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Anonymous Coward
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10/28/2009 11:11 AM
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is it possible to understand science intuitively, like how we understand words... where the intent comes first then the actual words are formed 'intellectually''logically' ... if we are in tune to things, can scientific understanding be gained not intellectually, but intuitively..like music?

Anonymous Coward
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10/28/2009 11:12 AM

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kind of yeah. in an abstract way.

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10/28/2009 11:14 AM

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yea, looking at things around you. As above so below, so you can visualize dynamic that you can't physically see. Just how tesla could build things in his minds eye and calculate wear etc. entheogens can help the people who have a harder time visualizing

Anonymous Coward
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10/28/2009 11:17 AM

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you certainly can.
if you practice throwing rocks at some target you get good at hitting it. You dont have to know the exact weight of the rock, the acceleration of gravity, the distance to the target. Your brain can calculate it intuitivly and you can get very good at throwing rocks without knowing any of the science behind how that rock needs a certain amount of force to create the accelleration that gives it enough speed to travel the correct distance in order to reach a target.

Sickscent
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10/28/2009 11:20 AM

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Yes, but the only problem is that repetition of experiments is where we solve science problems. That is the base of science nowadays is the Scientific Method. Initially scientists do get their understanding of a certain scientific principle through an intuitive guidance and they begin fleshing it out, normally, with math. If the math holds up then the Scientific Method is used to produce actual, real world results.

So, I guess you can say that your topic is true, but it must be backed up with other processes to make sure that it is correct.

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10/28/2009 11:40 AM

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No, you can not. As a matter of fact, let's say, there are at least two type of objects in our mind. they are, things we have imagined in our mind, and things present to us as phenomena. consider how you get these two type of things hooked together? so you can compose things of phenomena into things of imagination( that is realize a imagination or find a imagined thing) or you figure out an thing of phenomena is exactly as the one you imagined? Hence, within them there is a bridge or doctrines. these doctrines are called science. then you can not rely only on intuition to sort doctrines out though we say those doctrines contains nothing more than the laws about phenomena.

Anonymous Coward
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10/28/2009 11:42 AM

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you can have a basic understanding, but without fundamental knowledge and understanding it would be difficult to apply it to actually solve any problems or make predictions.

Anonymous Coward
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10/28/2009 7:15 PM

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Sure it is possible.
We are made of the same stuff and forces as the rest of the world.
If we learn to understand ourselves properly, we understand the rest. Thats the way babies learn. They intuitively check physics for instance.
We have senses for physical forces like light, sound, thermal energy, kinetic energy...
We also have senses for the detection of molecular structures: smell and taste.
There is much more we haven't discovered how to use.
Don't be blinded by your arrogant left-brain ratio.
It's a fabulous servant but a complete failour as a boss.

Anonymous Coward
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10/28/2009 7:19 PM

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is it possible to understand science intuitively, like how we understand words... where the intent comes first then the actual words are formed 'intellectually''logically' ... if we are in tune to things, can scientific understanding be gained not intellectually, but intuitively..like music?

No, you can not. As a matter of fact, let's say, there are at least two type of objects in our mind. they are, things we have imagined in our mind, and things present to us as phenomena. consider how you get these two type of things hooked together? so you can compose things of phenomena into things of imagination( that is realize a imagination or find a imagined thing) or you figure out an thing of phenomena is exactly as the one you imagined? Hence, within them there is a bridge or doctrines. these doctrines are called science. then you can not rely only on intuition to sort doctrines out though we say those doctrines contains nothing more than the laws about phenomena.

Quoting: cartaphilus 804940

The ONLY correct answer so far. The reason science is awesome is because our intuition sucks! If our intuition for science was so great, we would have made all of the great discoveries thousands of years ago. Quantum mechanics is proven but is entirely counterintuitive.

Anonymous Coward
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10/28/2009 7:20 PM

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Intuitively people think that the world is flat and the that the Sun goes around the Earth. . .

Anonymous Coward
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10/28/2009 7:25 PM

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Intuitively people think that the world is flat and the that the Sun goes around the Earth. . . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 764455 Bullshit. It was intuition that corrected that assumption.

Anonymous Coward
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10/28/2009 7:29 PM

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Intuitively people think that the world is flat and the that the Sun goes around the Earth. . . Bullshit. It was intuition that corrected that assumption. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 526155 LOL okay.

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10/28/2009 7:34 PM

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To a certain extent, yes - and if you can do it, it's very helpful. If you have a strong physical intuition then, when presented with some problem in mechanics, you'll know the general shape of the answer ahead of time, and that'll make it much easier to solve the equations exactly for a precise solution. Physical intuition will guide you well through classical Newtonian mechanics.

Intuition fails, however, once you get out onto the wilder frontiers of twentieth-century physics. Special relativity is weird. General relativity is weirder still. Quantum mechanics is downright insane. Modern physics is done in a world in which space and time are not simply the stage on which the play takes place, but are actually participants in the process, changing what happens and being changed in their turn. And the particles that move about and interact in the universe, well, they don't have clearly defined positions any more, and a lot of the time they act more like waves in an energy field than like solid objects, and sometimes all you really have is a diffuse cloud of probability where a particle _might_ be found.

If you mean to study science then your intuition, if well trained, will indeed be a great help. But the most important help it gives you will be that it lets you translate the equations into something less abstract. You still need to learn the mathematics if you want to get meaningful results.

Anonymous Coward
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10/28/2009 7:49 PM

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"Understanding" is always a matter of intuition. If it was pure data processing computers would be capable of "understanding".

Anonymous Coward
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10/28/2009 7:54 PM

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No.

You might understand (or just think you do) them but there would be nothing scientific about your methods.

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