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TX PATRIOT
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 9:55 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

This version is the true nightmare and incorporates all the worst of the others.

Page 94—Section 202(c) prohibits the sale of private individual health insurance policies, beginning in 2013, forcing individuals to purchase coverage through the federal government


They have merely taken the most extreme and Draconian of all the other bills and incorporated it into this one at the last possible minute. This was their intent all along and they have just been toying with it pretending to consider other options.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730536


Well there ya fuckin' go...in black and white for all to see. No fuckin' wonder Nazi Piglosi fought to keep this bill from being published prior to vote.

Fuckers all.

Many thanks for the bill language, AC.

/
DEDALO
User ID: 786569
10/30/2009 9:57 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

[link to pimpinturtle.com]

Little gems from the Health Care Bill
Free Republic

• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.

• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
RememberThis Subscriber
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 9:57 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

Im truly scared now.....
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~

"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~

~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~
TX PATRIOT
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 9:58 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

This version is the true nightmare and incorporates all the worst of the others.

Page 94—Section 202(c) prohibits the sale of private individual health insurance policies, beginning in 2013, forcing individuals to purchase coverage through the federal government


They have merely taken the most extreme and Draconian of all the other bills and incorporated it into this one at the last possible minute. This was their intent all along and they have just been toying with it pretending to consider other options.


Well there ya fuckin' go...in black and white for all to see. No fuckin' wonder Nazi Piglosi fought to keep this bill from being published prior to vote.

Fuckers all.

Many thanks for the bill language, AC.

/
 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 806528


Ummm...sorry about my language ^^. The "heat of the moment" thing to which RT referred earlier. =P

/
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 739419
10/30/2009 9:58 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

Amazing!
These fucking traitor democrats think they OWN us!
Quite frankly starting to kill off members of congress is the only solution.
Obviously voting doesn't matter, does it?
RememberThis Subscriber
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 9:59 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

[link to pimpinturtle.com]

Little gems from the Health Care Bill
Free Republic

• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.

• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
 Quoting: DEDALO 786569

Free for lawbreakers! wtfsht page 50...

Last Edited by RememberThis on 10/30/2009 at 9:59 PM
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~

"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~

~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~
RememberThis Subscriber
Oh Shit!
User ID: 805084
10/30/2009 10:00 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

This version is the true nightmare and incorporates all the worst of the others.

Page 94—Section 202(c) prohibits the sale of private individual health insurance policies, beginning in 2013, forcing individuals to purchase coverage through the federal government


They have merely taken the most extreme and Draconian of all the other bills and incorporated it into this one at the last possible minute. This was their intent all along and they have just been toying with it pretending to consider other options.


Well there ya fuckin' go...in black and white for all to see. No fuckin' wonder Nazi Piglosi fought to keep this bill from being published prior to vote.

Fuckers all.

Many thanks for the bill language, AC.

/


Ummm...sorry about my language ^^. The "heat of the moment" thing to which RT referred earlier. =P

/
 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 806528

Considering what were up against it was quite restrained :)
"Got myself a one way ticket, goin' the wrong way". ~Bon Scott~

"21 gun Salute, Kills 21 People" ~George Carlin~

~Beer: Helping white men dance since 1856~
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536
10/30/2009 10:03 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

And all of this to only cover ten percent of the population?

Just how stupid do they think we are to fall for this? Maybe they should have given the fluoride a few more years to kick in because people would have to be insane to support this.
TX PATRIOT
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 10:05 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

[link to pimpinturtle.com]

Little gems from the Health Care Bill
Free Republic

• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!


<snip>
 Quoting: DEDALO 786569


The above was from HR 3200 not the current Senate bill. The text you quoted was posted on the Free Republic site on 07/24/2009.

.
TX PATRIOT
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 10:08 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

Considering what were up against it was quite restrained :)
 Quoting: RememberThis


All considering, yep, I suppose you are right!
.
TX PATRIOT
User ID: 806528
10/30/2009 10:12 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

Amazing!
These fucking traitor democrats think they OWN us!
Quite frankly starting to kill off members of congress is the only solution.
Obviously voting doesn't matter, does it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 739419


We need "lack of confidence" removal procedures in every state with easy enactment by The People when needed...similar to that/those in the UK. Can you believe they have better laws in this area than the US??!! Difficult to believe myself but they do.

.
Bluebird Subscriber
User ID: 730536
10/30/2009 10:36 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

Gohmert's Reading Guide:

***Reading Guide—Pelosi Health “Reform” Bill ***
In order to assist Members, staff, and interested parties seeking to read and review the health “reform” legislation (H.R. 3962) introduced by House Democrats, the Republican Conference has compiled a list of important page numbers and provisions in Speaker Pelosi’s 1,990-page “Affordable Health Care for America Act:”

Page 94—Section 202(c) prohibits the sale of private individual health insurance policies, beginning in 2013, forcing individuals to purchase coverage through the federal government

Page 110—Section 222(e) requires the use of federal dollars to fund abortions through the government-run health plan—and, if the Hyde Amendment were ever not renewed, would require the plan to fund elective abortions

Page 111—Section 223 establishes a new board of federal bureaucrats (the “Health Benefits Advisory Committee”) to dictate the health plans that all individuals must purchase—and would likely require all Americans to subsidize and purchase plans that cover any abortion

Page 211—Section 321 establishes a new government-run health plan that, according to non-partisan actuaries at the HULewin GroupUH, would cause as many as 114 million Americans to lose their existing coverage

Page 225—Section 330 permits—but does not require—Members of Congress to enroll in government-run health care

Page 255—Section 345 includes language requiring verification of income for individuals wishing to receive federal health care subsidies under the bill—while the bill includes a requirement for applicants to verify their citizenship, it does not include a similar requirement to verify applicants’ identity, thus encouraging identity fraud for undocumented immigrants and others wishing to receive taxpayer-subsidized health benefits

Page 297—Section 501 imposes a 2.5 percent tax on all individuals who do not purchase “bureaucrat-approved” health insurance—the tax would apply on individuals with incomes under $250,000, thus breaking a central HUpromiseUH of then-Senator Obama’s presidential campaign

Page 313—Section 512 imposes an 8 percent “tax on jobs” for firms that cannot afford to purchase “bureaucrat-approved” health coverage; according to an HUanalysisUH by Harvard Professor Kate Baicker, such a tax would place millions “at substantial risk of unemployment”—Uwith minority workers losing their jobs at twice the rate of their white counterparts

Page 336—Section 551 imposes additional job-killing taxes, in the form of a half-trillion dollar “surcharge,” more than half of which will hit small businesses; according to a model developed by President Obama’s senior economic advisor, such taxes could cost up to 5.5 million jobs

Page 520—Section 1161 cuts more than $150 billion from Medicare Advantage plans, potentially jeopardizing millions of seniors’ existing coverage

Page 733—Section 1401 establishes a new Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research; the bill includes no provisions preventing the government-run health plan from using such research to deny access to life-saving treatments on cost grounds, similar to Britain’s National Health Service, which denies patient treatments costing more than £35,000

Page 1174—Section 1802(b) includes provisions entitled “TAXES ON CERTAIN INSURANCE POLICIES” to fund comparative effectiveness research, breaking Speaker Pelosi’s promise that “UWe will not be taxing [health] benefits in any bill that passes the HouseU,” and the President’s promise not to raise taxes on families with incomes under $250,000


###



This is the list from the "new" bill being touted by Pelosi yesterday.

Please post more details as they are read or otherwise confirmed as being in this revised form of the prior bills. It appears they have taken the worst of the worst from all of them and rolled them into one big shitwad!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 806528
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 791835
10/30/2009 10:38 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

so predictable.

lobby pays both sides.

bill gets poisoned.

neither side can vote for it

criminals win

........................

how about regulations for credit default swaps/derivatives?

lobby pays both sides

bill gets poisoned.

neither side can vote for it

criminals win.

........................

lesson to be learned? don't let corporations buy your politicians. obviously they are in it for short term profits for shareholders.

what makes corporations think about the long term?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 791835
10/30/2009 10:41 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

how many Canadians/Europeans here would give up their primary health care for the system the US has right now??
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 804328
10/30/2009 10:54 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

are we ready to march patriots?

they're expecting to vote on this next week... hiding
Bluebird Subscriber
User ID: 730536
10/30/2009 10:54 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

94
1 (c) LIMITATION ON INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE
2 COVERAGE.—
3 (1) IN GENERAL.—Individual health insurance
4 coverage that is not grandfathered health insurance
5 coverage under subsection (a) may only be offered
6 on or after the first day of Y1 as an Exchange-par7
ticipating health benefits plan.
8 (2) SEPARATE, EXCEPTED COVERAGE PER9
MITTED.—Nothing in—
10 (A) paragraph (1) shall prevent the offer11
ing of excepted benefits described in section
12 2791(c) of the Public Health Service Act so
13 long as such benefits are offered outside the
14 Health Insurance Exchange and are priced sep15
arately from health insurance coverage; and
16 (B) this division shall be construed—
17 (i) to prevent the offering of a stand18
alone plan that offers coverage of excepted
19 benefits described in section 2791(c)(2)(A)
20 of the Public Health Service Act (relating
21 to limited scope dental or vision benefits)
22 for individuals and families from a State23
licensed dental and vision carrier; or
24 (ii) as applying requirements for a
25 qualified health benefits plan to such a
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1 stand-alone plan that is offered and priced
2 separately from a qualified health benefits
3 plan.



There is the part about it being illegal to sell new private insurance policies.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 630893
10/30/2009 11:03 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

Rep Michelle Bachman just made a call out to all citizens concerned about the health bill being passed, to meet her on the Capitol steps next Thursday at noon. She basically said we need to storm the building (in a peaceful way) to stop pelosi and her cronies from passing the bill.
No link she was just on fox news,

LET'S ROLL!!!! We don't have much time left.


laugh

Only a preschooler would laugh at this........
 Quoting: RememberThis


This won't happen. It's not realistic.
KimmieAnnaJones
User ID: 772688
10/30/2009 11:03 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

This version is the true nightmare and incorporates all the worst of the others.

Page 94—Section 202(c) prohibits the sale of private individual health insurance policies, beginning in 2013, forcing individuals to purchase coverage through the federal government


They have merely taken the most extreme and Draconian of all the other bills and incorporated it into this one at the last possible minute. This was their intent all along and they have just been toying with it pretending to consider other options.


Well there ya fuckin' go...in black and white for all to see. No fuckin' wonder Nazi Piglosi fought to keep this bill from being published prior to vote.

Fuckers all.

Many thanks for the bill language, AC.

/
 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 806528

Obama......... YOU LIE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come."
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 794136
10/30/2009 11:05 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

And this whole clusterfuck is costing taxpayers $2.2 million a word!
KimmieAnnaJones
User ID: 772688
10/30/2009 11:11 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

[link to pimpinturtle.com]

Little gems from the Health Care Bill
Free Republic

• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.

• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
 Quoting: DEDALO 786569

When comparing the subject seen here to the page numbers at [link to rehberg.house.gov]
I am not seeing what is printed here.
"Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come."
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 801926
10/30/2009 11:14 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

I think this will come down to a lynching.
anonanon
User ID: 806929
10/30/2009 11:15 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

The administrative and agency costs of this sucker will be more than the cost of any health care actually provided.

Nothing that takes 2000 pages to explain and written in legislative babble and legalese, can be any good for most of us.

Best we can hope for now is that enough people write their representatives and senators on a daily basis objecting to it.

They could easily done insurance reforms for consumers in a few pages and provided a sliding scale subsidy for taxpayers which would make more sense than this monster bill.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 735245
10/30/2009 11:48 PM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

[link to pimpinturtle.com]

Little gems from the Health Care Bill
Free Republic

• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.

• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

When comparing the subject seen here to the page numbers at [link to rehberg.house.gov]
I am not seeing what is printed here.
 Quoting: KimmieAnnaJones


Same here. This is out dated material.
SouthernLight Subscriber
User ID: 805179
10/31/2009 12:07 AM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

No shit?



One article of many:

[link to www.washingtonexaminer.com]

.
 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 806528


th2009
"Well behaved women rarely make history."
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 765854
10/31/2009 12:08 AM
Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE**Quote

[link to pimpinturtle.com]

Little gems from the Health Care Bill
Free Republic

• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
• Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.

• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

When comparing the subject seen here to the page numbers at [link to rehberg.house.gov]
I am not seeing what is printed here.


Same here. This is out dated material.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 735245


This is outdated. It's the "translation" from the LAST health care "reform" proposal. I remember reading it. I don't think anyone has had time to finish reading the new one yet. I'm sure it's probably all the same, just on different pages. :-)
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536
10/31/2009 12:19 AM
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The items highlighted in the NEW bill have been posted twice in this thread. The old one is from the first version.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536
10/31/2009 12:21 AM
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Gohmert's Reading Guide:

***Reading Guide—Pelosi Health “Reform” Bill ***
In order to assist Members, staff, and interested parties seeking to read and review the health “reform” legislation (H.R. 3962) introduced by House Democrats, the Republican Conference has compiled a list of important page numbers and provisions in Speaker Pelosi’s 1,990-page “Affordable Health Care for America Act:”

Page 94—Section 202(c) prohibits the sale of private individual health insurance policies, beginning in 2013, forcing individuals to purchase coverage through the federal government

Page 110—Section 222(e) requires the use of federal dollars to fund abortions through the government-run health plan—and, if the Hyde Amendment were ever not renewed, would require the plan to fund elective abortions

Page 111—Section 223 establishes a new board of federal bureaucrats (the “Health Benefits Advisory Committee”) to dictate the health plans that all individuals must purchase—and would likely require all Americans to subsidize and purchase plans that cover any abortion

Page 211—Section 321 establishes a new government-run health plan that, according to non-partisan actuaries at the HULewin GroupUH, would cause as many as 114 million Americans to lose their existing coverage

Page 225—Section 330 permits—but does not require—Members of Congress to enroll in government-run health care

Page 255—Section 345 includes language requiring verification of income for individuals wishing to receive federal health care subsidies under the bill—while the bill includes a requirement for applicants to verify their citizenship, it does not include a similar requirement to verify applicants’ identity, thus encouraging identity fraud for undocumented immigrants and others wishing to receive taxpayer-subsidized health benefits

Page 297—Section 501 imposes a 2.5 percent tax on all individuals who do not purchase “bureaucrat-approved” health insurance—the tax would apply on individuals with incomes under $250,000, thus breaking a central HUpromiseUH of then-Senator Obama’s presidential campaign

Page 313—Section 512 imposes an 8 percent “tax on jobs” for firms that cannot afford to purchase “bureaucrat-approved” health coverage; according to an HUanalysisUH by Harvard Professor Kate Baicker, such a tax would place millions “at substantial risk of unemployment”—Uwith minority workers losing their jobs at twice the rate of their white counterparts

Page 336—Section 551 imposes additional job-killing taxes, in the form of a half-trillion dollar “surcharge,” more than half of which will hit small businesses; according to a model developed by President Obama’s senior economic advisor, such taxes could cost up to 5.5 million jobs

Page 520—Section 1161 cuts more than $150 billion from Medicare Advantage plans, potentially jeopardizing millions of seniors’ existing coverage

Page 733—Section 1401 establishes a new Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research; the bill includes no provisions preventing the government-run health plan from using such research to deny access to life-saving treatments on cost grounds, similar to Britain’s National Health Service, which denies patient treatments costing more than £35,000

Page 1174—Section 1802(b) includes provisions entitled “TAXES ON CERTAIN INSURANCE POLICIES” to fund comparative effectiveness research, breaking Speaker Pelosi’s promise that “UWe will not be taxing [health] benefits in any bill that passes the HouseU,” and the President’s promise not to raise taxes on families with incomes under $250,000


###



This is the list from the "new" bill being touted by Pelosi yesterday.

Please post more details as they are read or otherwise confirmed as being in this revised form of the prior bills. It appears they have taken the worst of the worst from all of them and rolled them into one big shitwad!
 Quoting: Bluebird





This is the list on the NEW bill. All that has been highlighted so far but am sure more will come later.


The longer list is from the first version and is outdated. The new one takes the worst of all the previous bills and rolls it into one.

Hope this helps.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 657892
10/31/2009 12:35 AM
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Prague is nice............
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 537265 (OP)
10/31/2009 2:05 AM
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This has nothing to do with healthcare, and everything to do with making us absolute slaves.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 807005
10/31/2009 2:16 AM
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it seems like people are just going to have to go alternative and follow what the asians/indians do to improve their quality of life.
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