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Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY
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Anonymous Coward
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11/1/2009 2:53 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
I just emailed this thread to several people |
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Anonymous Coward
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11/1/2009 3:55 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
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Bean There
User ID: 804249
11/1/2009 4:06 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Oh this is Goood ! Pay the “Health Fees” or get hit with an “Excise”. Pay the “Excise” or face the IRS.
This is soooooo funny. Wasn’t it 80 million in the Taxpayer Non-Filer estimate ? So us 80 Million have left you remainders to sweat it.
I am so glad I expended my Intellectual Capital learning how the various government. fraud systems work, and how they can be jammed.
I won’t name names so here’s a general “Thank You” to all the Men and Women who taught me to stand up for myself in “Court” and show the IRS the door.
Salude !!! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 807807
11/1/2009 7:18 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
WHY THE FARK IS THIS NOT PINNED YET??!!
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dogbert
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11/1/2009 7:52 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
of course they have to enforce this crap.
they know we won't do it willingly.
just wait til Barky reforms the income tax.
that won't be "voluntary" anymore. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 807838
11/1/2009 8:00 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
[ link to www.politico.com]
This link works!! See for yourself
[ link to a.abcnews.go.com]
I thought this was BS when I first saw it because ABC serves as a subdomain to go.com (I have no clue what that is). I checked though, and it's the official site.
This can lead to:
-Removal of children, weapons, and job if convicted.
-Removal of cars, homes, and other property if one fails to pay the fine.
-Forced vaccinations, dietary habits, et cetera.
Yeah, we're screwed.
The technological revolution has led to this and it will only get worse. Its amazing to see how those who are part of this revolution think they are helping people when the facts point to the exact opposite. Those being 'empowered' by the technology of this revolution have become the tyrants and dictators! The sciences and technologies are their religion! They put their 'faith' in them totally! Their manmade AI is their anthropomorphic god which they hope will save them, but in the end, they will find they have made a very big mistake! Those who will not become a part of their 'matrix' will be marginalized, criminalized, imprisoned, and even killed by those who are a part of it, just as the Most High GOD foretold! Truth be told, its already happening! Once again, when it comes to human beings, power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 807807
11/1/2009 9:02 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Why does this thread keep dropping into the GLP darkness??
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 660203
11/1/2009 9:36 AM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Obviously then, the health care bill isn't about anyone's health at all. Well, maybe it is, as in causing heart attacks, strokes, stress related disorders, Quoting: Texas Uncensored
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Aquarius 7 
User ID: 736450
11/2/2009 1:37 PM
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“ Put on the whole armor of God … for our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the wickedness of the evil spirits in the heavens. …” ~ from Ephesians 6:11-12 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808706
11/2/2009 2:03 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."
The note was a follow-up to Ensign's questioning at the markup.
Links below. Quoting: cosmic yo yo
That's quite a stretch by Barthold. First of all, 7203 refers to Willful failure to file return, supply information, or pay
tax. There is no mention of 7203 code in the healthcare bill. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 746238
11/2/2009 2:23 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 496282
11/2/2009 2:25 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
So when they put you in jail for refusal....what happens next? They take your house, your car..YOUR FREEDOM Quoting: cosmic yo yo
more like your blood and organs |
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drtfis
User ID: 765875
11/2/2009 2:32 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
This so fucking wrong it's got agaist the constitution that's if we still have one i can't believe what's going on in this country.  |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 776606
11/2/2009 2:49 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."
The note was a follow-up to Ensign's questioning at the markup.
Links below. Quoting: cosmic yo yo
And the LINK is about failing to file income tax returns, NOT about refusing to buy health insurance.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 571008
11/2/2009 2:49 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Violators "could be" charged ..
sure, if they don't know their rights |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 571008
11/2/2009 2:50 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
This so fucking wrong it's got agaist the constitution that's if we still have one i can't believe what's going on in this country.
Thats not true,
You have a unlimited right to contract protected by the constitution.
Your SS#, and Voters Reg are contracts for instance, so you are bound to extra laws above the normal free man .. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808706
11/2/2009 3:02 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."
The note was a follow-up to Ensign's questioning at the markup.
Links below. Quoting: cosmic yo yo
THE NOTE DOES NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT HEALTHCARE. SEC 7203 REFERS ONLY TO FEDERAL INCOME TAX RETURNS, DORK.
ALSO, THERE IS NO MENTION OF SEC 7203 IN THE HEALTHCARE BILL.
YOUR POST TITLE IS REALLY A STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION. YOU SHOULD GET A JOB WITH ESQUIRE MAGAZINE. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808121
11/2/2009 3:20 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
THE NOTE DOES NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT HEALTHCARE. SEC 7203 REFERS ONLY TO FEDERAL INCOME TAX RETURNS, DORK.
ALSO, THERE IS NO MENTION OF SEC 7203 IN THE HEALTHCARE BILL.
YOUR POST TITLE IS REALLY A STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION. YOU SHOULD GET A JOB WITH ESQUIRE MAGAZINE. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 808706
Read the rest of the fucking thread AND the bill. If you fail to purchase mandated insurance AND you fail to pay the penalty (excise tax), then, YES, you are failing to pay taxes. THE IRS IS THE POLICING AGENCY. READ....THE....BILL.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 802758
11/2/2009 3:30 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Let's explain this...
Let's say i'm a libertarian. And I'm voting for Ron Paul. And I don't want this total control of US government over my life. And then this bill passes, and I have to pay the gov 1900$ because they imposed this legislation on me. I chose not to pay it, because, paying a fine to NOT have a service is against the most basic logic plus all the ideology involved.
Then, I would be charged with a misdeamenor, now correct me if i'm wrong, but that would make me lose my gun-owning right if found guilty. Plus, they would charge me 25.000$ and/or send me to jail for 1 year... and of course, there's all the middle ground of taking your car, your house and your credit score if you don't pay the government.
So basically, refuse the government ``free health-care`` and YOU BECOME A CRIMINAL.
Obama, congress and the pharma lobby SURE ARE PRO-FREEDOM AREN'T THEY?
THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS and me thinks they try to arrest people over this, innocent people will die, feds and citizens.
So what will the Obama supporters will pull out of their butts to explain this one and how great it is? Quoting: lolita
And while in jail, you'll be given forced vaccinations and micro-chipping, and any other procedure (forced drugging for perceived mental illness) the deem necessary.
Children removed from the home, as we'll be accused of neglect and abuse, because we didn't buy into the mandated health insurance to ensure they get to go to the Dr. and get their mandated Gardisil vaccination, the swine flu vaccination, mandatory vaccinations for those with exemptions on file, etc. They'll also then have the opportunity to have mental health evaluations, so they can get the proper "help" through pharma-cures. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808850
11/2/2009 3:37 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Flout the mandate penalty? Face the IRS
Americans who fail to pay the penalty for not buying insurance would face legal action from the Internal Revenue Service, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.
The remarks Thursday from the committee's chief of staff, Thomas Barthold, seems to further weaken President Barack Obama's contention last week that the individual mandate penalty, which could go as high as $1,900, is not a tax increase.
Under questioning from Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.), Barthold said the IRS would "take you to court and undertake normal collection proceedings."
Ensign pursued the line of questioning because he said a lot of Americans don't believe the Constitution allows the government to mandate the purchase of insurance.
"We could be subjecting those very people who conscientiously, because they believe in the U.S. Constitution, we could be subjecting them to fines or the interpretation of a judge, all the way up to imprisonment," Ensign said. "That seems to me to be a problem."
Ensign's argument , however, wasn't persuasive to the committee -- which rejected an amendment from Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) to eliminate the individual mandate.
Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) was the only Republican to vote with Democrats to preserve the mandate. Quoting: cosmic yo yo
The steel teeth of the Beast system clamping down ... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808850
11/2/2009 3:43 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."
The note was a follow-up to Ensign's questioning at the markup.
Links below. Quoting: cosmic yo yo
Is this a yearly fee of $1900? How much would their scam "Health insurance" be? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808671
11/2/2009 3:54 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
I know there are some people who just cannot afford any more bills. I suppose if they cant insure their kids they will take them away to a BETTER place. Like a Foster home, state custody or God Knows what? It will be a sad situation for some folks.. But I am sure our government knows whats best for us and our kids. LOL!! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808671
11/2/2009 3:56 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."
The note was a follow-up to Ensign's questioning at the markup.
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Is this a yearly fee of $1900? How much would their scam "Health insurance" be? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 808850
I heard somewhere around 400-6000 per month? Not sure now but it was not cheap. Although I could be wrong. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 17061
11/2/2009 3:59 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
The constitution does not grant congress the authority to force you to purchase any type of product.
This bill, if passed into law has no constitutional backing.
It's really very simple.
you just don't obey it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808850
11/2/2009 4:02 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."
The note was a follow-up to Ensign's questioning at the markup.
Links below.
Is this a yearly fee of $1900? How much would their scam "Health insurance" be?
I heard somewhere around 400-6000 per month? Not sure now but it was not cheap. Although I could be wrong. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 808671
If it is this much, then paying a straight $,1900 would be cheaper in the long run...what a scam.
I am so tired of this scam artist BS in this country. Devised for some ass*&*&s to make a lot of $$$ so that the honest people have more of a yolk. When is this BS going to stop. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1978
11/2/2009 4:03 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Just where is, America's citizens, breaking point? Or are they truely just sheeple? Quoting: RD47blog 781970
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808850
11/2/2009 4:38 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
Why cant this thread stay at the top of the list. This needs to be discussed. |
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Ouroboro
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11/2/2009 4:46 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
What are you talking about this is America. This kind of thing would never happen here......right?
And the web bot is 100% fake.....riiiiight.
Keeping the shills at bay since '86 |
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lolita
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11/2/2009 9:08 PM | | Re: Hand written note from Tom Barthold confirming JAIL TIME OR 25 thousand dollar penality for refusal of government healthcare : HERE IS THE COPY | Quote |
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cosmic yo yo
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11/3/2009 9:19 PM
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