Only BELIEVERS Will Know

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"Who were THEY? THEY were the unbelievers. The unbelievers knew not until the flood came and took THEM all away. But, as the time drew nigh, THE BELIEVERS KNEW the exact day before the fact!"

Ah, hate to break this to you, but the flood happened CENTURIES before Jesus was born. So, how could the "believers" know since the "belivers" didn´t even exist?

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There were always believers in the Old Testament. These were people who trusted God and looked forward to the Messiah that God promised. Abraham, Moses, David, Noah, etc., were all believers in the coming Messiah

"Christ comes in the night as a thief, does He not?

Night = when satan is here ! Christ comes after satan!"

I believe we can know the season, but the exact day???

If so what day is it?

what hour? Did Jesus speak of “His hour”, that evening????? YES HE DID !!

Mt 26:40 -

And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Mt 26:45 -

Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.

Mt 26:55 -

he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.

Mr 14:37 -

And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?

Lu 22:14 -

And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.

Joh 7:30 -

Then they sought to take him: but no man laid hands on him, because his hour was not yet come.

Mr 14:41 -

And he cometh the third time, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold, the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.

Joh 12:23 -

And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.

Joh 12:27 -

Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

Joh 13:1 -

Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

Joh 16:32 -

Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

Joh 17:1 -

These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:



wow !!! Is this “the hour” that He told “the woman” at the Cana wedding would come? And that “that hour” would be the hour for the wine? (Last Supper). Another small detail about the wedding at Cana, is that this first miracle demonstrated His “glory”.

Joh 2:11 -

This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.



Above, in John 17:1, Jesus asks His Father to “glorify your Son”, so the marriage in Cana is certainly a type of this Last Supper. And His hour had come this very evening, after the betrothal feast with His deciples, and again His glory would be manifested thereafter, only this time around He will show all His saints that same glory, of our bridegroom, when He comes, and fulfilling our joy in Him: and will show us the riches of His glory:

Ro 9:23 -

And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,



1Thess 2:12 -

That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto His kingdom and glory.

1Pet 4:13 -

But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ´s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Jude 1:24 -

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,













WHAT ELSE IS THERE ABOUT A PARTICULAR HOUR?????

Are we not often told about an “hour” which SHOULD be known by His Christian church??? YES WE ARE…..

Mt 24:42 -

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Mt 24:44 -

Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Mt 24:50 -

The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of

Lu 12:39 -

And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

Lu 12:40 -

Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Lu 12:46 -

The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.







Notice that no man could lay hands on Him until “His hour” had come:

Joh 7:30 -

Then they sought to take him: but no man laid hands on him, because his hour was not yet come.

Joh 8:20 -

These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.





Now, this particular “hour” is mentioned to two of the churches which He addresses in the book of Revelation: these churches are to focus upon a particular “hour”, and that hour would be the hour that He comes, and the hour just preceeding the hour of temptation (tribulation).

Re 3:3 -

Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Re 3:10 -

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.







So, this “hour” must be a very important hour or there wouldn’t have been such a big deal made about it in the Scriptures, so we should well take careful heed of this “hour”. WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS HOUR? TYPES, TYPES, TYPES !!



Starting with His deciples, as you can see from the above verses, He admonishes to “WATCH” with Him. FOR ONE HOUR! This was “His hour”, and He wanted them to be awake for it, but they kept falling ASLEEP. Now, how many times in the Scriptures are we told to “wait, and WATCH”, and be AWAKE……….

Mt 24:42 -

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Mt 24:43 -

But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Mt 25:13 -

Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Mt 26:38 -

Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

Mt 26:40 -

And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Mt 26:41 -

Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Mr 13:33 -

Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

Mr 13:34 -

For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.

Mr 13:35 -

Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:

Mr 13:37 -

And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Mr 14:34 -

And saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful unto death: tarry ye here, and watch.

Mr 14:37 -

And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?

Mr 14:38 -

Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak.

Lu 12:38 -

And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.

Lu 21:36 -

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

1Th 5:6 -

Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

1Pe 4:7 -

But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.







Re 3:3 -

Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.







Notice in the above verses that the deciples are told to “watch” and “not sleep”, lest they fall into TEMPTATION,

(tribulation) yet the church of Philadelphia, quoted above, is told that they will be kept from the “hour” of TEMPTATION, (tribulation) that shall come upon the whole world.

Mr 14:38 -

Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.



Here is a type of “entering into TEMPTATION: = TRIBULATION” DOES THE TRIBULATION START ON THE EVE OF HIS BETRAYAL???? DOES GOD’S TIME CLOCK START UP AGAIN, RIGHT WHERE HE STOPPED IT?? (WHEN “MESSIAH WILL BE CUT OFF” – HIS BETRAYAL AND CRUCIFIXION?)



On the night of the Last Supper and His betrayal, He desperately wanted them to WATCH, and NOT SLEEP, yet He came three times from where He prayed, and found them “asleep”. Now, where are we told not to “SLEEP”?????????????????



First of all, at the transfiguration, the three deciples were “heavy with sleep”, just like they were at His betrayal evening, but what happened when they “woke up”?

Lu 9:32 -

But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.



And, so will we see His glory if we could just stay awake……….other references which urge us not to sleep:

Lu 22:46 -

And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.

(THAT IS, TRIBULATION)

Ro 13:11 -

And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

1Th 5:6 -

Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

1Th 5:7 -

For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.





We are children of the day, and should not be asleep when He comes !

Matthew 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him

Notice in the above that the bridegroom tarried, and ALL the virgins slumbered and slept. To slumber is a light sleep, whereas to sleep is a deep sleep. So the wise virgins were “lightly” sleeping while the foolish were in deep sleep. The lesson here is to take light naps whilst waiting for the bridegroom.



So, the night of Jesus’ betrayal and “His hour”, we have Him urging the deciples to stay awake, and watch, and pray.



Lu 21:36 -

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

and, as He said on the eve before His crucifixion:

Lu 22:46 -

And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.

(THAT IS, TRIBULATION)







Now then we have the small issue of the “Jerusalem streaker”, in Jerusalem, the night of Christ’s betrayal…. Mark 14:51.

“And there followed Him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: 52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.

IS THIS A TYPE ?

Certainly running through the streets of Jerusalem late at night with no clothes on would be a most uncomfortable predicament. And there is much about our “garments”, in particular our “linen” garments, such as:

Revelation 16

16:15

Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.


and,

Mt 22:11 -

And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

Mt 22:12

And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.



Jude 1:23 -

And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Re 3:4 -

Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.



Note that the garments at issue are “wedding garments”, and the unfortunate young fellow running naked in Jerusalem had lost his “type” of wedding garment…..(linen). Hmmmmmmmmmm……….





MOVING RIGHT ON………..How oft are we told that He comes “as a thief in the night”……..????????

A few references:

Mt 24:43 -

But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

1Th 5:2 -

For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

1Th 5:4 -

But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Re 3:3 -

Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Re 16:15 - Show Context

Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.



So, we should be looking for a “thief” and “in the night”. Well, Judas Iscariot went out to betray our Lord at “night”:

Joh 13:30 -

He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.



Being night, was there also a thief? YES !!!!

Incredibly, Jesus referred to HIMSELF as a thief !!!



Mr 14:48 -

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Are ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and with staves to take me?



Luke 22:52 Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves? 53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.



So, therefore, on this particular “night”, Jesus referred to Himself as a “thief”. If he left that night, being arrested as a thief, and God started His tribulation time-clock right where it left off when the Lord was betrayed to be crucified, would it not be right then, when He would return, as the “thief” ???? This is the only indication in the N.T. that Christ referred to Himself as a “type” of thief. We know that Judas Iscariot was a thief, but it is Christ Himself who comes as the “thief in the night”. Jesus took pains to explain to His arresters that He had been preaching in the temple for years/months, but they had not come to get Him as a “thief”, but here they were this night, when His “hour” had come, being arrested as a “thief”.









“ARISE, LET US GO HENCE…”

John 14:30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me. 31 But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.





Matthew 26:46

Rise, let us be going: behold, he is at hand that doth betray me.






Mark 14:42

Rise up, let us go; lo, he that betrayeth me is at hand.






The above words were spoken by our Lord, just prior to His betrayal, or “his HOUR”. Notice he says, “RISE UP”,,,,,(is this a picture of the rapture?) He speaks of the betrayer who is approaching who has “no part” with Him. We know that this betrayer was Judas Iscariot, also called the “son of perdition”. He betrayed Jesus with a kiss.



We can see by the two references below that both Judas Iscarior, and the antichrist are referred to as “son of perdition”….



Joh 17:12 -

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

2Th 2:3 -

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;



This gives us a clue to another “type” is this story of the evening betrayal of our Lord. Above, He says to the deciples “rise up”, because His betrayer comes (Judas Iscariot). Later, we learn that the antichrist will be “revealed”, when “the hinderer” is taken out of the way. ANY CLUES HERE? If Jesus said to His deciples “rise up” because His betrayer comes who has no part with Him (the antichrist comes in HIS time):

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth F5 that he might be revealed in his time.





Then that would show that the “body” of Christ must “rise up”, so that the antichrist may appear in “his” time…..

the bible makes jesus sound more like a puerto rican than a kike with that thief stuff. hahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!​!!!!!

"Abraham, Moses, David, Noah, etc., were all believers in the coming Messiah"

Today´s decendants of Moses, David, Noah, etc. (in other words, Jews) believe in the coming Messiah. So, will they "know"?

Quote:

"Incredibly, Jesus referred to HIMSELF as a thief !!!

Mr 14:48 - And Jesus answered and said unto them, Are ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and with staves to take me?

Luke 22:52 Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves? 53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.

So, therefore, on this particular "night", Jesus referred to Himself as a "thief". If he left that night, being arrested as a thief, and God started His tribulation time-clock right where it left off when the Lord was betrayed to be crucified, would it not be right then, when He would return, as the "thief" ???? This is the only indication in the N.T. that Christ referred to Himself as a "type" of thief. We know that Judas Iscariot was a thief, but it is Christ Himself who comes as the "thief in the night". Jesus took pains to explain to His arresters that He had been preaching in the temple for years/months, but they had not come to get Him as a "thief", but here they were this night, when His "hour" had come, being arrested as a "thief".




Oh, for crying out loud... It sure get´s tedious straitening out IDIOCY.

Notice in all of those passages that Jesus says "AS" a thief. He was not REFERRING to Himslf as a thief, but simply stating that they were TREATING Him "AS" (did you get that) "AS" a thief!

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OK... did ya get that? He was being TREATED "AS" a thief.


Shhheeeeesh.

Oh, for crying out loud... It sure get´s tedious straitening out IDIOCY







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GG please don´t let others on here discourage you. I find all of this very fascnating! Please do continue!!!

Like She Wolf, I find this very interesting too. Dont let the mockers and scorners get anyone down, especially those who are adding INTELLIGENT and worthwhile reasoning to this forum.

......"For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us". 1 Cor. 5:7. This verse although can be just speedily read over, does have a lot to tell us about passover and its importance for us Christians as far as escaping the tribulation is concerned. The verse
clearly describes the rapture event as a passover and Christ being the Lamb. This is why Jesus said "I have earnestly desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer; for I tell you I shall not eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God." Luke 14:22. This means there is a future passover that He
will await which will be fulfilled in Heaven. Since we know that passover is the time when God delivered His people from wrath. We can asuredly conclude that Jesus is referring to the rapture event as the time of fulfillment of the passover He will await to eat because He said "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." Rev. 3:10. Lets also remember that passover includes the days of Unleavened bread in which firstfruits is celebrated because Luke says "Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called THE PASSOVER." Luke 22:1.

“Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire

Well, aren´t you special!

maybe...he will come like a theif in the night... is a clue

maybe it is a riddle of sort

humans generally physically sleep at night..unaware of what is going on around them..they sleep in a dream world

so maybe the meaning of... he will come ike a theif in the night... is more about spirituality...and not that Jesus will come at night or that we shouldn´t sleep

the ones who have awoken spiritually will be expecting him...the ones who haven´t will not...

personally i don´t want to know when he will return..i am not god...the way i try to live my life is by acting "as if" everyday is the day...then i´m ready...the ones that try to shape up because "they think" he is coming will be called on that, by him, upon his return...

I think Paul described the "hour" as being one of great peril, very dangerous times for many people in the world who are decent folk.

The rest will be eating, drinking, and enjoying much merriment, when SUDDENLY they perish.

We are living in that hour. There are wars and rumors of wars, unprecedented and frequent storms, earthquakes, volcanos erupting, violence everywhere, love of one´s neighbor growing cold, disobedience to parents, drugs, pornography, pedophilia, abductions, all the fingerprints of satan, and the church seemingly sleeping through the mess without outrage of many injustices.

The garment spoken of, I think, refers to one´s commitment of having chosen the right path and staying the course. We are told to hold fast to our faith in order to escape the temptations that surround us in a world gone mad, where robbing, killing, and destroying are the order of the day.

It appears that the sheep and the goats are being separated one from the other. There is something to be said for their descriptions! By their fruits you will know them.

As in the days of Noah ... Noah was told in 7 days the rain would come and in 7 days it did.
I have read that even the constellations in our skies are in line with those of Noah´s in his day!

"No man knows the day or the hour" has everything to do with Jewish tradition of determining the harvest of Abib (I think it is called), which is related to the first sightings of the new moon and the buds of grain in Israel.
Some say He will return on a Jewish feast day and that it will be spring; some say fall harvest. Jesus told us clues so that we would know the time and the season. Note that He said "no man knows the hour or the day" and that He did NOT say that no man would know the week, the month, or even the year.

There are many rumblings in the (true) church that He will return for believers soon, some say even this month and some say mid-late April. I have also heard He will return in the fall, and some say in 2006 ... but ALL say on a date that coincides with a Jewish festival, as Jesus fulfilled all the feasts. The dead in Christ will rise first. Then we that are alive and remain. The Tribulation will then begin and He will return for at His second coming...some say 7 years later in 2012, some say before.

I too, believe that we will KNOW - - there are people all over our world that have been sounding the alarm loudly for quite some time. The Lord will impart knowledge to His people according to His grace and He is not willing that any should persih. As the time draws nearer, don´t be surprised to see His people on the streets preaching repentance like never before.

There is no condemnation in Him - - Come as you are.

In His love and mine,

Won

There is no "rapture"

I thought the same for a long time but have been convinced otherwise.

We´ll know soon enough.

"Then we that are alive and remain. The Tribulation will then begin and He will return for at His second coming...some say 7 years later in 2012, some say before."

Hey goofball, we are in the great tribulation RIGHT NOW!

No rapture only a first and second ressurection.

The Sumatra quake was the opening of seal 6. Seal 6 means that it is now time for trumpets to blow.

Wake up and stop believing the rapture lie. I´d love to believe it were true, but the Word says otherwise.

To those who said not to let the mockers get to me, thanks. I know that mocking comes with the territory. I like to think, tho, that when we testify of Jesus on here, that there are many who read and start to look into these things for themselves, even if they don´t reply. I can only wonder what kind of mocking Noah got for building the ark in a time when there was no rain!

AC 78, I too think Jesus might very well return on a Jewish festival. God is so precise in His Word, and I do not think the Rapture date will be a random date.

Jesus said it would be as in the days of Noah, and the unbelieving world is carrying on as normal, marrying, giving in marriage, building, etc. They either don´t care that He is coming, or mock the very idea. But we who believe, like Noah, know the time is coming. I believe the Lord will let us know exactly when, as it gets closer. He said we would not be in darkness.

It´s an exciting time to be alive, just before the Second Coming, but I look around at all the unbelievers, the mockers and scorners, and it just breaks my heart. So many lost and don´t even know it.........

I thought he was supposed to show up 5 years ago. He must be using one of those crappy Mayan calendars.

My only advice is to do an Internet search on Apocalyptic sects and cults. People a lot smarter than anyone here have tried to figure out when all this "return" crap was supposed to happen and guess what? THEY WERE WRONG EVERY TIME!

NeoCristos has been here and gone, guys. Left in 1998. Now it´s up to you to figure out the truth. If you have the spirit, then you will know. If you don´t, well, I guess that´s tough shit for you.

more Middle-Eastern Monotheistic Cult BULLSHIT.

And your point being?

I thought it clearly says noone will know in the bible, if you believe the bible you must believe noone will know, so by know do yo mean know not to know?

GG,

So when do YOU think the Rapture will occur? And no, I won´t hold you to it...

That Christian prophecy writer--Hal Lindsey--has written books every decade since 1970 claiming that each decade would be the one to see Jesus´ return. Needless to say, he started looking like a fool a long time ago...

I still haven´t seen a definitive date and time in this thread. So? When´s it gonna be, boys? Come out and say it. What are you, chicken? Bwawk bawk bawk.

That´s what I thought.