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TX PATRIOT
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 8:20 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 591484
10/30/2009 8:23 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
oh the goodies are everywhere!
page 25 regarding the high risk pool...
If the Secretary es-
timates for any fiscal year that the aggregate
amounts available for payment of expenses of the
high-risk pool will be less than the amount of the ex-
penses, the Secretary shall make such adjustments
as are necessary to eliminate such deficit, including
reducing benefits, increasing premiums, or estab-
lishing waiting lists.
To summarize the 1900+ pages; bend over we've got a fuckin' comin and they can't afford K-Y.
Reducing benefits could equal death panel if they reduce away the particular treatment you need.
Waiting lists equals rationing.
We were told these things are not in this bill. Calling them something else doesn't change what they really are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730536
YEP!
and that's for the high risk folks so it spells death list to me!
and only another 1960+ pages to go!
what other deadly madness awaits?
I should probably self medicate before proceeding...grin.
Pelosi knew EXACTLY what she was trying to hide... bitch. |
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TX PATRIOT
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 8:24 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
And let's not forget the "Nuclear Option":
"But under reconciliation, typically used in the budget process, no filibusters are permitted and a bill can pass with just a simple majority.
Structuring the health care bill in this way allows it to be scooped up in the reconciliation process..."
[link to www.foxnews.com]
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 804864
10/30/2009 8:26 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
This'll be a tough sell.
Unconstitutional?
3 SEC. 258. APPLICATION OF STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS RE4
GARDING ABORTION.
5 (a) NO PREEMPTION OF STATE LAWS REGARDING
6 ABORTION.—Nothing in this Act shall be construed to
7 preempt or otherwise have any effect on State laws regard8
ing the prohibition of (or requirement of) coverage, fund9
ing, or procedural requirements on abortions, including
10 parental notification or consent for the performance of an
11 abortion on a minor. |
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RememberThis 
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 8:26 PM
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Quoting: TX PATRIOT 806528
wow...speechless
Were nothing but dirt.
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~ |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806823
10/30/2009 8:26 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
They are 'socializing' our health care. The most important part, folks, is that they are UNIONIZING it. I lived under it in the UK for years. You get rationing....that's a GIVEN. THEN.....try to get treatment during a 'strike'. Lots of fun, I can tell you. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 804864
10/30/2009 8:31 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
This'll be a tough sell.
Unconstitutional?
3 SEC. 258. APPLICATION OF STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS RE4
GARDING ABORTION.
5 (a) NO PREEMPTION OF STATE LAWS REGARDING
6 ABORTION.—Nothing in this Act shall be construed to
7 preempt or otherwise have any effect on State laws regard8
ing the prohibition of (or requirement of) coverage, fund9
ing, or procedural requirements on abortions, including
10 parental notification or consent for the performance of an
11 abortion on a minor. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 804864
Sorry. Thought it was over-riding states ont he first pass... |
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GlassPearls
GlassPearls
User ID: 613866
10/30/2009 8:35 PM
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Speechless is right. Worse than scary. Fuckers. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 8:36 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
wow...speechless
Were nothing but dirt. Quoting: RememberThis
Indeed.
I love this guy's comments under the article. The first makes me laugh due to his spot on simplicity. The second is an initiative that we should be tirelessly fighting for at the state levels where recall is not a law (it's a state issue, I believe).
In the UK, this is called "lack of confidence" removal (or something similar), and they exercise it quite frequently from what I have been told.
Retired CPO
Oct 6, 2009
How is my prostate or my gall bladder any business of the Government. READ ARTICLE ONE SECTION EIGHT of the the Constitution and SHOW ME (I am not even from Missouri either)where the power to regulate the practice of medicine is contained. When government can act as responsible as doctors do, it will still be too soon for them to decide the quality and type of care I should receive. Congress your yes vote for the Question or the bill or any other sneaky parliamentary method of hiding the true intent of your vote will allow you to start drawing unemployment pay in 2011. Sooner, in states with recall privileges. That is the next bill I want to see pass, and it has to pass in the various legislatures, and then by ratified in the U.S> Congress. VOte against the wishes of your constituents and lose your job.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 804864
10/30/2009 8:45 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
200+ pages of ammendments to the Indian laws.
Ya'll better read up.
Page 1636 on up. |
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susano
User ID: 758380
10/30/2009 8:53 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Some of the specifics of the bill as provided by Rep Louie Gohmert - indicating page and sections - are found here:
[ link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Also there is a SUPPLEMENTAL bill called the "doc fix", which is found here (PDF):
[ link to docs.house.gov]
Gohmert's comments about "doc fix":
There’s also a separate 13 page bill, found HERE, that repeals the sustainable growth rate caps on Medicare spending, better known as the “doc fix.” Because there is no funding to pay for this important $200 billion, the Majority resorted to using the gimmick of packaging this as a bill separate from the larger health care reform bill so that they can CLAIM they are not breaking the President’s promise to not add one dime to our deficit. Furthermore, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has priced these two bills at costing taxpayers more than $1.2 trillion, well over the President’s original target price of $900 billion!
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Fuck. I plowed through vast chunks of HR 3200 and I won't even bother with this one. More lies, deceit, CONTROL, ad nauseum.
I heard Rush Limbaugh say that it outlaws private insurance by 2013. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536
10/30/2009 9:04 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Rep Michelle Bachman (R-MN) is on Hannity right now saying the death panels, rationing, etc. are all back in including a TAX on things like pacemakers! |
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TX PATRIOT
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 9:10 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Fuck. I plowed through vast chunks of HR 3200 and I won't even bother with this one. More lies, deceit, CONTROL, ad nauseum.
I heard Rush Limbaugh say that it outlaws private insurance by 2013. Quoting: susano 758380
LOL....yep, after my page-by-page analysis of HR3200 (GLP thread somewhere), I can't bring myself to read this one either. Gohmert summed it up enough for me.
If it is like 3200, then it is the end of private insurance by slight-of-hand attrition estimated to be fully accomplished in five years.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806848
10/30/2009 9:14 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Rep Michelle Bachman just made a call out to all citizens concerned about the health bill being passed, to meet her on the Capitol steps next Thursday at noon. She basically said we need to storm the building (in a peaceful way) to stop pelosi and her cronies from passing the bill.
No link she was just on fox news,
LET'S ROLL!!!! We don't have much time left. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 709481
10/30/2009 9:16 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Rep Michelle Bachman just made a call out to all citizens concerned about the health bill being passed, to meet her on the Capitol steps next Thursday at noon. She basically said we need to storm the building (in a peaceful way) to stop pelosi and her cronies from passing the bill.
No link she was just on fox news,
LET'S ROLL!!!! We don't have much time left. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 806848
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TX PATRIOT
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 9:17 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
If it is like 3200, then it is the end of private insurance by slight-of-hand attrition estimated to be fully accomplished in five years.
. Quoting: TX PATRIOT 806528
For the record and for comparison for those who are reading this current S bill, my previous analysis of HR 3200, Section 102:
OK, so I have to pay extra taxes to opt out, but CAN I STILL HAVE MY PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE?
From Section 102, people will have the option of their CURRENT private plan - and ONLY their current plan - which will be grandfathered in but ONLY WITH THE FOLLOWING QUALIFIERS:
1. Once you lose or drop the coverage (change jobs), you are forced into the gov plan because 2. below states that no new private policies will be allowed.
2. An employer will not be able to enroll a new employee in a private policy once this bill is enacted. So, no new private policies.
3. The issuer cannot not change any of its terms or conditions, including benefits and cost-sharing, in your grandfathered policy. As soon as there are changes, the grandfather protection is no longer valid, and since there are no new private policies allowed to be written, one is forced into the gov plan.
4. Good or bad, “The Commissioner” will determine rate increases for grandfathered private policies.
Those who are selling this plan are failing to include or inform the public of the above qualifiers. These are their dishonest tactics to sell this bill and force everyone into the non-competitive gov plan in a few years: through attrition. Rather sneaky, eh?
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 805702
10/30/2009 9:17 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Will anyone actually read it? |
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RememberThis
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 9:19 PM
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Rep Michelle Bachman just made a call out to all citizens concerned about the health bill being passed, to meet her on the Capitol steps next Thursday at noon. She basically said we need to storm the building (in a peaceful way) to stop pelosi and her cronies from passing the bill.
No link she was just on fox news,
LET'S ROLL!!!! We don't have much time left.
Only a preschooler would laugh at this........
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~ |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 791835
10/30/2009 9:19 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Oh wow. The insurance companies stand to make out like bandits.
How do americans like 30% of their health care dollar going to people selling their insurance on the open market for profit?
How do you like the price fixing?
Looks like more of the same.
Reform your lobby system. How can politicians expected be accountable to people when it's corporations that fund their election campaigns?
Slaves and ignorants. Almost every one.
Meanwhile in the rest of the world, we laugh as you struggle to understand why public option single payer is the only way to go. |
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^TrInItY^ 
Forum Administrator
10/30/2009 9:20 PM
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thanks for these links OP
Few will listen,
Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.
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RememberThis
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 9:20 PM
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If it is like 3200, then it is the end of private insurance by slight-of-hand attrition estimated to be fully accomplished in five years.
.
For the record and for comparison for those who are reading this current S bill, my previous analysis of HR 3200, Section 102:
OK, so I have to pay extra taxes to opt out, but CAN I STILL HAVE MY PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE?
From Section 102, people will have the option of their CURRENT private plan - and ONLY their current plan - which will be grandfathered in but ONLY WITH THE FOLLOWING QUALIFIERS:
1. Once you lose or drop the coverage (change jobs), you are forced into the gov plan because 2. below states that no new private policies will be allowed.
2. An employer will not be able to enroll a new employee in a private policy once this bill is enacted. So, no new private policies.
3. The issuer cannot not change any of its terms or conditions, including benefits and cost-sharing, in your grandfathered policy. As soon as there are changes, the grandfather protection is no longer valid, and since there are no new private policies allowed to be written, one is forced into the gov plan.
4. Good or bad, “The Commissioner” will determine rate increases for grandfathered private policies.
Those who are selling this plan are failing to include or inform the public of the above qualifiers. These are their dishonest tactics to sell this bill and force everyone into the non-competitive gov plan in a few years: through attrition. Rather sneaky, eh?
. Quoting: TX PATRIOT 806528
GOOD POST! VIRAL
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~ |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806857
10/30/2009 9:24 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Rep Michelle Bachman just made a call out to all citizens concerned about the health bill being passed, to meet her on the Capitol steps next Thursday at noon. She basically said we need to storm the building (in a peaceful way) to stop pelosi and her cronies from passing the bill.
No link she was just on fox news,
LET'S ROLL!!!! We don't have much time left. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 806848
This is wild guys.
This bill is creating a firestorm.
( And don't forget the town halls )
Nasty Pelosis gamble to block it from being released to the public has failed.
This bill won't pass...
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806857
10/30/2009 9:27 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
If you want to see a great video that just came out tonight that exposes this health care fraud watch this.
[link to larouchepac.com] |
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RememberThis
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 9:29 PM
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Rep Michelle Bachman just made a call out to all citizens concerned about the health bill being passed, to meet her on the Capitol steps next Thursday at noon. She basically said we need to storm the building (in a peaceful way) to stop pelosi and her cronies from passing the bill.
No link she was just on fox news,
LET'S ROLL!!!! We don't have much time left.
This is wild guys.
This bill is creating a firestorm.
( And don't forget the town halls )
Nasty Pelosis gamble to block it from being released to the public has failed.
This bill won't pass...
. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 806857
This simple fact right here....should be enough to wake folks up...ya think? 
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~ |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806857
10/30/2009 9:33 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Rep Michelle Bachman just made a call out to all citizens concerned about the health bill being passed, to meet her on the Capitol steps next Thursday at noon. She basically said we need to storm the building (in a peaceful way) to stop pelosi and her cronies from passing the bill.
No link she was just on fox news,
LET'S ROLL!!!! We don't have much time left.
This is wild guys.
This bill is creating a firestorm.
( And don't forget the town halls )
Nasty Pelosis gamble to block it from being released to the public has failed.
This bill won't pass...
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This simple fact right here.... should be enough to wake folks up...ya think?
Well, everyone is dissecting this bill as we speak.
Don't forget the town halls, now 100,000 angry people will see the "death panels" in writing... |
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TX PATRIOT
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 9:34 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
GOOD POST! VIRAL
Thanks, RT, but this was from HR 3200 not the Senate version. I posted it for comparison purposes because susano mentioned the topic.
The evaluation of major parts of HR 3200 (from Sep) is in this thread if anyone is interested. (I trailed off when my head started spinning in the tax section):
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536
10/30/2009 9:37 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
This version is the true nightmare and incorporates all the worst of the others.
Page 94—Section 202(c) prohibits the sale of private individual health insurance policies, beginning in 2013, forcing individuals to purchase coverage through the federal government
They have merely taken the most extreme and Draconian of all the other bills and incorporated it into this one at the last possible minute. This was their intent all along and they have just been toying with it pretending to consider other options. |
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RememberThis
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 9:44 PM
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GOOD POST! VIRAL
Thanks, RT, but this was from HR 3200 not the Senate version. I posted it for comparison purposes because susano mentioned the topic.
The evaluation of major parts of HR 3200 (from Sep) is in this thread if anyone is interested. (I trailed off when my head started spinning in the tax section):
[ link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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LOL You said where it was from......I just missed it in the heat of the moment 
My bad :)
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~ |
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RememberThis
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 9:45 PM
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GOOD POST! VIRAL
Thanks, RT, but this was from HR 3200 not the Senate version. I posted it for comparison purposes because susano mentioned the topic.
The evaluation of major parts of HR 3200 (from Sep) is in this thread if anyone is interested. (I trailed off when my head started spinning in the tax section):
[ link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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LOL You said where it was from......I just missed it in the heat of the moment
My bad :)
I bet its in there tho.......somewhere in that bloated epic document LOL
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~ |
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RememberThis
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 9:47 PM
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This version is the true nightmare and incorporates all the worst of the others.
Page 94—Section 202(c) prohibits the sale of private individual health insurance policies, beginning in 2013, forcing individuals to purchase coverage through the federal government
They have merely taken the most extreme and Draconian of all the other bills and incorporated it into this one at the last possible minute. This was their intent all along and they have just been toying with it pretending to consider other options. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730536
In a nutshell......If this happens , myself and my wife......are dead.
They will never cover what we need.
The final nail in the coffin of the nuclear generation
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~
"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~
~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~ |
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