## 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss, AAI 2009 - Good Watch | |

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Anonymous Coward User ID: 804185 United States 10/28/2009 03:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. An infinite quantity of matter would completely fill space, so energy and matter must be finite. 2. When one characteristic of something is finite, then all its characteristics must be finite. Matter is then finite in all respects; speed, quantity, distance, etc. 3. Time as the counterpart of matter is therefore finite; even if it should continue forever. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Axiom: Something can never be created from nothing. Submission: The universe was created. First conclusion: the creation is nothing more or less than the mutation of what already existed. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The "nothing" never existed, and that the "already existing" has always existed. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Second statement: If ever in the; past the total "nothing" had existed, it would have been permanent. Submission: The total "nothing" was not permanent. Second conclusion: The "already existing" has always existed and is infinite in time; the total "nothing" has never existed. |

Anonymous Coward User ID: 791835 Canada 10/28/2009 07:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there's no reason for there to have been a beginning or end. it's a decidedly linear view of time that is centric to our physical world. in a different inertial frame of reference the laws of physics can not be compared. there are higher dimensions of time to consider. my guess is a meeting between string theory and general relativity. |

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Anonymous Coward User ID: 804811 United States 10/28/2009 07:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. An infinite quantity of matter would completely fill space, so energy and matter must be finite. Quoting: 2. When one characteristic of something is finite, then all its characteristics must be finite. Matter is then finite in all respects; speed, quantity, distance, etc. 3. Time as the counterpart of matter is therefore finite; even if it should continue forever. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Axiom: Something can never be created from nothing. Submission: The universe was created. First conclusion: the creation is nothing more or less than the mutation of what already existed. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The "nothing" never existed, and that the "already existing" has always existed. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Second statement: If ever in the; past the total "nothing" had existed, it would have been permanent. Submission: The total "nothing" was not permanent. Second conclusion: The "already existing" has always existed and is infinite in time; the total "nothing" has never existed. Anonymous Coward 804185It is because absolute non-existance cannot be entered into by the Absolute omnipresence, and "it" used all omniscience and omnipotence to try, is what created The infinitesimal singularity. Pure division on an infinite scale. This created the dimension of DEPTH. Omniscience applied mathematics of Phi, Pi, even fractals, chaos, etc. as infinite kinetics upon this one infintesimal singularity to try and enter non-existance and instead it created the dimension of WIDTH AND infinite expanse, the dimension of HEIGHT. 3D was created because absolute infinite all efforted to be true to the definition of omnipresent and exist inside of non-existance. Solution by the Infinite Mind: Use this 3D creation to achieve the ability to enter non-existance. Apply infinite mathematics of spherical, geometric multiplication on the infinite expanse, whereby the only possible desination is infinitesimal (that single infinitesimal singularity previously created). As the mathematic results is pressed toward infinitesimal there is density collapse on the structure presence that is ejected from infinite expanse. The current of this density collapse is time. All our future is sourced from infinite expanse, density collapses through all density planes, hits our resonance of density we recognize as "present", then "it' continues on though and past "us" to become our past universe iteration. The on-coming pressure of the universe iteration from the future entering our present AND (very important "and") the inertia "suction of the present leaving our density plane out to become our past both create gravity. Time and gravity and impossible to not co-exist because they have the same causation. Density collapse. How does Infinite Mind achieve the original goal of entering non-existance? It's us. We are capable of not knowing something, not having something, not being somewhere, not being able to do something. Through symbiotic communion of a created translation device I like to call, the Door, Infinite can enter and be one with us finite and us finite can enter and be one with the Infinite. It's a modulator/demodulator, a discriminator/transceiver, a translator between all that is finite and all that is infinite in both directions. There, Infinite can partake of non-existance and be not only complete in that respect but also become greater than Itself, infite, by also becoming finite in an unlimited number of iterations and instances (but this will require forever to accomplish and quadrillions times quadrillions of civilizations, never mind individuals in them) Hey, guess WHO is the Door and how many times has a finite entity been sent/used to tell us about this? |

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tkwasnyUser ID: 804811 United States 10/28/2009 07:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. An infinite quantity of matter would completely fill space, so energy and matter must be finite. Quoting: 2. When one characteristic of something is finite, then all its characteristics must be finite. Matter is then finite in all respects; speed, quantity, distance, etc. 3. Time as the counterpart of matter is therefore finite; even if it should continue forever. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Axiom: Something can never be created from nothing. Submission: The universe was created. First conclusion: the creation is nothing more or less than the mutation of what already existed. ---------------------------------------------------------------- The "nothing" never existed, and that the "already existing" has always existed. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Second statement: If ever in the; past the total "nothing" had existed, it would have been permanent. Submission: The total "nothing" was not permanent. Second conclusion: The "already existing" has always existed and is infinite in time; the total "nothing" has never existed. It is because absolute non-existance cannot be entered into by the Absolute omnipresence, and "it" used all omniscience and omnipotence to try, is what created The infinitesimal singularity. Pure division on an infinite scale. This created the dimension of DEPTH. Omniscience applied mathematics of Phi, Pi, even fractals, chaos, etc. as infinite kinetics upon this one infintesimal singularity to try and enter non-existance and instead it created the dimension of WIDTH AND infinite expanse, the dimension of HEIGHT. 3D was created because absolute infinite all efforted to be true to the definition of omnipresent and exist inside of non-existance. Solution by the Infinite Mind: Use this 3D creation to achieve the ability to enter non-existance. Apply infinite mathematics of spherical, geometric multiplication on the infinite expanse, whereby the only possible desination is infinitesimal (that single infinitesimal singularity previously created). As the mathematic results is pressed toward infinitesimal there is density collapse on the structure presence that is ejected from infinite expanse. The current of this density collapse is time. All our future is sourced from infinite expanse, density collapses through all density planes, hits our resonance of density we recognize as "present", then "it' continues on though and past "us" to become our past universe iteration. The on-coming pressure of the universe iteration from the future entering our present AND (very important "and") the inertia "suction of the present leaving our density plane out to become our past both create gravity. Time and gravity are impossible to not co-exist because they have the same causation. Density collapse. How does Infinite Mind achieve the original goal of entering non-existance? It's us. We are capable of not knowing something, not having something, not being somewhere, not being able to do something. Through symbiotic communion of a created translation device I like to call, the Door, Infinite can enter and be one with us finite and us finite can enter and be one with the Infinite. It's a modulator/demodulator, a discriminator/transceiver, a translator between all that is finite and all that is infinite in both directions. There, Infinite can partake of non-existance and be not only complete in that respect but also become greater than Itself, infite, by also becoming finite in an unlimited number of iterations and instances (but this will require forever to accomplish and quadrillions times quadrillions of civilizations, never mind individuals in them) Hey, guess WHO is the Door and how many times has a finite entity been sent/used to tell us about this? Anonymous Coward 804811Sorry didn't log in. Last Edited by tkwasny on 10/28/2009 07:51 AM |

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tkwasnyUser ID: 804863 United States 10/28/2009 09:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 788353I read through it quite carefully. That document is micro-cosmic dissection. What I propose is macro-cosmic. I start at infinite at work through finite and arrive back at infinite structures, kinetics, and Mind. |

tkwasnyUser ID: 804863 United States 10/28/2009 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there are infinity sides in a circle. Quoting: Thats nothing, try a sphere! there's no spheres, just rotating circles Anonymous Coward 791835There are no circles either really, all these geometric mathematical expressions only serve to capture the density collapsing presence from the future, through our present and on toward past. What this current of density collapse resonates as during its stay in our resonant plane we label as "present" is determined by the structures established, which are all nothing but mathematical concepts. Static formulas being struck and rung by current from infinite expanse, through all of them, them continuing on toward the ONE infinitesimal singularity engaged in infinite kinetics. |

Anonymous Coward User ID: 791835 Canada 10/28/2009 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there are infinity sides in a circle. Quoting: Thats nothing, try a sphere! there's no spheres, just rotating circles There are no circles either really, all these geometric mathematical expressions only serve to capture the density collapsing presence from the future, through our present and on toward past. What this current of density collapse resonates as during its stay in our resonant plane we label as "present" is determined by the structures established, which are all nothing but mathematical concepts. Static formulas being struck and rung by current from infinite expanse, through all of them, them continuing on toward the ONE infinitesimal singularity engaged in infinite kinetics. tkwasnyI envy your talent for making pseudoscience so opaque you'd rather accept it than have to read it. density = mass/volume, density collapse is?? resonant plane? what is this? sounds like you have a lot of pictures in your head but no skill to use accepted language to convey them. how about a diagram? |

tkwasnyUser ID: 804934 United States 10/28/2009 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there are infinity sides in a circle. Quoting: Thats nothing, try a sphere! there's no spheres, just rotating circles There are no circles either really, all these geometric mathematical expressions only serve to capture the density collapsing presence from the future, through our present and on toward past. What this current of density collapse resonates as during its stay in our resonant plane we label as "present" is determined by the structures established, which are all nothing but mathematical concepts. Static formulas being struck and rung by current from infinite expanse, through all of them, them continuing on toward the ONE infinitesimal singularity engaged in infinite kinetics. I envy your talent for making pseudoscience so opaque you'd rather accept it than have to read it. density = mass/volume, density collapse is?? resonant plane? what is this? sounds like you have a lot of pictures in your head but no skill to use accepted language to convey them. how about a diagram? Anonymous Coward 791835Thanks for that. I appreciate it. I did read it quite carefully and it speaks of all that is known in our current plane of existance we call the present. I do not care to dig into micro-cosmic explanations because that is not the direction I am led to go. (but I am an electrical engineer and a whole bunch of other like stuff of no value) I'm not trying to convey true science or even pseudoscience. I'm attempting to get myself and others to break away from original sin education methodology. The density I refer to has nothing to do with mass or volume. That only takes place in our domain of present time bandwidth. It is a time construct referencing infinite structures and kinetics and has nothing to do with limits of 3D volume. It has everything to do with the span of all time and how 3D itself as a foundation is created. Multi-verses if you prefer to use that term some have. Except the dividing line for each iteration for each universe is time caused by a presence excreting from infinite expanse and spherically engaging in kinetic math of collapse toward infinitesimal. At various degrees of this collapse is resonance caused by the density of the presence contained at that instance. Opaque may be caused by the lack of skill on the source or lack of openess on the destination, or both. The transmitter may be off frequency or the rcvr may be off frequency, of just plain off, or both. |

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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28008747 United States 11/27/2012 03:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there are infinity sides in a circle. Quoting: Thats nothing, try a sphere! there's no spheres, just rotating circles There are no circles either really, all these geometric mathematical expressions only serve to capture the density collapsing presence from the future, through our present and on toward past. What this current of density collapse resonates as during its stay in our resonant plane we label as "present" is determined by the structures established, which are all nothing but mathematical concepts. Static formulas being struck and rung by current from infinite expanse, through all of them, them continuing on toward the ONE infinitesimal singularity engaged in infinite kinetics. I envy your talent for making pseudoscience so opaque you'd rather accept it than have to read it. density = mass/volume, density collapse is?? resonant plane? what is this? sounds like you have a lot of pictures in your head but no skill to use accepted language to convey them. how about a diagram? Anonymous Coward 791835Thanks for that. I appreciate it. I did read it quite carefully and it speaks of all that is known in our current plane of existance we call the present. I do not care to dig into micro-cosmic explanations because that is not the direction I am led to go. (but I am an electrical engineer and a whole bunch of other like stuff of no value) I'm not trying to convey true science or even pseudoscience. I'm attempting to get myself and others to break away from original sin education methodology. The density I refer to has nothing to do with mass or volume. That only takes place in our domain of present time bandwidth. It is a time construct referencing infinite structures and kinetics and has nothing to do with limits of 3D volume. It has everything to do with the span of all time and how 3D itself as a foundation is created. Multi-verses if you prefer to use that term some have. Except the dividing line for each iteration for each universe is time caused by a presence excreting from infinite expanse and spherically engaging in kinetic math of collapse toward infinitesimal. At various degrees of this collapse is resonance caused by the density of the presence contained at that instance. Opaque may be caused by the lack of skill on the source or lack of openess on the destination, or both. The transmitter may be off frequency or the rcvr may be off frequency, of just plain off, or both. tkwasny If this guy is still here ... I'm also an electrical engineer, and I'll just ask which if any of the quantities you describe can be measured with existing or conceivable instrumentation. If none of them, your idea is less developed than string theory, which also has no testable content but has a lot of sharp math defining exactly what the theory says -- in terms of its unmeasurable components. :) |

Anonymous Coward User ID: 50770841 United States 01/28/2014 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Figured i'd bump this, person445 lies and bans me from his threads you here you go. qouting 445 Thread: Does the Universe Come From Nothing? w/ Lawrence Krauss "Nope that's a different video and a different poster. As for no one caring... the book discussed in this interview is a New York Times bestseller. 0 for 2." (1) It was you, you just banned me and lied. (2) I didn't say people wouldn't love delusion, and in the NY times you say, wow, take it to the bank. I was referring to your theory. You said Krauss' theory was not your own (so you don't have to defend it) haha |

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