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Sandpiper
User ID: 807701
11/1/2009 1:47 AM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
I will bet you not one a**hole has any knowledge what this thing says. We have a group of retards and idiots running our lives. Time to get them out and send them back to their "funny farms". I never understood "lawyer talk". |
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ShadowDancer
User ID: 287857
11/1/2009 1:53 AM
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TO GET AN IDEA OF HOW IT WILL BE GO AND VISIT A VETERAN HOSPITAL
walk around and sit in a chair and watch
It will BECOME READILY APPARENT THAT GOVT RUN HEALTHCARE REGARDLESS OF GOOD INTENT OR NOT
S U C K S
really bad
I did PRN for about 12 yrs there and it is going to be egregious for many even those who have no insurance
when they find out they were given experimental...and when they need treatment for many conditions and their committee turns them down-GOOD LUCK GETTING IT CORRECTED OR CHANGED BEFORE YOU DIE
As the middle class is bled dry they will also collapse leading to the system collapsing into 3rd world levels.
By being under their plan...YOU WILL BE CONSENTING TO ALL KINDS OF STUFF YOU WOULD NOT CONSENT TO IF INFORMED IMHO
tenured employees I can remember that were very good and others there who I would not allow to work on my case or whatever if I had been in...I wasn't but I saw stuff that would curl the straightest hair...and remember Walter Reed or KC VA-the infestation, the violations, the ceo being caught in a scene like george michael-with that kind of corruption you can be sure it will be just as bad.
Very dirty...patients infested in both of the ones mentioned AS WELL AS OTHERS
They had to spend a bundle to clean them up and correct...
More hospitals have been bought out by big cWHOREporations...and they have tried to appear as progressive and for the patient but the change has been to more PROFIT GEARED
That is the truth-many freezes and hiring freezes/shortages of supplies or dept stealing them from another-you add 30 mil more and it will COLLAPSE
additionally, you will still not of covered all...as in MASS they have this problem already...
Many excellent professionals ARE LEAVING THE FIELD AND WILL NOT ACCEPT A FORCED VACCINE
they will go on disabilty as many are already disabled with back or neck injuries-and the asses are getting wider on many...figure it out
Reform absolutely needs to be done-get all children who are uninsured insurance-correct the errors in PHARMA and Insurance and DO NOT LET THEM WRITE THE BILL
Any rep or sen that cannot read it and signs for it needs to be impeached or removed from office with voting-
The people need to come together and pool resources and buy a media point of access for those who are unsatisfied with the canned spam offered as news...letters need to be written preferably by actual letter-electronic does not inundate these A Clowns but written letters do...call public radio or public and even a name or a comment can make many think...and they need to for their very lives ARE ON THE LINE
If you research HMOs...you will find no govt wants to discuss public healthcare as the cost is out there and they really do not care about us-most of them really do NOT...
HMOs were frowned upon by Nixon and he was not interested at all...until they could show nixon that they could make MORE MONEY, providing LESS CARE FOR THE PATIENT-MORE PROFIT FOR GOVT AND INSURANCE...AND "CLINIC" SUCH AS KAISER PERMANENTE-
I worked at many of them in different states...it was true-many pt barely had concerns addressed-shoved out of rooms too fast and not satisfied....ignored aas the docs were like in a sardine can treating people like numbers more and more-when mistakes were made-it took way too long to get it corrected...so many issues...TRULY...even the filing system was abysmal...whacked...lost records and as they started to fail more and more...as it was bled more and more by trustees...well, patient care went DOWNHILL
free insurance is not all that if it kills you or permanently ruins you and your health or denies its culpability in harming you-a Corpus Delecti for sure is brushed under the rug...and you die...and they PROFIT
It is sad and it is the truth-disgusting IMHO
truly sickening as the bait and switch is used on the cattle, the sheep and the eagles as well... Quoting: ShadowDancer
over 30 yrs in healthcare as a professional
over 10 in PRN at the VAS in KC...There I also worked about 10 other hospitals -then hospitals started getting crimped by feds...shutting down-reorganizing...hiring freezes-less skilled workers sought as they are weak in SKILLS and when someone starts to crash-well, many of the poorly skilled will NOT HANDLE IT AS THEY SHOULD....
believe as you will-I would like everyone to be helped but NOT BY GOVT
as they WILL ONLY BE HELPING THEMSELVES TO YOU, YOUR HEALTH, YOUR LIFE, your worth< your credit-IF IT IS WORTH IT-what can you give them-AND POOR PEOPLE WILL NOT BE GETTING THE CARE THEY SEEM TO THINK-SADLY MANY OF THEM HAVE been seriously dumbed down-
if the politicians are that ignorant to sign a 2000+ psge document that they cannot read nor according to them understand...naturally, as the PHARMA and INSURANCE agencies wrote most of it-that is the truth
Who is stupid enough to actually thing they can run it even as well as other programs they have run...like the failing social security, the dysfunctional VAs we have repeatedly heard about in the news...like the lap tops that have disappeared and had CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION OF VETERANS ON THEM...that kind of "protection" I do not need...like medicaid or medicare...or their CPS protecting children from all the bad parents and lo and behold the officials are sexually exploiting the children-which state...take your pick...TX, Georgia, Florida, Illinois, Colorado...oh the list is even longer folks-yeah trust them and pay the PRICE and it will be far greater than their stories of reduced costs...as they fine and tax the hell out of everyone until there is no one here but nanny world droids
I have read the last one and I am around 600+ pages now...and I can honestly say it is not the POOR people getting healthcare-not at all-it is the poor getting raped more than are already and the middle class being raped until they are paupers-most middle class are barely hanging on-and guess what many that are called "middle class" do not even have health insurance
Easy with little to look at one enjoying a piece of bread and thinking they have come by the bread easily-little do they realize as they can only view it from a point of lack and that includes whatever another had to struggle through to get the bread-but they only grasp their own hunger...
Many medical personnel have injuries to back and neck-MANY and many struggle to do the jobs they do lifting MORBIDLY obese folks...250,350,430,450,475,525,635...oh yeah...and if those folks think bogbother is going to take care of them when they can not bend at the waste-think again...your "credits" will be based on what YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE...
resources will be at quite a PREMIUM and those who contribute little will get little as this is not some charitable act-no not at all it is all about CONTROL and accomplishing their 90% reduction in population...
Better wake up folks, this is not fantasy nor is it as they try to say...they want to carry tehir "Ecoscience" and EUGENICS forward and be VERY EFFECTIVE
and it would appear many are going to get their "free health care"...once you are DEAD-you are FREE...
TRUTH 
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"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
~Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
There is little gain in attempting to change external conditions, you must first change the core of inner beliefs, naturally outer conditions will change accordingly.
BECOME it to achieve it.
Wisdom strengthened the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. Ecclesiastes 7:19
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 794732
11/1/2009 3:11 AM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
UNBELIEVABLE!!! Wow even the extremely poor are screwed here! Page 252 If your income is lower then the starting level of 133 % of poverty level you will be subject and considered at the 133%- 150% level anyway and you will pay 1.5 % of the premium the first year 2% 2nd year and 3 % the third year not to exceed 500 bucks Well excuse me Mr. president but someone earning Less than the poverty level of roughly 10,000 a year does not have 500 fucking dollars!
This is even screwing the poorest of the poor OMG! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 794732
11/1/2009 3:15 AM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
So my mentally disabled son who gets a check of about 550 a month is going to have to cough up 1 % of that check and 2% 2nd year and 3% the third. Well he is very autistic maybe he wont notice the lack of food..... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 794732
11/1/2009 3:25 AM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
On further reading it looks like that out of pocket maximum goes up each year also...this is going to be a nightmare for a lot of people I know.. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 794732
11/1/2009 3:28 AM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
so take someone like my son he get roughly 7000 a year. He will have to cough up the premiums...not to exceed 500 hundred a year... Ok say he does that, now where is he going to get the money for his deductable and co pay.... He will never get to see a doctor again thats where! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 807119
11/1/2009 4:15 AM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Premiums + Deductibles + Co-pays
For the unemployed, and low and fixed income
If one doesn't pay the premiums OR the "opt-out" fines, then no coverage AND one becomes a criminal with up to a $25K additional fine and a potential jail sentence....all policed by the IRS (a private corporation)
( [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Yeah, the "Progressives" (cough) REALLY know how to take care of the less advantaged.
I hope everyone - irrespective of political bent and income - sees this for what it is:
A transfer of wealth and power from The People to the gov...
...and nothing to do with health care or assisting the financially less advantaged.
If the latter were their goals, then they would fix the current programs first and restructure the programs to include those not covered.
But they aren't. Ask yourself and your Senators: "Why not?"
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 805575
11/1/2009 7:10 AM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
UNBELIEVABLE!!! Wow even the extremely poor are screwed here! Page 252 If your income is lower then the starting level of 133 % of poverty level you will be subject and considered at the 133%- 150% level anyway and you will pay 1.5 % of the premium the first year 2% 2nd year and 3 % the third year not to exceed 500 bucks Well excuse me Mr. president but someone earning Less than the poverty level of roughly 10,000 a year does not have 500 fucking dollars!
This is even screwing the poorest of the poor OMG! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 794732
So much for free healthcare for the poor!
The Bamsters numbers are actually up since thing came out.
LOL!!! Oh my Lord, are people really this stupid?
I give up. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 807816
11/1/2009 7:27 AM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
goodk, fat status quo types have lost anywho |
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Chiox 
User ID: 688004
11/1/2009 7:33 AM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
House Health Care Bill - 1,990 Pages
Required to read before voting:
72 hours to read
less 8 hours (to eat & sleep) x 3 days
divided by 8 hours to read or 2,880 minutes
or 1 minute, 26 seconds per page
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 807818
11/1/2009 7:38 AM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
UNBELIEVABLE!!! Wow even the extremely poor are screwed here! Page 252 If your income is lower then the starting level of 133 % of poverty level you will be subject and considered at the 133%- 150% level anyway and you will pay 1.5 % of the premium the first year 2% 2nd year and 3 % the third year not to exceed 500 bucks Well excuse me Mr. president but someone earning Less than the poverty level of roughly 10,000 a year does not have 500 fucking dollars!
This is even screwing the poorest of the poor OMG!
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So much for free healthcare for the poor!
The Bamsters numbers are actually up since thing came out.
LOL!!! Oh my Lord, are people really this stupid?
I give up. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 805575
No, the poor aren't stupid, but if even we, who can't fully understand the impact that this "free" Obamacare system will have on our individual liberties, how do you expect them to? They only hear what the whore media tells them and what their leader, Obama, tells them.
Oh, if they only knew about GLP! The poorest of the poor would rise up enmasse against those they trust who would do this to them. They have nothing left to lose while many of us are still hanging on by a thread. Enter, pneumonic plague. Mass burials for the poor, WalMart caskets for the rest.
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Chiox
User ID: 688004
11/1/2009 7:49 AM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) announced that the health care legislation he is drafting will include a government-run health insurance plan, or as many on the left like to call it “the public option.” The new wrinkle that Reid has thrown into the proposal is an “opt out” clause which would require states to pass legislation by 2014 rejecting participation in the federal government run plan. None of the committees in the House or Senate ever even voted on this new opt out scheme. But that does not really matter. Whether it is first implemented through a co-op, or a trigger, or an opt out, the end goal is the same: government-run health care for all Americans.
Hotel Harry Reid: Reid provided very few details for his “opt out” proposal, but here is what we do know: the government run plan would be available on the first day that major provisions of Obamacare would take effect in 2013, and states would have until 2014 to pass legislation declining participation in the program. This means that a one-vote majority of obstructionists in one chamber of a state legislature, by refusing to act, can consign a state’s residents to an eternity of government-run health care. In 17 states Democrats control both houses of the legislature and the state house. In another 24, Democrats control at least one legislative chamber or the governor’s mansion. That leaves a total of only 9 states where Republicans run the entire show — Texas, Utah, South Carolina, South Dakota, North Dakota, Missouri, Idaho, Florida, and Georgia. That means Americans in 41 states are all but guaranteed to have no choice but to endure the government run health plan. What opt out really means is: You’re already checked in, and if you don’t do so by 2014, you can never leave.
The Co-op Co-opt: Sens. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and Kent Conrad (D-ND) have both pushed slightly different plans they both call co-ops. However, they both share the same fundamental flaws: advantageous federal funding and regulation designed to tilt the playing field in their direction. Heritage fellows Edmund Haislmaier, Dennis Smith, and Nina Owcharenko have explained why this model is guaranteed to fail: “Simply calling some form of a government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) a “cooperative,” for instance, would be only another type of public plan in disguise. … One need look no further than Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to see how GSEs can distort the market and leave taxpayers with huge liabilities. Decades of market distortions generated by their implicit government backing, compounded by the effects of repeated political meddling by Congress, put those GSEs at the very epicenter of the mortgage market collapse that triggered the current financial crisis and recession.”
The Trigger Trap: A trigger is a legislative tool that would put in place automatic benchmarks that if not met, would immediately unleash the government-run system into the market. For example, if 95% of Americans as defined by the bill, don’t have adequate health coverage by a certain date, the public option would be “triggered.” What a trigger does is hold off the tough decision until future, uncertain circumstances. The public option would essentially become law today, but not go into effect until an undetermined time when economic conditions could be even worse. Had Congress enacted a trigger to save Clintoncare, the trigger would have forced states to implement HMOs at exactly the time everyone was moving away from that overly rigid version of managed care. We don’t want to repeat that mistake. It is a travesty of democracy because it allows legislators to vote for a plan now, but passes the blame for the catastrophic consequences onto their successors.
Throughout the legislative process the White House has coyly denied that the establishment of a government run health plan was essential to their health care plan. But in 2003, President Barack Obama told the AFL-CIO: “I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer universal health care program. … And that’s what Jim is talking about when he says everybody in, nobody out. A single-payer health care plan, a universal health care plan. And that’s what I’d like to see. But as all of you know, we may not get there immediately.” Opt out, the trigger, and co ops will not get to government run health care immediately. They will all take time to develop. But no matter what road they try and bring Americans down, the destination is always the same: everybody in out, nobody out; that is, was, and always will be Obama’s ultimate goal.
Secret Obamacare Senate Negotiations End on Day 13 – Reid Announces Deal
[link to blog.heritage.org]
AARP: Reform advocate and insurance salesman
Seniors group makes millions from royalties on health plans
[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 660203
11/1/2009 10:13 AM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Obviously then, the health care bill isn't about anyone's health at all. Well, maybe it is, as in causing heart attacks, strokes, stress related disorders, Quoting: Texas Uncensored
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 794732
11/1/2009 10:41 AM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
UNBELIEVABLE!!! Wow even the extremely poor are screwed here! Page 252 If your income is lower then the starting level of 133 % of poverty level you will be subject and considered at the 133%- 150% level anyway and you will pay 1.5 % of the premium the first year 2% 2nd year and 3 % the third year not to exceed 500 bucks Well excuse me Mr. president but someone earning Less than the poverty level of roughly 10,000 a year does not have 500 fucking dollars!
This is even screwing the poorest of the poor OMG! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 794732
It also state that those premium maxes are for individuals and that a family max will be double that..... OH ya so a single mom or dad making 10,000 or less a year have a max premium the FIRST year of 1,000 bucks. This is so fucked up! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 550635
11/1/2009 1:03 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
We need a 50,000,000 man march on DC this time. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 608696
11/1/2009 1:22 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
There seems to be quite a bit of confusion on this thread as to what the House Bill # is for this NEW Healthcare Reform Bill. Perhaps if someone would post the bill number it would end that confusion? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 608696
11/1/2009 1:25 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
The NEW Healthcare Reform Bill # is HR 3962. I repeat, the bill # is HR 3962. I repeat again, the new bill # is HR 3962! Do not confuse this with HR 3200, or else you look and sound stupid. Thank you! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 656642
11/1/2009 1:58 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
UNBELIEVABLE!!! Wow even the extremely poor are screwed here! Page 252 If your income is lower then the starting level of 133 % of poverty level you will be subject and considered at the 133%- 150% level anyway and you will pay 1.5 % of the premium the first year 2% 2nd year and 3 % the third year not to exceed 500 bucks Well excuse me Mr. president but someone earning Less than the poverty level of roughly 10,000 a year does not have 500 fucking dollars!
This is even screwing the poorest of the poor OMG!
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So much for free healthcare for the poor!
The Bamsters numbers are actually up since thing came out.
LOL!!! Oh my Lord, are people really this stupid?
I give up.
No, the poor aren't stupid, but if even we, who can't fully understand the impact that this "free" Obamacare system will have on our individual liberties, how do you expect them to? They only hear what the whore media tells them and what their leader, Obama, tells them.
Oh, if they only knew about GLP! The poorest of the poor would rise up enmasse against those they trust who would do this to them. They have nothing left to lose while many of us are still hanging on by a thread. Enter, pneumonic plague. Mass burials for the poor, WalMart caskets for the rest.
. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 807818
Sad isn't it? Anyone who dares to speak ill of this administration is painted as either a shill or uncharitable. The media ensures that the portrayal of this bill is done only in the best light possible.
As many have said, this bill is equivalent to throwing a car (present healthcare coverage) because it needs an alignment, some minor bodywork and the oil and air filters changed.
*Shaking head* I truly fear for our country as many don't see/comprehend the course our country is on. Once it does become apparent there will be plenty of doom for GLP to post about. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 656642
11/1/2009 2:04 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
The NEW Healthcare Reform Bill # is HR 3962. I repeat, the bill # is HR 3962. I repeat again, the new bill # is HR 3962! Do not confuse this with HR 3200, or else you look and sound stupid. Thank you! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 608696
Thanks, pulled up it from Thomas.gov.
Here's the link
[link to www.thomas.gov]
Love how each section has run around language (read this section to understand that section) and is legalese. Whatever happened to the law that health insurance evidence of coverage is to be in plain English?
Example of run around language:
(c) Specification of Benefit Levels for Plans-
(1) IN GENERAL- The Commissioner shall establish the following standards consistent with this subsection and title II:
(A) BASIC, ENHANCED, AND PREMIUM PLANS- Standards for 3 levels of Exchange-participating health benefits plans: basic, enhanced, and premium (in this division referred to as a `basic plan', `enhanced plan', and `premium plan', respectively).
(B) PREMIUM-PLUS PLAN BENEFITS- Standards for additional benefits that may be offered, consistent with this subsection and subtitle C of title II, under a premium plan (such a plan with additional benefits referred to in this division as a `premium-plus plan') .
(2) BASIC PLAN-
(A) IN GENERAL- A basic plan shall offer the essential benefits package required under title II for a qualified health benefits plan with an actuarial value of 70 percent of the full actuarial value of the benefits provided under the reference benefits package.
(B) TIERED COST-SHARING FOR AFFORDABLE CREDIT ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS- In the case of an affordable credit eligible individual (as defined in section 342(a)(1)) enrolled in an Exchange-participating health benefits plan, the benefits under a basic plan are modified to provide for the reduced cost-sharing for the income tier applicable to the individual under section 324(c).
(3) ENHANCED PLAN- An enhanced plan shall offer, in addition to the level of benefits under the basic plan, a lower level of cost-sharing as provided under title II consistent with section 223(b)(5)(A).
(4) PREMIUM PLAN- A premium plan shall offer, in addition to the level of benefits under the basic plan, a lower level of cost-sharing as provided under title II consistent with section 223(b)(5)(B).
(5) PREMIUM-PLUS PLAN- A premium-plus plan is a premium plan that also provides additional benefits, such as adult oral health and vision care, approved by the Commissioner. The portion of the premium that is attributable to such additional benefits shall be separately specified. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 656642
11/1/2009 2:08 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Want to know what other crap is being worked on that isn't getting as much coverage, keep up on Thomas.gov.
[link to www.thomas.gov] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808060
11/1/2009 2:47 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Here's some irony for you.
Remember all the pundits comparing Obama to Abraham Lincoln?
Here, Obama is about to complete what Lincoln started -- the transfer of all power from the people and states to the federal government. That's what the Civil War was really about, not slavery. That war was all about money and power, and so is this. |
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TX PATRIOT
User ID: 808036
11/1/2009 2:50 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
(2) BASIC PLAN-
(A) IN GENERAL- A basic plan shall offer the essential benefits package required under title II for a qualified health benefits plan with an actuarial value of 70 percent of the full actuarial value of the benefits provided under the reference benefits package. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 656642
They pay 70%; you pay 30%?
Thanks guys for the straightening out. My head must be in the clouds thinking this was a Senate bill. I don't know why I thought the process had made it that far. And it only took about six pages for someone to indirectly correct me. lol
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ShadowDancer
User ID: 287857
11/1/2009 3:20 PM
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So my mentally disabled son who gets a check of about 550 a month is going to have to cough up 1 % of that check and 2% 2nd year and 3% the third. Well he is very autistic maybe he wont notice the lack of food..... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 794732
This IS what I AM saying-I help the poor and I am not sympathetic but empathetic
I still help the poor-and will continue as best I can-
This bill as it sits with all THE PORK WILL HARM THE POOR MORE THAN IT HELPS
It will hurt many smaller businesses with fines...as though people wanting to be mean to the poor was what is going on-how about many businesses as many families are BARELY HANGING on trying to "buy into the HOPE" which is clearly more HYPE than HOPE-and hype is not what many are hanging on for...when these folks realize it was HYPE and they are in worst position-all HELL WILL break loose...it is already starting in various areas and troops already deployed as SHORTAGES START TO APPEAR-and hope fades as shortages increase and become SEVERE
Read the bill-it is NOT what it seems
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"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
~Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
There is little gain in attempting to change external conditions, you must first change the core of inner beliefs, naturally outer conditions will change accordingly.
BECOME it to achieve it.
Wisdom strengthened the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. Ecclesiastes 7:19
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Does the shadow appear to be growing darker? The light that is casting shadows is becoming much brighter; in utter darkness it is luminous. |
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ShadowDancer
User ID: 287857
11/1/2009 3:24 PM
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The NEW Healthcare Reform Bill # is HR 3962. I repeat, the bill # is HR 3962. I repeat again, the new bill # is HR 3962! Do not confuse this with HR 3200, or else you look and sound stupid. Thank you! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 608696
SALIENT POINTS-all agreed
Thx as I am covering several forts with 1 gun-what can I say...
HR 3962 the Bill that was CONfabulated from 3200
Touche...
Enguard!
take care 
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"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
~Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
There is little gain in attempting to change external conditions, you must first change the core of inner beliefs, naturally outer conditions will change accordingly.
BECOME it to achieve it.
Wisdom strengthened the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. Ecclesiastes 7:19
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Does the shadow appear to be growing darker? The light that is casting shadows is becoming much brighter; in utter darkness it is luminous. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 804328
11/1/2009 3:33 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Here's some irony for you.
Remember all the pundits comparing Obama to Abraham Lincoln?
Here, Obama is about to complete what Lincoln started -- the transfer of all power from the people and states to the federal government. That's what the Civil War was really about, not slavery. That war was all about money and power, and so is this. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 808060
yup.. saw that writing on the wall almost a year ago now.. it was no coincidence that they were comparing the two.. another civil war is brewing.. no doubt...
OH and for those as pissed off as i am about this bill, Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann has called for everyone who is able to show up and meet her on the steps of the Capitol this Thursday at high noon to confront everyone's congressmen and senators FACE TO FACE.. if you cannot come, she's encouraging everyone to show up at their congressmen's district offices to protest then, or at the very least call!! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 804328
11/1/2009 3:37 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
oh.. congresswoman bachmann also said this is not the final bill they dont get THAT till monday night |
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ShadowDancer
User ID: 287857
11/1/2009 3:38 PM
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aligning the balance
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"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
~Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
There is little gain in attempting to change external conditions, you must first change the core of inner beliefs, naturally outer conditions will change accordingly.
BECOME it to achieve it.
Wisdom strengthened the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. Ecclesiastes 7:19
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Does the shadow appear to be growing darker? The light that is casting shadows is becoming much brighter; in utter darkness it is luminous. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808114
11/1/2009 4:18 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Not to worry, OP. Those crooks that are putting together the health care will be arrested very shortly. They are showing their true colors by what they are putting together.
It will be ok in the end. |
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ShadowDancer
User ID: 287857
11/1/2009 4:24 PM
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in the end it WILL BE ALL TOO CLEAR
many of 'them' shall be surprised-just want to avoid a BAIT AND SWITCH that is only superficial
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"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
~Alice's Adventures in Wonderland
There is little gain in attempting to change external conditions, you must first change the core of inner beliefs, naturally outer conditions will change accordingly.
BECOME it to achieve it.
Wisdom strengthened the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. Ecclesiastes 7:19
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Does the shadow appear to be growing darker? The light that is casting shadows is becoming much brighter; in utter darkness it is luminous. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 680551
11/1/2009 4:25 PM | | Re: **READ LATEST VERSION HEALTH CARE BILL HERE** | Quote |
Not to worry, OP. Those crooks that are putting together the health care will be arrested very shortly. They are showing their true colors by what they are putting together.
It will be ok in the end. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 808114
It will be OK in the end, but the road getting there is gonna be rough... |
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