gaggle of geese...a murder of crows...and my favorite....A CONGRESS of baboons....

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