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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 537265
10/30/2009 6:51 PM
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Link is compliments of Denny Rehberg, Montana's only Congressman. 1900 pages. He is vehemently AGAINST this bill:
[link to rehberg.house.gov]
Denny tells us there is a second bill also to be voted on regarding physicians for the elderly. It will cost 200B$
It is only 13 pages and can be read here:
[link to rehberg.house.gov]
The whole thing is so ridiculous it has become surreal.
Hard to even fathom the world they are planning for us. Seems like it is time they were all impeached; at least all those criminal enough to vote for this bill. |
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RememberThis 
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 6:56 PM
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TY
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~
~Why do midgets laugh when they run? Because the grass tickles their nuts~ |
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Nailer45
User ID: 806677
10/30/2009 7:03 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
what is messed up: when they did Medicare reform the bill was only 64 pages ( CNN info ) , the only reason the healthcare reform bill is so many pages 2000 and counting is because of all the special interest groups getting their slice and other BS added in that has nothing to do with healthcare. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806663
10/30/2009 7:05 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
ALL of them please. Lets remember ALL of them. R.P. gets to stay. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 765854
10/30/2009 7:09 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
We need someone who can translate the government doublespeak in this bill. It's almost impossible to read. |
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me
User ID: 781996
10/30/2009 7:13 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Just read it fast and skip the big words, you should get the gist of it. |
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RememberThis
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 7:15 PM
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Just read it fast and skip the big words, you should get the gist of it. Quoting: me 781996
Yeah........the fine print doesnt matter till you need treatment. 
Im reading every word of it
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~
~Why do midgets laugh when they run? Because the grass tickles their nuts~ |
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Matrix
User ID: 731351
10/30/2009 7:15 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Governments never stick to budget, they always go way over, so with such a flood of tax payer money now headed for the health care industry, who still thinks that costs will stay down with such a volume of money headed for their coffers? |
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KimmieAnnaJones
User ID: 772688
10/30/2009 7:17 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Page 1426 #22 seems to be looking for those "volunteers" to care for the most chronically ill people. "Out-come based payment system "?
"Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come." |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 591484
10/30/2009 7:23 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
oh the goodies are everywhere!
page 25 regarding the high risk pool...
If the Secretary es-
timates for any fiscal year that the aggregate
amounts available for payment of expenses of the
high-risk pool will be less than the amount of the ex-
penses, the Secretary shall make such adjustments
as are necessary to eliminate such deficit, including
reducing benefits, increasing premiums, or estab-
lishing waiting lists.
To summarize the 1900+ pages; bend over we've got a fuckin' comin and they can't afford K-Y. |
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RememberThis
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 7:23 PM
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Page 1426 #22 seems to be looking for those "volunteers" to care for the most chronically ill people. "Out-come based payment system "? Quoting: KimmieAnnaJones
  ??
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~
~Why do midgets laugh when they run? Because the grass tickles their nuts~ |
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Nailer45
User ID: 806677
10/30/2009 7:23 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
just a taste.
2
1 (b) TABLE OF DIVISIONS, TITLES, AND SUB2
TITLES.—This Act is divided into divisions, titles, and
3 subtitles as follows:
DIVISION A—AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE CHOICES
TITLE I—IMMEDIATE REFORMS
TITLE II—PROTECTIONS AND STANDARDS FOR QUALIFIED
HEALTH BENEFITS PLANS
Subtitle A—General Standards
Subtitle B—Standards Guaranteeing Access to Affordable Coverage
Subtitle C—Standards Guaranteeing Access to Essential Benefits
Subtitle D—Additional Consumer Protections
Subtitle E—Governance
Subtitle F—Relation to Other Requirements; Miscellaneous
TITLE III—HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE AND RELATED PROVISIONS
Subtitle A—Health Insurance Exchange
Subtitle B—Public Health Insurance Option
Subtitle C—Individual Affordability Credits
TITLE IV—SHARED RESPONSIBILITY
Subtitle A—Individual Responsibility
Subtitle B—Employer Responsibility
TITLE V—AMENDMENTS TO INTERNAL REVENUE CODE OF 1986
Subtitle A—Shared Responsibility
Subtitle B—Credit for Small Business Employee Health Coverage Expenses
Subtitle C—Disclosures To Carry Out Health Insurance Exchange Subsidies
Subtitle D—Other Revenue Provisions
DIVISION B—MEDICARE AND MEDICAID IMPROVEMENTS
TITLE I—IMPROVING HEALTH CARE VALUE
Subtitle A—Provisions related to Medicare part A
Subtitle B—Provisions Related to Part B
Subtitle C—Provisions Related to Medicare Parts A and B
Subtitle D—Medicare Advantage Reforms
Subtitle E—Improvements to Medicare Part D
Subtitle F—Medicare Rural Access Protections
TITLE II—MEDICARE BENEFICIARY IMPROVEMENTS
Subtitle A—Improving and Simplifying Financial Assistance for Low Income
Medicare Beneficiaries
Subtitle B—Reducing Health Disparities
Subtitle C—Miscellaneous Improvements
TITLE III—PROMOTING PRIMARY CARE, MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES,
AND COORDINATED CARE
TITLE IV—QUALITY
Subtitle A—Comparative Effectiveness Research
Subtitle B—Nursing Home Transparency
Subtitle C—Quality Measurements
Subtitle D—Physician Payments Sunshine Provision
Subtitle E—Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections
TITLE V—MEDICARE GRADUATE MEDICAL EDUCATION
TITLE VI—PROGRAM INTEGRITY
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Subtitle A—Increased funding to fight waste, fraud, and abuse
Subtitle B—Enhanced penalties for fraud and abuse
Subtitle C—Enhanced Program and Provider Protections
Subtitle D—Access to Information Needed to Prevent Fraud, Waste, and Abuse
TITLE VII—MEDICAID AND CHIP
Subtitle A—Medicaid and Health Reform
Subtitle B—Prevention
Subtitle C—Access
Subtitle D—Coverage
Subtitle E—Financing
Subtitle F—Waste, Fraud, and Abuse
Subtitle G—Puerto Rico and the Territories
Subtitle H—Miscellaneous
TITLE VIII—REVENUE-RELATED PROVISIONS
TITLE IX—MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS
DIVISION C—PUBLIC HEALTH AND WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT
TITLE I—COMMUNITY HEALTH CENTERS
TITLE II—WORKFORCE
Subtitle A—Primary Care Workforce
Subtitle B—Nursing Workforce
Subtitle C—Public Health Workforce
Subtitle D—Adapting Workforce to Evolving Health System Needs
TITLE III—PREVENTION AND WELLNESS
TITLE IV—QUALITY AND SURVEILLANCE
TITLE V—OTHER PROVISIONS
Subtitle A—Drug Discount for Rural and Other Hospitals; 340B Program Integrity
Subtitle B—Programs
Subtitle C—Food and Drug Administration
Subtitle D—Community Living Assistance Services and Supports
Subtitle E—Miscellaneous
DIVISION D—INDIAN HEALTH CARE IMPROVEMENT
TITLE I—AMENDMENTS TO INDIAN LAWS
TITLE II—IMPROVEMENT OF INDIAN HEALTH CARE PROVIDED
UNDER THE SOCIAL SECURITY ACT
1 DIVISION A—AFFORDABLE
2 HEALTH CARE CHOICES
3 SEC. 100. PURPOSE; TABLE OF CONTENTS OF DIVISION;
4 GENERAL DEFINITIONS.
5 (a) PURPOSE.—
6 (1) IN GENERAL.—The purpose of this division
7 is to provide affordable, quality health care for all
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1 Americans and reduce the growth in health care
2 spending.
3 (2) BUILDING ON CURRENT SYSTEM.—This di4
vision achieves this purpose by building on what
5 works in today’s health care system, while repairing
6 the aspects that are broken.
7 (3) INSURANCE REFORMS.—This division—
8 (A) enacts strong insurance market re9
forms;
10 (B) creates a new Health Insurance Ex11
change, with a public health insurance option
12 alongside private plans;
13 (C) includes sliding scale affordability
14 credits; and
15 (D) initiates shared responsibility among
16 workers, employers, and the Government;
17 so that all Americans have coverage of essential
18 health benefits.
19 (4) HEALTH DELIVERY REFORM.—This division
20 institutes health delivery system reforms both to in21
crease quality and to reduce growth in health spend22
ing so that health care becomes more affordable for
23 businesses, families, and Government.
24 (b) TABLE OF CONTENTS OF DIVISION.—The table
25 of contents of this division is as follows:
Sec. 100. Purpose; table of contents of division; general definitions.
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TITLE I—IMMEDIATE REFORMS
Sec. 101. National high-risk pool program.
Sec. 102. Ensuring value and lower premiums.
Sec. 103. Ending health insurance rescission abuse.
Sec. 104. Sunshine on price gouging by health insurance issuers.
Sec. 105. Requiring the option of extension of dependent coverage for uninsured
young adults.
Sec. 106. Limitations on preexisting condition exclusions in group health plans
in advance of applicability of new prohibition of preexisting
condition exclusions.
Sec. 107. Prohibiting acts of domestic violence from being treated as preexisting
conditions.
Sec. 108. Ending health insurance denials and delays of necessary treatment
for children with deformities.
Sec. 109. Elimination of lifetime limits.
Sec. 110. Prohibition against postretirement reductions of retiree health benefits
by group health plans.
Sec. 111. Reinsurance program for retirees.
Sec. 112. Wellness program grants.
Sec. 113. Extension of COBRA continuation coverage.
Sec. 114. State Health Access Program grants.
Sec. 115. Administrative simplification.
TITLE II—PROTECTIONS AND STANDARDS FOR QUALIFIED
HEALTH BENEFITS PLANS
Subtitle A—General Standards
Sec. 201. Requirements reforming health insurance marketplace.
Sec. 202. Protecting the choice to keep current coverage.
Subtitle B—Standards Guaranteeing Access to Affordable Coverage
Sec. 211. Prohibiting preexisting condition exclusions.
Sec. 212. Guaranteed issue and renewal for insured plans and prohibiting rescissions.
Sec. 213. Insurance rating rules.
Sec. 214. Nondiscrimination in benefits; parity in mental health and substance
abuse disorder benefits.
Sec. 215. Ensuring adequacy of provider networks.
Sec. 216. Requiring the option of extension of dependent coverage for uninsured
young adults.
Sec. 217. Consistency of costs and coverage under qualified health benefits
plans during plan year.
Subtitle C—Standards Guaranteeing Access to Essential Benefits
Sec. 221. Coverage of essential benefits package.
Sec. 222. Essential benefits package defined.
Sec. 223. Health Benefits Advisory Committee.
Sec. 224. Process for adoption of recommendations; adoption of benefit standards.
Subtitle D—Additional Consumer Protections
Sec. 231. Requiring fair marketing practices by health insurers.
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Sec. 232. Requiring fair grievance and appeals mechanisms.
Sec. 233. Requiring information transparency and plan disclosure.
Sec. 234. Application to qualified health benefits plans not offered through the
Health Insurance Exchange.
Sec. 235. Timely payment of claims.
Sec. 236. Standardized rules for coordination and subrogation of benefits.
Sec. 237. Application of administrative simplification.
Sec. 238. State prohibitions on discrimination against health care providers.
Sec. 239. Protection of physician prescriber information.
Sec. 240. Dissemination of advance care planning information.
Subtitle E—Governance
Sec. 241. Health Choices Administration; Health Choices Commissioner.
Sec. 242. Duties and authority of Commissioner.
Sec. 243. Consultation and coordination.
Sec. 244. Health Insurance Ombudsman.
Subtitle F—Relation to Other Requirements; Miscellaneous
Sec. 251. Relation to other requirements.
Sec. 252. Prohibiting discrimination in health care.
Sec. 253. Whistleblower protection.
Sec. 254. Construction regarding collective bargaining.
Sec. 255. Severability.
Sec. 256. Treatment of Hawaii Prepaid Health Care Act.
Sec. 257. Actions by State attorneys general.
Sec. 258. Application of State and Federal laws regarding abortion.
Sec. 259. Nondiscrimination on abortion and respect for rights of conscience.
Sec. 260. Authority of Federal Trade Commission.
Sec. 261. Construction regarding standard of care.
Sec. 262. Restoring application of antitrust laws to health sector insurers.
Sec. 263. Study and report on methods to increase EHR use by small health
care providers.
TITLE III—HEALTH INSURANCE EXCHANGE AND RELATED |
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TX PATRIOT
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 7:30 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Some of the specifics of the bill as provided by Rep Louie Gohmert - indicating page and sections - are found here:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Also there is a SUPPLEMENTAL bill called the "doc fix", which is found here (PDF):
[link to docs.house.gov]
Gohmert's comments about "doc fix":
There’s also a separate 13 page bill, found HERE, that repeals the sustainable growth rate caps on Medicare spending, better known as the “doc fix.” Because there is no funding to pay for this important $200 billion, the Majority resorted to using the gimmick of packaging this as a bill separate from the larger health care reform bill so that they can CLAIM they are not breaking the President’s promise to not add one dime to our deficit. Furthermore, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has priced these two bills at costing taxpayers more than $1.2 trillion, well over the President’s original target price of $900 billion!
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TX PATRIOT
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 7:31 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Sorry, OP, I didn't see your link to the doc fix. Apologies for the dup link.
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Nailer45
User ID: 806677
10/30/2009 7:35 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Just read it fast and skip the big words, you should get the gist of it. Quoting: me 781996
If you do that it says Americans you are trully fucked for sure when the bill becomes law. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 7:35 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Gohmert's Reading Guide:
***Reading Guide—Pelosi Health “Reform” Bill ***
In order to assist Members, staff, and interested parties seeking to read and review the health “reform” legislation (H.R. 3962) introduced by House Democrats, the Republican Conference has compiled a list of important page numbers and provisions in Speaker Pelosi’s 1,990-page “Affordable Health Care for America Act:”
Page 94—Section 202(c) prohibits the sale of private individual health insurance policies, beginning in 2013, forcing individuals to purchase coverage through the federal government
Page 110—Section 222(e) requires the use of federal dollars to fund abortions through the government-run health plan—and, if the Hyde Amendment were ever not renewed, would require the plan to fund elective abortions
Page 111—Section 223 establishes a new board of federal bureaucrats (the “Health Benefits Advisory Committee”) to dictate the health plans that all individuals must purchase—and would likely require all Americans to subsidize and purchase plans that cover any abortion
Page 211—Section 321 establishes a new government-run health plan that, according to non-partisan actuaries at the HULewin GroupUH, would cause as many as 114 million Americans to lose their existing coverage
Page 225—Section 330 permits—but does not require—Members of Congress to enroll in government-run health care
Page 255—Section 345 includes language requiring verification of income for individuals wishing to receive federal health care subsidies under the bill—while the bill includes a requirement for applicants to verify their citizenship, it does not include a similar requirement to verify applicants’ identity, thus encouraging identity fraud for undocumented immigrants and others wishing to receive taxpayer-subsidized health benefits
Page 297—Section 501 imposes a 2.5 percent tax on all individuals who do not purchase “bureaucrat-approved” health insurance—the tax would apply on individuals with incomes under $250,000, thus breaking a central HUpromiseUH of then-Senator Obama’s presidential campaign
Page 313—Section 512 imposes an 8 percent “tax on jobs” for firms that cannot afford to purchase “bureaucrat-approved” health coverage; according to an HUanalysisUH by Harvard Professor Kate Baicker, such a tax would place millions “at substantial risk of unemployment”—Uwith minority workers losing their jobs at twice the rate of their white counterparts
Page 336—Section 551 imposes additional job-killing taxes, in the form of a half-trillion dollar “surcharge,” more than half of which will hit small businesses; according to a model developed by President Obama’s senior economic advisor, such taxes could cost up to 5.5 million jobs
Page 520—Section 1161 cuts more than $150 billion from Medicare Advantage plans, potentially jeopardizing millions of seniors’ existing coverage
Page 733—Section 1401 establishes a new Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research; the bill includes no provisions preventing the government-run health plan from using such research to deny access to life-saving treatments on cost grounds, similar to Britain’s National Health Service, which denies patient treatments costing more than £35,000
Page 1174—Section 1802(b) includes provisions entitled “TAXES ON CERTAIN INSURANCE POLICIES” to fund comparative effectiveness research, breaking Speaker Pelosi’s promise that “UWe will not be taxing [health] benefits in any bill that passes the HouseU,” and the President’s promise not to raise taxes on families with incomes under $250,000
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GlassPearls
GlassPearls
User ID: 613866
10/30/2009 7:37 PM
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Denny tells us there is a second bill also to be voted on regarding physicians for the elderly. It will cost 200B$
It is only 13 pages and can be read here:
[ link to rehberg.house.gov]
Figures, leave it to lawyers to require 13 pages to say: "Sucks to be you. Please die quietly." |
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TX PATRIOT
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 7:39 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Figures, leave it to lawyers to require 13 pages to say:
"Sucks to be you. Please die quietly." Quoting: GlassPearls
"But give us all your money first."
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KimmieAnnaJones
User ID: 772688
10/30/2009 7:44 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
OMG. Page 720 #23
‘‘(vi) uses electronic health information systems, remote monitoring, and mobile diagnostic technology; and meets such other criteria as the
Secretary determines to be appropriate to
participate in the demonstration program.
Page 1509
(1) RECOMMENDATIONS.—The HIT Policy
9 Committee established under section 3002 of the
10 Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 300jj–12)
11 shall recommend to the head of the Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology standards, implementation specifications, and
14 certification criteria for the electronic exchange and
15 use in certified electronic health records of a unique
16 device identifier for each covered device (as defined
17 under section 519(g)(1)(B) of the Federal Food,
18 Drug, and Cosmetic Act, as added by subsection
UNIQUE DEVICE IDENTIFICATION SYSTEM.—The
8 Secretary of Health and Human Services, acting through
9 the Commissioner of Food and Drugs, shall issue proposed
10 regulations to implement section 519(f) of the Federal
11 Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 360i(f)) not later than 6 months after the date of the enactment of
13 this Act.
14 SEC.
Here is your new RFID.
Last Edited by KimmieAnnaJones on 10/30/2009 at 7:57 PM
"Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come." |
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Smilin' Irish Eyes
User ID: 656642
10/30/2009 7:46 PM
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Link is compliments of Denny Rehberg, Montana's only Congressman. 1900 pages. He is vehemently AGAINST this bill:
[ link to rehberg.house.gov]
Denny tells us there is a second bill also to be voted on regarding physicians for the elderly. It will cost 200B$
It is only 13 pages and can be read here:
[ link to rehberg.house.gov]
The whole thing is so ridiculous it has become surreal.
Hard to even fathom the world they are planning for us. Seems like it is time they were all impeached; at least all those criminal enough to vote for this bill.
How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. The Merchant of Venice. Act. v. Sc. 1. W. Shakespeare |
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RememberThis
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 7:48 PM
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Gohmert's Reading Guide:
***Reading Guide—Pelosi Health “Reform” Bill ***
In order to assist Members, staff, and interested parties seeking to read and review the health “reform” legislation (H.R. 3962) introduced by House Democrats, the Republican Conference has compiled a list of important page numbers and provisions in Speaker Pelosi’s 1,990-page “Affordable Health Care for America Act:”
Page 94—Section 202(c) prohibits the sale of private individual health insurance policies, beginning in 2013, forcing individuals to purchase coverage through the federal government
Page 110—Section 222(e) requires the use of federal dollars to fund abortions through the government-run health plan—and, if the Hyde Amendment were ever not renewed, would require the plan to fund elective abortions
Page 111—Section 223 establishes a new board of federal bureaucrats (the “Health Benefits Advisory Committee”) to dictate the health plans that all individuals must purchase—and would likely require all Americans to subsidize and purchase plans that cover any abortion
Page 211—Section 321 establishes a new government-run health plan that, according to non-partisan actuaries at the HULewin GroupUH, would cause as many as 114 million Americans to lose their existing coverage
Page 225—Section 330 permits—but does not require—Members of Congress to enroll in government-run health care
Page 255—Section 345 includes language requiring verification of income for individuals wishing to receive federal health care subsidies under the bill—while the bill includes a requirement for applicants to verify their citizenship, it does not include a similar requirement to verify applicants’ identity, thus encouraging identity fraud for undocumented immigrants and others wishing to receive taxpayer-subsidized health benefits
Page 297—Section 501 imposes a 2.5 percent tax on all individuals who do not purchase “bureaucrat-approved” health insurance—the tax would apply on individuals with incomes under $250,000, thus breaking a central HUpromiseUH of then-Senator Obama’s presidential campaign
Page 313—Section 512 imposes an 8 percent “tax on jobs” for firms that cannot afford to purchase “bureaucrat-approved” health coverage; according to an HUanalysisUH by Harvard Professor Kate Baicker, such a tax would place millions “at substantial risk of unemployment”—Uwith minority workers losing their jobs at twice the rate of their white counterparts
Page 336—Section 551 imposes additional job-killing taxes, in the form of a half-trillion dollar “surcharge,” more than half of which will hit small businesses; according to a model developed by President Obama’s senior economic advisor, such taxes could cost up to 5.5 million jobs
Page 520—Section 1161 cuts more than $150 billion from Medicare Advantage plans, potentially jeopardizing millions of seniors’ existing coverage
Page 733—Section 1401 establishes a new Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research; the bill includes no provisions preventing the government-run health plan from using such research to deny access to life-saving treatments on cost grounds, similar to Britain’s National Health Service, which denies patient treatments costing more than £35,000
Page 1174—Section 1802(b) includes provisions entitled “TAXES ON CERTAIN INSURANCE POLICIES” to fund comparative effectiveness research, breaking Speaker Pelosi’s promise that “UWe will not be taxing [health] benefits in any bill that passes the HouseU,” and the President’s promise not to raise taxes on families with incomes under $250,000
### Quoting: Anonymous Coward 806528
Page 94
Page 211
Thats all I need to know..........
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~
~Why do midgets laugh when they run? Because the grass tickles their nuts~ |
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RememberThis
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 7:49 PM
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Link is compliments of Denny Rehberg, Montana's only Congressman. 1900 pages. He is vehemently AGAINST this bill:
[ link to rehberg.house.gov]
Denny tells us there is a second bill also to be voted on regarding physicians for the elderly. It will cost 200B$
It is only 13 pages and can be read here:
[ link to rehberg.house.gov]
The whole thing is so ridiculous it has become surreal.
Hard to even fathom the world they are planning for us. Seems like it is time they were all impeached; at least all those criminal enough to vote for this bill.
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~
~Why do midgets laugh when they run? Because the grass tickles their nuts~ |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 671825
10/30/2009 7:51 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Link is compliments of Denny Rehberg, Montana's only Congressman. 1900 pages. He is vehemently AGAINST this bill:
[ link to rehberg.house.gov]
Denny tells us there is a second bill also to be voted on regarding physicians for the elderly. It will cost 200B$
It is only 13 pages and can be read here:
[ link to rehberg.house.gov]
The whole thing is so ridiculous it has become surreal.
Hard to even fathom the world they are planning for us. Seems like it is time they were all impeached; at least all those criminal enough to vote for this bill.
So, it looks like the second bill regarding physicians for the elderly is ALL pretty much about price controls. I just glanced at it, but it looks like it'll pretty much seal most of our fates regarding healthcare (or the lack thereof) when we finally make it to the age of "death"...
Since physicians will basically be limited on their income, the quality of care will decline exponentially as this shit is passed. By the time we become "seniors" there won't be any real physicians left cause they'll all be controlled by the government.
Hell, about 10-15 years after this crap passes, you'll probably see your IRS auditor drawing blood as a second job...and they'll likely do it for free.
And I thought the conservatives/repubs wanted us to die quickly... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536
10/30/2009 7:55 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
oh the goodies are everywhere!
page 25 regarding the high risk pool...
If the Secretary es-
timates for any fiscal year that the aggregate
amounts available for payment of expenses of the
high-risk pool will be less than the amount of the ex-
penses, the Secretary shall make such adjustments
as are necessary to eliminate such deficit, including
reducing benefits, increasing premiums, or estab-
lishing waiting lists.
To summarize the 1900+ pages; bend over we've got a fuckin' comin and they can't afford K-Y. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 591484
Reducing benefits could equal death panel if they reduce away the particular treatment you need.
Waiting lists equals rationing.
We were told these things are not in this bill. Calling them something else doesn't change what they really are. |
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RememberThis
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 7:55 PM
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This CAN NOT be allowed to pass
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~
~Why do midgets laugh when they run? Because the grass tickles their nuts~ |
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RememberThis
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 7:56 PM
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Dammit ...Its our bodys and we dont even get to vote or join in the making of it.....
Thats genocide in a fancy wrapper
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~
~Why do midgets laugh when they run? Because the grass tickles their nuts~ |
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TX PATRIOT
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 7:57 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Page 94
Page 211
Thats all I need to know.......... Quoting: RememberThis
Agree, RT. However, it is pg 225 that just 'throwing salt in the wound', pisses me off to no end. The unmitigated fucking gall.....
It should be voted down on that clause alone.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 766131
10/30/2009 7:59 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
DON'T FORGET FOLKS:
Nazi Pelosi tried to block this Bill from being published on the net. ( I wonder why ). So she made it so long and complex nobody can read it. Nice try Nancy, YOU FAIL!
Lets find and EXPOSE the DEATH PANELS... |
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TX PATRIOT
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 8:05 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Dammit ...Its our bodys and we dont even get to vote or join in the making of it.....
Thats genocide in a fancy wrapper Quoting: RememberThis
Not one word about a national referendum from the hill. If repubs and dems really were different species, then the repubs would be calling for it.
But, alas, the light shines even brighter on the truth: it's "same-same but different" as they say in Thailand.
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RememberThis
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 8:10 PM
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Page 94
Page 211
Thats all I need to know..........
Agree, RT. However, it is pg 225 that just 'throwing salt in the wound', pisses me off to no end. The unmitigated fucking gall.....
It should be voted down on that clause alone.
. Quoting: TX PATRIOT 806528
yeah... 
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~
~Why do midgets laugh when they run? Because the grass tickles their nuts~ |
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RememberThis
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 8:11 PM
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DON'T FORGET FOLKS:
Nazi Pelosi tried to block this Bill from being published on the net. ( I wonder why ). So she made it so long and complex nobody can read it. Nice try Nancy, YOU FAIL!
Lets find and EXPOSE the DEATH PANELS... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 766131
No shit?
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~
~Why do midgets laugh when they run? Because the grass tickles their nuts~ |
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