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WHY DOES WEED MAKE SOME PEOPLE PARANOID?

 
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because they smoked too much

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because subconsciously you know that you should feel at list that 'together' without it.

It's a very sophisticated cop-out device.

Year ago I would laugh at that explanation.

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Last Edited by Soaring Bear on 11/06/2009 10:11 PM
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the above poster is posting preposterous disinfo - weed causes paranoia like caffeine stimulates, like barbituates tire and like cyanide kills - its exact property of weed that is extremely appearent - it is a super mind state of extreme anxiety where you cant stay inside your body and everything is fucked up and has nothing to do with legalities or psychologies

the above poster is very extremely bizarre with an extreme bizarre post
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the above poster is posting preposterous disinfo
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lol if you listen to bob marley for your life lessons thats the start to your first problem. Everyone who smokes is out of touch with the "real" reality and is only frying their brain more and more and more the echoe goes on. You will go insane and be a paranoid reck eventually.
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A. Weed should be legal for all the economic / liberty reasons in the world. BUt it isn't because the war on drugs is more profitable than regulating/taxing it.

B. I've smoked weed socially 50+ times over the last 25 years, mostly before the age of 18.
Then, & now - I still get paranoid. Not so much today - but enough to remind me why I'm in no hurry to do it again.

C. Most pot heads have a Glaze over their eyes. The story about losing brain cells certainly fits the bill for these guys. Although, perhaps they're low IQ guys in the first place.
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i used to smmoke all the time in college. then something happened and i had to drop out now i cant smoke without feeling all cold and spacey not in my own body. i havent tried it yet because i have low will power but i think if i go on a 30 day fast or change to eating veggies only for a while the bad vibes will go away and ill be able to toke up normally.
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I am in every sense a complete hippy, though I just can't take weed myself anymore, it's not very pleasurable experience for me at all.

You take what you like to get you through the day, I prefer a good beer.

You'd think weed smokers would be open minded enough to understand but they just don't get it. peace
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People get paranoid because they know that deep down inside they are poisioning their soul. Marijuana has a psychic effect on you that few other drugs do. It is emotionally dangerous and opens your mind up to evil spirits. In order to jump on the high, you have to surrender your mind to it. Surrendering your mind is what makes you freak out. You are not supposed to surrender your mind to anything but Jesus Christ. Call me what you want, but you all know this is the truth. I've been down these roads...
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Because it affects the dopamine receptors the same way schizophrenia does.
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i think it has to do with 2012 and our souls fading or something.
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it makes you think everyones out to get you and you loose you mind.........MUAH MUH MUH MUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Take Dilantin while smoking...Control the high.Not the high control you.
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 Quoting: Rraider

Is there anyone out there that would be interested in knowing of a legal prescription drug that would GREATLY improve the quality of getting high on POT (and I believe LSD)? This isn't a rhetorical question by the way, I've discovered something that I think hasn't been tried before, and I'm sure that you haven't heard of it used for this purpose. (The name of the drug follows, so keep reading).

What if I told you that this substance will COMPLETELY eliminate any paranoia and unfounded fears? That you can get stoned out of your gourd and be so confident that you can go to work or class. That your mind automatically adjusts to the situation around you and reduces the high temporarily if you get in a real stressful situation. That you can lay in bed and meditate on the subject of YOUR desires without having your brain go wondering off on some paranoid tangent, like did I forget to lock the door and turn off the stove (when you know damn well you did). All of those little annoying things that you've wished weren't a part of getting high are now GONE! The high it self also seems so much more natural as if it is coming from you and not the herb. The improvement really goes beyond words and was very much a surprise when I first discovered it. Even now 3 months after I first stumbled across this I am amazed at how much better it is everytime I get high! It DOES NOT impair your abilities in any way and does not block out "NORMAL" fears and concerns. The drug when used by its self is used by thousands of people everyday, including school teachers, bus drivers, even policeman.

Ok, you're thinking that this is just the rantings of some stoned dude you've never even heard of before. Right? Well I really hope a number of you listen to me because I have stumbled across something BIG and I want to share it with everyone (anonymously!). I think this is something that is so great and so important that I want the word to get out so that everyone can enjoy what I have discovered. (Ok, I know it sounds like I'm ranting but believe me its worth it). I'm not even asking you to take my word for it, I've found scientific studies published in MAJOR medical journals to back this up. Some of the studies directly involve marijuana (and LSD), most are more related to brain function, usage in controlling fear, improvements in brain energy usage, oxygen usage, etc. I have found major research that points to many many areas where this compound has a beneficial effect on the brain in general. I've actually done a lot of research in the past 3 months on this substance because I wanted to make sure first that it was safe, and second because I couldn't believe that this would have gone unnoticed for this long (decades folks).

Ok, enough of a tease. What is called? Dilantin is the most common brand name, the generic name is Phenytoin. Its FDA approved use is to control convulsions (epilepsy, wow heavy stuff you're thinking). Dilantin is a prescription drug that is NOT on the controlled substance list. It isn't a stimulant, amphetamine, or a barbiturate. It is essentially non-toxic and nearly impossible to overdose on (Physicians guide doesn't even list a true overdose state, it simply says to see the Possible Side Effects section. Very rare, see what it says about Aspirin for "Overdosage"!). Dilantin (DPH for short) will not leave you drowsy or disoriented, in fact it usually makes you much more alert and cognitive. Because it is not a controlled substance it can be Legally brought in to this country from abroad (uhh, Mexico for instance) with out any difficulties or a doctors prescription (you need to tell the customs guy that it was used in treatment by a foreign doctor. Read "How to buy Almost Any Drug Legally Without A Prescription" by: James H. Johnson). Also your family physician has the legal right to prescribe this drug for what ever condition he/she may wish (See FDA Drug Bulletin dated April 1982 "Use of Approved Drugs for Unlabeled Indications"). The normal use for DPH is probably the only one that most doctors are familiar with even though it is useful for a variety of disorders ranging from Headaches to Antidepressant to every day Stress. It is regularly prescribed to infants for seizure control, and is considered a very safe drug. This may not make it sound like a very "Cool" drug, definitely not something your local 'supplier' will know anything about. However I don't think you will have difficulties obtaining DPH from your friendly neighborhood Doctor, though it may take a small white lie or two (disclaimer: which I am not recommending ;-)

QUOTE FROM RESEARCH PATIENT (NOT INVOLVING illicit Drugs):

"Before taking Dilantin I'd been so tired and worn out I just dragged myself around.. Athough Dilantin had a calming effect on me, to my surprise it didn't slow me down. On the contrary my energy returned full force. It was as though the energy that had been wasted in my overactive brain was made available for healthier purposes.... I was neither tranquil nor ecstatic"

Authors note: With pot and Dilantin you may very well feel ecstatic!

I first started taking DPH when I lived overseas to improve cognitive functions. Though I did notice some notable improvements I was taking so many other things at the time (mostly obscure nutrients, read the book "Mind Food and Smart Pills" by Ross Pelton Ph.D) I didn't know it was Phenytoin that was doing something. I thought it was just the combination of everthing I guess. Also I didn't play with it very much or in high enough doses. Where I was I really didn't have access to pot (they could lock you up for 10 years for one joint!) so I didn't notice these effects until I got back. I stocked up on a few things before I left to experiment with later. I didn't even think to try Phenytoin for 6 months after I returned. One night when I was alone I started smoking some pot from a batch I hadn't tried before but from a familiar source. I thought it was going to be the same mediocre stuff I had been smoking and since I was bored I smoked the whole joint. Well it turned out it was much stronger than usual (2-3 hits would have been enough). Well the high was good but I kept getting those weird semi-paranoid thoughts in my head and would get up and check the window evertime I heard voices, would check the phone to make sure it was on-hook in case work called, and checked the door a couple times to make sure it was locked. I also started thinking about my marriage and friends and whether they "really liked" me. Weird things that I knew even at the time were silly. Normally I can 'fight' off these thoughts when stoned, but I guess on this night I was tired and the pot stronger than expected. So I got to thinking about what might bring me down a little (besides the old standby, Sleep). From past experience I knew my vitamin type cognitive substances didn't do to much, and when they did help they had to be taken 'before' I got high not after. So I came across a bottle of Dilantin that was gathering dust and thought I would give it a try. At the time I wasn't really thinking about all the research I had read on it, my only thought was "well its prescription and it can't hurt, so why not". I dropped two (100mg/each) and within 20 minutes I was on top of the world! All of a sudden not only were the small weird paranoid thoughts gone but suddenly I was VERY relaxed and felt great! I was in charge of mind, and my mind was 'turned on' like never before! I knew then and there I had stumbled on to something great. My confidence was even higher than before I got stoned, my mind was running at full speed and I felt I was at least 5 times more intelligent than normal. I honestly believe even now, when not stoned, that that is true. Normally I don't think I get very paranoid when stoned. But now that I take Dilantin I realize that I had actually been using a lot of psychic (brain) energy to keep from thinking along those channels, I was usually successful but at a cost. Now this isn't even a consideration. IF my mind starts to get a little paranoid it doesn't last more than a couple minutes and it is VERY mild (and I think is based more on normal concerns, like that cop behind my car with the red lights on

After further experiments I've confirmed that this wasn't a one time deal. Now every time I get stoned I take 2 or 3 100mg Caps of Dilantin first (about 45 minutes prior if I can). I believe that both the pot and Dilantin work along similar lines. The Dilantin relaxes the fear and anxiety, and the pot relaxes everything else. If you ever read books on true meditation you know the primary goal is to totally relax, forget all fears, concerns, and problems; not to let any outside concerns enter the mind. After that it is to relax the body, relax every muscle in the body being sure not to miss a one. The combination of Dilantin and Pot does just that, along with the added abilities of THC to liven things up you have a combination that is very hard to beat. (I once read a book by a Swami that took LSD in his golden years and reported that it was 'great', it allowed him to 'reach the same places' he did through meditation but without the 'work' of meditation. He referred to it as a great 'short cut'.) I find that this over-relaxed (but paradoxically, over-active) mind seems to be in a hyperactive meditative state, its like nothing I have experienced before. Everytime I get stoned I'll start "problem solving". Not just menial little things, I will get insights in to areas I really have little training. Later I would go to the library and research the subject and find that though I hadn't discovered anything new I had been able to deduce things from very little knowledge. Many of these related to Dilantin or other medical research I had been reading recently. Sounds weird but I really do believe that my cognitive abilities are higher on this combo. Its as if the pot and its ability to improve sensory input is now put to use in a more intelligent way. My work involves a lot of troubleshooting and now I solve the problems much quicker than normal. Those around me have even commented on the speed and logic they've noticed while I work. In the past I always avoided getting high before going to work and would wait until I was on my way home or something (I spend a lot of time on road, often 2-3 hours one way). Now I would rather be a little high at work, my work sure isn't suffering from it thats for sure. Just last week I figured I had better find some way of replenishing my Dilantin supplies so I went to visit a Doctor (for the first time in 8 years!). Now remembering I am not epileptic: I had to put on quite a song and dance to get the 'script. Well I went in there STONED solid and on Dilantin, not only did I get a 6 month prescription (600 100mg caps) I ended up spending a FULL two hours (for only $35!) discussing cognitive, muscle building, and healthful nutrients with him. Before I left he had made copies of about 7 pages worth of vitamin research papers I happened to have in my brief case for his own personal use, and was giving me copies of items he had been researching recently. Even though the Dilantin prescription written for me was not for cognitive use the discussion turned to its use in that area and he is going to try taking it for that use himself! He is also going to order the Chromium supplements (for no exercise muscle building), Choline, DMAE, and B5 (for Cognitive use) that we discussed. He learned more that day from me then I did from him. It was great. Just glad he didn't examine my eyes while I was there, plum forgot to bring the drops (Funny side note: I had played rather dumb on the subject of Dilantin it self, only relating things I had noticed about it personally. He seemed to *want* to fill me in on all the other things Dilantin is reputed to do and dug out his copy of the book "A Remarkable Medicine Has Been Overlooked". At that point I almost broke out in laughter. Not only did I own a copy of the book and had read it cover to cover, but I had it in my briefcase! The large hardback edition no less, the one with all the research studies that his older copy lacked. I spent the rest of the session trying to find things in my briefcase that came up in conversation without him seeing the book! I thoroughly enjoyed myself

BEFORE:

"I think constantly. I try to stop but I can't...I sort of keep thinking of different things all at the same time...I tend to think of other things at the same time I'm reading...I have a hard time remembering what I read."

AFTER:

"Well it seems like all of a sudden I'm coming back to life...I can understand things better and concentrate on things. I don't have that continuous thinking. ... my mind isn't running all over the place."

Quote from prison inmate participating in a study of this drug. This study did not involve the use of illicit drugs.

You thought this article was about improving the quality of getting high? Well it is. So whats this quote about a confused prison inmate doing here? Let me tell you. Some aspects of getting high correlate very closely to mental conditions that can occur in the brain. Let me quote my Psyc 101 notes from years ago on getting high:

The "act of the central processing areas of the brain that 'try to make sense' out of sensory messages and by speeding up activity in some brain centers and by inhibiting activity in other areas. They make you perceive the world differently" "...symptoms are associated with Schizophrenia".

So it doesn't surprise me any that a drug that effects people in a mentally positive way when they are not high could have an even more positive effect when they are high. But I want to make it perfectly clear that this is NOT a drug that is being used to treat a mental condition or mental patients (even though it is thought that it could help many people).

Phenytoin, or the more common brand name Dilantin has been used to treat epilepsy since 1938 and to this day that is the only FDA approved usage for it. (BTW: Epileptics are VERY normal people in every other aspects of their life. Many famous and intelligent people have been epileptics, and epileptics today serve in every job sector imaginable. But no I am not epileptic.). I first became aware of this drug from reading about it in heath book on life extension (one of my many hobbies, kind of a life long research project. I'm 31 BTW). What I read at the time wasn't really very interesting but it did catch my attention. When I later came across a whole book just on Dilantin (DPH) with a name of "A Remarkable Medicine Has Been Overlooked" my curiosity was peaked and I bought it. At the time I was living in a country where most prescription drugs are sold over the counter so if I wanted to experiment I could. At that time I started experimenting with the cognitive aspects of the drug.

Well this book turned out to be much better than I could have hoped for and I read it cover to cover. It is published by the nonprofit "Dreyfus Medical Foundation", a foundation that was begun with the sole purpose of investigating Dilantin and communicating their findings to doctors. Their reason for doing this was simple, their founder is Jack Dreyfus (of the Dreyfus Mutual Fund). He suffered from an over-busy mind, excessive fear and anger, leading to depression. Psychological counseling wasn't helping him, nor were other medications. His discovery of Dilantin was also accidental.

This book is VERY detailed in delivering the medical and scientific research behind the many new found uses for Dilantin. It also contains over a 130 pages of Mr. Dreyfus' personal experiences with Dilantin and his efforts to bring it to the attention of the FDA and the medical community. It contains over 2100 references to medical journals and studies, with excerpts from many of them. I suggest that if anyone is interested in how Dilantin or the mind functions that they read this book, it is one of the best I've seen on the subject (through studying the researchers materials). Here are a few more excerpts that may be of interest:

Annals of Internal Medicine: "DPH (Dilantin) alleviated anxiety, nervous tension and irritability. In addition, the ability to concentrate and to work increased and the patients exhibited a general feeling off well-being"

Diseases of the Nervous System: "They observed that in several striking instances individuals who had been dull, fearful and disinterested, emerged bright, confident and capable"

Dreyfus: "The author observed that multiple simultaneous thoughts as well as obsessive and preoccupied thinking were relieved by DPH. Also coincident with the relief was marked improvement in fear and the related conditions of worry, pessimism, anxiety, apprehensiveness and depression."

Portsmouth Journal of Psychology: "found DPH effective in the improvement of concentration. This was demonstrated in a performance test designed to simulate air traffic control conditions." "This test was done with placebo, on a double-blind basis..." " Although performance was markedly improved, NO INDIVIDUAL FELT A DRUG EFFECT OF ANY SORT"

Psychopharmacologia: "The patients' (suffering from fear & anxiety attacks) feelings of tranquility, composure, relaxation, optimism and cheerfulness also showed statistically significant improvement with DPH. No undesirable side effects were encountered."

From summary: DPH preserves ATP (cellular energy), glucose... Protects against oxygen lack. DPH has a regulatory effect on norepinephrine, acetylcholine (neurotransmitters), GABA, insulin, and blood sugar; and increases cerebral blood flow. DPH has a calming effect on the overactive brain. Symptoms of this condition are preoccupation, multiple thinking. DPH reduces this uncontrolled activity enabling more normal thinking processes to be restored...without sedation. Emotional states related to fear for which DPH is therapeutic are worry, anxiety, guilt, pessimism and depression. Although these excessive anger and fear states are decreased or eliminated by DPH, realistic reactions of anger and fear are not interfered with."

Drugs and Cerebral Function: DPH was found to be significantly effective in delaying the onset of fatigue and accompanying errors. The author notes that although many substances have been used to improve concentration over the past pentade, these substances are usually stimulants. Although DPH improved concentration significantly, it produced none of the effects of a stimulant.

Revue de Medicine Aeronautique ...: "Significantly improved the performance of three separate groups of pilots in simulated flying and radar target-fixing tasks..." The study involved 22 commercial pilots, eighteen military pilots and nineteen private pilots. also... ".. DPH can improve performance on IQ tests."

Journal of the American Gereatrics Society: "DPH not only assists concentration when impairment in cognitive function is caused by irrelevant ruminative preoccupation (mind wonder), but that it also improves concentration when efficiency is impaired by fatigue" "...were studied in a double-blind cross-over test with placebo control. This cross-over design was used to eliminate possible practice effects on performance.... With DPH significant improvement in scores occurred in information, comprehension, digit symbol and full scale IQ. The authors conclude that ... effectiveness of DPH in improving generalized mental functions."

Under topic "LSD Flashbacks": ...DPH "terminated the flashback while in progress" ...in another case "within forty-eight hours marked improvement was noted." Yet another "Within forty-eight hours she noted a very marked reduction in all types of flashbacks,..."

Another chapter summary:

"DPH preserves energy compounds... Additional studies demonstrate that DPH has anti-anoxic properties" (reduces oxygen deficiencies in the brain). Regulatory effects on ....vasopressin secretion (vasopressin is a brain hormone that is involved with memory, learning and recall).

** "protective properties of DPH could have broad applicability when neurons are more sensitive than normal"

Short notes:

"DPH has a protective effect against oxygen deprivation." "DPH prolonged respiratory activity." "DPH increases glycogen in rat brain" (a brain 'food') "DPH increases the concentrations of brain energy compounds measured, i.e., phosphocreatine, serum and brain glucose and glycogen" "a single dose of DPH increased the concentration of brain glycogen ...by 7% at 30 minutes and by 11% at 120 minutes." "brain glucose levels were increased in mice who received DPH" "DPH increased the release of acetylcholine from parasympathetic nerve endings" (acetylcholine - "primary neurotransmitter involved with memory. The chemical messenger responsible for communications between brain cells" - Ross Pelton, Ph.D.) "DPH increased the concentration of norepinephrine in the hypothalamus, cerebellum and brain stem" "DPH enhances the conversion of glutamic acid to glutamine and GABA in brain." "Successful treatment with DPH of five patients with hypoglycemia" (low blood sugar) ..."The response of insulin to oral glucose was reduced in different individuals by 11 to 44%" (Low blood sugar has a very negative effect on the mind.) DPH has antitoxic effects against many substances (dozens listed, including cyanide, DDT, and strychnine) "found DPH effective to a significant degree in improving concentration in twelve college students" "in a double-blind study, found that DPH improved cognitive performance to a significant level in twenty volunteer hospital employees."

Under "Thought, Mood and Behavior" *** * "The usefulness of DPH has been reported in the treatment of * * frightening visual and auditory hallucinations, persecutory * * delusions...in the treatment of drug-induced phychosis including * *** cocaine, LSD, hashish and mescaline" ***

Well by this time you must be about 'researched out'. If you want more read the Dreyfus book.

One thing to keep in mind anytime you get stoned, on or off Dilantin, is to make sure you aren't tired, either physically or mentally. Dilantin only gets rid of irrational stress/paranoia and boosts the cognitive abilities of the mind. It can't completely compensate for any lack of 'brain food' or lack of sleep. I had to find this out the hard way too. I went almost two days with about 5 hours sleep total and was very tired. I figured what the heck Dilantin would fix things. Not so. Even though I wasn't paranoid when I got high I did become even more tired and very sleepy, I also got rather dizzy. But true to form Dilantin did its part, no one knew the differnce including my work site, and I wasn't fearful they would know anything was wrong anyway. The only thing that bothered me was the dizziness and I noticed I really didn't get any effects from the THC, no special insights or added cognitive abilities. A THC or LSD high needs lots of brain 'food' to work with, this includes the 'sugars' (blood sugar really has little to do with sugar intake btw) and nutrients such as Choline, DMAE, vitamin B5, etc. If you think you are hypoglycemic be even more careful about getting high (a very low carbohydrate diet should help. Read all of Dr. Atkins books on that). If you got drunk the night before then forget about getting high, your body has enough to do repairing that damage. If you have lots of stress in your life you're going to have to learn how to handle that first. Dilantin does little for 'rational fears' or normal stress, you'll have to fight those battles your self. If you are taking any other drugs (such as crack, amphetamines or barbiturates) than forget about all this, this is for marijuana, hashish, and psychedelics connoisseurs ONLY! Any other drug may very well introduce aspects to the high that completely negates both the contributions from Dilantin and marijuana! I personally am very much against "drug abuse", with the key word being abuse. (But this DOES NOT condone our current drug war hysteria!) I highly recommend taking vitamins and 'brain food' for maximum effects especially if you get high often. I swear by Choline (2-6 grams/day), DMAE (500-1000mg per day) , vitamin B5 (calcium pantothenate) (500-1000mg/day, and L-Glutamine (an amino acid used by the brain much like glucose) (500-2500mg/day) (Lower number is normal/higher number is the maximum, depending on how I feel I may take up to this amount). Along with a normal mega vitamin supplement program and exercise (my weak point . (See Mind Food and Smart Pills, Life Extension, etc., etc., etc.)

** I find it interesting that marijuana (read Oct 91 High Times), Choline, DMAE, and B5 are all either being studied as either benefiting epileptics or as having possible adverse effects for epileptics. Sometimes both!?!? And of course DPH is the primary treatment for epileptics. **). (BTW: Epilepsy basically results from problems with the two sides of the brain communicating with one another.) So don't give up the rest of your health regime and be sure if you are going to try this that you do so only when you already feel good and are not in the least bit tired or under heavy stress.

I've had a few people ask me where they can obtain Dilantin (other names include: DPH, Phenytoin, Diphenylan). So I'll try to be of a little help.

Dilantin is a prescription drug so no it isn't available at your local health food store. You may be able to talk your doctor in to writing you a prescription for one a ligit' use such as epilepsy, hypoglycemia, stuttering, LSD Flashbacks, Cardiac Arrhythmia, or Withdrawl Symptoms. I suggest if you want to get it through your doctor and you don't want to lie to him/her that you order the book "A Remarkable Medicine Has Been Overlooked" by Jack Dreyfus (of the Dreyfus Foundation). I ordered my book from the Life Extension Foundation about 2 years ago (you can call them at 1-800-841-5433) it was the latest hard cover edition (cheaper ones elsewhere do not contain all of the research data that the hard cover edition has). Once you have the book pick an appropriate symptom and take the book with highlighted references down to the doctors office. You may very well come out with the prescription you wanted. Just be sure you make clear the dosage you want to take, I take 200-500mg/day. At this dosage I'm afraid he will probably want to take blood tests every couple months to make sure you aren't reaching "toxic levels". Try to talk him out of doing more than one such useless test if you can. Dilantin is not known to be toxic but Doctors have to make their pool payments some how. Perhaps the best way to find a good open minded Doctor in your area is to call the Life Extension Foundation, above, and get a referal to a "Life Extension Doctor" in your area. Dilantin is usually well known to these Doctors and I would think that most of them would be very willing to prescribe it (very safe and not DEA controlled).

One of the easiest ways I would think to get Dilantin is to order it from overseas. Thats right you can order most prescription drugs through the mail legally! (See my text file DPH1.TXT or .ZIP). Again Life Extension Foundation can help with mail order companies. Here are a few more prescription drug companies that will send your orders via the U.S. mails. Please check these your self some may have gone out of business.

Interlab, BCM BOX 5890, London WC1N 3XX, England World Pharmaceuticals Inc., P.O. Box 638, Rosarito Beach, B.C. Mexico

I've heard you should include the following statement, signed, with your order:

"I hereby declare that the products I am purchasing are not for commercial resale. They are for my own personal use only. The supply ordered does not exceed three months usage and they are used with the consent of my physician."

If you happen to go to Mexico, Europe, British Virgin Islands, Japan, Korea, Philippines, Germany, etc., simply walk in to the nearest pharmacy and purchase them! No prescription needed (if asked for one don't get worried it isn't necessary, some places give kick backs to Doctors who refer customers and this is how they keep track .

You can also call your local Gay activist agency (or AIDS health agency). With the Aids crisis people with aids are ordering almost everything under the sun from overseas hoping for a miracle. They are well connected with mail order companies for prescription (and experimental) drugs from around the world.

Remember the main reason you would want to take it is how much better the effects of getting high are when you're using Dilantin. Its like you are in FULL control of the high. You can tell it to go away, soar to new hights, increase auditory sensations (I know my hearing is better high, and I'm fairly certain my vision improves as well). I would really like to hear from anyone who takes Dilantin and Acid together! Imagine if you remained in TOTAL control of all aspects of an LSD trip! It would save you a bundle on vacations!!!! Simply will your mind to go and do what ever you tell it. There have been medical studies of Dilantin and LSD and they sure seem to indicate that this may be what is going on. This would make "bad trips" a thing of the past. My mind is racing with the possibilities may have to try this myself
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My mind is racing with the possibilities may have to try this myself
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Just the fact that you crop/paste all that garbage should question your reasons to get high in the first place.

High people used to be funny.:monkdey9: or at list they thought they where.

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Now, if you are looking for a funny write on the subject, here is one, by Times, written way ahead of time, on November 16, 2009,

Let's Bail Out the Pot Dealers!
By Joel Stein Monday, Nov. 16, 2009


Some dude outside my supermarket just asked me to sign a petition to legalize marijuana. Apparently he was so high that he forgot he's in California, where pot is already more legal than budget-balancing. Last year I was granted a medical-marijuana license, even though I'm healthy and I don't smoke weed. I went to a doctor's office that consisted of a desk, a TV, two cans of air freshener and a man wearing a Hawaiian T-shirt. I told Dr. Magnum P.I. about my constant anxiety, insomnia and headaches — two more conditions than any previous patient had bothered to mention. He freaked out and gave me a pot license for only six months until I saw a psychologist. My lovely wife Cassandra, however, got a full year's prescription by claiming she was afflicted with a condition called "menstruation." Looking back, I'm pretty sure I could have used that too.

There are more medical-marijuana dispensaries in L.A. than Starbucks. Most are like nice tea shops, where salespeople behind a counter open glass jars so you can smell the Sugar Kush, look at the Purple Urkel under a magnifying lens and ask about the effects of Hindu Skunk. At the Farmacy, I spun a wheel to determine my first-time-buyer gift and was handed a pot lollipop. If the pot-dispensary people ran General Motors, the recession would be over. Although GM cars would be engineered to just stare idly at the road for hours. Which is more than they're good for now. (See TIME's photo-essay "The Great American Pot Smoke-Out.")

The vast majority of that Sugar Kush is still in our house, mostly because Cassandra found an even more effective solution to menstruation called pregnancy. But also because shopping for pot in California is more fun than using it. So when Attorney General Eric Holder declared that the Federal Government would quit busting dispensaries, removing even the hint of consequences for medical-marijuana use, my heart ached for small-time American pot dealers. They can't compete on price, selection, customer service, quality control or not-getting-arrestedness, and they have no skills that translate into another industry. They're almost as bad off as journalists. (Watch TIME's video about taxing marijuana in California.)

Of all the potheads I know — did I mention I live in Los Angeles? — only one still uses a dealer. He hasn't made the logical switch from purchasing illegal drugs to committing medical fraud partly because he doesn't want his name on a dispensary list for professional reasons, partly out of loyalty to his dealer and partly because to motivate a stoner, the invisible hand of capitalism first has to endure a long, boring conversation about how cool it would be to have an invisible hand.

But competition, it turns out, improves capitalism, even among the members of society least capable of doing math. "The dispensaries have really made my drug dealer step up," my friend told me. Not only is the dealer now charging $100 for a quarter ounce, compared with the $120 he'd charged for decades, but he has also started offering home delivery instead of shady parking-lot meetings. "He got more reliable. He used to be, 'Yeah, I can't do it today. Maybe tomorrow.' Sometimes you'd page him, and he'd never call you back. Now I'm like, 'I'm going to be at my house at 4 p.m.,' and he's like, 'I'll be there.'" (Watch a video about medical marijuana home delivery.)

Still, the dime baggers don't stand a chance. So it is the Federal Government's responsibility to help with some sort of bailout. They need seed money. They need a WPA's worth of pastry chefs to make pot brownies. They need Snoop Dogg to pass on his genes to even more children. They need to get the 3-D version of Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs on DVD right away.

The drug warriors were right that medical marijuana would lead to pro forma legalization. But they were wrong about every other consequence, like the coming wave of donations from pot dealers to the next presidential candidate willing to criminalize medical marijuana. Also, legitimizing pot hasn't created more users; it has just produced more annoying ones, who now apply Whole Foods — ian levels of snobbiness to the differences between Hawaiian Sativa and Humboldt Indica.

As always, federal decisions have lots of unintended consequences, and many of them are good. As dispensaries wipe out pot dealers, teen drug use will fall dramatically. Instead of buying pot from a dealer, teenagers will have to struggle with the same imperfect methods they use to get alcohol: begging older siblings, stealing from their parents and waiting outside a dispensary until they find a guy creepy enough to accept a $20 bribe.

The bad part is that without any business to do, the last remaining pot dealers will now have absolutely no reason to stop talking and leave your apartment.

Read more: [link to www.time.com]

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Told you, it's funny shit.

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if you falsely believe that you are not God,
then you live exclusively in the world of effects,
which is precisely the source of every problem on Earth,
this illusion of separation,
but if you know yourself to be God, then you live in the world of causes,
and God expresses only perfection.~friend, Jason D.
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lol that articles funny. methinks ill be making the pilgrmage to california soon enough.
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Some people mellow out - others laugh hysterically and find everything funny as hell


Others - like myself can't enjoy weed - had a bad experience YEARS ago that made me NICK out! Have not touched it since. Sad part is, I used to love it but now there is NO WAY I could even think of smokin' that stuff...

Why does it make you paranoid?
 Quoting: SE-R Chick


Because when your awareness rises, you become aware of others or more things, it can feel like you are being watched, its just your new awareness, seeing out of new eyes.

Its like being used to walking then all of a sudden you find yourself looking at things from the clouds, or a higher view. Can feel uncomfortable until one gets used to it, its kinda like peaple who get air sick on planes.

Ive found just being aware of this possible explanation, has helped dramaticly in overcoming the fear of flying.
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Some people mellow out - others laugh hysterically and find everything funny as hell


Others - like myself can't enjoy weed - had a bad experience YEARS ago that made me NICK out! Have not touched it since. Sad part is, I used to love it but now there is NO WAY I could even think of smokin' that stuff...

Why does it make you paranoid?
 Quoting: SE-R Chick

you start to realize/see the system for what it is.

a mind fuk/brainwash machine with lots of servant bots running around brainless.

how can you have fun then?
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Some people mellow out - others laugh hysterically and find everything funny as hell


Others - like myself can't enjoy weed - had a bad experience YEARS ago that made me NICK out! Have not touched it since. Sad part is, I used to love it but now there is NO WAY I could even think of smokin' that stuff...

Why does it make you paranoid?

you start to realize/see the system for what it is.

a mind fuk/brainwash machine with lots of servant bots running around brainless.

how can you have fun then?
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You dont like traveling?
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Some people mellow out - others laugh hysterically and find everything funny as hell


Others - like myself can't enjoy weed - had a bad experience YEARS ago that made me NICK out! Have not touched it since. Sad part is, I used to love it but now there is NO WAY I could even think of smokin' that stuff...

Why does it make you paranoid?

you start to realize/see the system for what it is.

a mind fuk/brainwash machine with lots of servant bots running around brainless.

how can you have fun then?


You dont like traveling?
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you know nothing. so stfu.
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Some people mellow out - others laugh hysterically and find everything funny as hell


Others - like myself can't enjoy weed - had a bad experience YEARS ago that made me NICK out! Have not touched it since. Sad part is, I used to love it but now there is NO WAY I could even think of smokin' that stuff...

Why does it make you paranoid?

you start to realize/see the system for what it is.

a mind fuk/brainwash machine with lots of servant bots running around brainless.

how can you have fun then?


You dont like traveling?

you know nothing. so stfu.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 803970


If I looked at your statement in duality, Your saying, I know everthing, so speak the F$%& Up?

Ok

Love and Light/dark and hate

hf
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I'm 23 and I've been smoking weed on and off since I was 17. Usually on the weekends or whatever, never been a "serious" smoker, perhaps I could be classified as "causal". Anyways...

The last year or so that I've been smoking, I've been getting PARANOID as hell, to the point where I suffer panic attacks. Obviously, I've stopped smoking because it wasn't fun for me.

I smoked last night for the first time in a while and it happened again, minus the panic attack.

I honestly feel like I am in a way, "psychic" - I feel like everyone's conversation around me has this hidden underlying message of subconsciousness.

Here is an example - I am convinced my boyfriend of 7 months is bi-sexual or gay. (I have overwhelming evidence.) While his friend was in the kitchen, he made a comment like, "Oh, now I can eat you out for 30 seconds." (He hates doing it, despite the fact I'm uh.. clean.) He calls my coat a carpet because it's rough and he's like, "You gotta get rid of that carpet." And he starts laughing in a creepy voice. Just little comments that come out and I analyze the fact that those are subconscious messages... IT'S A FREAKIN' TRIP and I love it, at the same time, it freaks me out. Has this happened to anyone else?
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Yes.

I've tried it twice (years ago).

Made me paranoid as hell, and afraid to go to sleep.

If it works for you, then that's fine.

I will never touch it again.

damned
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I'm 23 and I've been smoking weed on and off since I was 17. Usually on the weekends or whatever, never been a "serious" smoker, perhaps I could be classified as "causal". Anyways...

The last year or so that I've been smoking, I've been getting PARANOID as hell, to the point where I suffer panic attacks. Obviously, I've stopped smoking because it wasn't fun for me.

I smoked last night for the first time in a while and it happened again, minus the panic attack.

I honestly feel like I am in a way, "psychic" - I feel like everyone's conversation around me has this hidden underlying message of subconsciousness.

Here is an example - I am convinced my boyfriend of 7 months is bi-sexual or gay. (I have overwhelming evidence.) While his friend was in the kitchen, he made a comment like, "Oh, now I can eat you out for 30 seconds." (He hates doing it, despite the fact I'm uh.. clean.) He calls my coat a carpet because it's rough and he's like, "You gotta get rid of that carpet." And he starts laughing in a creepy voice. Just little comments that come out and I analyze the fact that those are subconscious messages... IT'S A FREAKIN' TRIP and I love it, at the same time, it freaks me out. Has this happened to anyone else?
 Quoting: BrowniBaby
Hell yes, i know what you're talking about, im nothing but 16 and i get the exact same feelings you get. Its like...certain things people say, has a true meaning to it, and you're, it could be a good thing because half the time, what you think is very true, but then when you start thinking to hard some things, but i usually shake it off, and the thought returns sometime later.

This thread is wicked. and for the ones who say paranoia from weed is total bullshit, like the other guy said, are probably stoners and haven't been effected. But these are true effects and people go thru this shit.
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Its me again, had numerous errors in the above post, just read the quote for what im REALLY saying.
I'm 23 and I've been smoking weed on and off since I was 17. Usually on the weekends or whatever, never been a "serious" smoker, perhaps I could be classified as "causal". Anyways...

The last year or so that I've been smoking, I've been getting PARANOID as hell, to the point where I suffer panic attacks. Obviously, I've stopped smoking because it wasn't fun for me.

I smoked last night for the first time in a while and it happened again, minus the panic attack.

I honestly feel like I am in a way, "psychic" - I feel like everyone's conversation around me has this hidden underlying message of subconsciousness.

Here is an example - I am convinced my boyfriend of 7 months is bi-sexual or gay. (I have overwhelming evidence.) While his friend was in the kitchen, he made a comment like, "Oh, now I can eat you out for 30 seconds." (He hates doing it, despite the fact I'm uh.. clean.) He calls my coat a carpet because it's rough and he's like, "You gotta get rid of that carpet." And he starts laughing in a creepy voice. Just little comments that come out and I analyze the fact that those are subconscious messages... IT'S A FREAKIN' TRIP and I love it, at the same time, it freaks me out. Has this happened to anyone else?
Hell yes, i know what you're talking about, im nothing but 16 and i get the exact same feelings you get. Its like...certain things people say, has a true meaning to it, and you're right, it could be a good thing because half the time, what you think is very true, but then you start thinking to hard some things, and freak out about it, but not in such a psychotic way(i stopped smoking weed so if i was still smoking weed i think the feeling would be worse), but i usually shake it off, and try to meditate, meditation is key. Don't meditate for short amounts of times. Just sit and concentrate, destroy the devil inside your head. Process your thoughts and don't let them be jambled up inside you.

This thread is wicked. and for the ones who say paranoia from weed is total bullshit, like the other guy said, are probably stoners and haven't been effected. But these are true effects and people go thru this shit.
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smoke makes me see the evil.

watch bill curtis stoned.

watch manson or hillside strangler docs.

how about a little ted bundy or john gacy.

soak it up. then deny it fools.

explain the evil away.
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why because its illegal, just that. weed it self dont create paranoia.


the above poster is posting preposterous disinfo - weed causes paranoia like caffeine stimulates, like barbituates tire and like cyanide kills - its exact property of weed that is extremely appearent - it is a super mind state of extreme anxiety where you cant stay inside your body and everything is fucked up and has nothing to do with legalities or psychologies

the above poster is very extremely bizarre with an extreme bizarre post


thats what the drug industry wants you to think, paranoia comes from guilt of doing something illegal. do some research instead of quoting media news. also look into why medical cannabis is getting more and more accepted as medication.
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If pot is raising your conscience then feeling paranoid because you are committing an illegal act would be norml.

"If you are not paranoid, you just aren't thinking."
-Robert Anton Wilson
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It does not "make" people paranoid. It brings out natural feelings and thoughts that exist consciously or subconsciously to begin with.
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propoganda
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many recommend you smoke weed and stay away from cigarettes

i think its actually the other way around that is true

i think its good to smoke cigarettes but avoid weed

cigarettes provide pleasure and neuro-protective properties and enhance cognitive function whereas weed is the exact opposite



your kidding right?

smokes dont give anything at all, only bad things comes with it.

weed has been used for a very long time in medicinal and meditative purposes.

smokes kill, none have died from smoking weed only.



You are a victim of disinformation

what i posted is the simple truth

smoking cigarettes enhances cognitive function, smoking weed causes more and more forgetfulness and strange bizarre behavior of the users who get more and more spaced out
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Natural selection in action. Smoke lots of cigarettes. Enhance that cognitive function! Enjoy your slow, painful, expensive death!
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whenever I smoke (which is not often) I find that I understand everything. Most times I realize the secrets of the universe, only to forget them the next day.
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isnt this annoying? it happens to me all the damn time!
happy now?

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