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Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY
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cosmic yo yo
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10/31/2009 11:37 PM
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Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."
The note was a follow-up to Ensign's questioning at the markup.
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cosmic yo yo
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10/31/2009 11:38 PM
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Some public OPTION??? |
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cosmic yo yo
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10/31/2009 11:55 PM
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cosmic yo yo
User ID: 794197
11/1/2009 12:08 AM
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So when they put you in jail for refusal....what happens next? They take your house, your car..YOUR FREEDOM |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 743646
11/1/2009 12:10 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Wow, these 'public servents' are pushing a little too hard.
This will not end well. |
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cosmic yo yo
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11/1/2009 12:15 AM
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unfu..inbelievable..
Has anyone seen this yet? |
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Texas Uncensored 
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11/1/2009 12:15 AM
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Obviously then, the health care bill isn't about anyone's health at all. Well, maybe it is, as in causing heart attacks, strokes, stress related disorders, and putting low to middle income citizens in harm's way with malice and forethought - for puposes of confiscating their property and removing them from jobs and/or the unemployment rolls.
What does the government plan to do with all of the kids?
Or do they share a cell with the parents who just might be forced to choose between food or the government health care fee?
What color pill did these idiots in government take anyway?
It wasn't the blue one, and it wasn't the red one. Is there a delirious yellow one?
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bubba
User ID: 656666
11/1/2009 12:17 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Surely a full regimen of vaccinations will be manditory to maintain your coverage.Or you will be jailed. |
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cosmic yo yo
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11/1/2009 12:21 AM
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OBOMMUNISM at it's finest |
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cosmic yo yo
User ID: 794197
11/1/2009 12:22 AM
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Obviously then, the health care bill isn't about anyone's health at all. Well, maybe it is, as in causing heart attacks, strokes, stress related disorders, and putting low to middle income citizens in harm's way with malice and forethought - for puposes of confiscating their property and removing them from jobs and/or the unemployment rolls.
What does the government plan to do with all of the kids?
Or do they share a cell with the parents who just might be forced to choose between food or the government health care fee?
What color pill did these idiots in government take anyway?
It wasn't the blue one, and it wasn't the red one. Is there a delirious yellow one? Quoting: Texas Uncensored
Hmmm must have been the Swine flu pill. LOL |
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cosmic yo yo
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11/1/2009 12:27 AM
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Surely a full regimen of vaccinations will be manditory to maintain your coverage.Or you will be jailed. Quoting: bubba 656666
Yah, in the FEMA camps. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 807531
11/1/2009 12:28 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
hand written WOW!!!
HERE IS THE COPY
ok where is the copy? |
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Aquarius 7
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11/1/2009 12:30 AM
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I know families who don't even have $5 per month extra.
This legislation is just plain criminal.
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cosmic yo yo
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11/1/2009 12:30 AM
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hand written WOW!!!
HERE IS THE COPY
ok where is the copy? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 807531
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cosmic yo yo
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11/1/2009 12:39 AM
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I know families who don't even have $5 per month extra.
This legislation is just plain criminal.
. . Quoting: Aquarius 7
I'm one of them. I think the fine is higher for families.
Criminal and dirty. |
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cosmic yo yo
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11/1/2009 12:41 AM
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Where is all the news coverage of this? I haven't heard one thing on the "note". |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 693590
11/1/2009 12:46 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Here is the kicker folks...
 #1: Once they pass this law, you can kiss your employer co-sponsored healthcare goodbye. Mark my words, when and if the bill passes, you will start seeing the contract re-negotiation commence on a grand scale... |
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RD47blog
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11/1/2009 12:49 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Just where is, America's citizens, breaking point? Or are they truely just sheeple? |
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Greenhorn
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11/1/2009 12:52 AM
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oh. nevermind.
wanna feel good
gotta be who I am |
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cosmic yo yo
User ID: 794197
11/1/2009 1:00 AM
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and how does the government decide who pays for the insurance and who doesn't?
It's about total controle. You will not be able to take a shit without them knowing. just sayin  |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798349
11/1/2009 1:03 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
is there a link to an article about this?
the handwritten letter doesn't indicate it was in reference to healthcare |
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cosmic yo yo
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11/1/2009 1:10 AM
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is there a link to an article about this?
the handwritten letter doesn't indicate it was in reference to healthcare Quoting: Anonymous Coward 798349
[link to www.newstin.com]
The debate over whether the federal government should require all Americans to carry health insurance is heating up.
The latest spark is a letter that Thomas Barthold, the chief of staff to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation, sent Thursday to Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev.
Given that the health-care bill written by Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus contains a $1,900 fee (or excise tax) for not buying health insurance, Ensign wanted to know what would happen if an American didn't pay the penalty.
In a handwritten letter, Barthold told Ensign that under an existing provision of the Internal Revenue Code, willful failure to pay a fine can result in being charged with a misdemeanor which could carry a penalty of up to $25,000, or up to a year in jail, or both. The handwritten letter was a follow-up to an answer that Barthold gave Ensign during Thursday's mark-up of the Baucus bill.
Barthold felt that he was not as thorough during the hearing as he could be after considering the Internal Revenue Code.
During last year's campaign, then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., opposed an individual mandate. In fact, he clashed repeatedly with Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., his future Secretary of State, on this issue.
Since becoming president, however, he has switched his stance and now shares Clinton's view that an individual mandate is necessary in order to achieve new federal protections for individuals with pre-existing conditions.
Pointing to experience at the state level, the insurance industry and other health-care experts persuaded Obama that insurers could not go along with a guanteed issue policy without knowing that all adults would be forced into the system.
Insurers say that if you have guaranteed issue -- which means no discrimination on the basis of pre-existing conditions -- without an individual mandate, people will wait until they become sick to buy insurance and the system will fail due to a lack of risk sharing.
Advocates of an individual mandate say that a requirement to buy insurance is essential because everyone is currently paying a "hidden tax" when people show up in the emergency room without insurance. (Under existing law, emergency rooms are required to treat urgent care matters without regard to ability to pay. If the patient cannot afford the bill, those costs are then passed to the government or people who have insurance in the form of higher prices).
When considering the possible jail penalty, it should be noted that President Obama envisions an individual mandate being structured with some sort of hardship exemption.
The Baucus health-care bill being considered by the Senate Finance Committee would exempt individuals who meet a government defined "unable to pay definition". There would also be an exemption for people whose religion conflicts with the mandate.
Despite the fact that there is broad support for an individual mandate among Democratic politicians, the insurance industry, many experts, and even a few Republicans, Barthold's letter potentially hands the GOP a big new weapon in the fight against Democratic efforts to overhaul the nation's health-care system.
View Barthold's letter to Ensign by clicking HERE.
It was scanned by Ensign's Senate office and provided to ABC News. The accuracy of its contents was confirmed by the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. |
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cosmic yo yo
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11/1/2009 1:19 AM
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Flout the mandate penalty? Face the IRS
Americans who fail to pay the penalty for not buying insurance would face legal action from the Internal Revenue Service, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.
The remarks Thursday from the committee's chief of staff, Thomas Barthold, seems to further weaken President Barack Obama's contention last week that the individual mandate penalty, which could go as high as $1,900, is not a tax increase.
Under questioning from Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.), Barthold said the IRS would "take you to court and undertake normal collection proceedings."
Ensign pursued the line of questioning because he said a lot of Americans don't believe the Constitution allows the government to mandate the purchase of insurance.
"We could be subjecting those very people who conscientiously, because they believe in the U.S. Constitution, we could be subjecting them to fines or the interpretation of a judge, all the way up to imprisonment," Ensign said. "That seems to me to be a problem."
Ensign's argument , however, wasn't persuasive to the committee -- which rejected an amendment from Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) to eliminate the individual mandate.
Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) was the only Republican to vote with Democrats to preserve the mandate. |
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Anonymous Coward
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11/1/2009 1:30 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
thank you |
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Rav
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11/1/2009 1:38 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Quit whining and do something. I am writing every congressman and senator (not just those in my state) and telling them how opposed I am to this monstrosity of a bill and to reiterate, they passed TARP without their constituents approval and if they go against us this time it will no doubt be to their dismay when election day comes. I plan on voting every one of them out and if the rest of the Americans had any balls they would register to vote and have 100 percent turn out. Do something! Imagine them being bombarded with 100 million emails, letters and faxes saying NO don't pass this. They really better think twice about this, people are getting fed up past their eyeballs. |
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Anonymous Coward
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11/1/2009 1:44 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
PIN THIS SHIT.
THIS IS HOW FIRST BLOOD WILL BE DRAWN.
TRY TO DO THIS, AND SOME FEDS AND SOME CITIZENS WILL DIE OVER IT. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 798349
11/1/2009 1:50 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
haven't you noticed?
VOTING DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!
the action that must be taken is resistance and revolution, not voting |
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lolita
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11/1/2009 1:54 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Let's explain this...
Let's say i'm a libertarian. And I'm voting for Ron Paul. And I don't want this total control of US government over my life. And then this bill passes, and I have to pay the gov 1900$ because they imposed this legislation on me. I chose not to pay it, because, paying a fine to NOT have a service is against the most basic logic plus all the ideology involved.
Then, I would be charged with a misdeamenor, now correct me if i'm wrong, but that would make me lose my gun-owning right if found guilty. Plus, they would charge me 25.000$ and/or send me to jail for 1 year... and of course, there's all the middle ground of taking your car, your house and your credit score if you don't pay the government.
So basically, refuse the government ``free health-care`` and YOU BECOME A CRIMINAL.
Obama, congress and the pharma lobby SURE ARE PRO-FREEDOM AREN'T THEY?
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS and me thinks they try to arrest people over this, innocent people will die, feds and citizens.
So what will the Obama supporters will pull out of their butts to explain this one and how great it is? |
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Anonymous Coward
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11/1/2009 2:06 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
I thought this was BS when I first saw it because ABC serves as a subdomain to go.com (I have no clue what that is). I checked though, and it's the official site.
This can lead to:
-Removal of children, weapons, and job if convicted.
-Removal of cars, homes, and other property if one fails to pay the fine.
-Forced vaccinations, dietary habits, et cetera.
Yeah, we're screwed. |
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Anonymous Coward
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11/1/2009 2:14 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
WHY is this NOT PINNED for awareness???
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susano
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11/1/2009 2:32 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Great find, yo yo.
I, too, am not sanguine about voting the bastards out. They have Diebold. We KNOW they are corrupt and will do anything to keep control. These criminals need to be arrested, NOW.
I'm sending this to Glenn Beck, Kurt Nimmo, Rush Limabaugh, right now. Others, please do the same or get it out through Twitter. |
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