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Dead Man Walking User ID: 795057 United States 10/24/2009 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some of their ancestors were popes. They were one of the most powerful families in medieval Italy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 753835Bingo. they have a long history of popes and powerful people in the bloodline. They are also involved in the entertainment industry, as well as many other business adventures. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 776992 United States 10/24/2009 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Orsini family was one of the most celebrated princely families in medieval Italy and renaissance Rome. Members of the Orsini include popes Celestine III (1191–1198), Nicholas III (1277–1280), and Benedict XIII (1724–1730), numerous condottieri and other relevant political and religious figures. According to their family legend, the Orsini are descended from the Julio-Claudian family of ancient Rome. This is fanciful, as well as the alleged connection to the German families of Anhalt, Baden and Bohemian Rosenberg sporting the same name. The Orsini also carried on a political feud with the Colonna family until by Papal Bull it was stopped in 1511; in 1571 the Chiefs of both families married the nieces of Pope Sixtus V. The Orsini were related to the Boboni family existing in Rome in the 11th century. The first members had in fact always doubled surname of Boboni-Orsini. This first known members is one Bobone, in the early 11th century, father of Pietro, in turn father of Giacinto dei Boboni (1110–1198), who in 1191 became pope as Celestine III. One of the first great nepotist popes, he created cardinals two of his nephews and allowed his cousin Giovanni Gaetano (Giangaetano, died 1232) to buy the fiefs of Vicovaro, Licenza, Roccagiovine and Nettuno, who formed the nucleus of the future territorial power of the family. The Boboni surname went lost with his children, who were called de domo filiorum Ursi. Two of them, Napoleone and Matteo Rosso the Great (1178–1246) increased considerably the prestige of the family. The former was the founder of the first southern line, who disappeared with Camillo Pardo in 1553. He obtained the city of Manoppello, later a countship, and was Papal gonfaloniere. Matteo Rosso, called the Great, was the effective lord of Rome from 1241, when he defeated the Imperial troops to 1243, holding the title of Senator. Two of his sons and Napoleone were also Senators. Matteo ousted the traditional rivals, the Colonna, from Rome and extended the Orsini territories southwards up to Avellino and northwards to Pitigliano. During his life the family entered firmly in the Guelph party. He had some ten sons, which divided the fiefs after his deaths: Gentile (died 1246) originated the Pitigliano line and the second southern line, Rinaldo that of Monterotondo, Napoleone (died 1267) that of Bracciano and another Matteo Rosso that of Montegiordano, from the name of the district in Rome housing the family's fortress. The most distinguished of his sons was however Giovanni Gaetano (died 1280): elected pope as Nicholas III, he named the nephew Bertoldo (died 1289) as count of Romagna and had two nephews and a brother created cardinals. [edit] The second southern line more: [link to en.wikipedia.org] . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 776992 United States 10/24/2009 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jewish Genealogy in Italy Pitigliano - The little Jerusalem Pitigliano, at the southernmost border of Tuscany, is geographically closer to Rome than to Florence. Ruled until 1608 by the Counts Orsini, it was the first safe, welcoming stop for Jews who were fleeing the Papal States following after the decree of 1555, decree that forced the Jews of the Papal States into the ghettos in Rome and Ancona. It also became a destination for Tuscan Jews when the ghettos were established in Florence and Siena around 1570. This country town was for some years a "land of refuge" where Jews could live in peace. A peace that carne to an end in 1608, when the Orsini family ceded Pitigliano the to Medici family in exchange for Monte San Savino. more: //www.italian-family-history.com/jewish/Pitigliano.html .......... Ideally, the selected location should allow close connections with economically important cities (Milano, Torino, Genova, Roma) and close to the region of Tuscany and its major cities. This is quite relevant for the following reasons: (a) the existence at the Universities of Pisa and Firenze of History Departments with great expertise in the history of Mediterranean Jewry (Professors Michele Luzzati, Bruno Di Porto, Dora Liscia Bemporad and Lucia Frattarelli-Fischer among others); and (b) the Medici Archive Project located in Firenze, with a section dedicated to the history of the jewish population under Medicean rule ( [link to www.medici.org] ................ Italian Jewry, especially those that settled in the coastal city of Livorno, has frequently intermarried with Jewish populations of other mediterranean countries for reasons of trade or to escape persecutions. Databases of Tunisian Jewry, whose descendants are nowadays in France, Canada, the US, or Israel, will contain a sizeable number of families originally from Italy. The same would apply to Jewish populations from Lybia, Egypt, Turkey, Greece, Syria, Iraq, etc. Of great interest would be the opportunity to study the incidence in these populations of recently discovered cancer genes. It is now thought that the mutation arose among Jewish people before they split into Ashkenazi and Sephardic groups. At least one study, from the British Journal of Cancer www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v79/n7/abs/6690208a.html) has found the mutation in a Spanish woman of Sephardic descent. These efforts would effectively complement those ongoing in Israel on ethnic groups that settled there coming from Sephardic-Mediterranean countries, like Morocco or Tunisia. Efforts would also be directed at raising the awareness of how these studies are important also in other ethnic groups of Jewish descent, and whose collaboration is usually difficult to obtain. For instance, a networking function of a center located in Italy might act as an ideal geographical and cultural bridge between communities of Iranian Jews, in order to foster efforts to reach these communities in Israel, in Italy (Milano) or in the US (Los Angeles, New York). In these locations, the latter ethnic subgroup has now settled after centuries of isolation in Iranian enclaves like the city of Mashad, at the crossroads of trade routes with the Orient and the Russian Empire. Results of preliminary efforts at studying this community with the tools of modern molecular medicine indicate that it would be ideally suited to explore the relationships between genotype and the environment. This is by analogy to other highly inbred Jewish groups, like those who emigrated to Israel from Kurdistan, that are currently subject to interesting observations on population genetics and molecular medicine. Finally, intra-European collaborations might be established with the Center for Genetic Anthropology of University College in London (TCGA), where Professor Vivian Moses is the organiser of the Eastern European Jewish ancestors project (//www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/), and with the private company deCODE Genetics of Iceland, where Kari Stefansson is studying the Icelandic population (//www.decode.is). In the US, many companies are offering DNA testing services, notably Family Tree DNA (//www.familytreedna.com). ................. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 776992 United States 10/24/2009 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The origins of the House of the Medici family are to be found buried in the depths of the Tuscan countryside, in other words, in the Mugello, where the castle-villa of Cafaggiolo can be identified as their "cradle". However the first historical traces of the family were in Florence, where Salvestro, the son of Messer Alamanno dei Medici, joined the "common people" in the well-known revolt of the Ciompi (1378), the largest social upheaval in the history of the Florentine Republic. Originally farmers who had moved into the city, the Medici became first merchants and then bankers. The origins of their coat of arms, whose design was changed several times over the years, is not known. It was at first formed by eleven red balls on a golden field (the story that these were medicinal pills was apparently invented at the court of France by people wanting to defame Queen Caterina dei Medici in the 16th century); they became eight balls under Cosimo the Elder, while his son Piero the Gouty reduced them to seven: six were arranged in the shape of a triangle and one was placed in the centre; this was blue and painted with the lilies of France, according to a priviledge received from King Louis XI in exchange for diplomatic services. Lorenzo the Magnificent then reduced them to six, placing the blue ball at the top; Cosimo I, last of all, arranged them in the oval shape that they were to maintain in the future. Giovanni di Bicci (1360-1429, Bicci came from the nickname given to his father Averardo) was the founder of the family fortunes; by the early 15th century he had already accumulated a huge fortune thanks to his warehouses and banking interests as well as to his contract as rent collector for the City Council. Gonfaloniere in 1421, Giovanni became popular for his generosity for he often aided the Republic and the population in difficult times by providing financial help from his own personal fortune, while he was also the first patron of the arts in the family: he helped young Masaccio and paid for the reconstruction of the Basilica of San Lorenzo out of his own pocket (which stood in the area of the city where the Medici lived), entrusting the project to Brunelleschi. Two sons were born of his marriage with Piccarda Bueri: Cosimo (1389-1464) and Lorenzo (1395-1440), both of them called "the Elder", from whom the two branches of the family originate. With varying fortunes, the direct descendants of Cosimo were to be Lords of Florence until 1537: these were Piero the Gouty (1416-1469), who married Lucrezia Tornabuoni, Lorenzo the Magnificent (1449-1492), whose wife was Clarice Orsini, Piero the Unfortunate (1471-1503 though he was more incompetant than unlucky), who was married to Alfonsina Orsini and Lorenzo Duke of Urbino (1492-1519), married to Maddalena de la Tour d'Auvergne of the royal house of Bourbon. The last legitimate descendant of this branch was Caterina (1519-1589), later Queen of France, but Florence instead found itself ruled over by Alessandro the Moor (1510-1537), the first Duke of Florence and bastard son of Giulio dei Medici (1477 c. - 1534), who became Pope Clement VII and who was, in his turn, the bastard son of Giuliano dei Medici (1453-1478), Lorenzo the Magnificent's much loved brother, who was killed in the Pazzi plot. Giovanni, Lorenzo the Magnificent's second son, was to become famous as Pope Leo X (1475-1478): he protected artists and writers at the papal court but also had to deal with Luther's Reformation. Meanwhile the descendants of Lorenzo dei Medici the Elder lived in the shadow of the senior branch and, at times, also took advantage of the disadventures of the more powerful family or did what they could to cause trouble, as was typical among the rebellious elements to be found in most reigning houses. Lorenzo the Elder and Ginevra Cavalcanti produced Pier Francesco, also called the Elder (1430-1476), who married Laudomia Acciaiuoli; he fathered Lorenzo (1463-1503), lord of Piombino, and Giovanni (1467-1498); at this point the cadet branch split up again into two new branches and this was to be of some importance a few decades later. Both brothers left off calling themselves Medici and rebaptized themselves "Popolani" in 1494, right at the time that Piero the Unfortunate was thrown out of Florence, an event that was partly the result of their plotting. [link to www.mega.it] more interesting history is online that shows infiltration of non semitic houses and royal alignments that no longer show their original types. research is a wonderful thing ! not for the mental dullards. ` |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 36905966 United States 03/26/2013 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some of their ancestors were popes. They were one of the most powerful families in medieval Italy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 753835 said to own the catholic church. jesuit pope reports directly to him. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 550600so, does that make him catholic or jewish? They were catholic. They were very powerful they had a castle in Italy that is now a hotel. There are many Orsini's still alive. I am one of them and that's how I know this. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 83864881 Canada 08/06/2022 07:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its called research: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 776992 The Orsini family was one of the most celebrated princely families in medieval Italy and renaissance Rome. Members of the Orsini include popes Celestine III (1191–1198), Nicholas III (1277–1280), and Benedict XIII (1724–1730), numerous condottieri and other relevant political and religious figures. According to their family legend, the Orsini are descended from the Julio-Claudian family of ancient Rome. This is fanciful, as well as the alleged connection to the German families of Anhalt, Baden and Bohemian Rosenberg sporting the same name. The Orsini also carried on a political feud with the Colonna family until by Papal Bull it was stopped in 1511; in 1571 the Chiefs of both families married the nieces of Pope Sixtus V. . Two high powered families feuding with each other. The feud stops with intermarriage. This sounds like the inspiration behind Romeo and Juliet. |
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