I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that he wrote books on the subject and that we should read his books and not the Bible....I disagreed and said I do not respect the Pope....The look on the face was a classic!
I'll tell you, I don't think I've ever seen the deterioration of Catholicism more, than in the last ten years....
Anonymous Coward User ID: 804915 (OP) 10/28/2009 11:18 AM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
Anonymous Coward User ID: 804791 10/28/2009 11:21 AM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
Well that's because the Catholic hierarchy possesses at least some level of intellectual integrity - If it were possible to still believe literaly in the bible they would.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 699506 10/28/2009 11:25 AM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
The pope is here to assure the Antichrist takes his seat. This is a conspiracy that began in the 60's at the hand of Ratsinger (the pope now). Vatican II was just the beginning of the End.
impetigo User ID: 519854 10/28/2009 11:48 AM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
i went to a mass on Christmas
Eve (not catholic but friend
was), the priest was telling
the story of the nativity and
ended it by saying, whether
it really happened that way or
not regarding the
virgin birth.
i wish i had gotton up and
walked out but not before
setting the guy straight
(pun intended)
Anonymous Coward User ID: 804915 (OP) 10/28/2009 11:49 AM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
i went to a mass on Christmas
Eve (not catholic but friend
was), the priest was telling
the story of the nativity and
ended it by saying, whether
it really happened that way or
not regarding the
virgin birth.
i wish i had gotton up and
walked out but not before
setting the guy straight
(pun intended)
Quoting: impetigo 519854
WOW! damn that's bad
impetigo User ID: 519854 10/28/2009 11:52 AM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
i went to a mass on Christmas
Eve (not catholic but friend
was), the priest was telling
the story of the nativity and
ended it by saying, whether
it really happened that way or
not regarding the
virgin birth.
i wish i had gotton up and
walked out but not before
setting the guy straight
(pun intended)
Quoting: impetigo 519854
That is harsh but here where I am the service is proper and done in worship to the Holy Trinity
Anonymous Coward User ID: 793957 10/28/2009 1:01 PM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
I guess the Catholics are smarter than the fundies.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 804993 10/28/2009 1:03 PM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that he wrote books on the subject and that we should read his books and not the Bible....I disagreed and said I do not respect the Pope....The look on the face was a classic!
I'll tell you, I don't think I've ever seen the deterioration of Catholicism more, than in the last ten years....
Quoting: FUCKED UP 804915
A foreign catholic? Now that's credible hearsay, NOT.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 430043 10/28/2009 1:53 PM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
What do you have against our ape heritage? I'm proud to be an apeman!
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 805029 10/28/2009 1:58 PM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
the catholics collated the bible. The New testament is their invention. Protestants stole the bible from the catholics and invented a new religion based on their own interpretations.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 802880 10/28/2009 2:14 PM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
the catholics collated the bible. The New testament is their invention. Protestants stole the bible from the catholics and invented a new religion based on their own interpretations.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 805029
The bible predates the catholic church. The kjv did not come from catholics at all but was preserved in greek. You are il-informed.
The jesuits have prepetrated the pagan science for counter-reformation. Catholics (Roman Church) have always been pagan not christian, not biblical.
They attack the bible with science so-called because it doesn't support theor theocratic dictatorship.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 751567 10/28/2009 2:21 PM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
you are allowed to believe in evolution if you are a catholic.. it just startes that the soul has not evolved and everything is by the hand of God.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 802880 10/28/2009 2:46 PM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
you are allowed to believe in evolution if you are a catholic.. it just startes that the soul has not evolved and everything is by the hand of God.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 751567
That's a dangerous thing because at some point one begins to reason that is not what science says. Science says there is no Creator, that we come from slime of the rock.
The roman church doesn't care if everyone goes atheist as long as they don't pick up that bible and identify the harlot!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 548848 10/28/2009 2:49 PM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
Well that's because the Catholic hierarchy possesses at least some level of intellectual integrity - If it were possible to still believe literaly in the bible they would.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 804791
I think you're right. They're probably all gay intellectual Jesuits, have a scholarly background, are generally very high intelligence. Christianity has painted itself into a corner. It isn't culturally viable IMO.
Nazarene User ID: 802880 10/28/2009 2:59 PM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
The earth was never molten to cool down as the uniformitarian evolution theory claims. Baserock granites cannot be heated to a molten state, recooled, and remain granite. It is reclassified at that point to another mineral having lost its crystaline structure inter-mix. For this reason they cannot produce granite in a lab, even though they can produce all types of other mineral, even something close to diamond. Granite as found was created by God just 6000 years ago on the first day.
THE EARTH WAS NEVER MOLTEN COOLING DOWN
Another textbook fabrication
Granite was never molten and is not an igneous rock. It cannot be produced in a lab. Also interesting that granite has other properties called radio halos showing it was formed almost instantaneous. This was published in science journals decades ago. As yet unrefuted!
( Radiohalos in Radiochronological and Cosmological Perspective. Gentry, R.V., Science 184, 62, 1974 )
[link to www.halos.com]
[link to www.youtube.com]
Malcolm Bowden presents the decrease in the Earth's magnetic field and the decrease in the size of the sun.
A search of the technical literature in 1970 provided two important clues to this explanation of the earth's dipole magnet:
1) In 1883 Sir Horace Lamb solved the complex electromagnetic problem of a free current circulating in a conducting sphere.
2) Evaluations have been made on the strength and direction of this dipole magnet in the core of the earth ever since the first historic evaluation was made by Gauss in the 1835 epoch. The first clue predicted decay, the second clue confirmed it. Rarely in physics has there been a better illustration of a mathematical physics theory and such extensive observational data to confirm it.
Evolution: Fact or Belief?
( 1 hr 13m )
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Is the Theory of Evolution a scientific fact or a mere belief? Five world top scientific minds give their answer on Evolution. A ground breaking video sold all round the world, award winning international documentary, now available for all to see.
[link to www.noevolution.org]
The thrust of the film is the lab research from Colorado State University on stratification of the geocolumn and subsequent dating methods.
Featuring:
Prof M. Giertych, geneticist
Prof R. Fondi, paleontologist
Prof G. Sermonti, molecular biologist
Prof. Boudreaux, inorganic chemist
Guy Berthault, sedimentologist
Colorado State University flood modeling - Experiments on Stratification by Pierre Julien & Guy Berthault. Published by Geological Society of France, French Academy of Sciences, Russian Academy of Sciences Journal, and others.
[link to creation.com]
[link to www.icr.org]
[link to bsgf.geoscienceworld.org]
Dr. Grady S. McMurtry
Full-time International Creation Emissary
Biblical Scientific Creationist
Apologist
[link to www.youtube.com]
[link to www.creationworldview.org]
An interesting speaker, former professor and Darwinian evolutionist, Mensa - Life Member.
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
The pope is here to assure the Antichrist takes his seat. This is a conspiracy that began in the 60's at the hand of Ratsinger (the pope now). Vatican II was just the beginning of the End.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 699506
Isn't it very well possible that Satan and his minionz of demonz have been perpetrating a false-doctrine of a singular Anti-Christ whom would come to rule and destroy the World ? Satan has been deceiving mankind from the very dawn of humanity'z existence on God's great Earth, so why should we be believing what could be his antics once yet again ? The notion of the Anti-Christ comes from passages in the book of Daniel that speak of a coming prince-ruler and something certain time-spans until the Messiah Anointed One. People don't seem to recognize what this prophecy that Daniel spoke of (which the angel Gabriel explained to him) is meaning:
Daniel 9:23-27
-------------- 20 Now while I was speaking, praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God, 21 yes, while I was speaking in prayer, the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, reached me about the time of the evening offering. 22 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, “O Daniel, I have now come forth to give you skill to understand. 23 At the beginning of your supplications the command went out, and I have come to tell you, for you are greatly beloved; therefore consider the matter, and understand the vision: 24 “ 70 weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy. 25 “ Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem
until Messiah the Prince, there shall be 7 weeks and 62 weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times. 26 “ And after the 62 weeks, Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood, and till the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate.”
So we should be able to see how this prophecy showz that it had already commenced by the time that the angel Gabriel was explaining Daniel's vision to him. "Since the time you began supplicating (praying), a command went out." Then he goes on to say, "From the time the command went out (which already occured while Daniel was supplicating), there will be..." certain sets of sevens. So thus, this prophecy has already been fullfilled. Just think of the few possibilityz:
70 Sets x 7 Years = 490 Years
70 Sets x 7 Weeks = 490 Weeks = 9.39 Years
70 Sets x 7 Days = 490 Days = 1.34 Years
In 444 B.C., King Artaxerxes I of Persia issued a decree allowing Jerusalem and the walls to be rebuilt. If we go 68 of those "sets of 7" (476 Years), we come to 33 A.D., which is right around the time of the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ (Messiah being cut-off), and then not too long after that (in 70 A.D.), the city of Jerusalem along with the 2nd Temple were destroyed by the Roman Empire [the people of the prince whom is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary (Temple)], under the command of general Titus, whom later became Emporer.
In fact, one thing that it absolutely amazing, albeit it'z not part of the prophecyz, is that fact that from between the completion of the 1st Temple in 960 B.C. until the completion of the 2nd Temple in 516 B.C. is precisely 444 Years !!!! It was in 444 B.C. that the city and temple was decreed to be re-built.
So, why would Satan wanna perpetrate this lie. Well, because it would cause people to believe that this particular prophecy of Daniel's is still yet to be fullfilled, with them assuming that the physical-temple must be re-built in Jerusalem before the End-Time Tribulation-Period can begin, and they assume this prince-ruler that comes to destroy the city and the temple is this so-called Anti-Christ figure that endz-up ruling this whole World, but this is so much based on suppositioningz. People also assume that the tribulation-period is a 7-year period, but that is only if Daniel's 70-Weeks Prophecy is for this End-Time, but it clearly was for back around near Daniel's times. The temple that was to be cast-down was God's Spiritual-Temple (Body Of Christ, God's Church) by vomitting (scattering) it from out of His mouth, and this has already occured also, but most of the whole World is oblivious to God's Church, and the ones whom see it do nothing but mock it, scoff at it, ridicule it, and find fault with it, when this is precisely what God and Jesus Christ warned us would be occuring to God's Church, as they would be persecuted until God's Kingdom was established here on this Earth.
The reason why Satan would want people to be supposing that an Anti-Christ ruler was coming was for that when Jesus Christ would be returning to this Earth, the masses of the World would be believing that the real Christ is the Anti-Christ, and this would be causing them to fight against the real Messiah, Jesus Christ.
The same thing is true about the so-called "rapture", because they want us to be focused upon desiring to see the massively major destruction upon this Earth so that they feel that they are about to be cosmically raptured-away in some devine cosmic escape, but this is a false teaching. People base this doctrine from the books of Revelation and Matthew. In Revelation, it talks about John in his letter to Philadelphia where he writes that God will keep you from the hour of trial, but that doesn't mean that they will be raptured away into thin-air. They are protected during the judgement-period because even if they should die, they are guaranteed to be resurrected if they are part of the 144,000 that have been sealed throughout the 6,000 Years of mankind'z self-rule, and plus, they can be physically protected because God will be giving them favour during the 3.5-Year Tribulation-period of 1,260 Days. Now, not everybody from the Sardis church-era, nor the Philadelphia church-era, nor the Laodicea church-era will be considered part of God's 144,000 first-fruits in God's Kingdom, because He speaks of the dangers of becoming spiritually luke-warm and complacent, so nothing is guaranteed unless you have been already sealed. This final-sealing has already taken place, but I'll have to explain more about that stuff in other threadingz.
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
you are allowed to believe in evolution if you are a catholic.. it just startes that the soul has not evolved and everything is by the hand of God.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 751567
Well, is it really evolution if it just only has to do with the soul. Isn't evolution really regarding the evolution of all of the species of this planet Earth and how they evolved from one species on into another species ? Evolution of just the soul is not really believing in evolution really.
Aaron
Anonymous Coward User ID: 744051 10/28/2009 10:30 PM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
I guess the Catholics are smarter than the fundies.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 793957
It should have been apparent when they started selling indulgences, Catholics make it up as they go along.
God doesn't sell anything.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 717811 10/28/2009 10:59 PM
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
Re: I just had a foreign Catholic tell me that the Pope believes in evolution and that man came from APE. Also, that we should read his books and not the
The earth was never molten to cool down as the uniformitarian evolution theory claims. Baserock granites cannot be heated to a molten state, recooled, and remain granite. It is reclassified at that point to another mineral having lost its crystaline structure inter-mix. For this reason they cannot produce granite in a lab, even though they can produce all types of other mineral, even something close to diamond. Granite as found was created by God just 6000 years ago on the first day.
Quoting: Nazarene 802880
I am really very glad to see that you do believe in the 6,000-year thing, but I do want to talk about something that few have ever been confronted with before. Firstly, it is absolutely paramount that we examine the original lanuguages when reading certain passages from the Bible, because sometimes the re-translation into the English languages changes the meaning in a very profound way. One of these thingz occurs right in the book of Genesis:
Genesis 1:1
----------- In the beginning, God created the heavens in the Earth.
-----------
This was the very original creation of the Earth.
Genesis 1:2
----------- The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
-----------
The word "was" in the original Hebrew really means "became, or to become". This should read, "The Earth became void and without form. This means that God did not initially create the Earth as a wasteland before he beautified it, that is not how God creates, as God only creates beautifully. God created the Earth millionz upon millionz of years ago, along with the Sun. What happened was that the great angel Lucifer whom was vested with much power, had learned from God that mankind was purposed to eventually be higher than the angels, and this so angered Lucifer, along with the pridefullness of believing that his own ways were better than God's ways. Those thoughtz led Lucifer to lead a very massive rebellion of 1/3 of the whole entire Angelic-Realm to be in rebellion against God, and they have been trying to thwart God's plan ever since then, but they most certainly definitely will not succeed in doing this.
This rebellion led to the destruction of much of the Earth, of which is spoken of in other portionz of the Bible, where this initial period of Angelic rebellion is discussed. There was so much destruction upon the Earth that the Sun could not shed it'z light upon the Earth, and in fact, not ANY light could shine on the Earth. This is why God's Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. God didn't say let there be a Sun, he say let there be light, as He has already created the Sun very much longer ago, but he had to make the light shine on the Earth once again. Then, he divided this light from the dark and called them Day and Night. Later-on, he "sets" them in the firmament of the heavens to shine on the Earth, and to rule over the day and the night, and to divide the light from the darkness.
God had to re-adjust the orbitz and set everything perfectly again since Satan (his name was changed from Satan to Lucifer once he was in rebellion against God) had destroyed much of the Earth and probably also altered the orbits of what God had created from before. If God was first creating all of those thingz, He would have stated that He created them at that time, but the Bible doesn't say this. It just says that He made the light come, He divided those lights shining on the Earth, He made the waters become divided (they may have been this way before Satan destroyed the Earth before this), He set everything just perfectly in the firmament so that the seasons would occur again, and so that the not-yet-created mankind would have signs and also for having a manner of keeping time.
It'z amazing because from between Genesis 1:1 & Genesis 1:2 was many millionz of years passing on by (although to God, this time-span was a very short span of time since because God is not bound by time). God had to correct what Satan had done to his creations, which did include many life-formz on the planet, which would explain why mankind has been finding all manner of dinosaur fossilz since they were living on this Earth before Satan so destroyed this Earth. What was not created before was mankind, as he was first created on this 6th Day of God's workingz. The 5th & 6th Days (sea-creatures and birds, then land animals and insects, then mankind) are the only places where God says that He created something. In the original Hebrew, here are the following meaningz (Hebrew read from right to left):
Different Hebrew wordz are used for "made" and "created", because they have different meaningz. "God made" means that God made the already-created thingz to do certain thingz, such as to shed their light on the Earth once again, and it says that God made 2 great lights TO rule over the day and the night, not literally creating them, but making them do something. When God said "Let there be light.", this was not actual the creation of the heavenly body that was emitting the light, but it was allowing the emmitted light to do what God wanted it to do (to shine on the Earth in certain places, to make seasons and signs, and for the keeping of time) since Satan had so destroyed the Earth that is messed-up the heavenly creations and God wanted to fix what Satan had done. After that, Satan was stripped of his powers to ever be able to do that ever again, because now Satan is only able to influence and manipulate mankind into doing his dirty works for him. The sea-creatures, the birds, the land animals, the insects, and mankind were the only thingz which were created in the account of Genesis, as everything else had already been created much longer ago than this, but which Satan and his demons had messed-up during their rebellion, and God allowed this to occur for a purpose. Then, he made the Earth and the heavens beautiful again, just like everything was when He first created them.
This very same examining of the originial languages of the textz is paramount if we want the true meaningz of the Bible. One of those is the word for "age" translated into the word "world", which is why most people think that the end of the World is coming, and not just the end of the age.
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