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| Circuit Breaker 
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 766491
11/2/2009 7:42 AM
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Well said! But, I'm afraid it falls on intelligently-deaf ears.
Blackcrow. Quoting: blackcrow
You're deaf? I'm sorry. |
| Menow
User ID: 405501
11/2/2009 10:51 AM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
Hey Circuit Idiot, I answered your question, you just didn't like the answer.
You deflunkers are constantly making fools of yourselves on Nancy Lieder threads, never wanting to understand her words, even though they are very thorough. If you need to learn what you are failing so miserably at countering, read up on it at www.zetatalk.com. Heck, there is even a search engine over there for people to navigate the site. You might want to search for your answers over there, before you come here to make a fool of yourself again. MeNow, same goes for you. Your wilfull ignorance doesn't fool many!
Well said! But, I'm afraid it falls on intelligently-deaf ears.
Blackcrow. Quoting: blackcrow
Yes, Blackcrow, you are clearly deaf to the false reality of Nancy's claims. You willfully ignore what they actually say. Here's a reminder, which I know you will ignore:
"as the atmosphere was stripped away during the shift and must rebuild."
"as the atmosphere is stripped away to a great extent "
"This dust lands in significant amounts only when the atmosphere of Earth is stripped away so resistance is lessened,"
Those passages indicate a widespread and large percentage of the atmosphere being removed. It is simply science-fiction, because all air-breathing life would perish.
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I notice that NONE of you will address the massive flaws I exposed in Nancy's repulsion force story. Willfull deafness, again and again and again... |
| User # 78/68
User ID: 681262
11/2/2009 12:54 PM
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Yet another day, and we'll watch the deflunkers spend all day long trying to counter Nancy Lieder and her words. They'll be here ALL DAY LONG!
Who does this? |
| Menow
User ID: 405501
11/2/2009 2:52 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
Yet another day, and we'll watch the deflunkers spend all day long trying to counter Nancy Lieder and her words. They'll be here ALL DAY LONG!
Who does this? Quoting: User # 78/68
Listen you, insipid nutjob, part of the time I don't post at all due to being away from home. I work at home part of the time and I travel part of the time. When I'm working at home I have easy access to the internet whenever I want. It's no problem to rip out a quick post like this one. I'd say it will take me all of 2 minutes and then I'll be back to other things. Get it? No, I don't suppose you do. After all, all you *DO* is launch personal attacks, like when you called Hap a "fake astronomer". It's easy for all to see that he is a real astronomer who knows what he is talking about. You can't counter the facts which he or I bring to the table, so you stoop to CONSTANT personal attacks. It is sooooooo transparant. Who do you think you are fooling with this crap? Nobody with the slightest amount of critical thinking ability!
Once again, you offer ZERO input on the factual points. NONE!
Wot a maroon! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 244744
11/2/2009 3:08 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
Why are you guys bumping this nutjob thread? LET IT DIE! |
| Soledad
User ID: 677020
11/2/2009 3:14 PM
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Yet another day, and we'll watch the deflunkers spend all day long trying to counter Nancy Lieder and her words. They'll be here ALL DAY LONG!
Who does this? Quoting: User # 78/68
You hit the nail on the head, User. I mean, I sometimes don't check in here for a few days or even weeks or months at a time. But whenever I do, the same bunch or heckle-idiots are there in an instant. In fact, now that I'm on their PX-believer list, I can start a thread on anything (imaginary e.g., my favorite foods), and within seconds they are posting on the thread asking me PX-related questions. Literally, within seconds.
The thing they don't get is that people who are interested in PX mostly just read the chat logs and newsletter at Nancy's site. I mean, how many people want to come here and get hammered with insults if they reveal the slightest interest in PX?
Soledad
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| blackcrow
User ID: 804159
11/2/2009 3:35 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
Yet another day, and we'll watch the deflunkers spend all day long trying to counter Nancy Lieder and her words. They'll be here ALL DAY LONG!
Who does this?
You hit the nail on the head, User. I mean, I sometimes don't check in here for a few days or even weeks or months at a time. But whenever I do, the same bunch or heckle-idiots are there in an instant. In fact, now that I'm on their PX-believer list, I can start a thread on anything (imaginary e.g., my favorite foods), and within seconds they are posting on the thread asking me PX-related questions. Literally, within seconds.
The thing they don't get is that people who are interested in PX mostly just read the chat logs and newsletter at Nancy's site. I mean, how many people want to come here and get hammered with insults if they reveal the slightest interest in PX?
Soledad
The thing with bunker-heads is that this business to them and their heart center is not activated, as in most people who operate some kind of business, in a hard (read: heartless) way, are mercenary. This is mercenary quality you are having a dialogue with, and who wants to do that?
My opinion is that the solution is to not be tricked into a dialogue with them, as they will ask seemingly genuine questions, but right below the surface is no desire to hear an answer from the person they ask.
I see the efforts of the bunker-heads as if they were a legal move of a large corporation in a response to a lawsuit: A selfish and manipulating expression of heartless mind.
Now, I have to admit, that the latest from 78/68 [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] is important in a way to allow some new users of GLP to see the truth of what kind of skags these people really are.
Blackcrow.
Last Edited by blackcrow on 11/2/2009 at 3:43 PM |
| Menow
User ID: 405501
11/2/2009 5:00 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
Yet another day, and we'll watch the deflunkers spend all day long trying to counter Nancy Lieder and her words. They'll be here ALL DAY LONG!
Who does this?
You hit the nail on the head, User. I mean, I sometimes don't check in here for a few days or even weeks or months at a time. But whenever I do, the same bunch or heckle-idiots are there in an instant. In fact, now that I'm on their PX-believer list, I can start a thread on anything (imaginary e.g., my favorite foods), and within seconds they are posting on the thread asking me PX-related questions. Literally, within seconds.
The thing they don't get is that people who are interested in PX mostly just read the chat logs and newsletter at Nancy's site. I mean, how many people want to come here and get hammered with insults if they reveal the slightest interest in PX?
Soledad
Right.... a seach shows that you have started exactly 2 threads since July. One got only 2 replies and the other started like this:
"Timeline to 2012
Quote Soledad:
Hi,
I was one of those banned previously, no doubt because I dared to believe in PX."
You, dear, are a paranoid loon... nothing more. |
| Menow
User ID: 405501
11/2/2009 5:02 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
Yet another day, and we'll watch the deflunkers spend all day long trying to counter Nancy Lieder and her words. They'll be here ALL DAY LONG!
Who does this?
You hit the nail on the head, User. I mean, I sometimes don't check in here for a few days or even weeks or months at a time. But whenever I do, the same bunch or heckle-idiots are there in an instant. In fact, now that I'm on their PX-believer list, I can start a thread on anything (imaginary e.g., my favorite foods), and within seconds they are posting on the thread asking me PX-related questions. Literally, within seconds.
The thing they don't get is that people who are interested in PX mostly just read the chat logs and newsletter at Nancy's site. I mean, how many people want to come here and get hammered with insults if they reveal the slightest interest in PX?
Soledad
(snip)
My opinion is that the solution is to not be tricked into a dialogue with them, as they will ask seemingly genuine questions, but right below the surface is no desire to hear an answer from the person they ask.
(snip)
Blackcrow.
Right... Like when L-user was asked if he believed that Earth was halted in orbit and he called it a "trick question".
I don't think you even KNOW how hilarious you are. You idiots are a laugh-riot! |
| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 766491
11/2/2009 5:37 PM
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Yet another day, and we'll watch the deflunkers spend all day long trying to counter Nancy Lieder and her words. They'll be here ALL DAY LONG! Quoting: User # 78/68
And another day of us getting to watch you fail to show how anything the "debunkers" say is wrong...while you also fail to show how anything Nancy says is right.
Who does this? |
| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 766491
11/2/2009 5:40 PM
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The thing with bunker-heads is that this business to them and their heart center is not activated, as in most people who operate some kind of business, in a hard (read: heartless) way, are mercenary. Quoting: blackcrow
This is funny. You do realize that you're one of the bunker-heads right? You must not have been paying attention during the last meeting. We're "debunkers"...that makes those who follow Nancy the bunkers. |
| Soledad
User ID: 677020
11/2/2009 5:42 PM
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The thing with bunker-heads is that this business to them and their heart center is not activated, as in most people who operate some kind of business, in a hard (read: heartless) way, are mercenary. This is mercenary quality you are having a dialogue with, and who wants to do that?
My opinion is that the solution is to not be tricked into a dialogue with them, as they will ask seemingly genuine questions, but right below the surface is no desire to hear an answer from the person they ask.
I see the efforts of the bunker-heads as if they were a legal move of a large corporation in a response to a lawsuit: A selfish and manipulating expression of heartless mind.
Blackcrow. Quoting: blackcrow
Exactly! Of course, they get really upset when you hold up this particular mirror to them. I've pointed out many times that to shill for the government in its campaign to hide the truth of PX is to be the most horrendous Judas possible to all of mankind. I mean, to help keep something of this magnitude from people--what could possibly qualify as a worse crime? I sure wouldn't want that karma.
Of course, these bozos keep insisting that their living here at GLP 24/7 just to harass PXers is somehow a noble life calling that they are doing on their own. Yeah, right . . .  |
| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 766491
11/2/2009 5:46 PM
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You hit the nail on the head, User. I mean, I sometimes don't check in here for a few days or even weeks or months at a time. But whenever I do, the same bunch or heckle-idiots are there in an instant. Quoting: Soledad
And the same bunch of heckle-idiots are here desperately trying to support Nancy and convince others to do the same. So what's your point?
In fact, now that I'm on their PX-believer list, I can start a thread on anything (imaginary e.g., my favorite foods), and within seconds they are posting on the thread asking me PX-related questions. Literally, within seconds. Quoting: Soledad
You're on a list? Wow, can I see it? Anyway, would you care to back up your claim about "seconds?" This ought to be good.
The thing they don't get is that people who are interested in PX mostly just read the chat logs and newsletter at Nancy's site. I mean, how many people want to come here and get hammered with insults if they reveal the slightest interest in PX?
Soledad
Then why do you come here? Continue reading the chat logs or the newsletter. Save yourself some grief if you're that upset. BTW, isn't it funny how you claim "debunkers" are the only ones to throw insults when you and User are guilty of the same thing? Apparently, your hypocrisy knows no bounds. |
| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 766491
11/2/2009 5:52 PM
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Exactly! Of course, they get really upset when you hold up this particular mirror to them. I've pointed out many times that to shill for the government in its campaign to hide the truth of PX is to be the most horrendous Judas possible to all of mankind. Quoting: Soledad
You have yet to prove that anyone is some kind of "shill" for the government. I can just as easily claim that you work for the government conducting some kind of psyop to see exactly how gullible people are. And how can I be guilty of hiding the truth of "Planet X" when you haven't even been able to prove that it exists? You're provided nothing. In fact, each time that either Nancy or you have predicted "Planet X" would show up...it didn't. And when questioned politely, you run away.
I mean, to help keep something of this magnitude from people--what could possibly qualify as a worse crime? I sure wouldn't want that karma. Quoting: Soledad
One could say you're guilty of a crime by trying to scare people, telling them some "rogue planet" is coming to wipe out 90% of life on Earth. You've presented no evidence for it's existence and, as I stated already, each time it was supposed to show up...it didn't. One could say any of you are guilty of fraud if any of you are making money off of this.
Of course, these bozos keep insisting that their living here at GLP 24/7 just to harass PXers is somehow a noble life calling that they are doing on their own. Yeah, right . . . Quoting: Soledad
Just like you keep insisting your being here is some kind of noble life calling that you do on your own. Yeah, right....
Notice, I didn't call you anything nor did I attack you in any way. Let's see how you respond...if you do at all.
Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 11/2/2009 at 5:53 PM |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806857
11/2/2009 6:10 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
Why are you guys bumping this nutjob thread? LET IT DIE! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 244744
No way!
It's freakin hilarious!
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| Menow
User ID: 405501
11/2/2009 6:38 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
Exactly! Of course, they get really upset when you hold up this particular mirror to them. I've pointed out many times that to shill for the government in its campaign to hide the truth of PX is to be the most horrendous Judas possible to all of mankind. I mean, to help keep something of this magnitude from people--what could possibly qualify as a worse crime? I sure wouldn't want that karma.
Of course, these bozos keep insisting that their living here at GLP 24/7 just to harass PXers is somehow a noble life calling that they are doing on their own. Yeah, right . . .
The "truth of PX"? And what would that be, exactly? How about the "truth" that Earth is halted in orbit? Is that the "truth of PX"? How about that Earth is abnormally wobbling? Is that the "truth of PX"? How about that the Sun and Moon are not where they belong in the sky? Is that the "truth of PX"?
What, exactly, is the "truth of PX" which debunkers are allegedly hiding? Please be specific... unless you are just blowing smoke, of course. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 768028
11/2/2009 6:39 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
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| blackcrow
User ID: 804159
11/2/2009 7:40 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
Exactly! Of course, they get really upset when you hold up this particular mirror to them. I've pointed out many times that to shill for the government in its campaign to hide the truth of PX is to be the most horrendous Judas possible to all of mankind. I mean, to help keep something of this magnitude from people--what could possibly qualify as a worse crime? I sure wouldn't want that karma.
Of course, these bozos keep insisting that their living here at GLP 24/7 just to harass PXers is somehow a noble life calling that they are doing on their own. Yeah, right . . .
In a perfect world, everyone tells the truth. In an imperfect world, people lie, cheat and steal from others for their own gain. Everyone has a role to play on this Earth of ours; so the evil doers are performing a service. Even Judas had his place, for surely it was meant for Jesus to be Crucified in order to complete His mission on Earth, for Earth.
So it is that the de-bunkers also have a role to play in the larger scheme of things; even in the small picture on a Planet X and Zeta discussion forum, as 78/68 pointed out, their activity and/or their posts indicate that they "doth protest too much" and therefore simply short circuit their efforts to debunk. But on the larger scheme of things as well: just as Hitler had his role, the debunkers deserve a place to work out their karma or create more as the case may be.
However, speaking of karma, the debunkers will have a huge load coming their way when Planet X hits.
Blackcrow |
| Menow
User ID: 405501
11/2/2009 7:44 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
Exactly! Of course, they get really upset when you hold up this particular mirror to them. I've pointed out many times that to shill for the government in its campaign to hide the truth of PX is to be the most horrendous Judas possible to all of mankind. I mean, to help keep something of this magnitude from people--what could possibly qualify as a worse crime? I sure wouldn't want that karma.
Of course, these bozos keep insisting that their living here at GLP 24/7 just to harass PXers is somehow a noble life calling that they are doing on their own. Yeah, right . . .
In a perfect world, everyone tells the truth. In an imperfect world, people lie, cheat and steal from others for their own gain. Everyone has a role to play on this Earth of ours; so the evil doers are performing a service. Even Judas had his place, for surely it was meant for Jesus to be Crucified in order to complete His mission on Earth, for Earth.
So it is that the de-bunkers also have a role to play in the larger scheme of things; even in the small picture on a Planet X and Zeta discussion forum, as 78/68 pointed out, their activity and/or their posts indicate that they "doth protest too much" and therefore simply short circuit their efforts to debunk. But on the larger scheme of things as well: just as Hitler had his role, the debunkers deserve a place to work out their karma or create more as the case may be.
However, speaking of karma, the debunkers will have a huge load coming their way when Planet X hits.
Blackcrow
Well, Nancy says that Earth is halted in orbit, among other wild claims. Debunkers say Earth is orbiting normally. So whom is lying? It's a simple question. Are you so fearfull of a "trick" that you can't risk an answer? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806131
11/2/2009 7:56 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
Hey Circuit Idiot, I answered your question, you just didn't like the answer.
You deflunkers are constantly making fools of yourselves on Nancy Lieder threads, never wanting to understand her words, even though they are very thorough. If you need to learn what you are failing so miserably at countering, read up on it at www.zetatalk.com. Heck, there is even a search engine over there for people to navigate the site. You might want to search for your answers over there, before you come here to make a fool of yourself again. MeNow, same goes for you. Your wilfull ignorance doesn't fool many!
Well said! But, I'm afraid it falls on intelligently-deaf ears.
Blackcrow.
Yes, Blackcrow, you are clearly deaf to the false reality of Nancy's claims. You willfully ignore what they actually say. Here's a reminder, which I know you will ignore:
"as the atmosphere was stripped away during the shift and must rebuild."
"as the atmosphere is stripped away to a great extent "
"This dust lands in significant amounts only when the atmosphere of Earth is stripped away so resistance is lessened,"
Those passages indicate a widespread and large percentage of the atmosphere being removed. It is simply science-fiction, because all air-breathing life would perish.
****************************************
I notice that NONE of you will address the massive flaws I exposed in Nancy's repulsion force story. Willfull deafness, again and again and again... Quoting: Menow 405501
Let's just say 50% of the atmosphere is stripped away. That results in an equivalent sea level pressure of approximately 8.35 PSI. This is equivalent to the air pressure at an altitude of 15,000 ft ASL.
At that altitude, time of useful consciousness (TUC) is approximately 30 minutes for an average healthy person. Old age, smoking, or other factors reduce that TUC to below 30 minutes.
Now if any of you have been through altitude chamber training (which I doubt any of you have been in an altitude chamber), you'd realize that hypoxia onset occurs quite rapidly at reduced air pressure. In fact, you won't realize it and you'd be unconscious before you know it. |
| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 766491
11/2/2009 9:41 PM
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However, speaking of karma, the debunkers will have a huge load coming their way when Planet X hits.
Blackcrow Quoting: blackcrow
Okay. Please, tell us...when exactly will that be. I'd really like to know. And, if it fails to happen, I want to know what you'll say or do at that time. Will you continue to believe it's coming? Or will you finally decide that "Planet X" really doesn't exist?
Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 11/2/2009 at 9:48 PM |
| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 766491
11/2/2009 9:47 PM
| | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
Let's just say 50% of the atmosphere is stripped away. That results in an equivalent sea level pressure of approximately 8.35 PSI. This is equivalent to the air pressure at an altitude of 15,000 ft ASL.
At that altitude, time of useful consciousness (TUC) is approximately 30 minutes for an average healthy person. Old age, smoking, or other factors reduce that TUC to below 30 minutes.
Now if any of you have been through altitude chamber training (which I doubt any of you have been in an altitude chamber), you'd realize that hypoxia onset occurs quite rapidly at reduced air pressure. In fact, you won't realize it and you'd be unconscious before you know it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 806131
I'm curious as to where you get your time of useful consciousness. I've been to the top of Pikes Peak which is 14,110 ft. I was up there for an over an hour and didn't pass out or have any noticeable reduction in consciousness. I did, however, get out of breath very easily...just from walking around and I consider myself in shape since I jog 4 miles three to four times a week. 1000 ft higher would have certainly been worse, but I wouldn't think it would be that much worse. You did mention health factors will play into that so maybe that's why I didn't notice any major changes other than getting out of breath. |
| Earth420
User ID: 809500
11/3/2009 12:33 PM
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"while pensive poets painful vigils keep" |
| User # 78/68
User ID: 809515
11/3/2009 12:46 PM
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Hey Circuit Idiot, I answered your question, you just didn't like the answer.
You deflunkers are constantly making fools of yourselves on Nancy Lieder threads, never wanting to understand her words, even though they are very thorough. If you need to learn what you are failing so miserably at countering, read up on it at www.zetatalk.com. Heck, there is even a search engine over there for people to navigate the site. You might want to search for your answers over there, before you come here to make a fool of yourself again. MeNow, same goes for you. Your wilfull ignorance doesn't fool many!
Well said! But, I'm afraid it falls on intelligently-deaf ears.
Blackcrow.
Yes, Blackcrow, you are clearly deaf to the false reality of Nancy's claims. You willfully ignore what they actually say. Here's a reminder, which I know you will ignore:
"as the atmosphere was stripped away during the shift and must rebuild."
"as the atmosphere is stripped away to a great extent "
"This dust lands in significant amounts only when the atmosphere of Earth is stripped away so resistance is lessened,"
Those passages indicate a widespread and large percentage of the atmosphere being removed. It is simply science-fiction, because all air-breathing life would perish.
****************************************
I notice that NONE of you will address the massive flaws I exposed in Nancy's repulsion force story. Willfull deafness, again and again and again...
Let's just say 50% of the atmosphere is stripped away. That results in an equivalent sea level pressure of approximately 8.35 PSI. This is equivalent to the air pressure at an altitude of 15,000 ft ASL.
At that altitude, time of useful consciousness (TUC) is approximately 30 minutes for an average healthy person. Old age, smoking, or other factors reduce that TUC to below 30 minutes.
Now if any of you have been through altitude chamber training (which I doubt any of you have been in an altitude chamber), you'd realize that hypoxia onset occurs quite rapidly at reduced air pressure. In fact, you won't realize it and you'd be unconscious before you know it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 806131
I've been up to the top of Pike's Peak as well, and it's close to the atmospheric pressure you're talking about. Nobody was dying ... NONE of us ... not even close ... it wasn't even that hard to breath. The air was thinner, but everybody was gettin used to it ... the longer there, the easier it would have become.
So your argument about stripping away 50 percent of the atmosphere, and that being lethal, is BOGUS. You guys prove Nancy Lieder more right every single day ... you make the arguments easy. |
| Earth420
User ID: 809500
11/3/2009 12:48 PM
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Hello User 78/68... I miss you!
"while pensive poets painful vigils keep" |
| User # 78/68
User ID: 809515
11/3/2009 1:02 PM
| | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
Hey Hun, I miss you TOO!!
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| Menow
User ID: 405501
11/3/2009 1:11 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
I've been up to the top of Pike's Peak as well, and it's close to the atmospheric pressure you're talking about. Nobody was dying ... NONE of us ... not even close ... it wasn't even that hard to breath. The air was thinner, but everybody was gettin used to it ... the longer there, the easier it would have become.
So your argument about stripping away 50 percent of the atmosphere, and that being lethal, is BOGUS. You guys prove Nancy Lieder more right every single day ... you make the arguments easy. Quoting: User # 78/68
You mean it wouldn't be lethal AT SEA LEVEL, right? What about at higher elevations, as Nancy suggests for safe retreats? You think anyone can survive in an atmosphere like it is at around 20,000ft, as it would be experienced in Denver? Why is there NO mention of this issue in all of Zetatalk?
Why do we see CB being willing to explore the FACTS regardless of who's side they support while people like you ignore anything which doesn't uphold your side of the argument? Whom is being more honest, then? I'd say it's CB, hands down. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808462
11/3/2009 1:30 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
wow
nancy's thread's go on and on and on and on and on and on and and and
well and whatever
now THAT is power |
| Circuit Breaker
Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure
User ID: 766491
11/3/2009 4:11 PM
| | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
So your argument about stripping away 50 percent of the atmosphere, and that being lethal, is BOGUS. You guys prove Nancy Lieder more right every single day ... you make the arguments easy. Quoting: User # 78/68
Okay, prove that humans can survive with more than 50% of the atmosphere stripped away. Remember, Nancy didn't say that some or only half of the atmosphere would be stripped away. She has said it would be stripped away to a great extent. That implies more than 50%. She's also said on more than one occasion it would be stripped away...as in all of it, and that it would need to rebuild. This has been pointed out to you a few times now, but you never address it. In addition, the affects you experienced on top of Pikes Peak would now be the same at sea level if 50% of the atmosphere were removed. That would mean people living in the mountains, following Nancy's advise, would be exposed to the same conditions as would be experienced at 20,000 ft prior to the "pole shift." Can a human stay alive in that? Perhaps. But for more than likely it would be in a reduced state of consciousness. And how long would they survive at that level?
Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 11/3/2009 at 4:20 PM |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806131
11/3/2009 6:53 PM | | Re: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 31 | Quote |
Let's just say 50% of the atmosphere is stripped away. That results in an equivalent sea level pressure of approximately 8.35 PSI. This is equivalent to the air pressure at an altitude of 15,000 ft ASL.
At that altitude, time of useful consciousness (TUC) is approximately 30 minutes for an average healthy person. Old age, smoking, or other factors reduce that TUC to below 30 minutes.
Now if any of you have been through altitude chamber training (which I doubt any of you have been in an altitude chamber), you'd realize that hypoxia onset occurs quite rapidly at reduced air pressure. In fact, you won't realize it and you'd be unconscious before you know it.
I'm curious as to where you get your time of useful consciousness. I've been to the top of Pikes Peak which is 14,110 ft. I was up there for an over an hour and didn't pass out or have any noticeable reduction in consciousness. I did, however, get out of breath very easily...just from walking around and I consider myself in shape since I jog 4 miles three to four times a week. 1000 ft higher would have certainly been worse, but I wouldn't think it would be that much worse. You did mention health factors will play into that so maybe that's why I didn't notice any major changes other than getting out of breath. Quoting: Circuit Breaker
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Also, FARs require oxygen use above certain altitudes:
Sec. 91.211
Supplemental oxygen.
(a) General. No person may operate a civil aircraft of U.S. registry--
(1) At cabin pressure altitudes above 12,500 feet (MSL) up to and including 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen for that part of the flight at those altitudes that is of more than 30 minutes duration;
(2) At cabin pressure altitudes above 14,000 feet (MSL) unless the required minimum flight crew is provided with and uses supplemental oxygen during the entire flight time at those altitudes; and
(3) At cabin pressure altitudes above 15,000 feet (MSL) unless each occupant of the aircraft is provided with supplemental oxygen.
Even though you may feel alright at 14,000 feet, there is a possibly that your cognitive abilities are compromised. |
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