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| lil*miss 
User ID: 803442
11/6/2009 1:00 PM
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Question, where they speaking in hell to each other, or looking across to each other in heaven from one side of the gulf to the other side of the gulf?
I do not have the knowledge to answer this, can someone else please help Little Star?
Its a parable. The first shall be last in this case the rich man. And the last shall be first, in this case the beggar Lazarus.
Some people here need to tighten their screws. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810168
Actually, I believe that I knew that. But I don't believe that is the question. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810168
11/6/2009 1:01 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
What exactly is the question, I'm having a tough time following. haha. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 809793
11/6/2009 1:02 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
"Hard Truth"
Why do you put some much of your energy into this?
Maybe it's time you just write a book?
And do what you feel needs to be done that way.
More people will see it that way.
-peace |
| Jonathan
User ID: 624300
11/6/2009 1:03 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
But, I am a big fan of free will. It was given to me by Christ, and for me not to extend it to others would be a disservice to others and foolish of me.
I know all about the things you are saying here as I have looked deeply into the New Age philosophy. You may not like that label, and I mean no disrespect, but, that is what this is. The things you are saying line up perfectly with that mindset.
To each their own.
I would not define the Creator (God) as an it, per se. But it is a short version for something that is complicated, long, and indefinable by our male/female standards. I'm sorry if you find it offensive, as it was not meant in that context.
Am I New Age, pagan? If it makes you fell comfortable slapping that label on me, go ahead. I, too, am a big fan of free will.
Peace on your spiritual journey. Quoting: lil*miss
1. You said 'it', not me. I was not offended.
2. I did not say you were a 'New Age Pagan.' I said it seems the things you are saying line up with my research into the New Age, or rather ancient Eastern Mysticism philosophy. My choice to use the words 'New Age' to define as best I could the philosophy you seem to subscribe to, was hardly meant in the way you are implying.
I have noticed you seem to take some comments very personally, that I see as really quite inane comments in nature. There is such a readiness to 'defend.' Why is that? |
| .
User ID: 811981
11/6/2009 1:05 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Question, where they speaking in hell to each other, or looking across to each other in heaven from one side of the gulf to the other side of the gulf?
I do not have the knowledge to answer this, can someone else please help Little Star?
Its a parable. The first shall be last in this case the rich man. And the last shall be first, in this case the beggar Lazarus.
Some people here need to tighten their screws. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810168
It is not just a parable, it mentions at least one man by name, as God does not lie, to say The man's name is Lazarus, leads to many speculations, but this is for sure, God does not lie, so The beggar was a real man, and as God created hell, His knowing of it and it whereabouts and condition, should not be surprising. |
| .
User ID: 811981
11/6/2009 1:08 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Actually, I believe that I knew that. But I don't believe that is the question. Quoting: lil*miss
O goody, we are now in the presence of a big lie, so lets get this a straight as possible. You foreknew that was going to put in print, so that's why you posted it after he wrote it?
I see hindsight is so not foretelling or prophesy. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810168
11/6/2009 1:15 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Question, where they speaking in hell to each other, or looking across to each other in heaven from one side of the gulf to the other side of the gulf?
I do not have the knowledge to answer this, can someone else please help Little Star?
Its a parable. The first shall be last in this case the rich man. And the last shall be first, in this case the beggar Lazarus.
Some people here need to tighten their screws.
It is not just a parable, it mentions at least one man by name, as God does not lie, to say The man's name is Lazarus, leads to many speculations, but this is for sure, God does not lie, so The beggar was a real man, and as God created hell, His knowing of it and it whereabouts and condition, should not be surprising. Quoting: . 811981
Hmmmm....the Bosom of Abraham according to Jewish legend is a separate place from Heaven, for Jews to infer that humans were let into heaven at the time would be blasphemous, as Heaven is reserved for God, and God only - or we could get into a whole other diatribe in that part of Jesus' mission was setting up a Heaven were our souls could live on, but this would also involve setting up a Hell in balancing out the equation, we ignore that throughout the OT God affirms that "the dead know nothing" and we "sleep in the dust"
anyhow, i could go on for days but dont want to get fired. |
| HardTruth
User ID: 811994
11/6/2009 1:17 PM
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That doesnt jive. Seems like pseudo science mixed with replacement theory (ie. someone like Blavatsky or in a more modern instance Tsarion) wants so desperately to relate to ancient Egyptians, or even Israelites, that they re--write history and use bunk semantic arguments to prove the point they wish to prove rather than fully embrace theor own cultural heritage (the Black Hebrew Israelites fall into the same category).
For instance -
"According to Sir W. Jones and other Orientalists, the oldest discoverable languages of Persia are the Chaldaic and Sanskrit, and there is not trace of the “Hebrew” in these. It would be very surprising if there were, since the Hebrew known to the Philologists does not date earlier than 5oo BC., and its characters belong to a far later period still - Helena Blavatsky (The Secret Doctrine )"
Well of course the ancient languages of Persia (Old Persian) are related to Sanskrit. Persian peoples are Indo-Aryan, Persian and Sanskrit are the original Indo-European languages. Hebrew (not Yiddish), Aramaic, and Arabic are all Semitic languages, they are totally unrelated - they are more closely related to Ethiopian and other African languages than Asian languages such as Persian and Sanskrit. Its a straw man argument in the first place.
Well I guess I'm the only one to make this connection then!!
"Wise Ones" - originally the Ibaru"
What do you have when you place the letter N in front of Ibaru?
Hebrew = NIBARU = Nibiru
Ok I get it, so planet X/Stitchin related? What is your theory of everything, lay the cards out. I just dont get how that is then related to Druids and your original post? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810168
You want 25 years of massive research condensed into a few paragraphs?
Simple and to the point!!
Facts
1. The Universe is full of life and has always been here!!
2. All the ancient texts confirm there was wars in the heavens both in the physical and spiritual realms!!
3. Et's both good and bad escaped or were forced to Earth in the distant past!!
4. Earth was/is caught up in this war and her surface has been destroyed many times by both natural and supernatural forces!!
5. There was an ancient atomic war between the so called gods for supremacy of Earth and the good guys lost!!
6. Human kind, the Adams and the Eves were/are a genetically engineered race to service the false gods!!
7. We are all mighty spiritual beings enslaved in fleshly shells on a material world by the bad guys forced to reincarnate life after life here on Earth with no memories of who or what we once were!!
8. It is through false religions that we are taught and blamed for or own slavery!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Last Edited by HardTruth on 11/6/2009 at 4:08 PM |
| HardTruth
User ID: 811994
11/6/2009 1:23 PM
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OP you are so WRONG.
You need to learn the Bible from the original source, which means going to the orthodox Jews.
Your interpretation, translation and comprehension is totally off the wall.
You've got it wrong from the beginning.
Sorry but this is an EPIC FAIL.
The original source for hebrew was the irish druids and the hebrew language was a secret language between the priest!!
The yiddish spoken by the jews now is not the original!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Honestly......you speak just like someone who lived in the Ozark mountains for 20 years or so. Didnt they have the internet or books back there in them hills for you to read and get educated????
I mean, Good grief man!! Quoting: Major 574846
If you don't like the material or the way it is presented, then move the fuck on!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810168
11/6/2009 1:25 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
So you believe Yahweh is one of the evil guys who won? And the Hebrews (Druid or not) are his people? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810168
11/6/2009 1:27 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Either way, HT check out this link, ties together Gnosticism, Stitchinism, and the Bible.
[link to www.redicecreations.com] |
| Levski
User ID: 318585
11/6/2009 1:29 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 811981
11/6/2009 1:31 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Facts
1. The Universe is full of life and has always been here!! Quoting: HardTruth
Ding ding we have a winner, for most outrageous attempt of claiming something as proof for evidence in a separate and equally misleading argument about long ages and evolution.
Proof, hard facts , thanks OP. Where is all this documented and readily available scientific method demonstrable proof, i mean like pretty please, you are so sickckin, who knows maybe you are, could explain your rabid defense of lies in the face of the facts and truth., and even when the angels bad and good are made manifest, and indeed they are alien to this planet, it certainly is not something you will be offical documentor of. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 811981
11/6/2009 1:37 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
throughout the OT God affirms that "the dead know nothing" and we "sleep in the dust"
anyhow, i could go on for days but dont want to get fired. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810168
I see you like rearranging scripture to suit your argument, and you don't even blush as you lie, i would guess you are a student of statistics, and readily able to roll out a big old porky pie anytime you have bits a of data that can be manipulated to mean what you want. |
| HardTruth
User ID: 811994
11/6/2009 1:38 PM
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So you believe Yahweh is one of the evil guys who won? And the Hebrews (Druid or not) are his people? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810168
You know this YHVH was one of the bad guys, neither his attitude or actions portray any kind of loving diviness!!
Have you the guts to admit it?
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810168
11/6/2009 1:41 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
throughout the OT God affirms that "the dead know nothing" and we "sleep in the dust"
anyhow, i could go on for days but dont want to get fired.
I see you like rearranging scripture to suit your argument, and you don't even blush as you lie, i would guess you are a student of statistics, and readily able to roll out a big old porky pie anytime you have bits a of data that can be manipulated to mean what you want. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 811981
What do you mean, there is no evidence of the soul living on after death in the Old Testament...period.
The Pharisees took the resurrection to mean a physical one, the duality of body and soul is a Greek concept. |
| HardTruth
User ID: 811994
11/6/2009 1:43 PM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810168
Looks like some good material, hey thanks!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! |
| CountryGirl
User ID: 701530
11/6/2009 1:44 PM
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Question, where they speaking in hell to each other, or looking across to each other in heaven from one side of the gulf to the other side of the gulf?
I do not have the knowledge to answer this, can someone else please help Little Star? Quoting: lil*miss
Little study I did a while back.
This is not for Little Star, he already knows the answer - but for others who might not. Have removed some Bible text for brevity.
Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man,...
Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus,..
Luk 16:22 And the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died
Luk 16:23 And in hell (properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls) he lift up his eyes, being in torments, (to sink into dejecting grief, sorrow) and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Torments-(through the notion of going to the bottom); a touch stone, that is, (by analogy) torture: - torment.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water (this is the living water spoken of in Rev. 22:1), and cool my tongue; for I am tormented (to sink into dejecting grief, sorrow) in this flame.
Tormented-to grieve: - sorrow, torment, grief (as dejecting): - sorrow.
duō (to sink); to go “down”: - set.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou receivedst good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things:
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf (an impassable chasm or vacancy) fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Gulf - an obsolete primary “chao” (to “gape” or “yawn”); a “chasm” or vacancy (impassable interval): - gulf.
There was most definitely a 'gulf' separating Lazarus and the rich man but there was no 'fire' in that gulf.
Last Edited by CountryGirl on 11/6/2009 at 1:46 PM
Rest in the Lord, for He is love.
Rest in the Lord, for He is wisdom.
Be silent! Be patient! Be quiet!
Be Still! - And know that He is God. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810168
11/6/2009 1:45 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Either way, HT check out this link, ties together Gnosticism, Stitchinism, and the Bible.
[ link to www.redicecreations.com]
Looks like some good material, hey thanks!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Sure thing, and about my guts I don't run from the thought of YHVH as the Demiurge, but who knows - I stick to the teachings of Jesus. |
| .
User ID: 811981
11/6/2009 1:51 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
So you believe Yahweh is one of the evil guys who won? And the Hebrews (Druid or not) are his people?
You know this YHVH was one of the bad guys, neither his attitude or actions portray any kind of loving diviness!!
Have you the guts to admit it?
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
Ding ding, we have another winning confession here.
YHVH, the very same being who died on the cross for all our sins, is One God, how sad for your lies OP, the confusion that exists is yours, and those whom will swallow your lies |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810168
11/6/2009 1:52 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
So you believe Yahweh is one of the evil guys who won? And the Hebrews (Druid or not) are his people?
You know this YHVH was one of the bad guys, neither his attitude or actions portray any kind of loving diviness!!
Have you the guts to admit it?
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Ding ding, we have another winning confession here.
YHVH, the very same being who died on the cross for all our sins, is One God, how sad for your lies OP, the confusion that exists is yours, and those whom will swallow your lies Quoting: . 811981
Jesus is not YHVH, knave! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810168
11/6/2009 1:53 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Even by Orthodox standards, you have no understanding of the Trinity. Jesus and the Father (ever wonder why Jesus never referred to God as YHVH) and separate entities of the same substance. |
| Jonathan
User ID: 624300
11/6/2009 1:54 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
You want 25 years of massive research condensed into a few paragraphs?
Simple and to the point!!
Facts
1. The Universe is full of life and has always been here!!
2. All the ancient texts confirm there was wars in the heavens both in the physical and spiritual realms!!
3. Et's both good and bad escaped or were forced to Earth in the distant past!!
4. Earth was/is caught up in this war and her surface has been destroyed many times by both natural and supernatural forces!!
5. There was an ancient atomic war between the so called gods for supremacy of Earth and the good guys lost!!
6. Human kind, the Adams and the Eves were/are a genetically engineered race to service the false gods!!
7. We are all mighty spiritual beings enslaved in fleshly shells on a material world by the bad guys forced to reincarnate life after life here on Earth with no memories of who or what we once were!!
8. It is through false religions that we are taught and blamed for or own slavery!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
25 years of research brought you to these conclusions? Is the research original, or has all that stuff you listed been available publicly, prior to your arrival to earth? Because I have seen all that stuff you listed, claimed by other people first. How is that original truth?
So, would it not be better to say instead of 'facts'.....these are the things that other people before me have said and I read and agree with them? The word 'facts' suggests that you can prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt, and I don't see that here. |
| HardTruth
User ID: 811994
11/6/2009 1:55 PM
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So you believe Yahweh is one of the evil guys who won? And the Hebrews (Druid or not) are his people?
You know this YHVH was one of the bad guys, neither his attitude or actions portray any kind of loving diviness!!
Have you the guts to admit it?
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Ding ding, we have another winning confession here.
YHVH, the very same being who died on the cross for all our sins, is One God, how sad for your lies OP, the confusion that exists is yours, and those whom will swallow your lies Quoting: . 811981
lol....
Is that nose of yours bleeding yet from all the jerking around by the lies of religion, and all the other divide and conquer constructs devised for ignorant cattle as yourself?
Please continue with your .... 
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 800330
11/6/2009 1:57 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
[link to xeeatwelve.com]
Unravelling the Bible has been an age-long exercise. The inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible can make it difficult to comprehend. To gather understanding of it, it is important to realize that the Bible is a work in progress that contains certain energies. Sometimes the nature of these energies can be readily discerned from the literal words of the book, and other times the energies are more subtle. At times the energies are in opposition to the words.
Is the Bible really the word of God? If your answer is "yes", then is it a perfect rendition of God's word containing no errors whatsoever? In other words, is the Bible infallible?
The doctrine of infallibility has been adopted at times by the Catholic Church, such as when it mandates that the pope is infallible. Anyone who has some understanding of human nature knows that there is not one human who is infallible. Yet, the doctrine stands.
There are those who declare that the Bible is the word of God. Anyone who disagrees with them can expect to be ridiculed, attacked and perhaps be referred to as an agent of Satan. The problem is that people have been so brainwashed by the ruling elite that they will parrot defence of the Bible, regardless of the amount of evidence proving that it is not God's word. |
| lil*miss
User ID: 803442
11/6/2009 1:59 PM
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Peace on your spiritual journey.
I have noticed you seem to take some comments very personally, that I see as really quite inane comments in nature. There is such a readiness to 'defend.' Why is that? Quoting: Jonathan
When one is debating or discussing something, it is not okay to clarify an incorrect assumption? That isn't defense. |
| lil*miss
User ID: 803442
11/6/2009 2:01 PM
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Actually, I believe that I knew that. But I don't believe that is the question.
O goody, we are now in the presence of a big lie, so lets get this a straight as possible. You foreknew that was going to put in print, so that's why you posted it after he wrote it?
I see hindsight is so not foretelling or prophesy. Quoting: . 811981
I knew the answer to that question. Not the one posed. My you're contentious, aren't you? |
| lil*miss
User ID: 803442
11/6/2009 2:02 PM
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So you believe Yahweh is one of the evil guys who won? And the Hebrews (Druid or not) are his people?
You know this YHVH was one of the bad guys, neither his attitude or actions portray any kind of loving diviness!!
Have you the guts to admit it?
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
Do you have a link for this, HT? Thanks.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 810168
11/6/2009 2:04 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
So you believe Yahweh is one of the evil guys who won? And the Hebrews (Druid or not) are his people?
You know this YHVH was one of the bad guys, neither his attitude or actions portray any kind of loving diviness!!
Have you the guts to admit it?
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Do you have a link for this, HT? Thanks.
Google the Demiurge. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 803442
11/6/2009 2:05 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
So you believe Yahweh is one of the evil guys who won? And the Hebrews (Druid or not) are his people?
You know this YHVH was one of the bad guys, neither his attitude or actions portray any kind of loving diviness!!
Have you the guts to admit it?
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Do you have a link for this, HT? Thanks.
Google the Demiurge.
Thank you.
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