JESUS IS NOT GOD -- Book of Numbers, Chapter 23:[19] GOD is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,

Jesus claimed to be the Son of man, therefore, "is it not written that GOD is not the Son of man?"

Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Praise The Holy Of Holy :: Jesus neither lied nor was the son of man !! Praise The Holy Of Holy :: Amen

Last Edited by wing-ed on 10/26/2009 10:51 AM

Show me the scripture on that one ! lier !!

Exactly, thanks for understanding the GOD isn't the Son of man.


GOD almighty hallelujah! Amen


Agreed, Jesus never said he was God, others did!

I know it hurts you, having believed the lie is what hurts.

Mark 8:[31] And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Matthew 1:23
"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" —which means, "God with us."

QED

Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.

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JESUS claimed to be the SON OF MAN


MARK 14

[61] -- Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

[62] -- And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.


"Is it not written that GOD is not the Son of man?"

Jesus NEVER said he was God.

Jesus said, I come to do the will of my father


It was only the scum zionist fake Jews who claimed Jesus said he was God. The same ones that called him king of the Jews. The same Jews lies caused the death of Jesus.


Jesus will be back soon and " All eyes will see him, even those who piecered him "

This statement alone makes the whore of Babylon, the catholic church, led by the false prophet, RAT nazi Zinger, a joke. They claim there is NO reincarnation. They are calling Jesus a liar. But then again, the catholic church is now controlled by satanic rothchild's masons.

OPie does not understand the notion of incarnation...

OPie is a gnostic.

Philippians 2:11
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Jesus was and is a tool for the Father, THE God, by His free will choice to become the eternal Door through which the Father can commune with finite entities AND us finite entities can commune with the Father.

...and that's where the real sacrifice that Jesus performed is. Jesus is never all the way inside and one with the Father because He is also attached to this density plane for us finites. Can you imagine free will choosing to NEVER be 100% one with the Father just for all us scum bags?

One "foot" in the Fathers infinite domain and the other "foot" in our mostly finite density plane.

The Door through which TWO-WAY communion takes place between the Infinite God and this entire 3D universe and all its contents. You didn't think this happened by some magic did you?

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For those of you who would like to know more about this subject from a biblical point of view. CREATOR OR LIAR?...

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Last Edited by 9teen.47™ on 10/26/2009 11:23 AM

Well, duh.

That poster is still right for Jesus never said it, his Disciples did, so therefore the Apostles were confused and because of that confusion much bloodshed came about for believing this confusion.


BOOK OF ENOCH
Chapter 89

25 -- Then I saw, that the man, who wrote the book at the word of the LORD, opened the book of destruction, of that destruction which the last twelve shepherds wrought; and pointed out before the LORD of the sheep, that they destroyed more than those who preceded them.

Mar 8:29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.
Mar 8:30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.
Mar 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Praise The Holy Of Holy :: Mar 8:30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.Mark was charged to tell no man of Peters claim and you will find Marks words carefully do not make that exact disclosure ! The logical transition from Peters word to Jesus teaching does but Jesus himself does not say he is the Christ ! Thus leaving Faith to make the actual connection ! If you have no faith the claim can look one way and with faith the other !! Praise The Lamb:: Amen If no claim of Christ is made likewise the son of man is left unconnected !

Last Edited by wing-ed on 10/26/2009 11:41 AM

Book of Enoch is not canonized.

You must be a MOOSE LIMB. You FAIL.

Just clearing up the confusion as best as possible. That's all.

Very Good! And you knew it all along that Jesus said he was the Son of man and therefore not GOD, but here are better verses making that claim.


MARK 14

[61] -- Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

[62] -- And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.


"Is it not written that GOD is not the Son of man?"

I sure hope not! For then it would be a part of the Satanic Roman Christian Bible.

You know the Roman Empire (Catholics) complied the New Testament, confusion and all!

lol.

Nice try noob.

If you want to disprove Jesus, it's gonna take a little more than that.

I mean really! What happened here? Did you slip and fall into a Bible and notice this verse? And upon reading it proclaimed: "FINALLY!!! 2000 years of searching and studying by millions upon millions of non believers and ME, ME, who happened to fall over onto a single page, has found the PROOF!!! There ain't no Jesus!"

Please.

Book of Enoch is not canonized.

You must be a MOOSE LIMB. You FAIL.



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The obvious question is why. Enouch believed in reincarnation. This did not line up with what would become the Roman catholic Bible. Therefore, they had no choice but to eliminate Enock's TRUTH.

Isaiah 43:10 (King James Version)

10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.


Cha-ching!

Blah-ow!

I'm NOT disproving Jesus, he existed alright, and continues to exist. But confusion of who he was was written by the Apostles and because of that confusion much bloodshed came in the name of Jesus.

EXACTLY -- Old Testament, never New!!!

GOD is GOD, and not a man born from humans, neither the Son of man.

Actually, your Bible quote proves beyond doubt that Christ is not God, nor even the son of God. The Book of Matthew proves that your much heralded Christ is a total fraud. If you had rad the Bible, you would know that there is no Old Testament prophecy about the virgin birth of Christ!

The alleged prophecy of the virgin birth has been considered by Christianity to be the gem of all prophesies, yet a greater fraud has never been inflicted upon the gullible masses. Here, at last, is the truth.

Here is Matthew's reference to the alleged prophecy (quotes are from the KJV and highlights are my own):

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us” (Matthew 1:21-23, KJV).

Now ALL Christians agree that the alleged Old Testament prophecy of the version birth was recorded in Isiah, Chapter 7, verse 14. Here, for your information and amusement, is the verse in complete context, with the critical verses highlighted:

“And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it. And it was told the house of David, saying, Syria is confederate with Ephraim. And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind.

Then said the LORD unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shearjashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool in the highway of the fuller's field; And say unto him, Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither be fainthearted for the two tails of these smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin with Syria, and of the son of Remaliah. Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have taken evil counsel against thee, saying, Let us go up against Judah, and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set a king in the midst of it, even the son of Tabeal:

Thus saith the Lord GOD, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass. For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people. And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.

Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying, Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above. But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD. And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings” (Isaiah 7:1-16. KJV, emphasis my own).
 
Now, read the above verses carefully, and you will see that it is impossible for the quoted verses to apply in any way to the Christ. It is clear that the “virgin birth” was a sign given to King Ahaz (King of Judah) to assure him that his country would not be ravaged by Rezin (King of Syria) and Pekah (King of Israel). Now, when used in the above quoted passage, a sign means a portentous incident or event; a presage, an indication or warning of a future occurrence (an omen), or more simple put: a present demonstration given to assure a future act. Since the virgin birth was a sign given to King Ahaz, it is fundamental and beyond the possibility of debate that the prophesied birth had to occur during the life of King Ahaz. A sign cannot be given to a dead man.

At this point, I think it is appropriate for me to add: DUH!!!! Or, as they so affectionately say on GLP, WTF???

Now both Biblical and conventional history record that King Ahaz lived and died about 700 years prior to the birth of Christ (you should already know this). Thus the virgin birth prophesied in Isaiah (which was to be a sign given to King Ahaz) occurred seven centuries prior to the birth of Christ. Christians thus must make a choice: either their was no messianic prophecy in Isaiah, or there was such a prophecy, but the messiah – who was of necessity born during the lifetime of King Ahaz – was not the Christ, and Christians have been deifying the wrong dude!

Finally, if by some insane and dishonest manipulation of the English language, a case can be made that the prophecy in Isaiah applied to Jesus, I really must know why the remainder of Isaiah would not also apply, specifically these words which immediately follow the alleged prophecy: “Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.” Can any of you Christians tell me when Jesus, the son of God was unable to know to refuse the evil and choose the good???

The Gem of the all prophesies turns out to be neither a diamond nor even a cubic zirconia. It is cheap glass, easily shattered. The other purported messianic prophesies are of equal or lesser value.

On other threads, Christians have asked, “Why did the Jews kill Christ?” Well, if Christ claimed to be the fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah, he was killed because the Jews thought him to be a blasphemous and delusional impostor. And the Jews would have been right.

Christians should quit lying about this alleged prophecy because anyone who cares and dares to check it out will realize how desperate and intellectually dishonest some Christians are.

Here is what early American patriot Thomas Payne said about Bible prophecies in general, and Isiah 7:14 in particular:

“.In the following treatise I have examined all the passages in the New Testament, quoted from the Old, and so-called prophecies concerning Jesus Christ, and I find no such thing as a prophecy of any such person, and I deny there are any...I have given chapter and verse for everything I have said, and I have not gone outside of the books of the Old and New Testament for evidence that the passages are not prophecies of the person called Jesus Christ” (Thomas Paine, The Life and Works of Pain, vol. 9, p. 206).

“I have now, reader, gone through and examined all the passages which the four books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, quote from the Old Testament and call them prophecies of Jesus Christ. When I first sat down to this examination, I expected to find cause for some censure, but little did I expect to find them so utterly destitute of truth, and all pretensions to is, as I have shown them to be” (Pain, The Theological Works of Thomas Paine, p. 258).

“This passage is in Isaiah 7:14 and the writer of the book of Matthew endeavors to make his readers believe that this passage is a prophecy of the person Jesus Christ. It is no such thing” (ibid, p. 229).

WHEN WILL CHRISTIANS HAVE THE INTEGRITY TO FINALLY PUT THIS LIE TO REST???

Matthew 17:5

While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.



So God said, referring to Jesus,, " This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased;"


Game set and match. Thank you linesmen, thank you ballboys.

Wow, Professor you really broke your head weeding that one out, GOOD JOB!

But Jesus did exist, the calender was changed because of him, the Persecution and Crusades were carried out in his name, and all because the last twelve shepherds were confused in calling him GOD, a God, Son of man -- "Where does it end?" In ends in bloodshed until we get it right, until we are right with GOD

Can any of you Christians tell me when Jesus, the son of God was unable to know to refuse the evil and choose the good???

Up until he was three years old i would guess. By that time Jesus knew the TAL MUD was shit.

Jesus was God in the flesh.

100% God and also 100% man.

Some people are so blind that they cannot understand simple things in the bible.

The verse quoted by the op was true when it was written, but you cannot go backwards in time to over throw many verses written later that teach different.

Jesus is said to be Lord of Lords, simple stuff unless your brain is on vacation.

Back to my point, the bible tells you how to study it.

2Tm:2:15: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Rightly dividing is key.

You cannot get born, live and die in the book of Numbers silly.You have to keep up with things as they are revealed later on in scripture.

Example,

Isa:9:6: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Read that verse until you understand just who is it pointing at.

We run across this same type of stuff with the "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" crowd.Lev 24:20

When Jesus changed it to, "turn the other cheek".

All verses were true when written down but if they are updated or have later revelation given we change with them.

The free gift of salvation is a good place to start, then go forward from there.

Wow, another good post!

GOD referring to Jesus as his Son means that Jesus lied when he call himself the Son of man, the Christ, or, the Apostles were confused and wrote down a lie by mistake but I don't believe they were mistaken, I know the were deceived!

GOOD JOB!