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User ID: 810563
11/4/2009 9:06 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Hey Hardtruth, I hope you don't take offense of what I have posted, okay Bro? (You know, of what I said was in error..)
Never do I take offense, I am here to learn as well!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
so body, soul, and spirit equals formed, made and created?
Soul created, yes!!
Body created, yes, but by a different entity!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
And you deflect opinion about your being a satanist, especially from FHL(C), and why, because your are a mason who worships lucifer, and to cover the conflict between your knowing you are lieing and your desire to be seen as a good boy by the masonic establishment and get rewarded , you go through a deliberate mental disconnect, to separate your bleeding and bloodied conscience from your selfish and grasping immorality that's coupling with your lust for power and money.
For it is well known that amongst the kabbalists and higher order masons that the so called demiurge is the creator of this world, which is a not so pious fraud on behalf of the lies and liars you represent OP |
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User ID: 810563
11/4/2009 9:11 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Not answering the point of statements and or questions, only shows your deflection away from the issue that exposes you, so to escape in your twisted mind from the heat it generates about the true state of your deceptive and disagreeable personality, only confirms to those who can read, how slippery and jesuitical your thinking process is. |
| Major
User ID: 647112
11/4/2009 10:42 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE THE DAY LITTLE STAR WOULD ATTACK CHRISTIANS YET STAND UP AND WAG HIS TAIL FOR A SATANIST BS ARTIST SUCH AS HARD TRUTH.
WHAT ON EARTH IS WRONG WITH YOU LS? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810529
Believe me when I tell you that Mr. Star is a troubled person. We have crossed paths before and he has rejected Bible truth for his own opinions. Instead of civil conversation he became very angry and has taken to personal attacks because I dared to call his teaching false and un-biblical. Then at the expence of divine retrobution, he has taken to support verbally Hardtruth for one reason.......because I have dared to question HT.
Now, to prove that, watch what StarMan will now do. As for me, now I let him go. I just do not respond to him anymore. Pray for him!!! |
| Major
User ID: 647112
11/4/2009 10:44 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
OP, have you ever 'converted' anybody? If you don't like the word convert...has anyone ever bought your shtick about the TRUE CREATORS, and actually changed their life to accommodate that?
Actually there have been many, and before my demise hopefully many more!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Many? Like more than 10? More than 20? More than 100?
How did you do that? Did they see how together your life is and ask what you have because they wanted it too? Did you tell them about your beliefs and they said "Wow, that makes sense?"
Other? How did you convert people?
As you well know, deprogramming is a long and tedious process, I have no powers as to convert millions at a time!!
Speaking of powers, how about you, walking on water yet, or healing the sick, or feeding the hungry from one loaf of bread, as was promised by your jesus that you and his followers would do all the works of his plus more!!
How's that working out for you?
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
NOPE! Once again you have quoted as an atheist only what you want to be seen.
Jonathon does not have the power to walk on water and I can assure you for him he dosent want to. He doesnt need to.
Christ changed his black heart of sin to white and threw away his rags and gave him a white robe and a crown.
The works you misquoted WERE in fact done by the ones He said would do them and that was His Apostles.
He is in fact doing very well from what I read!!
You can love your false gods, false religion, and your failed prophecies till your hearts content!!
You cant sell me your B.S.!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Well there is our problem!!!!
We Christians have nothing for sell.
What we have is a free gift. All that is required is for you to take it. IF, I mean IF you would spend as much time trying to learn about Christ as you do defaming Him, you just might be able to become a preacher one day.
I don't have a problem grasshopper, I don't believe in fairy tales, nor do I make predictions that fail!!
And yes, you do try and sell your false religion disguised with love while trying to sell a loving god when your own scriptures portray a different story!!
Please, spare me your B.S.
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
I just love that name...GRASSHOPPER!
Another original??? No wait, a guy named Carridine did that.
You are correct, it is a term of endearment for the novice in training, as still are you!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
"ENDEARMENT"!!! See, i knew you cared. Thanks. |
| Major
User ID: 647112
11/4/2009 10:47 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE THE DAY LITTLE STAR WOULD ATTACK CHRISTIANS YET STAND UP AND WAG HIS TAIL FOR A SATANIST BS ARTIST SUCH AS HARD TRUTH.
WHAT ON EARTH IS WRONG WITH YOU LS?
I bet you don't even know what a Satanist is!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
Bet I do!!
Call you and raise you a chickens foot. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 516046
11/4/2009 10:51 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
After careful review I find no fraud in the bible.
I do run across people who can not understand parables.
Just as it should be because the bible is not for
everybody. |
| Major
User ID: 647112
11/4/2009 10:53 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
I remember a very wise man saying a long time ago......
"You will know them by their fruits"!
heh heh heh. True.
Yes, lets talk about knowing them by their fruits!!
Over two thousand years of the tribulation is here or christ is coming, and the rapture right around the corner having failed...lol, you're nothing but false prophets!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
How would you react to a mass UFO sightings and landings? What about contact? Let's say they claim to have written the bible, manipulated monkey DNA and created us. What will you believe then?
Be careful, this is likely to happen. Such a "strong delusion" would be hard for most to resist. Especially those who must have something physical to believe in...
The strong delusion you speak of will be a returned christ at a new Jerusalem with Israel at the helm ruling the world with a rod of iron!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
I asked you what you would believe if the above scenario played out, not what your opinion of the strong delusion would be, do you ever answer anybodies questions?
O...O.....O ...I know this one....NO!
But if it is available on-line he can copy it for you. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 647112
11/4/2009 10:57 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Yeah, it does suck.
But just because you do know some of these words, doesn't mean you don't twist things to your viewpoint either.
I never twist, but I do so enjoy untwisting the so called infallible word!!
:teeeehee:
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Your path of discovery has
found the truth again. 
Soul
In scripture, the term soul is used as a synonym for spirit to describe a person in four different phases of his or her eternal existence. Soul is used to describe a person in premortal life—before birth (see Abraham 3:23). During earth life, the soul is joined with a physical body (see Abraham 5:7). At death, the soul leaves the body and goes to the spirit world to await resurrection (see Alma 40:11–14). In the Resurrection, the body and soul are inseparably connected, which is called "the redemption of the soul" (see Alma 40:23; D&C 88:15–16). - [ link to www.lds.org]
Moses 3:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew. For I, the Lord God, created all things, of which I have spoken, spiritually, before they were naturally upon the face of the earth. For I, the Lord God, had not caused it to rain upon the face of the earth. And I, the Lord God, had created all the children of men; and not yet a man to till the ground; for in heaven created I them; and there was not yet flesh upon the earth, neither in the water, neither in the air;
HardTruth has seen through the deception again. 
[ link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
MC
WOW>..a Mormon agreeing with an atheist on spiritual matters.
Proves once again that Mormonism IS NOT CHRISTIANITY!!!
Thank the gods that the whole world isn't christianity!!
You folks are indoctrinated beyond any redemption, false religion to the grave!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
They are just as indoctrinated in their beliefs as you are in yours, yet, you think it is ok as long as they agree with you. You are exactly like them!
Make no mistake about it, the number of man being 6, and the christian religion finally being reduced to just 66 books is in no way just a coincidence!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
For someone who says he knows a lot about the Bible, your ignorance is astounding. Do you really believe what you just posted about #6. |
| MEV
User ID: 775817
11/5/2009 8:34 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Many are learning the Creator's name, and are using Yahweh, or something similar when referring to the god of Israel. But in Genesis and Exodus, the Hebrew word Myhla elohim (Strong's #430) is frequently used. In fact Gen 1:1 says: "In the beginning Elohim created ....".
Some are confused by this, and wonder whether Elohim and Yahweh might be two separate entities. Trinitarians exacerbate this confusion, and use it for their purpose, trying to show that their "God" is a plurality of persons. Some of them do this by saying that Elohim and Yahweh are two separate entities. Others do it by saying that the Hebrew word elohim, is itself, a plurality.
The purpose of this article is to reduce this confusion by showing that when the Bible refers to the Creator as Elohim, it means none other than the one and only Yahweh. The word elohim is a generic title. The phrase, "Yahweh your elohim", is like, "John your doctor", where elohim, and doctor, are not names, but titles.
Yahweh is a lone and single entity and in reference to Him, hundreds of verses use the word elohim as a singular title as follows:
Ex 20:2: I am Yahweh your elohim, who brought you out of the land of Egypt.
Lev 25:17: Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy elohim: for I am Yahweh your elohim.
Deut 6 Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our elohim is one Yahweh:
Deut 4:39: Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that Yahweh he is elohim in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.1
ELOHIM AS A SINGULAR TITLE
Some erroneously suppose the word elohim is always plural. Actually it is one of those kinds of words which can be either singular or plural. The context of its usage must be the determining factor. Here are some examples where it cannot possibly be plural.
Deut 4:35: To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh is elohim; there is no other beside him.
In this verse it is impossible for the word elohim to have a plural meaning!
Besides many texts where elohim is used as a singular title for Yahweh, it is also a singular title for various pagan deities; Chemosh, Milcom, Dagon and Ashtoreth.3 And it is singular in reference to Moses.3 So clearly, the word elohim is not always plural. In fact the only times it is plural is in some of the references to pagan deities.4
PAGAN DEITIES
Referring to a specific pagan deity, elohim is singular, but it is sometimes used in the plural sense referring to more than one, or to all of them collectively:
Ex 12:12 .... and against all the elohim of Egypt I will execute judgment: I am Yahweh.
Ex 18:11 Now I know that Yahweh is greater than all elohim: for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them.
Deut 12:3: ... you shall hew down the graven images of their elohim, and destroy the names of them out of that place.
Lev 19 Do not turn to idols, or make for yourselves molten elohim: I am Yahweh your elohim.5
ELOHIM AS AN APPELLATION
We have seen frequent and obvious use of elohim as a generic title. But a number of times in Genesis and Exodus it is used as an appellation (as if it were a name). We have the same situation in English with the word god as a title in the phrase, "the god of Abraham"; and as an appellation in the phrase "God is just". In Hebrew it would be, "the elohim of Abraham"; and "Elohim is just".
Hebrews used the word elohim from their human vocabulary when referring to the Creator. And that same Creator communicated to humans and said that His name is Yahweh. In Ex 6:2, some person wrote: Elohim spoke unto Moses and said, "I am Yahweh". This verse alone is sufficient to refute the teaching that Elohim is someone other than Yahweh.
YAHWEH IS ELOHIM
Yahweh and Elohim are not separate entities. Yahweh is Elohim just as Ex 6:2 says. Here is more proof:
Deut 4:35: To you it was shown, that you might know that Yahweh He is Elohim and there is none else beside Him.
Josh 22:34: ... for it shall be a witness between us that Yahweh is Elohim.
1 Ki 8:60: That all the people of the earth may know that Yahweh is Elohim, and that there is none else.
The confusion about this subject vanishes when you simply understand that elohim was a word which Hebrews used from their own human vocabulary in reference to the Creator, while Yahweh is the name which that Creator revealed to Moses. The history in Genesis and Exodus was written by someone who sometimes used the word elohim from the human vocabulary, and other times used Yahweh, the name revealed to Moses, but always in reference to the same one and only Creator.
The Bible gives no indication that the true elohim is more than one or that He is anyone other than Yahweh! Only the one true Creator has power over physical laws so as to do miracles. He did those miracles in the presence of Israelites and Egyptians to show His power and identity.
Deut 4:35: To you (the Israelites) it (the miracles) was shown, that you might know that Yahweh He is Elohim (the powerful Creator) and there is none else beside Him.
End Notes:
1 And there are dozens more similar examples of elohim used as a singular title in reference to Yahweh. You can see a complete list of them by looking up Strong's #430 in Englishman's concordance. Yahweh your elohim is translated in most English bibles as the LORD your God.
2 Although false or powerless, these were considered to be singular entities. See 1 Ki 11:5; 11:33 and Judg 16:23.
3 Ex 7:1: And Yahweh said unto Moses, see, I have made you elohim to Pharaoh .... This does not mean that Moses really was elohim. But it surely appeared to Pharaoh that he was elohim.
4 Some may disagree by citing Ex 21:6 & 22:8-9 but there is no reason to translate elohim as judges here. The meaning here is that the subject (person) is to be brought to elohim (Yahweh) at His court just as litigants are required to do in Deut 19:17.
Wrong again HT. Nice try though. May our Father open your eyes to the truth. |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
11/5/2009 8:58 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Lets NOT look at the book of Enoch, either 1, 2 simply because they are not considered inspired and are not in the cannon of Scriptures.
Now you know why.
It is clear that the authors of the NT were familiar with Enoch as evidenced in the Book of Jude, in the Book of Hebrews we see more evidence of non Canonical sources with Melchizedek, I am pretty sure the early Christians (Ebionites) had the same or a similar scroll library to the one found at the Dead Sea. I am pretty sure Jesus was familiar with these scrolls, and extra canonical tales of Enoch and Melchizedek.
By the way... the word "TRINITY" appears 12 times in the Tanakh. Does that mean you believe in the Trinity now????
Prove it or I'm calling bullshit. The Trinity is Greek, not Jewish. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810168
Bravo! Someone who has their eyes open! |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
11/5/2009 9:00 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
I always allow room for mistakes, for nothing I believe is carved in stone, yet!!
And, is that true? Nothing you believe is carved in stone? Nothing at all?
Did you mean to say that?
If it's true then how do you even know if anything you believe is true? And, how can one stand strong on something they are not 100% sure they believe? I mean how do you know what 'it' is if 'it' keeps changing every 5 minutes?
Jonathan, you sure are hard on Hardtruth.
I could ask you the same thing, and present a question to you ..
Are you sure 100% you are not going to be deceived in the hour of temptation and 100% sure your going to heaven?
I could say "yea, I am 100% sure I will go to heaven", but in my imperfection I have to trust the Lord or I know I will only make it by His grace. So my 100% goes out the window when it comes to me not being in control of who shall judge me.
I cannot control God as He judges me and neither can you or anyone.
The main problem I have with Christians are they seem to be motivated by a reward doctrine, its almost childish...if you do good deeds in life, you get a piece of candy when you die...how about not lying cheating or stealing because that shit is fucked up? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810168
In the flesh, not one is perfect. That is my main point. |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
11/5/2009 9:03 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
As for me, there are few people I truly admire and those people do not talk about their own greatness. Funny though because I see them as great. Not that I see them as 'above' others, in that I see their humanity, and they have problems like everybody else.... but....they handle those things in a great way. That's the key.
Those few people I admire never speak about how great they are. In fact, they are the most humbled people that I know. Humility is a wonderful quality in a human being, and quite something to behold when it is genuine.
I have noticed there are tons of people posting on the board who talk about how enlightened they are, etc. I am starting to wonder if this board contains the highest per capita population of narcissistically inclined individuals on the internet.
I see where you are coming from, some of the best people I know are die hard Christians, some of the worst people I know are as well. Some of the best people I know are Buddhists, some of the worst are as well (you see where I am going here?)
And by best, I do not mean the most financially successful, but the most at peace, solid families, etc.
If you feel Christianity has moved you, and moved your heart, there is no need to argue over nonsense, like you seem to know, let your actions speak for your faith. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810168
Lots of ego's are running high in all religions and non-religions. |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
11/5/2009 9:06 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Jonathan, you sure are hard on Hardtruth.
I could ask you the same thing, and present a question to you ..
Are you sure 100% you are not going to be deceived in the hour of temptation and 100% sure your going to heaven?
I could say "yea, I am 100% sure I will go to heaven", but in my imperfection I have to trust the Lord or I know I will only make it by His grace. So my 100% goes out the window when it comes to me not being in control of who shall judge me.
I cannot control God as He judges me and neither can you or anyone.
Do you perceive asking candid, direct, and sometimes difficult questions in a rational manner to be 'hard?' If so, then I guess I would qualify as to your definition of 'hard.'
I am quite comfortable saying that I am 100% sure of what I believe. This is not the same as being 100% sure of what I will do at any future given moment of my life, because I do not have the ability to predict my actions the future.
More important than all that though, is that God will be 100% reliable whenever and wherever his children fail. I am 100% sure of that. With that kind of perfect help, I need not worry about any of those things you listed like being deceived or going to heaven.
I take God's promises literally in that I actually believe what he says. I mean really believe it. When we do there is really nothing to worry about. Why spend time questioning what God has already said is the case? Quoting: Jonathan
Fantastic , it is nice to see you standing in the victory circle. My questions were not for me telling you that I am worried about anything. The questions were given to present a bit of truth of who stands in the victory circle. I have already stated that I have victory.
My words are not about you personally, it is to bring something forward which I will after I answer some few other postings. Then you will see why I asked you some questions. Thanks for your patience. |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
11/5/2009 9:12 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE THE DAY LITTLE STAR WOULD ATTACK CHRISTIANS YET STAND UP AND WAG HIS TAIL FOR A SATANIST BS ARTIST SUCH AS HARD TRUTH.
WHAT ON EARTH IS WRONG WITH YOU LS? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810529
There is nothing wrong with me at all. Boy I believe the Holy Spirit is really working here on this sight. I am going to use your posting as for the reason as to why I have been posting the way I have. Let us see who is the accuser and the power players after the words I post. Pay attention, maybe you might learn something about the rocks you throw so quickly.
(NOTE TO HARDTRUTH:) Hardtruth, I am going to take the liberty to post something about you that you have posted about yourself in the past, and I want to share that information to help all of these great Christian brother and sisters of mine to see what the churches are doing to people and what Christians are doing to others all in the name of Christ. So forgive me ahead of time Hardtruth.
I will post it in my next posting.
Pay attention 810529, you will be brought into the equation also by you saying I attack Christians. Pay real close attention! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810816
11/5/2009 9:16 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
This guy hard truth thinks he know some thing
he does not
I dont have time to look at all this junk but
the first thing he said is incorrect
The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods. What is the first sentence in the Bible?
el and elohim are 2 different divine names
Elohim is not plural, it is a personal Divine name
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen. 1:1).
Here is Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew (transliterated into the Latin alphabet, of course):
"Bereshith bara elohim," etc.,
"In-beginning created (the) gods (the) heavens and (the) earth."
this a lie "In-beginning created Elohim (the) heavens and (the) earth."
there is the in the Hebrew by (the) heavens and (the) earth."
there is no "the" in the verse before the "Divine Name"
This guy is very deceiving
especially if you dont know the Hebrew |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810816
11/5/2009 9:20 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
so proper translation is
"In the Beginning Elohim created the Heaven and the earth"
Not the Elohim (Gods)
Just Elohim-God |
| Wingedlion 
Wingedlion
User ID: 364119
11/5/2009 9:23 AM
 | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
This guy hard truth thinks he know some thing
he does not
I dont have time to look at all this junk but
the first thing he said is incorrect
The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods. What is the first sentence in the Bible?
el and elohim are 2 different divine names
Elohim is not plural, it is a personal Divine name
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen. 1:1).
Here is Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew (transliterated into the Latin alphabet, of course):
"Bereshith bara elohim," etc.,
"In-beginning created (the) gods (the) heavens and (the) earth."
this a lie "In-beginning created Elohim (the) heavens and (the) earth."
there is the in the Hebrew by (the) heavens and (the) earth."
there is no "the" in the verse before the "Divine Name"
This guy is very deceiving
especially if you dont know the Hebrew Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810816
Yes, He (Hard Truth) is just like his puppett masters, the Nephilim rulers of the NWO. He has bought into their lie, and adopted their philosophy, and committed their blasphemy. This offence will be righteously judged by the Lord God, but HT will survive because he has a servant of the Lord who loves him and has prayed for him.
HT will survive the coming Harvest, but will loose everything and everyone he has ever loved. A high price for foolishness don't you think? You should pity the darkness that he is under, and pray that all his controllers perish in the Great harvest of the Tares/ Fall of Mystery Babylon the Great. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810816
11/5/2009 9:31 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
all this stuff is coming from
zecharia sitchin
The Israeli secularist
Nwo stooge
all his translations of sumarian are ridiculous lies
he runs the secular "political" Israeli Agenda
The are the bad side of the modern state
there is a spiritual side there trying to Overcome
these evil secularists and their remote robot units like
hard truth
it is like they are possessed
they dont even know who they are working for |
| Major
User ID: 574846
11/5/2009 9:42 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
I remember a very wise man saying a long time ago......
"You will know them by their fruits"!
heh heh heh. True.
Yes, lets talk about knowing them by their fruits!!
Over two thousand years of the tribulation is here or christ is coming, and the rapture right around the corner having failed...lol, you're nothing but false prophets!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
How would you react to a mass UFO sightings and landings? What about contact? Let's say they claim to have written the bible, manipulated monkey DNA and created us. What will you believe then?
Be careful, this is likely to happen. Such a "strong delusion" would be hard for most to resist. Especially those who must have something physical to believe in...
The strong delusion you speak of will be a returned christ at a new Jerusalem with Israel at the helm ruling the world with a rod of iron!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
NOPE! That is the FACT. |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
11/5/2009 10:25 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
A year or two ago I was reading one of Hardtruths threads, he was presenting his information, and along with it he announced his past of what church he went too. He also said how devastated he was from the actions of his fellow brothers and sisters of his faith.
Think about that for a moment Christians. Think really hard about that. Here is a person who was looking for God and because something happened, he was ousted or left because of being hurt.
One of the first things that happened to me 3 days after my baptize was I was traveling in my new van to go to a customer on a rainy day. As I got to the town where I was going, I saw a hitchhiker on the side of the road. It was raining really hard. I was talking to the Lord outwardly asking why do I have to stop to pick up this person because the Lord was telling me too. So I stopped the van, rolled down my passengers window and asked if I could help that person. She was a woman that looked like a wild creature, dirty, hair that had the appearance of not been combed in years, and rags for clothing.
I gave that person a lift and asked where I needed to take her. She told me and was quite. I asked her did she have a car and did it break down. She said she did not own a car. She said she lived in the streets. I thought about that for a moment then I asked her this question, " who hurt you so much that you think so little of yourself that you have chosen to live in the streets?". Here response took me by surprise. And it was " I was told I was never going to be able to go to heaven by my church." (She gave me her church name, but that is not important.)
So we have a child of God being told by some church that she could not go to heaven. I asked her what her sin was, and it was because she did not obey one of the elders. It had nothing to do with any sin she had done. It was based on the power play of some person who was in a high seat of that church.
Most Christians do not know the damage they do by pointing their fingers at the non-believers and those that used to be church goers. They sit in their churches thinking they are so righteous and are walking with God closer than everyone else in the world. Pastor are even worst than their congregations. They present themselves as the greatest thing since bread was first made. They power play, are so puffed up, and are quick to play head games, and use any method they can to be-little anyone going against the authority. As a matter of fact, look at many of the Christian threads on glp alone. Look at the in-fighting that goes on within those threads. Most don't really want to come together to figure out the truth of the past, the truth of the Word, they want to push their traditions, or special bible schools teachings onto each other and pride themselves as hero's being the best of the best.
(NOTE: I am guilty of doing that also in the past...) Even tho God has been working with me to show me what is going on in the world today under the Christian system, I have been guilty of doing it too to others. (My proof of doing that can be found in one of the early days of me being on glp going after a person with the avatar name of SOT.
After I had done that, God rocked me again, shaking me telling me to stop, and for me to do it the way He commanded me too. I recently have tried to help a pastor in his pride by playing my part to help him see how damaging he can be because of his pride. That still did not help. So I have been praying asking God to open a window to help me get the message that God wants me to bring to all of His children.
What is that message? Here it is. Matthew 25:1 " Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps ((((MY supposition now.. Their minds))), and went forth to meet the bridegroom." (2)" And five of them were wise, and five were foolish." (3) " They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them." (((Had not truths in them, again my words to help everyone see))) (4)"But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps." (5) While the bridegroom tarried, they ALL slumbered and slept. ( Note: Amos 8:11) (6) And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold he bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him." (7) "Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. ( I can assure you the latter day rain will fall on that group of virgins) (8) And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil: (Spiritual truth, not traditions of men) for our lamps are gone out."
Now for the message. We see daily on glp, the in fighting of Christians and the bashings. As a Christian myself, I feel so ashamed at times as to what God has been showing me and what MOST CHRISTIANS are doing to each other and to non-believers. ( I see that I have even been accused of going against other Christians by someone because I did not stay with the bashing power playing group of super preachers and super Christians.) What pride we all have, what glory we all have in ourselves. I know I will get a huge beating for presenting this, and I can count on it happening. But it will again show the mindset of what the foolish virgins are doing to each other.
The scripture I posted is not just learning scripture and learning the truth, it is a teaching of how to be towards each other and even to those that are non-Christians.
Some of you are so offended because I have given Hardtruth respect. Too bad you can't see the log that is in your own eyes.
Hardtruth knows me well enough from my words that I do respect him as a person, and that we can agree to disagree on many things without me beating him with words.
I will give you an example of one thing that we talked about and if he has honor in himself, and I know he does, he will tell you too that we had this conversation.
He used to come forward and call Gods name "Yahweh". I talked to him and proved to him how and where to find the correct name of God and how it is hidden in the bible (King James), and yes even the NIV has it there because those who changed many meanings of the original manuscripts did not know how to white wash the hidden name of God, so they left those scriptures unchanged. (Might of been some real power of God into that, you be the judge of it.)
I did not bash Hardtruth presenting that truth to him, and he accepted it because now if you check from his old threads to his new threads you will see that he has found that I was correct in presenting Gods real name and he began to use it correctly in his threads, even on this thread. (Hardtruth, again bro, I am using what we had talked about in the past to show what is going on in the world, and many thought you were not being used to bring forth truth.)
People underestimate the power of God and the working of the "REAL" Holy Spirit, and God can even use a non-believer to bring forth His truths. Oh I can hear it now from the prideful Christians, "no that is not true". Well you just witnessed it, and if your too blind to see it, it is not my fault.
I want to also take the time to share some other truth for all you Christians, my brothers and sisters who say they love the Lord.
My wife used to work for AC Neilson in Chicago area division years ago back in the late 70's. She was involved with one of their polls and sent out hundreds of thousands of poll sheets to as many of churches as they could find listed. They had one question on the poll sheet and the question was this.
"As a pastor of your church, do you personally believe in God."
The result was astounding. 82 percent said they did not believe in a god nor the God of Christian faith.
What I just said about AC Neilson is on record, so you can take it as truth or un-truth, it is your own choice.
Amos 8:11 has been fulfilled and I am watching it increasing daily. We all have witnessed on glp about a pastor who said "NUKES BEFORE THE END OF OCT". Did it happen? NO!
So what is the non-believer suppose to do with all of us Christians who believe in God, who believe in the blood of Christ and what He had done for us all when they see the actions of Christians?
Oh, I can guarantee that there will be many Christians slam dunking me now, accusing me of blasting fellow Christians. Instead they should be humbling themselves and trimming their lamps and getting themselves ready instead of worrying who is going to fry like a piece of bacon in hell, and beating others with their righteous scripture presentations.
Now, the virgins of Matthew 25:1 to 11 is Christians, so Christ is talking to Christians there, and non-Christians.
Not one time have I see in scripture where Christ was teaching did He act like Christians do when it comes to scripture studying. NOT ONE!
I have in the past 7 years been helping ex-Christians who have been ousted from their denominational churches, the rejects of churches to bring them the truth of what is going on and how they can walk with God without having someone telling them they will never see heaven.
So, when you high and mighty Christian group get upset because I respect Hardtruth, and have been working gently with him, respecting his presentations and respecting his character, and gently sharing my truths with him without bashing him; can just go ask God how perfect you really are with your walk with the Lord. Tell God how great you are and how perfect you are reaching out to the world doing the Lords work. Tell God just how perfect you are!
I have opened my heart up, and what I have been doing here on glp for the past years, and I have never said what I have share in this post before. And if it bothers some of you, let it. I have nothing to prove to any of you Christians in my walk with the Lord, or how the Holy Spirit is working in my life. At least I am not basting anymore, and I am not making false prophetic prophecies about NUKES or any number of scenarios that I have read over the years coming from so called higher than other of the world super preachers and power playing Christians.
Now that I have said this, let me have it, I can take it. Throw your rocks and let the chips fall where they may.
Before you throw your rocks, ask yourself just how you will look to non-believers as you pick up the largest rock you can find to throw.
No matter what you say to me, I will love you as a brother and sister, if you are a believer or a none believer, we are ALL Gods children!
NOTE to Hardtruth. Thank you sir for letting me be apart of your thread!
I respect both believes and non-believers because I am not going to take the place of God position and judge others. (Psalms 50:6" And the heavens shall declare his righteousness; For God is the judge Himself." Selah
Selah means = think about it in deep thought. |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
11/5/2009 10:32 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE THE DAY LITTLE STAR WOULD ATTACK CHRISTIANS YET STAND UP AND WAG HIS TAIL FOR A SATANIST BS ARTIST SUCH AS HARD TRUTH.
WHAT ON EARTH IS WRONG WITH YOU LS?
Believe me when I tell you that Mr. Star is a troubled person. We have crossed paths before and he has rejected Bible truth for his own opinions. Instead of civil conversation he became very angry and has taken to personal attacks because I dared to call his teaching false and un-biblical. Then at the expence of divine retrobution, he has taken to support verbally Hardtruth for one reason.......because I have dared to question HT.
Now, to prove that, watch what StarMan will now do. As for me, now I let him go. I just do not respond to him anymore. Pray for him!!! Quoting: Major 647112
You sir are the perfect example of how pastors power play others, and your pride is very high.
I am not angry at all, you are the one I pointed out in my previous posting and I even told you what I was doing with you, and now you are throwing rocks to justify your pride and your authority. And forgive me for pointing that out to you, but as I said on the other thread I will say it again.
You will be standing in front of your congregation and the Holy Spirit will fall upon you and you will begin to weep and cry, and your congregation will not understand what is going on. God is going to share personal things to you about you right in front of your congregation. (Your words to them will be this..."Forgive me congregation for letting you down."
I am sure you will find fault in me posting what will happen to you. |
| Major
User ID: 574846
11/5/2009 11:00 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
You want to change us because you say we are lost, deluded, ignorant, etc...
These charges are the very charges you have levied against we who believe and yet you claim you are nothing like us.
I see no difference.
Oh but there is a big difference between you and me!!
You'll not get burned at the stake for not believing my way, nor dis-felleowshipped, shunned, or excommunicated, etc, etc!!
I do not need to score points by saving souls to a belief structure to get into any heaven, nor am I under any commands to spread the so called good words of religion!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
O..how quickly we forget the real facts don't we????
You think and say you will be burned at the stake and shunned etc. etc. But in fact it was the CHRISTIANS who were burned at the stake, and used as gladiators folly and food for lions. But now you want to give the impression that because YOU do not believe in God, all of the Christians are out to get you. What a folly you are.
Then you give the impression that Christians get paid for spreading the gospel when in fact the Bible tells us to "dust off our feet and move on when the Word is rejected".
WHY is it HD that you condemn what Christians do, and then you turn and do the exact same thing??? |
| Major
User ID: 574846
11/5/2009 11:06 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE THE DAY LITTLE STAR WOULD ATTACK CHRISTIANS YET STAND UP AND WAG HIS TAIL FOR A SATANIST BS ARTIST SUCH AS HARD TRUTH.
WHAT ON EARTH IS WRONG WITH YOU LS?
Believe me when I tell you that Mr. Star is a troubled person. We have crossed paths before and he has rejected Bible truth for his own opinions. Instead of civil conversation he became very angry and has taken to personal attacks because I dared to call his teaching false and un-biblical. Then at the expence of divine retrobution, he has taken to support verbally Hardtruth for one reason.......because I have dared to question HT.
Now, to prove that, watch what StarMan will now do. As for me, now I let him go. I just do not respond to him anymore. Pray for him!!!
You sir are the perfect example of how pastors power play others, and your pride is very high.
I am not angry at all, you are the one I pointed out in my previous posting and I even told you what I was doing with you, and now you are throwing rocks to justify your pride and your authority. And forgive me for pointing that out to you, but as I said on the other thread I will say it again.
You will be standing in front of your congregation and the Holy Spirit will fall upon you and you will begin to weep and cry, and your congregation will not understand what is going on. God is going to share personal things to you about you right in front of your congregation. (Your words to them will be this..."Forgive me congregation for letting you down."
I am sure you will find fault in me posting what will happen to you. Quoting: Little Star
I have no pride and no authority over you.
I simply stated the facts and allow you to prove them.
Forgive me for not responding to you but I do not believe in psychics as you just demonstrated you to be. Telling the future and witchcraft is strictly forbidden by the Word of God. Deut. 18. |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
11/5/2009 11:21 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
You want to change us because you say we are lost, deluded, ignorant, etc...
These charges are the very charges you have levied against we who believe and yet you claim you are nothing like us.
I see no difference.
Oh but there is a big difference between you and me!!
You'll not get burned at the stake for not believing my way, nor dis-felleowshipped, shunned, or excommunicated, etc, etc!!
I do not need to score points by saving souls to a belief structure to get into any heaven, nor am I under any commands to spread the so called good words of religion!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
O..how quickly we forget the real facts don't we????
You think and say you will be burned at the stake and shunned etc. etc. But in fact it was the CHRISTIANS who were burned at the stake, and used as gladiators folly and food for lions. But now you want to give the impression that because YOU do not believe in God, all of the Christians are out to get you. What a folly you are.
Then you give the impression that Christians get paid for spreading the gospel when in fact the Bible tells us to "dust off our feet and move on when the Word is rejected".
WHY is it HD that you condemn what Christians do, and then you turn and do the exact same thing??? Quoting: Major 574846
Major, I know you don't want to chat with me, but that is fine.
Sir, I think you need to talk to God for a moment. Go into prayer and ask God about yourself.
As I shared with all on this thread, many people are leaving the churches because of power playing super preachers who do not teach with gentleness and they are hurting people because of their earthly authority.
Do you think the falling away of the church spoken of in the bible is false doctrine and how do you really think it is going to happen in the latter days in which we live in?
If there is going to be a falling away, which the bible declares, which part of that is going to be your part?
My questions do not need to be answered. You just think about them for a moment without putting me, Hardtruth, any other fellow Christian into your next thoughts.
Just sit there for a moment and ask the REAL Holy Spirit to reveal to you about you! |
| messageinlightbulb"DJED P
User ID: 807933
11/5/2009 11:22 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Hieroglyphics surpasses all the bullshit written.
Now lets talk wisdom as in the true light time remains still adjusting all of mankind and all of nature in the blink of the eye,
I have read the forum,it appears the poster of this forum in around about way of expression coincides of some wisdom no doubt,
The expression of the post can be greatly enhance as there are 22 faiths in all,creating what billions read on a daily basis,"MASS FUSION"
It is not that all of you are extreme dunbasses,its just you not know how to read hieroglyphics,and for thousands of years your time,you have been in war of these reasons,and for thousands of years you have no wisdom to leap above your faith,it remains the 22 nest of great wisdom,like the 22 nest of the forest screaming that your nest is better,yet the great bird invades your nest,and you feel hopeless.
The foundation of stability of your nest were created of your upbringing you were birth in these nest,and to the readers great respect must remain of the 22 nest of faith.
To further understand true light and stability one must understand infinity,rebirth as carved in stone,hieroglyphics,Rosetta,These are the holiest tablets of your earth,it surpasses all the faiths of your earth,creating true stability of my spine as carved in stone.
The Hebrew text,Jewish text,Greek text,Aramaic text,like so many adjust to the language of all nations,to understand global language one must understand"DJED PILLARS"=mountain of true frequencies of location as there are many sites of your earth of its seven wonders,that still to day man can not concept.
Although the great Giza remains only a shadow of the real mountain of "GOD".
It will remain a guide post for many as we relearn the meaning of our rebirth cycles infinity,eternity never ending cycles of rebirth of manifesting DNA of the ARK
In your birth you were given the DNA particles known in English interpretation as snake,
In the true light of god these particles will release up the spine and out the eye,this is called the all-seeing eye,and yes for the first time you truly will see as carved in stone,
The only truth to any word of this nation is of the true light as carved in stone,DEC 21,2006,winter solstice,nothing of this earth global can change that wisdom all will adjust to the spine of the elect as carved in stone.
Now lets discuss light as in the light time remains still infinity,eternity as carved in stone.
To understand light one must understand time as you think you know it,
Now if the students will look up ancient helicopter carved in stone in the hieroglyphics some 3,500 years ago your time.
I will try my best to coach the classroom through this knowledge.
Now again its not that you are a dumbass its that you not know.
Now mountain of god is real folks,that's right "REAL" now if the student will see the mountain missing in the guts of the craft as carved in stone,now put your dollar bill in the guts,that's called mountain,now if the students will remove the bricks of the mountain of the dollar bill you will see the 13 bars,these bars are time as you know it,yet you truly are fixin to understand it,and please be patient.
Now here's how the true light of god works,and so far no one of your earth can debunk me,and if so i step aside.
When you truly receive the light of god you will see the djed bars rise and split into wavy lines as carved in stone,that's called rebirth and stability as written in Hebrew Jewish text,the true light of god activation 3rd eye=elect of god light as carved in stone,all adjust to the spine of the elect=DNA
Now here's what happens when you try to land on these frequencies of alignment,here's what happens when you try to land on mountain of formation of cleansing of true nature and its rebirth cycles of mankind,and all things,Now understand in hieroglyphics time remains still.
OK now,----------when your high technology tried to land on mountain it put you back in time,lost so to speak.
Now you have heard of chemtrails right,U ARE CORRECT as your high technology broke up these cleansing of chemicals of nature while nature was cleansing you,NOW you have bird flu.
SEE PEOPLE mountain is your rebirth cycles,mountain is truly infinity,mountain is truly the light of god,now here we are with no true communications as djed pillars are true communications,now here we have,no cleansing of nature for its adjustments as carved in stone,so what we have is great instability as carved in stone creating mass communication problems.
The only true stability of your earth is of the light of god,just as carved in stone surpassing all the bullshit written,so here we are with swine flu.The reason why you have swine flu is the break up of great mountain of god formation,let me add only a piece of its total formation of great alignment.
Now remember in the light time remains still in hieroglyphics adjusting all of mankind to the spine of the elect.
Now your high technology as offered you the white bass substance that grows back body parts,your high technology has been getting samples of this alignment in the air,and you wonder why you have these flu problems,
Now here i am right talking to you as hieroglyphics is my expertise,some 16 thousand hours of study in the light,only after i received the true light of god DEC 21,2006,for in my hands the flag of all faiths and there nations as carved in stone,
When the great bars gave rise and split into wavy lines at the rivers of great secrets four in all it open up the port hole of infinity and truth of my spine as carved in stone,for all wavy lines meet back to set its next stages as carved in stone,
As i have two more rivers to cross,i hold the flag of stability of all nations and there faiths as carved in stone.
UNITY PEACE FREEDOM lightson tah
mesageinbottle13@gmail.com |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
11/5/2009 11:37 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE THE DAY LITTLE STAR WOULD ATTACK CHRISTIANS YET STAND UP AND WAG HIS TAIL FOR A SATANIST BS ARTIST SUCH AS HARD TRUTH.
WHAT ON EARTH IS WRONG WITH YOU LS?
Believe me when I tell you that Mr. Star is a troubled person. We have crossed paths before and he has rejected Bible truth for his own opinions. Instead of civil conversation he became very angry and has taken to personal attacks because I dared to call his teaching false and un-biblical. Then at the expence of divine retrobution, he has taken to support verbally Hardtruth for one reason.......because I have dared to question HT.
Now, to prove that, watch what StarMan will now do. As for me, now I let him go. I just do not respond to him anymore. Pray for him!!!
You sir are the perfect example of how pastors power play others, and your pride is very high.
I am not angry at all, you are the one I pointed out in my previous posting and I even told you what I was doing with you, and now you are throwing rocks to justify your pride and your authority. And forgive me for pointing that out to you, but as I said on the other thread I will say it again.
You will be standing in front of your congregation and the Holy Spirit will fall upon you and you will begin to weep and cry, and your congregation will not understand what is going on. God is going to share personal things to you about you right in front of your congregation. (Your words to them will be this..."Forgive me congregation for letting you down."
I am sure you will find fault in me posting what will happen to you.
I have no pride and no authority over you.
I simply stated the facts and allow you to prove them.
Forgive me for not responding to you but I do not believe in psychics as you just demonstrated you to be. Telling the future and witchcraft is strictly forbidden by the Word of God. Deut. 18. Quoting: Major 574846
Many times the Lord has given me truths. Many time pastors have attacked me. My moms husband a pastor (because my father passed away, she remarried a pastor)had said the same thing you just said to me pointing out the very scripture. As he witnessed with his own eyes, he saw what I said. He got really upset with me and blasted me before the event.
What did I tell him?
I told him that God wanted me to come to his church(which I had not done before) and that there was a woman that will be there that is very sick and I needed to pass on some information to her personally because she was hurting. ( He got really upset with me.)
That Sat. night I was at his church. The lead pastor stood up and said this.." We have a new person today that called me at my house. I don't know how this woman found my phone number and knew I was a pastor because our church does not have a phone because we have a long standing feud with the phone company. So then the pastor introduced the woman. She was there and she had a huge concaved hole in the right side of her head from an operation and was really sick.
See my moms pastor got upset because he declared that there is no one in his church as sick as I said there would be that night.
So, as the night went on, I told my wife before hand when the Holy Spirit touches me and lets me go to the woman, I will move without letting my wife know.
So as the singing was going on, the Holy Spirit touched me and told me to go to that woman. I began to speak with her and let her know that God is with her and that God is not condemning her and that God is not forsaking her because of her illness and letting her have these health issues as a way as punishment. See, her ex-church told her she was being punished and that is why she was sick.
She cried and I gave her some more personal info about herself which I cannot tell you. She thanked me for listening to God helping her find "peace" with herself and with God.
So, you can bring all the scriptures you want to forward and tell me just how wicked I am. I know the REAL HOLY SPIRIT and how God works and I am not out to be something that I am not. Do you think I like having to present to you something that the Lord has given to me? It hurts me to have to be the one that has to bring a message to someone who is hurting or in your case, stuck on pride.
Brother, I am not your enemy. I am not some monster, and I am not someone who is out to blast you or to hurt you.
And it does not matter to me if you believe what I have outwardly presented to you in public, and I wish I did not have to tell you about the on going "pastors" pride, and the Christian "pride". Hey, I call myself a Christian, and I know I am, and your not going to strip anything from me like many pastors do with their congregations. You have no authority over me!
I stand by what I have said.
Last Edited by Little Star on 11/5/2009 at 11:43 AM |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
11/5/2009 11:45 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
PS Major. If you want to contact my mother, and her husband, I will be more than gladly give you their phone number. If you want the number of the Lead pastor I will do that also.
I will give you any information I can to let you know God is going to move upon you like you never have felt before. And if you find fault it that, go ahead. |
| Major
User ID: 574846
11/5/2009 12:03 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
You want to change us because you say we are lost, deluded, ignorant, etc...
These charges are the very charges you have levied against we who believe and yet you claim you are nothing like us.
I see no difference.
Oh but there is a big difference between you and me!!
You'll not get burned at the stake for not believing my way, nor dis-felleowshipped, shunned, or excommunicated, etc, etc!!
I do not need to score points by saving souls to a belief structure to get into any heaven, nor am I under any commands to spread the so called good words of religion!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
O..how quickly we forget the real facts don't we????
You think and say you will be burned at the stake and shunned etc. etc. But in fact it was the CHRISTIANS who were burned at the stake, and used as gladiators folly and food for lions. But now you want to give the impression that because YOU do not believe in God, all of the Christians are out to get you. What a folly you are.
Then you give the impression that Christians get paid for spreading the gospel when in fact the Bible tells us to "dust off our feet and move on when the Word is rejected".
WHY is it HD that you condemn what Christians do, and then you turn and do the exact same thing???
Major, I know you don't want to chat with me, but that is fine.
Sir, I think you need to talk to God for a moment. Go into prayer and ask God about yourself.
As I shared with all on this thread, many people are leaving the churches because of power playing super preachers who do not teach with gentleness and they are hurting people because of their earthly authority.
Do you think the falling away of the church spoken of in the bible is false doctrine and how do you really think it is going to happen in the latter days in which we live in?
If there is going to be a falling away, which the bible declares, which part of that is going to be your part?
My questions do not need to be answered. You just think about them for a moment without putting me, Hardtruth, any other fellow Christian into your next thoughts.
Just sit there for a moment and ask the REAL Holy Spirit to reveal to you about you! Quoting: Little Star
Starman.
It is probably me, but I must tell you that you are a difficult person to talk with. You just listed this long testimony of some kind, blameing pastors and churches for the problems of people and christainity and it fact the world. You point at everyone but not at yourself.
It seems to me you are blameing everyone except you. Your hatered, and antimosity toward the church and Gods preachers is beyound my understanding unless maybe you were sexually molested at any early age by one of them. I have given you the Bible verses that tell us we as Christians are not to bring railing accusations against Gods ministers but you ignore that and continue on. You say you know the Bible so then why do you ignore that part of it???
I believe the falling away you speak of is because of people who will not read Gods Word and take it as it is given. They and you would fall into that group who want want to change the Word of God to match your personal opinions. It just can not be done. BUT if you want to...go right ahead. I do not care! I will not defame you for not believing me and my understanding of the Scriptures.
But when I disagree with you, you go on the attack mode. You defame education, you make fun of pastors and use condasending words and innuendoes to place yourself in a holier than thou position.
Then when someone does not agree with you, you begain to berate them and challege them by saying they are pridefull and powerful. Then in the same breath you want us to believe that you are somekind of PEACE maker. That in itself sets YOU up as a PRIDEFUL man, set for a fall.
Starman, YOU my friend are the one beginning the confrontations among Christians. YOU are not bringinng Christians together and soothing the feelings of non-believers by argueing with me.
I have not been responding to your posts for exactly that reason. I did not want non-believers to see the back and forth that you instigate.
Now, that the air is cleared....lets move on shall we????
Lets play nice and give a good testimony that can be seen by all.
God bless you. |
| Major
User ID: 574846
11/5/2009 12:06 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
PS Major. If you want to contact my mother, and her husband, I will be more than gladly give you their phone number. If you want the number of the Lead pastor I will do that also.
I will give you any information I can to let you know God is going to move upon you like you never have felt before. And if you find fault it that, go ahead. Quoting: Little Star
I do not look for fault.
Enough stuff finds its way to my door without having to go look for more. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803462
11/5/2009 12:27 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
A year or two ago I was reading one of Hardtruths threads, he was presenting his information, and along with it he announced his past of what church he went too. He also said how devastated he was from the actions of his fellow brothers and sisters of his faith.
Think about that for a moment Christians. Think really hard about that. Here is a person who was looking for God and because something happened, he was ousted or left because of being hurt.
One of the first things that happened to me 3 days after my baptize was I was traveling in my new van to go to a customer on a rainy day. As I got to the town where I was going, I saw a hitchhiker on the side of the road. It was raining really hard. I was talking to the Lord outwardly asking why do I have to stop to pick up this person because the Lord was telling me too. So I stopped the van, rolled down my passengers window and asked if I could help that person. She was a woman that looked like a wild creature, dirty, hair that had the appearance of not been combed in years, and rags for clothing.
I gave that person a lift and asked where I needed to take her. She told me and was quite. I asked her did she have a car and did it break down. She said she did not own a car. She said she lived in the streets. I thought about that for a moment then I asked her this question, " who hurt you so much that you think so little of yourself that you have chosen to live in the streets?". Here response took me by surprise. And it was " I was told I was never going to be able to go to heaven by my church." (She gave me her church name, but that is not important.)
So we have a child of God being told by some church that she could not go to heaven. I asked her what her sin was, and it was because she did not obey one of the elders. It had nothing to do with any sin she had done. It was based on the power play of some person who was in a high seat of that church.
Most Christians do not know the damage they do by pointing their fingers at the non-believers and those that used to be church goers. They sit in their churches thinking they are so righteous and are walking with God closer than everyone else in the world. Pastor are even worst than their congregations. They present themselves as the greatest thing since bread was first made. They power play, are so puffed up, and are quick to play head games, and use any method they can to be-little anyone going against the authority. As a matter of fact, look at many of the Christian threads on glp alone. Look at the in-fighting that goes on within those threads. Most don't really want to come together to figure out the truth of the past, the truth of the Word, they want to push their traditions, or special bible schools teachings onto each other and pride themselves as hero's being the best of the best.
(NOTE: I am guilty of doing that also in the past...) Even tho God has been working with me to show me what is going on in the world today under the Christian system, I have been guilty of doing it too to others. (My proof of doing that can be found in one of the early days of me being on glp going after a person with the avatar name of SOT.
After I had done that, God rocked me again, shaking me telling me to stop, and for me to do it the way He commanded me too. I recently have tried to help a pastor in his pride by playing my part to help him see how damaging he can be because of his pride. That still did not help. So I have been praying asking God to open a window to help me get the message that God wants me to bring to all of His children.
What is that message? Here it is. Matthew 25:1 " Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps ((((MY supposition now.. Their minds))), and went forth to meet the bridegroom." (2)" And five of them were wise, and five were foolish." (3) " They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them." (((Had not truths in them, again my words to help everyone see))) (4)"But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps." (5) While the bridegroom tarried, they ALL slumbered and slept. ( Note: Amos 8:11) (6) And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold he bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him." (7) "Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. ( I can assure you the latter day rain will fall on that group of virgins) (8) And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil: (Spiritual truth, not traditions of men) for our lamps are gone out."
Now for the message. We see daily on glp, the in fighting of Christians and the bashings. As a Christian myself, I feel so ashamed at times as to what God has been showing me and what MOST CHRISTIANS are doing to each other and to non-believers. ( I see that I have even been accused of going against other Christians by someone because I did not stay with the bashing power playing group of super preachers and super Christians.) What pride we all have, what glory we all have in ourselves. I know I will get a huge beating for presenting this, and I can count on it happening. But it will again show the mindset of what the foolish virgins are doing to each other.
The scripture I posted is not just learning scripture and learning the truth, it is a teaching of how to be towards each other and even to those that are non-Christians.
Some of you are so offended because I have given Hardtruth respect. Too bad you can't see the log that is in your own eyes.
Hardtruth knows me well enough from my words that I do respect him as a person, and that we can agree to disagree on many things without me beating him with words.
I will give you an example of one thing that we talked about and if he has honor in himself, and I know he does, he will tell you too that we had this conversation.
He used to come forward and call Gods name "Yahweh". I talked to him and proved to him how and where to find the correct name of God and how it is hidden in the bible (King James), and yes even the NIV has it there because those who changed many meanings of the original manuscripts did not know how to white wash the hidden name of God, so they left those scriptures unchanged. (Might of been some real power of God into that, you be the judge of it.)
I did not bash Hardtruth presenting that truth to him, and he accepted it because now if you check from his old threads to his new threads you will see that he has found that I was correct in presenting Gods real name and he began to use it correctly in his threads, even on this thread. (Hardtruth, again bro, I am using what we had talked about in the past to show what is going on in the world, and many thought you were not being used to bring forth truth.)
People underestimate the power of God and the working of the "REAL" Holy Spirit, and God can even use a non-believer to bring forth His truths. Oh I can hear it now from the prideful Christians, "no that is not true". Well you just witnessed it, and if your too blind to see it, it is not my fault.
I want to also take the time to share some other truth for all you Christians, my brothers and sisters who say they love the Lord.
My wife used to work for AC Neilson in Chicago area division years ago back in the late 70's. She was involved with one of their polls and sent out hundreds of thousands of poll sheets to as many of churches as they could find listed. They had one question on the poll sheet and the question was this.
"As a pastor of your church, do you personally believe in God."
The result was astounding. 82 percent said they did not believe in a god nor the God of Christian faith.
What I just said about AC Neilson is on record, so you can take it as truth or un-truth, it is your own choice.
Amos 8:11 has been fulfilled and I am watching it increasing daily. We all have witnessed on glp about a pastor who said "NUKES BEFORE THE END OF OCT". Did it happen? NO!
So what is the non-believer suppose to do with all of us Christians who believe in God, who believe in the blood of Christ and what He had done for us all when they see the actions of Christians?
Oh, I can guarantee that there will be many Christians slam dunking me now, accusing me of blasting fellow Christians. Instead they should be humbling themselves and trimming their lamps and getting themselves ready instead of worrying who is going to fry like a piece of bacon in hell, and beating others with their righteous scripture presentations.
Now, the virgins of Matthew 25:1 to 11 is Christians, so Christ is talking to Christians there, and non-Christians.
Not one time have I see in scripture where Christ was teaching did He act like Christians do when it comes to scripture studying. NOT ONE!
I have in the past 7 years been helping ex-Christians who have been ousted from their denominational churches, the rejects of churches to bring them the truth of what is going on and how they can walk with God without having someone telling them they will never see heaven.
So, when you high and mighty Christian group get upset because I respect Hardtruth, and have been working gently with him, respecting his presentations and respecting his character, and gently sharing my truths with him without bashing him; can just go ask God how perfect you really are with your walk with the Lord. Tell God how great you are and how perfect you are reaching out to the world doing the Lords work. Tell God just how perfect you are!
I have opened my heart up, and what I have been doing here on glp for the past years, and I have never said what I have share in this post before. And if it bothers some of you, let it. I have nothing to prove to any of you Christians in my walk with the Lord, or how the Holy Spirit is working in my life. At least I am not basting anymore, and I am not making false prophetic prophecies about NUKES or any number of scenarios that I have read over the years coming from so called higher than other of the world super preachers and power playing Christians.
Now that I have said this, let me have it, I can take it. Throw your rocks and let the chips fall where they may.
Before you throw your rocks, ask yourself just how you will look to non-believers as you pick up the largest rock you can find to throw.
No matter what you say to me, I will love you as a brother and sister, if you are a believer or a none believer, we are ALL Gods children!
NOTE to Hardtruth. Thank you sir for letting me be apart of your thread!
I respect both believes and non-believers because I am not going to take the place of God position and judge others. (Psalms 50:6" And the heavens shall declare his righteousness; For God is the judge Himself." Selah
Selah means = think about it in deep thought. Quoting: Little Star
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