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why do healthy young people die from H1N1?

 
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why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
what's that condition called? something to do with the immune system over reacting
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
Because it was engineered to do so? Actually, the regular flu does kill the young, also.
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
cytokine storm sometimes. Or pneumonia.

People need to be aware of how to handle this disease when they get it. That is what MSM is NOT educating us about.
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
Healthy young people can die from flu because of cytokine storms:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Role in pandemic deaths

It is believed that cytokine storms were responsible for many of the deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic, which killed a disproportionate number of young adults.[1] In this case, a healthy immune system may have been a liability rather than an asset. Preliminary research results from Hong Kong also indicated this as the probable reason for many deaths during the SARS epidemic in 2003.[6] Human deaths from the bird flu H5N1 usually involve cytokine storms as well.[7] Recent reports of high mortality among healthy young adults in the 2009 swine flu outbreak has led to speculation that cytokine storms could be responsible for these deaths.[8] However, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have indicated that symptoms reported from this strain so far are similar to those of normal seasonal flu,[9] with the CDC stating that there is "insufficient information to date about clinical complications of this variant of swine-origin influenza A (H1N1) virus infection."[9]
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
cytokine storm sometimes. Or pneumonia.

People need to be aware of how to handle this disease when they get it. That is what MSM is NOT educating us about.
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LOL ... you beat me to it!
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
Several "healthy" young people have been on ventilators and died from H1N1 locally. Test results come back showing a deficiency of several key vitamins, including D.

Just because people look healthy and are young doesn't mean they aren't eating crap food and getting sunshine.
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
So can Benadryl be used as treatment?
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
Healthy young people can die from flu because of cytokine storms:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Role in pandemic deaths

It is believed that cytokine storms were responsible for many of the deaths during the 1918 influenza pandemic, which killed a disproportionate number of young adults.[1] In this case, a healthy immune system may have been a liability rather than an asset. Preliminary research results from Hong Kong also indicated this as the probable reason for many deaths during the SARS epidemic in 2003.[6] Human deaths from the bird flu H5N1 usually involve cytokine storms as well.[7] Recent reports of high mortality among healthy young adults in the 2009 swine flu outbreak has led to speculation that cytokine storms could be responsible for these deaths.[8] However, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have indicated that symptoms reported from this strain so far are similar to those of normal seasonal flu,[9] with the CDC stating that there is "insufficient information to date about clinical complications of this variant of swine-origin influenza A (H1N1) virus infection."[9]
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thank you very much
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
Healthy? Until they fall into ill health by the cytokine storm the vaccine promotes.
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
cytokine storm <-- is this just another word for allergic reaction, immune system over-reaction?
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
better question is why don't the media EVER talk about the fact that 99.999% of people who get the "swine flu" completely recover?
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
Here is a doc I copied somewhere. If any medical people care to comment on this, would love feedback:

Swine Flu Protocol

Anti-Virals

1. Tamiflu for maximum effectiveness MUST be taken within 48 hours of flu symptoms.

2. Vitamin D - adults can simply take 4,000 units a day,

3. Vitamin C - 1000 mg 3 times daily (or hourly for 6 hours at first)

4. Vitamin E

5 Cat's Claw (Uncaria tomentosa) - "We conclude that the alkaloidal fraction was the most effective in reducing monocyte infection rates and cytokine levels."
Not to be used by pregnant women or small children.

6. Garlic (allicin) - Very effective antiviral.

7. Resveratrol - red wine is good also

8. St Johns Wort

Antiviral Beverages: Stay Hydrated! Lots of Water, and these beverages are best:
1. Green Tea
2. Apple Juice
3. Cranberry Juice
4. Pomegranate juice
5. Red wine

Cytokine Storm Preventatives
: For the purposes of inhibiting ACE and reducing cytokines

Curcumin (Tumeric Spice) - Take 4 900mg tabs a day if you get the flu - Not to be taken by pregnant women.

Quercetin

Omega 3 Fish Oils
Cod Liver Oil

Things to have on hand that help:

N-Acetyl-Cysteine (NAC) - For Lung inflammation. N-Acetyl-Cysteine — Has been shown to prevent or lessen the severity of influenza. I suggest 1200 mg, twice a day for adults, and 600mg twice a day in kids over 12. It would be hard to get kids under 12 to take it, but you could try opening the capsules and putting it on yogurt. For 40 pounds and up, 300-600 mg twice a day, for less than 40 pounds, half that.as been shown to prevent or lessen the severity of influenza. I suggest 1200 mg, twice a day for adults, and 600mg twice a day in kids over 12. It would be hard to get kids under 12 to take it, but you could try opening the capsules and putting it on yogurt. For 40 pounds and up, 300-600 mg twice a day, for less than 40 pounds, half that.

Benadryl - For inflammatory reactions and any signs of distress IE hives, swelling, breathlessness.

Ace Inhibitor Prescriptions, continue. May want to try in non-prescribed family members, too.

Inhalation Therapy:
If you have asthma inhalers, these can help lung inflammation.

Hydrogen Peroxide (H202) Nebulizer that will allow you to fill the medicine container. Mix H202—2 parts to 1 part distilled water. Nebulize into lungs by breathing mist deeply and through mouth 3-6 times daily.
Also - put a few drop of Hydrogen Peroxide in each ear daily.

Nicotine - Use in the form of gum, patch, or liquid.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]
"Moreover, nicotine appears to moderate the inflammation associated with influenza infection. These anti-inflammatory properties of nicotine may account for longer survival of nicotine-treated than control mice lethally infected with influenza virus."

Antibiotics for Secondary Infections - If the flu gets better, but then suddenly reappears, chances are that a secondary bacterial infection has happened. That is when antibiotics are needed.

Iodine - Dab on a spot on skin.

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AVOID if you have the flu (good preventatives if you don't have it)

Elderberry juice (Sambucal)Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6)

Calcium and Magnesium - AVOID increased the activity of neuraminidases.

Micro Algae (Chlorella and Spirulina) - AVOID - Increases production of cytokine TNF-a. (Pubmed PMID 11731916)

Honey - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID12824009)

Chocolate - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID 12885154, PMID 10917928)

Echinacea - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. Although it is often used for normal flu, research shows that it may increase the chance of cytokine storms for H5N1. (Pubmed PMID 15556647, 9568541)

Kimchi - AVOID - Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. (Pubmed PMID15630182)

Dairy products & Bananas - AVOID - These foods increase mucous production.
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
BULLS--- on this one.

My son just had SWINE FLU. He had been taking homemade ELDERBERRY for days prior since he works as a DOCTOR OF PHARMACY and is exposed all day to illness. We think the ELDERBERRY gave him some protection and the flu would have been much worse without it.

However, he did come down with H1N1 so he began RIGHT AWAY to take the Sambucus store brand, 4 tablespoons a day, plus VitD3, high doses of Vit C, and many other items.

For three days he has fever of 100 to 101, terrible body pain and muscle aches, throbbing headache, congestion etc, BUT NO backlash of any complications.

Day 5 he was able to return to work. Oh, and by the way he had the SEASONAL flu shot 5 weeks ago, so the flu he had WAS the SWINE FLU.

TAKE ELDERBERRY . . . .TAKE ELDERBERRY . . . it is good for the H1N1 in spite of the misinformation.

THE WORDS BELOW ARE NOT TRUE************

Elderberry juice (Sambucal)Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6)

NOT TRUE******************
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
Might wanna try Vit A

[link to www.scienceguardian.com]

Snippet:
Robert Houston Says:
April 5th, 2006 at 12:45 pm
You’re right, Truthseeker. The NY Times for all its verbiage has missed the main discoveries regarding avian flu. Its website allows one to search at once all 207 articles they’ve ever published on the subject. None of these articles mentions “cytokine”, “TNF”, or “vitamin.”

Yet the major finding from the foremost avian flu research center in the world is that the H5N1 virus is distinguished from milder flu viruses by its ability to hyperinduce the production of tumor necrosis factor (TNF) and other proinflammatory cytokines in the cells of the immune system, particularly the macrophages. This discovery, from the University of Hong Kong Dept. of Microbiology, was extended last August to specify the main mechanisms (1). Meanwhile, in nearby Taiwan, government scientists reported at about the same time that the main metabolite of vitamin A “could reduce…TNF-a production” and that “vitamin A may protect…patients from proinflammatory cytokine-mediated damage” (2). These findings were reported exclusively by Truthseeker last November (click HERE for his world scoop).

The ability of vitamin A to inhibit TNF in macrophages had long been known. Researchers at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center reported in 1994 that the major vitamin A metabolite “almost completely inhibited the production of TNF by macrophages” (3).

The Harvard review of Vitamin A mentioned above does not cite any of these studies but does review a number of other studies showing that vitamin A inhibits TNF (see section on Monocytes and Macrophages). It also references a clinical trial from Norway, which found that vitamin A supplementation at 6500 units a day (slightly above the daily requirement) resulted in “a significant decrease in TNF-a levels” - actually cutting them in half (4). Significant inhibition of TNF was also found in clinical trials of vitamin A (and other antioxidant vitamins) conducted in Italy (5) and Greece (6).

1. D. Lee et al. Hyperinduction of tumor necrosis factor alpha expression in response to avian influenza virus H5N1. J. Virol. 79:10147-54, Aug. 2005.

2. L. Ho et al. Retinoic acid blocks pro-inflammatory cytokine-induced matrix metalloproteinase production… Biochem. Pharmac. 70:200-8, 2005.

3. K. Mehta et al. Inhibition by all-trans-retinoic acid of tumor necrosis factor and nitric oxide production by peritoneal macrophages. J. Leukoc. Biol. 44:336-42, 1994.

4. P. Aukrust et al. Decreased vitamin A levels in common variable immunodeficiency. Eur. J. Clin. Inv. 30:252-259, 2000.

5. G. Mantovani et al. Reactive oxygen species, antioxidant mechanisms and serum cytokine levels in cancer patients: impact of an antioxidant treatment. J. Cell. Mol. Med. 6:507-82, 2002.

6. T. Vassilakopoulos et al. Antioxidants attenuate the plasma cytokine response to exercise in humans. J. Appl. Physiol. 94:1025-32, 2003.
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
BULLS--- on this one.

My son just had SWINE FLU. He had been taking homemade ELDERBERRY for days prior since he works as a DOCTOR OF PHARMACY and is exposed all day to illness. We think the ELDERBERRY gave him some protection and the flu would have been much worse without it.

However, he did come down with H1N1 so he began RIGHT AWAY to take the Sambucus store brand, 4 tablespoons a day, plus VitD3, high doses of Vit C, and many other items.

For three days he has fever of 100 to 101, terrible body pain and muscle aches, throbbing headache, congestion etc, BUT NO backlash of any complications.

Day 5 he was able to return to work. Oh, and by the way he had the SEASONAL flu shot 5 weeks ago, so the flu he had WAS the SWINE FLU.

TAKE ELDERBERRY . . . .TAKE ELDERBERRY . . . it is good for the H1N1 in spite of the misinformation.

THE WORDS BELOW ARE NOT TRUE************

Elderberry juice (Sambucal)Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6)

NOT TRUE******************
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Well - cytokines are great fighters, and Elderberry increases these fighters, so it is probably great for fighting the flu.

But if someone has too many fighters (cytokines), they can over-fight and rip apart the lungs in the battle. So if this starts happening, don't you think it would be best to STOP taking the Elderberry right away, since it increases the cytokines?
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
OP , take the advice re elderberry, etc. And you can learn lots, lots more on a board called --> Forum 2000 Bomb Time (you must reverse words then go to google, etc and enter the term to find the site as we are not allowed to link it here due to an old feud)

To all, many of us that are researching for TRUTH about this so-called influenza pandemic are uncovering much info that points to this being way more than just a NOVEL VIRUS that has somehow naturally evolved.

Here is one excellent source (below) that gives huge amount of evidence about this situation being brought about by bioweapons testing, Gulf War I, gov't sponsored Genetic Enginneering research for both bioweapons but also antidotes, etc.

AMERICAN GULF WAR VETS ASSOCIATION - PETER KAWAJA
[link to www.agwva.org]

*There is a very long Main Page - click the various links of articles and topics from the main page to go to various other pages*

See this page especially ----> OUTBREAK
[link to www.agwva.org]

This page is specifically about bioweapons & outbreaks, etc, ties in with Swine Flu and it's very mysterious characteristics of killing healthy people in less than 24 hours and also note that some are now dying without even having sickness symptoms at all prior to just collapsing or going into cardiac arrest while at work or school!

===================================

As Ken Alibek, the defected ex-Soviet biowarfare scientist, described in his TESTIMONY to the United States Congress in the 1990's ..... this virus meets most all the criteria of being a PERFECT BIOWEAPON.

See book on Amazon: Biohazard: The Chilling True Story of the Largest Covert Biological Weapons Program in the World--Told from Inside by the Man Who Ran It --- by Ken Alibek

It is showing to have many of the desired effects of a biowarfare agent:

> the transmissibility of the common cold or flu virus !

> very virulent and causing widespread sickness (!!)

> exhibiting very unusual & deadly characteristics that baffle doctors & confuse diagnosis (hmmmm!)

> will likely have never-before-seen complications (hmmm!)

> will likely cause unexplainable deterioration in victims' organs that leads to quick if not instant DEATH!!!

> creates overload of basic health systems + support systems in all sorts of ways and may lead to break-down & havoc in such systems.

> creates fear, panic and disarray in all levels of the target population that lead rapidly to increased demand for antidote medicines, protective vaccines, definesive countermeasures, and calls for increased government actions, etc.

> Has potential to shut down a nation if not curtailed quickly (no services, no food or medicine produced or shipped, etc)

> quickly poses threat to stability of target country military, social systems, economy, and can make things so unstable that a country/nation becomes easy target for invasion & acts of hostile warfare, terrorism, etc!

~~~~~~

(Hint: Combine influenza virus or Adenovirus (common cold) with germs like EBOLA - MARBURG, etc = hemorrhaging {or} with virus components of AVIAN FLU +/or SARS = rapid lung failure and tissue disintegration ,,, etc, etc)

Think about all this , go check out about Ken Alibek , & go research the info by Peter Kawaja .... then the pictureof what could be true story starts coming very, very clear.
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
Isn't it obvious why? The young have weaker immune systems due to all the vaccinations they get throughout their youth. Then add on whatever their diet is, many of our youth don't have a chance.
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
The newest information available regarding children dying from H1N1 is that they're developing bacterial meningitis following H1N1. The 'flu weakens the immune system enough for secondary infections to take hold. So, it's the bacterium killing people, not the 'flu. Why do we have a 'flu shot again?
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I wonder how many people died from the h1n1 that got yearly flu vaccines. I hear the flu vaccines are engineered to make people more suseptiple to flu and h1n1.
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cytokine storm <-- is this just another word for allergic reaction, immune system over-reaction?
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
4,000 IU of D3 isn't enough this year. Adults should be taking a MINIMUM of 10,000 IU/day. This virus is going after the immune deficient people, D3 BOOSTS your immune system.

A doctor who is a good friend of mine, told me yesterday morning, to boost my daughters D3 intake to 150,000 IU/day until she starts feeling better, then 10,000 IU/day for the rest of the cold & flu season.

He told me "She will NOT O.D. on it, you can trust me on that."

She is 90% better than she was Wedneday evening.
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Just because people look healthy and are young doesn't mean they aren't eating crap food and getting sunshine.
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A baby is born; within minutes it is injected with mercury and other neurodegenerative toxins. EVERY month on average it will receive a neurodegenerative "vaccination".

Each and every "vaccination" runs down what little of a developing immune system this poor soul has. Each and every "vaccination" induces micro ischemic events which injure the infant. Each and every "vaccination" injects mercury, foreign DNA, extra-human proteins and all sort of garbage never intended by nature to be in our blood.

These poor children have been prepared for our Political Pandemic and will die in vast numbers.

There should be no mystery here.
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Why do we have a 'flu shot again?
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Short answer: To weaken and indirectly kill you.
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
population control, Pregnant women kills two with one stone. The elderly are not going to take much more from the gov. But the young will produce more people.
so lets say fro examp 2000 people die from swine flu younger than 30 you could say it would also stop the production of around 5000 more of the human race.
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Re: why do healthy young people die from H1N1?
There is no point of return now in this yearly seasonal/novel flu vs.vax shell game..........Someone mentioned here recently the age group at risk was that of our young military people.