OMFG!! Talk about picking the gayest non-metal songs from a band that had a really FANTASTIC album "Beyond Sanctorum".
And guess what? If you can't handle shrieking or guttural vocals, you don't belong in metal! I don't mean 3IOB screaming, that was AWFUL, I mean REAL METAL VOCALS!
Seriously... the whole screaming/growling thing sounds fucking horrible.
Just listen to this crap:
See? It's completely ridiculous (and unintentionally hilarious). Music is not for those guys... they should quit now and spare our ears the pain.
When a singer's voice sounds like a running a cheese grater against a chalkboard, something is very wrong. I don't understand this trend or why it's so popular all of the sudden.
Maybe when this retarded trend dies out and vocalists actually start singing again, I'll consider listening to metal once more.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 800564
99% of music is SHIT totally useless commercial SHIT no inspiration no talent nothing.
Just 30 years ago there was still good rock just think the 70's and all the bands who emerged then , now what is that they call it music sound like shit.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 804926 10/31/2009 10:24 PM
That's why I suggested it ;) If you like that spend some time on you tube cause that is just the tip of the iceburg for Devin.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 806240
You have done well and are to be commended for showing me Devin Townsend's work.
I liked what I heard so much, I actually went out and bought the album Ki... and after listening to it several times now, I can say without any doubt whatsoever that it is a truly brilliant work of art and a modern masterpiece of progressive rock/metal.
Thanks once again for bringing Townsend to my attention. I would have missed out on him entirely had no one mentioned him to me.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 809423 11/3/2009 12:09 PM
the fact is bands like Nirvana rock harder than metal bands whcih does not make sense comnsidering that metal bands are suppossed to be the thunderous rockers
instead- bad timing- no sense of build and release- no sense of something as simple as relativity
arctic monkeys rock harder thatn the cookie monster screamers
Anonymous Coward User ID: 800564 (OP) 11/3/2009 12:38 PM
Anyone can buy a guitar and an amp and will, with a bit of practising, sound good. You can let the strings take a beating without ill effect. If a string breaks, you just buy another set.
But singing well is really hard. Singing well with a metal edge is really really hard. Singing well with a metal edge, while still taking good care of your vocal cords, is so fucking hard it borders on impossible.
And when your vocal sords take a beating, you can't just pop down to the music store to buy another set.
I know rock vocals is a fool's quest to master, because I tried it in my youth. It's the elusive goal I foolishly wasted all my youthful energy on.
I eventually managed to tame a vocal range of almost four octaves, and I managed to tame a wide range of tonal expression, from a soft, leaky tone, to a hard, overdrive tone, and smoothly modulate from one extreme to the other. This took years of intense practise, just as mastering a guitar would have.
But I never managed to get my voice to work reliably. When I was at my peak, I could sing amazingly well, right up there with the elite singers. I recorded myself and was awed at my own performances. They were out of this world, at times.
But the next day, my voice would simply shut down. Imagine having four well-controlled octaves one day, but only one and a half poorly-controlled octaves the next day. A week of rest, a week of careful build-up, and I'd be back in business, only to soon fall down again.
Not to mention the way getting a flu would set me back for months...
The constant frustration of fighting against impossible odds eventually wore me down, and I quit singing. I have nothing to show for my efforts today. If I had put my talent and effort into the guitar instead, I would at least have had something. I would be able to play a guitar pretty well. But as an ex-rock vocalist, I got nothing.
As the Bible says: "The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak."
Rock vocals is the perfect illustration of that age-old adage. The sad truth is, human beings are just NOT CAPABLE of singin rock! Those who try will wear their voice out in no time. And even the greatest of rock singers tend to sound like crap on stage, compared to their recordings. <cough> Freddy Mecury <cough>
Because, guess what, rock vocalists record when they're on a peak. But going on a tour, and expecting the same level of performance night after night is simply not gonna happen.
In a way, rock vocals is just as stupid an exercise as elite level athletics. You ask more of your body than it is capable of delivering.
The state of rock "vocals" today, is simply an acknowledgement of the fact that proper rock singing is too much to ask of anyone. Even fucking Jesus Christ himself only turned water into wine and walked on water, but he never mastered rock singing. Some things are just not possible.
The only metal-ish thing you can reliably do as a vocalist, is puke in the microphone like your possessed by Satan, like the growl "singers" of today do.
It may sound horrible, but at least they can dependably make the same awful performance on tour.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 800564 (OP) 11/3/2009 5:40 PM
"run for the hills..." lol- terrible lyrics
juvinile little mascot,. horrid guitar sound -
never understood thier appeal - except to 14 year old boys
but i watched a concert on tv in rio or somewhere all the way throuh and i can stand "phantom of the opera" with the better singer that really couldn'tr sing that well
but they can't rock either- nirvana destroyes all those lame sounding bands
Anonymous Coward User ID: 800564 (OP) 11/3/2009 5:54 PM
Rock vocals is the perfect illustration of that age-old adage. The sad truth is, human beings are just NOT CAPABLE of singin rock! Those who try will wear their voice out in no time. And even the greatest of rock singers tend to sound like crap on stage, compared to their recordings. <cough> Freddy Mecury <cough>
Because, guess what, rock vocalists record when they're on a peak. But going on a tour, and expecting the same level of performance night after night is simply not gonna happen.
In a way, rock vocals is just as stupid an exercise as elite level athletics. You ask more of your body than it is capable of delivering.
The state of rock "vocals" today, is simply an acknowledgement of the fact that proper rock singing is too much to ask of anyone. Even fucking Jesus Christ himself only turned water into wine and walked on water, but he never mastered rock singing. Some things are just not possible.
The only metal-ish thing you can reliably do as a vocalist, is puke in the microphone like your possessed by Satan, like the growl "singers" of today do.
It may sound horrible, but at least they can dependably make the same awful performance on tour.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 300884
Bullshit.
You don't think the growling and screaming doesn't take its toll on the vocal chords?
Hell, I'd say growling will probably wear out your vocal chords quicker than clean vocals will.
As people get older, their voices will start to break and thin out whether they sing or not. It's a natural part of aging.
Most singers will make up for this by singing in a lower key... and musicians will play in a lower key to accommodate them.
I must also tell you that many vocalists actually sound better live than in the studio. That could be partly due to bad mixing and mastering on the music engineer's part... or it could just be the vocalist feels more comfortable singing in a live setting.
Whatever the reason... your case falls flat, for the most part. Some people are born to sing... others must practice thoroughly... but sometimes, singing just isn't for some certain people at all.
Some voices are built to last... but some will degrade with time. It depends largely on the individual and their innate talents... and how well they take care of themselves, as well.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 800564 (OP) 11/3/2009 5:59 PM
but they can't rock either- nirvana destroyes all those lame sounding bands
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 809617
I was willing to agree with you to a certain extent... until I read that last sentence.
Nirvana is the single most overrated band in music history... period. You have destroyed every single ounce of your credibility by suggesting otherwise.
Henceforth, nothing you say in this thread will be taken seriously.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 300884 11/4/2009 2:53 AM
You don't think the growling and screaming doesn't take its toll on the vocal chords?
Hell, I'd say growling will probably wear out your vocal chords quicker than clean vocals will.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 800564
Of course it does. It just doesn't matter, because you can still growl and scream perfectly fine with trashed vocal cords. In fact, it even becomes easier...
It's SINGING in a controlled fashion that is difficult to do with worn out vocal cords.
As people get older, their voices will start to break and thin out whether they sing or not. It's a natural part of aging.
Most singers will make up for this by singing in a lower key... and musicians will play in a lower key to accommodate them.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 800564
My point exactly!
Even the GREATEST ROCK SINGERS OF ALL TIME get worn out fast. It's a destructive activity. The human voice can't take the punishment. You see, opera singers don't start to decline until they get old. I took singing lessons from a nice 80-year old lady for a while. She was a prominent soprano during WW2, but could still reach her high C without trouble, she had just a tad too much tremolo from her advanced age.
Rock singers lose their high range before they're 35.
I must also tell you that many vocalists actually sound better live than in the studio. That could be partly due to bad mixing and mastering on the music engineer's part... or it could just be the vocalist feels more comfortable singing in a live setting.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 800564
Sure, some singers have a hard time getting in the mood in a studio booth. Sure, the overly compressed and processed recordings of today manages to make even the best music painful to the ears.
Proving what, exactly?
My point isn't about something untrained listeners necessarily pick up on.
Something tells me you know far more about guitars than about singing, so I'll go with that for an example. The difference between a great guitar player on a good day, and a great guitar player on a bad day with a bad hangover, can only be picked up by those schooled to hear fine nuances in guitar playing. Untrained listeners just hear that the guy rocks, everytime.
Same thing with singers. Most people don't recognize the lack of control, range and flexibility the singer shows on stage, as compared to his recordings. They just feel that he's projecting energy, and think he sounds great.
The poor singer himself knows he has a bad day though, make no mistake about it.
Whatever the reason... your case falls flat, for the most part. Some people are born to sing... others must practice thoroughly... but sometimes, singing just isn't for some certain people at all.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 800564
Myth.
NOONE is born with the ability to sing. EVERYONE must practice, daily. In the classical world, it is well-known taking two weeks off your practise schedule means two months of hard work to get back to where you were afterwards.
The same goes for HIGH QUALITY rock singing. (I'm not concerned with those content to sing like crap here).
No vacation lying around on a beach is possible for a professional singer.
Some voices are built to last... but some will degrade with time. It depends largely on the individual and their innate talents... and how well they take care of themselves, as well.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 800564
All voices are 'built' very much the same.
There is nothing magic about someone's vocal cords that sets him apart from anyone else. Everybody shares the same physiology.
Vocal cords are muscular 'lips' in your throat, reinforced with multiple moisture producing cell layers to keep them from drying out when you squeeze air past them (as in talking or singing). If the vocal cords get to dry, the friction between them will damage them physically, and often cause an infection as well.
Unfortunately, Nature never intended humans to yell for hours and hours every day, so the moisture system wasn't designed for it.
Opera singers get away with their heavy voice usage because (a) they warm up the muscles in the vocal cords very carefully, just like an athlete must do before a world record attempt, and (b) they MINIMIZE the amount of air running past the vocal cords. It is wholly forbidden in opera to sing with a "leaky" tone, or to apply pressure until the voice "breaks up", or goes into overdrive. Doing so, makes lots of air flow past the vocal cords, drying them out.
This is the 'opera technique'. It allows you to sing at the peak of performance every night for year after year. It's entirely useless for rock singing however, because it makes you sound like an opera singer, which is awful in a rock setting.
Noone can sing rock for any period of time without permanently degrading their vocal cords. Period. There are a select few who ALMOST can, but even they don't last very long.
Choosing a proffession that IN THE VERY BEST CASE makes you peak at age 25, and then it's all downhill, isn't very recommendable to anyone.
But hey, what do I know about this stuff? I'm just a guy who dedicated my entire fucking life to rock singing from age 16 to age 29, discovering the harsh truth firsthand. My deep personal experience in the futility of trying to balance taking care of my voice with pushing it to the limit is obviously of no value, compared to your uninformed opinions.
After all, you can just say I couldn't do it because I suck, and there's nothing I can do to prove you wrong.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 755102 11/4/2009 3:24 AM
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