Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 2,877 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 1,649,504
Pageviews Today: 2,545,777Threads Today: 751Posts Today: 16,510
10:34 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!

 
HardTruth
Offer Upgrade

User ID: 807975
United States
11/01/2009 05:43 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic

What is Pious Fraud?

Pious fraud was a common technique employed by early Christian writers to make a point. Their intention was to convert anyone and everyone by any means available. One of the more persuasive methods was to write a text and falsely tell others that it was written in first person. For example, the four canonized gospel tales were not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. That has been a well known fact for about 200 years. And to this day, no one knows who the gospel stories were written by. These texts are perfect examples of pious fraud. Pious fraud is the foundation of the deception known as Christianity and it continues to this day.

During the first couple of centuries of the Common Era the early Christian priest-craft, which would eventually become the early Catholic fathers, were in the process of assimilating religions from all over Europe. Ultimately the new religion become known as the Christian religion, or more accurately The Catholic Church. The Bible was put together by hundreds of people who were either at the head of the fraud or were pawns in its assembly. Once the original languages were translated into Latin, it was only a matter of time before the original language nuances could be discarded. Ever wonder why it was punishable by death to read the Bible during the Middle Ages? Punishable by death by the common folk to read it, that is. Well, the reason was that the priest-craft was well aware of the errors, inconsistencies and flat-out lies that riddled the Bible. If the common man found out, it could have been the death of the Church's authority, power and control over the masses. And since the original languages are rarely, if ever, used by those who read the Bible (well, those who actually READ it), the fraud is perpetuated.

When a pious fraud is knowingly perpetuated in the name of power and money, you have deception. Remember, 1700-2000 years ago, when these texts were being assembled into a 'new testament', the vast majority of humanity was illiterate. Science was not known. Demons rules the world. Anything could be put forth and said to be 'absolute truth' when it was in fact, completely fraudulent.

What is the implication of this? The implication is self-evident. The story of Genesis, that Christian proselytizers love to advance (altho it is part of the much older Jewish texts), is a complete and utter forgery. In that story we are led to believe that there was a single god who created the earth, etc. in 6 days. Not only has science proven the timeline to be completely false, the religious aspect is a complete fabrication. At the time that the Genesis story was supposed to have been written the Hebrew people were not monotheistic. That's history. They believed in many gods and Genesis proves it. The story actually goes back to before the Hebrews were a distinct people-it is not Hebrew in origin.

Pious Fraud in Translation

Let's take a look at the very first words of the book of Genesis. Note very carefully that the Hebrew culture, at the time of this writing, was not monothestic, but rather, polytheistic. Will your priest, minister or preacher tell you that? No. But you can find out for yourself with a simple dictionary.

The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods. What is the first sentence in the Bible?

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen. 1:1).

Here is Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew (transliterated into the Latin alphabet, of course):

"Bereshith bara elohim," etc.,

"In-beginning created (the) gods (the) heavens and (the) earth."

In the same chapter the word "elohim" (gods) is used thirty times., Those gods are the ones who created the 'universe' in 6 days.

To clarify, here is the translation of the Hebrew text of Genesis 1. Notice how Jewish and Christian 'fathers' don't bother to tell you what the original text says. They would like you to believe that a single god created everything. But, they messed up big time and actually translated it properly. In plain English, the translation reads 'let us make man in our image':

Here are three examples of the Hebrew plural gods mentioned in Genesis: 1. "And-said elohim (gods), let-US-make man (adam) in-image-OUR, after-likeness-OUR" (1:26).

2. And when "adam" had eaten of the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge, "the Lord God" said, "Behold, the-man has become like one of US, to know good and evil" (3:27).

3. And when the Tower of Babel was being built: "The Lord [Heb. Yahveh] said ... Come, let US go down," etc.

When speaking of the Hebrew deity, Yahveh, elohim, (gods) is used in the Hebrew texts, The plural elohim is used 2570 times. It is always falsely translated to the singular "God", thus falsely making us believe that this text was written at a time when the Hebrew people were monothestic, when it clearly is the case (written at least 2570 times, no less!) that they WERE NOT.

In the three Genesis verses above, there are three different designations of the Hebrew deity or deities: elohim, (gods), falsely translated "God":

Lord God (Heb. Yahveh-elohim); and Lord (Heb. Yahveh). Yahveh is the proper name of the Hebrew God, which, in English, is Jehovah.

Yahveh-elohim is a Hebrew "construct-form" which is translated to "Yahveh-of-the-gods." Invariably these personal names were falsely translated "Lord" and "Lord God," respectively, for purposes of pious fraud.

First Man, First Woman

There was no first man "Adam," according to the Hebrew text. The word adam in Hebrew is a common noun, meaning man in a generic sense and in Genesis 1:26, it states:

"And elohim (gods) said, Let us make adam (man)"; and so "elohim created ha- adam (the-man); ... male and female created he them" (1: 27).

In the second creation story, where man is first made alone:

"Yahveh formed ha-adam (the-man) out of the dust of ha-adamah-the ground" (2:7).

Man is called in Hebrew adam because he was formed out of adamah, the ground; just as in Latin man is called homo because he was formed from humus, the ground. Early Christian father Lactantius stated it as 'homo ex humo' ('man from the ground', or 'dust' as it commonly stated today).

The forging of the name Adam from the Hebrew noun adam into a mythical proper name Adam, was after the so-called Exodus. The fraud in the forging of fictitious genealogies from "in the beginning" to Father Abraham.

And this wasn't done by Christians, but rather by early Hebrew priests. Nonetheless, early Christians took this deception and used it for their own newly forged religion.

Who has a Soul?

In Genesis 1 is the account of the creation of the elohim-gods-on the fifth day, of "nephesh hayyah" which is "the moving creature that hath life," and of "nephesh hayyah-every living creature" out of the waters (1:20, 21); and on the sixth day of "nephesh hayyah-the living creature" out of the ground (1:24); and he gave to ha-adam-the-man dominion over "kol nephesh hagyah-everything wherein there is life," (1:30.)

The Hebrew text states that all animal living creatures are by God called "nephesh hayyah," literally "living soul".

In Chapter 2 is the history of ha-adam made from ha-adamah; and, in contrast to these lowly "living creatures" (nephesh hayyah), Yahveh-clohim "breathed into his nostrils nishmath hayyim -- (living breaths), and ha-adam became nephesh hayyah-a living soul". (2:7)

In Hebrew everywhere you read the word nephesh it simply means soul, and hayyah (living) is the feminine singular adjective from hai, life.

In the original Hebrew texts, Man was created exactly the same as the other animals. All had or were 'nephesh hayyah' or living souls.

Remember, tho, that the reason there are two creation stories is because two culture's stories of creation were woven together by the early Hebrew priestcraft.

Unknown scribes, in translation, made animals merely creatures, and "Creation's masterpiece, Man," became a "living soul." They falsely altered these plain words so as to deceive us into believing a special God-breathed soul is in man which is completely different from animal that merely perishes to dust.

The implication of this is that someone has fraudulently decided that we are a special creation that has a soul, and eliminated the actual words of what Genesis says. Now all other animals don't have a soul. According to the story, all things that live have a soul. So what happened here? Forgery. That's what happened.

Chalk one up for vegetarians.

There Was No Continuous Hebrew Monotheistic Culture

When Yahveh appeared to Moses in the Burning Bush, and announced himself as "the God of thy fathers," he was a total stranger to Moses. How do I know? Read the account. It doesn't take a scholar to read where Moses ASKS who's taking. No, Moses wasn't merely surprised at the voice…he simply didn't know what was going on. (The fact that Moses is just a rehash of the Egyptian Mises is another essay altogether. But for the purposes of this essay, I'm pretending that Moses was a real person.)

Moses did not know this Yahveh, and had never heard of him. So that he asked, "What is thy name?" -so that he could report it to the people back home in Egypt, who had never heard it. After some intermission, the God came directly to the point, and declared-here are the exact words-one of the most notorious falsities in the Hebrew text:

"And elohim spake unto Moses, and said unto him., anoki Yahveh -- I am the Lord!

"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of el-shaddai, but by my name Yahveh (JEHOVAH) was I not known to them." (Ex. 6:2, 8.)

The Hebrew God for the first time since the world began, is "revealed" to mankind the "ineffable name" of Yahveh, here first appearing in the Bible translations, and there printed as JEHOVAH in capital letters; for more vivid and awe-inspiring impression.

But this is a notorious lie-since we known that Moses did not write the first five books of the Hebrew text.

In Genesis 2:4, the name YAHVEH first appears; "in the day that Yahveh-elohim made the earth and the heavens." Its first recorded use as a mystical personage, was when Eve "conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from Yahveh-the Lord." (Gen. 4:1.)

The personal name YAHVEH occurs in the Book of Genesis one hundred and fifty-six times. It's spoken dozens of times by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as any one can read in Genesis. Every single time that the title "the Lord" and "the Lord God" appears, it is a false translation by the priests for the Hebrew personal name YAHVEH.

Throughout the Hebrew "scriptures" it occurs thousands of times: "The sacred name occurs in Genesis ~156 times; and is found in the Old Testament approximately 6000 times, either alone or in along with another Divine name."

More exactly, the Tetragrammaton (YHVH), appears in the Old Testament 6823 times as the proper name of God as the God of Israel. As such it serves to distinguish him from the gods of the other nations." Thus was the Hebrew tribal god YAHVEH distinguished from Bel, and Chemosh, and Dagon, and Shamash, and the dozens of "gods of the nations". Just as James would distinguish his name from Rudolph, or Cary, this was precisely the Hebrew usage-to distinguish one heathen god from another.

And this the pious translators, foisting their fraud on us, sought to hide, giving names to all the "other gods," but suppressing a name for the Hebrew deity, who as "the Lord," or "the Lord God," was high and unique, "a god above all gods," -the one and only true God-thru the use of a tetragrammaton.

But yet a more malicious and evil-intentioned deception, 6828 times, is the name of the Hebrew God concealed by false rendition for the deliberate purpose of forging the whole Hebrew texts, as translated, into a semblance of harmony with the false declaration of Exodus 6:3, that "by my name YAHVEH was I not know unto them."

Search as one may, outside Exodus 6:3, the god-name YAHVEH (Jehovah) is never to be found in the translations, except in Psalm 78:18, and Isaiah 12:2 and 26:4. (But they are irrelevant for this discussion because those passages were written well after the original 5 books were forged.)

The false translations thus "make truth to be a liar," the lie of Exodus 6:3 to seem the truth; and a barbarous heathen tribal god among a hundred neighbor and competitive gods to be the nameless One Lord God of the Universe. For more on this tribal god, you can read

Who is this Jehovah and Where Does He Live?

What does this imply? It implies this: the Hebrew-Christian-One-God is a patent forgery and myth; a mythological Father-god can have no "only begotten Son"; Jesus Christ is a myth even before he is mythically born by the forged whimsy of the early Christian 'fathers'.



A Few Translations

These translations, while only three in number, will change your whole way of thinking about what is being presented in your Bible.

Son of Man: In all three major Semitic languages (Aramaic, Hebrew, and Arabic) the term barnasha means "human being". Jesus often referred to himself as a human being (28 times in the Gospels). Barnasha comes from bar (son) and nasha (man). The meaning of barnasha has created a lot of confusion in the Gospels. It is impossible to translate the Aramaic term of barnasha literally as "son of man" - and yet most biblical translators have and still do just that to this day. In the Aramaic language the word bar is combined with many other words to create different meanings - most specifically is means a "likeness." For example barabba means "resembles his father". Barhila translated literally would mean "son of power" but in reality it means "soldier". So when we read in the Gospels the phrase "son of man" it should be read correctly as "human being".

Son of God: The word bar means a likeness or resemblance to the suffix word. The Aramaic term that Son of God comes from is bardalaha. Translated literally as "son of God" it does not mean this. Bardalaha in reality means "like God" or "God-like". So when Jesus is referred to as the "Son of God" we should read this correctly as "God-like" or "like God". So what does that tell you about the translation we read in today's Bibles? It tells you that Jesus was not the Son of God - but that he was "God-like". There is a big difference. Jesus himself repeatedly referred to himself as a "human being". The Aramaic reference does not mean one is physically divine - it means there is an important spiritual relationship between God and the man whom is bestowed that phraseology. In addition, don't forget that the Council of Nicea in 325 CE voted to change the human Jesus to a supernatural being. It wasn't until that time that any church thought of Jesus as such.

Only Begotten Son: The world ehedaya is Aramaic. It is very important to understand its meaning when hearing that phrase being bantered about. When we read that Jesus was God's "only begotten son" - it is an incorrect translation of the Aramaic word. The term is found exclusively in the Gospel of John. The phrase we read in English was translated from a Greek word, monogenes. Monos means "single" or "one" and genos means "kind". So the Greek translation originally was with "one-of-a-kind". So where does 'begotten' come from? The Greek word genos is distantly related to the verb gennan which means "to beget". Thus, to translate monogenes as "only begotten" is improper and incorrect--which is an indication of an ill-trained translator being involved with the text. The actual translation should be "unique son" or "one-of-a-kind". The Aramaic word ehedaya means "sole heir" and "the beloved". So when we combine monogenes ehedaya we get "one-of-a-kind, beloved son". That's considerably different from 'only begotten son'.
[link to www.hiddenmysteries.org]
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 782401
United States
11/01/2009 05:45 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
bump So I can find it later - got to go cook.

hi Friend hf
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 805575
United States
11/01/2009 05:46 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Yeah, it does suck.

But just because you do know some of these words, doesn't mean you don't twist things to your viewpoint either.
9teen.47™

User ID: 808174
United Kingdom
11/01/2009 05:52 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
sasu01B This thread sucks. FIRE...


titanic
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
Jer 6:2 I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate [woman].
STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobacco is worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children.
HardTruth (OP)

User ID: 807975
United States
11/01/2009 05:53 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Yeah, it does suck.

But just because you do know some of these words, doesn't mean you don't twist things to your viewpoint either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 805575


I never twist, but I do so enjoy untwisting the so called infallible word!!


teeeehee


___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 805575
United States
11/01/2009 05:54 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Yeah, it does suck.

But just because you do know some of these words, doesn't mean you don't twist things to your viewpoint either.


I never twist, but I do so enjoy untwisting the so called infallible word!!


:teeeehee:


___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


You do twist, and it is men who are fallible.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 680551
United States
11/01/2009 05:54 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Yeah, it does suck.

But just because you do know some of these words, doesn't mean you don't twist things to your viewpoint either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 805575


Yup, surely ye shall not die...
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 654301
Finland
11/01/2009 05:55 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
some dudes wrote that POS book about 1600 years ago & you're still reading and believing it?


idiots!

lmao
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808162
United States
11/01/2009 05:58 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Ahh...

HT, the king of cut and paste.

Mostly a Lie:
>>The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods.<<

There is a emall amount of truth to what is said but as usual in Hard Truth's posts, he also tells you half truths. Which is of course a nice way of saying 'lie'.

H430
'e&#774;lo&#770;h&#305;&#770;ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:

H433
'e&#774;lo&#770;ahh 'e&#774;lo&#770;ahh
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God

H410
'e&#770;l
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty: - God

So what it really means is GOD (the ONE diety) and His magistrates (or angels.

NOT gods as HT would have you believe.

And this is how Hard Truth operates - half truths and lies.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 325890
United States
11/01/2009 06:03 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Yahveh - NO
Jehovah - NO

Ayuvwa = YES

(Eye of Ra!)

talk to the root language teacher, who is a rat; accessible via huachuma.

bsflag
HardTruth (OP)

User ID: 807975
United States
11/01/2009 06:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Ahh...

HT, the king of cut and paste.

Mostly a Lie:
>>The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods.<<

There is a emall amount of truth to what is said but as usual in Hard Truth's posts, he also tells you half truths. Which is of course a nice way of saying 'lie'.

H430
'e&#774;lo&#770;h&#305;&#770;ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:

H433
'e&#774;lo&#770;ahh 'e&#774;lo&#770;ahh
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God

H410
'e&#770;l
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty: - God

So what it really means is GOD (the ONE diety) and His magistrates (or angels.

NOT gods as HT would have you believe.

And this is how Hard Truth operates - half truths and lies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 808162



Go back to school grasshopper, and I don't lie!!

Christians, Meet The ELOHIM, YHVH's Equals Of The Ancient World, The Men Of Name!!
Thread: Christians, Meet The ELOHIM, YHVH's Equals Of The Ancient World, The Men Of Name!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
lil*miss

User ID: 803442
Canada
11/01/2009 06:16 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Watched an interesting program the other night that ties in with this, HT.

It was called UFO's In The Bible, a documentary by the History Channel.

Ordinary people couldn't read the bible, because it wasn't written in everyday language. They weren't meant to read it.



Last Edited by lil*miss on 11/01/2009 06:17 PM
lil*miss

User ID: 803442
Canada
11/01/2009 06:20 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
some dudes wrote that POS book about 1600 years ago & you're still reading and believing it?


idiots!

lmao
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 654301


Those who do not understand the past are doomed to repeat it.
HardTruth (OP)

User ID: 807975
United States
11/01/2009 06:22 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Watched an interesting program the other night that ties in with this, HT.

It was called UFO's In The Bible, a documentary by the History Channel.

Ordinary people couldn't read the bible, because it wasn't written in everyday language. They weren't meant to read it.


 Quoting: lil*miss


Hey thanks, this will be good, and they still don't want folks to understand the original documents!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
MagiChristmas

User ID: 554973
United States
11/01/2009 06:26 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Yeah, it does suck.

But just because you do know some of these words, doesn't mean you don't twist things to your viewpoint either.


I never twist, but I do so enjoy untwisting the so called infallible word!!


teeeehee
___________

 Quoting: HardTruth


Your path of discovery has
found the truth again. verycool

Soul
In scripture, the term soul is used as a synonym for spirit to describe a person in four different phases of his or her eternal existence. Soul is used to describe a person in premortal life—before birth (see Abraham 3:23). During earth life, the soul is joined with a physical body (see Abraham 5:7). At death, the soul leaves the body and goes to the spirit world to await resurrection (see Alma 40:11–14). In the Resurrection, the body and soul are inseparably connected, which is called "the redemption of the soul" (see Alma 40:23; D&C 88:15–16). - [link to www.lds.org]

Moses 3:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew. For I, the Lord God, created all things, of which I have spoken, spiritually, before they were naturally upon the face of the earth. For I, the Lord God, had not caused it to rain upon the face of the earth. And I, the Lord God, had created all the children of men; and not yet a man to till the ground; for in heaven created I them; and there was not yet flesh upon the earth, neither in the water, neither in the air;

HardTruth has seen through the deception again. sun
Thread: Christians, Meet The ELOHIM, YHVH's Equals Of The Ancient World, The Men Of Name!! (Page 4)

MC

Last Edited by X^24 on 11/01/2009 06:27 PM
The deception continues to crumble.
Thread: Tips for improving the GLP experience.
Christ was mischaracterized to the point of Crucifixion.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 728979
United States
11/01/2009 06:31 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Silly Atheist!

One star for you and your master.
R\\//T
User ID: 658677
United States
11/01/2009 06:35 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Do you ever come up with your own conclusion and material?
Copy and Paste is starting to get old, give us something new, something from your own mind.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 768741
United Kingdom
11/01/2009 06:35 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
We see through your trickery Hardtruth . There was no Hebrew when Adam was alive.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808162
United States
11/01/2009 06:37 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Ahh...

HT, the king of cut and paste.

Mostly a Lie:
>>The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods.<<

There is a emall amount of truth to what is said but as usual in Hard Truth's posts, he also tells you half truths. Which is of course a nice way of saying 'lie'.

H430
'e&#774;lo&#770;h&#305;&#770;ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:

H433
'e&#774;lo&#770;ahh 'e&#774;lo&#770;ahh
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God

H410
'e&#770;l
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty: - God

So what it really means is GOD (the ONE diety) and His magistrates (or angels.

NOT gods as HT would have you believe.

And this is how Hard Truth operates - half truths and lies.



Go back to school grasshopper, and I don't lie!!

Christians, Meet The ELOHIM, YHVH's Equals Of The Ancient World, The Men Of Name!!
Thread: Christians, Meet The ELOHIM, YHVH's Equals Of The Ancient World, The Men Of Name!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


Yes, YOU do lie.

I just proved it with my post, grasshopper.

You need to learn to read and more importantly, you need to learn to understand what you read.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 807062
Canada
11/01/2009 06:40 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
The irony of this thread is startling.

How do you analyse Hebrew with no discussion of gematria?

In the beginning = &#1512;&#1488;&#1513;&#1497;&#1514; = 911
HardTruth (OP)

User ID: 807975
United States
11/01/2009 06:40 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Do you ever come up with your own conclusion and material?
Copy and Paste is starting to get old, give us something new, something from your own mind.
 Quoting: R\\//T 658677


Most of what I give is from me grasshopper!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
HardTruth (OP)

User ID: 807975
United States
11/01/2009 06:44 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
We see through your trickery Hardtruth . There was no Hebrew when Adam was alive.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768741


The Sumerians were, but you guys dismiss their material, and the Hebrews were the original Irish druids!!

But noooo, lol...let the gypsies steal the language, manipulate it, slap their label on it, claim to be the chosen race, and you guys eat it up!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 804090
United States
11/01/2009 06:47 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
in consciousness open eye
HardTruth (OP)

User ID: 807975
United States
11/01/2009 06:49 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Ahh...

HT, the king of cut and paste.

Mostly a Lie:
>>The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods.<<

There is a emall amount of truth to what is said but as usual in Hard Truth's posts, he also tells you half truths. Which is of course a nice way of saying 'lie'.

H430
'e&#774;lo&#770;h&#305;&#770;ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:

H433
'e&#774;lo&#770;ahh 'e&#774;lo&#770;ahh
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God

H410
'e&#770;l
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty: - God

So what it really means is GOD (the ONE diety) and His magistrates (or angels.

NOT gods as HT would have you believe.

And this is how Hard Truth operates - half truths and lies.



Go back to school grasshopper, and I don't lie!!

Christians, Meet The ELOHIM, YHVH's Equals Of The Ancient World, The Men Of Name!!
Thread: Christians, Meet The ELOHIM, YHVH's Equals Of The Ancient World, The Men Of Name!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


Yes, YOU do lie.

I just proved it with my post, grasshopper.

You need to learn to read and more importantly, you need to learn to understand what you read.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 808162



I understand perfectly well what I read, that's why I know there was no fall, or original sin, just as your scriptures plainly state!!

lol...so who again has the problem?

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!

Last Edited by HardTruth on 11/01/2009 06:49 PM
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 805575
United States
11/01/2009 06:55 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Not other Gods...descriptive names for God.

Descriptive names: El Shaddai = God Almighty. El Echad = The One God.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 807062
Canada
11/01/2009 06:55 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
rsht = the beginning = 911

911..

the beginning.

nice.
HardTruth (OP)

User ID: 807975
United States
11/01/2009 06:57 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Not other Gods...descriptive names for God.

Descriptive names: El Shaddai = God Almighty. El Echad = The One God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 805575


lol....

The great fraud, now buy it, live it and be a good little christian and don't ask any questions!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808162
United States
11/01/2009 07:03 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Ahh...

HT, the king of cut and paste.

Mostly a Lie:
>>The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods.<<

There is a emall amount of truth to what is said but as usual in Hard Truth's posts, he also tells you half truths. Which is of course a nice way of saying 'lie'.

H430
'e&#774;lo&#770;h&#305;&#770;ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:

H433
'e&#774;lo&#770;ahh 'e&#774;lo&#770;ahh
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God

H410
'e&#770;l
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty: - God

So what it really means is GOD (the ONE diety) and His magistrates (or angels.

NOT gods as HT would have you believe.

And this is how Hard Truth operates - half truths and lies.



Go back to school grasshopper, and I don't lie!!

Christians, Meet The ELOHIM, YHVH's Equals Of The Ancient World, The Men Of Name!!
Thread: Christians, Meet The ELOHIM, YHVH's Equals Of The Ancient World, The Men Of Name!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


Yes, YOU do lie.

I just proved it with my post, grasshopper.

You need to learn to read and more importantly, you need to learn to understand what you read.



I understand perfectly well what I read, that's why I know there was no fall, or original sin, just as your scriptures plainly state!!

lol...so who again has the problem?

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


You always avoid actually answering posts.
You always try the old switch game (so like your papa Satan)to avoid answering - because you have no answers - just a smart mouth and a small mind.

What on earth does 'original sin' have to do with what I said - NOTHING.

You do just what Satan tried with Jesus when he tried to tempt Him on the mountain.

Satan quoted scripture to Jesus BUT he twisted it around till it really did not mean what the original text said.

That is what you do - you twist things and tell lies.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 807999
United States
11/01/2009 07:10 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Pious Fraud in Translation

Let's take a look at the very first words of the book of Genesis. Note very carefully that the Hebrew culture, at the time of this writing, was not monothestic, but rather, polytheistic. Will your priest, minister or preacher tell you that? No. But you can find out for yourself with a simple dictionary.

The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods. What is the first sentence in the Bible?

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen. 1:1).

Here is Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew (transliterated into the Latin alphabet, of course):

"Bereshith bara elohim," etc.,


If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


Latin didn't come until much later. What a Catholic Roman lie.

The Strong's is easily verified. It does say elohim meaning the triune Godhead. Other verses explain God the Father created all through Jesus, who was "the Word"
Genesis Hebrew-English
[link to www.mechon-mamre.org]
[link to www.apostolic-churches.net]

WORSHIP, as in LOVE. God does not force anyone to love him.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808208
Spain
11/01/2009 07:11 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
obvious that believing in the bible 100% is ridiculous
Why cant we get some real answers for op´s post?


Because there are none!

Anyone with half a brain can study anything for themselves now but that doesnt work i see. I think its scary that the bible pushers are not critical at all towards the beliefs/bible that cause wars and what have ye and just point fingers and create lame attacks-

You lost!

All of ye

You are the problem in this world and u will never know

What a (dark?)sense of humor the creator must have-

hehehe
R\\//T
User ID: 658677
United States
11/01/2009 07:16 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Do you ever come up with your own conclusion and material?
Copy and Paste is starting to get old, give us something new, something from your own mind.


Most of what I give is from me grasshopper!!
___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
 Quoting: HardTruth


If you wrote that webpage then Im sorry, if not my comment stands.

News