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HardTruth does not believe in the bible but believes in jewish legends. Legends are myths and you refer to the bible as myth, what conclusions should we draw now? Anyone else care to comment on this?

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and HT is an excellent source for those with unanswered questions.



No he is not, a deceiver is exactly that, no matter how much of a martyr they may portray or suffer themselves to be.


I'll pray for you.

No you are casting spells dear, and once your demon angels of light, realize what you have tried to make them do, it will be of great interest to see if you post about how good and loving your nature spirits are in future.

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everlasting


This term is yet another English corruption which taints our understanding. . .

[link to www.thepathoftruth.com]


<< Perhaps the greatest harm of all that the KJV and other translators have committed is in their translation of the Greek word "aion" to "eternal" or "everlasting," in the sense that we use those words, that is, "time without end, ever." >>

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HardTruth does not believe in the bible but believes in jewish legends. Legends are myths and you refer to the bible as myth, what conclusions should we draw now? Anyone else care to comment on this?


This argument is circular. There is no end. You call the Jewish legends myth, and there are those who call the bible myth. More people simply believe in the bible.

Shall we say the bible is correct because more believe in it? How many people believe in other incorrect theories? Is this how we arrive at truth?

And remember, in all legends may lie a grain of truth that was heedful for the wise to know. The truth needs to teased out into the open.

What conclusion would you like to draw?

No you are casting spells dear, and once your demon angels of light, realize what you have tried to make them do, it will be of great interest to see if you post about how good and loving your nature spirits are in future.


The Lord is lucky to have you ;)

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everlasting


This term is yet another English corruption which taints our understanding. . .

[link to www.thepathoftruth.com]


<< Perhaps the greatest harm of all that the KJV and other translators have committed is in their translation of the Greek word "aion" to "eternal" or "everlasting," in the sense that we use those words, that is, "time without end, ever." >>

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Ahh one of you creatures, i have seen your like in christian forums and elsewhere. You have to be ex-morons(sorry mormons) to subscribe to such beliefs, therefore masons, therefore satanist/illuminati, progressive revelationists of worse and worse evil. Make no mistake, God is not a man that He should lie like you, the fact that He now has what once was a mortal human body, is no limiting factor to God, the same yesterday, today and forever.
It is of real interest that any mortal believes they can limit God, you mind/logic worshipers are extreme deceivers and quite possessed with your own mental majesty.

Ahh one of you creatures, i have seen your like in christian forums and elsewhere. You have to be ex-morons(sorry mormons) to subscribe to such beliefs, therefore masons, therefore satanist/illuminati, progressive revelationists of worse and worse evil. Make no mistake, God is not a man that He should lie like you, the fact that He now has what once was a mortal human body, is no limiting factor to God, the same yesterday, today and forever.
It is of real interest that any mortal believes they can limit God, you mind/logic worshipers are extreme deceivers and quite possessed with your own mental majesty.



Dude, I'm barely anything. You have no idea.

Say some more things - it's kinda cute :)

I just don't get how some people can go around sloshing acidic Disgust at everyone and think that it even remotely conveys the heart of the Father.

(But, we're all on different trajectories at different speeds, so I'm not sure why I let anything surprise me.)

Meh.

page 21 is my favorite so far






I agree!!

If you go by the bible, God has killed way more people than the devil and caused way more hardship. Why would anybody want to worship such a horrendous beast?


WRONG.

This show your complete ignorance of Scripture and Biblical theology.

EVERY SINGLE DEATH TO EVER HAPPEN IS BECAUSE OF SATAN.
Satan brought sin into the world and all men are sinners. The wages of sin is death but THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE IN HEAVEN.


Not even close to correct grasshopper, but keep on spreading those false doctrines and push humankind back to the dark ages where folks such as yourself can keep all of us sinners in fear of the afterlife!!

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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


And this one statement from you show your complete ignorance of the Scriptures of which you deny.

Bible study 101, basic stuff tells us that evil comes from Satan. He is the originater of all pain, suffering, war, disease, pain and death. To reject that is to reject the reality of Satan himself and if that is the case, then you have more problems than I can imagine.

How can you reject that which you obviousley know nothing about. It is like saying, I do not like to eat shrimp; I have never eaten then but I know I do not like them.
Now that is strang logic indeed.


Make no mistake, I was raised a christian, and I do know your bible(s) extremely well!!

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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!




Oh Hard Truth, you have just proved the Fall of mankind by your last statement. "you have done your homework"...that means that you believe that enlightenment comes with knowledge, which is at the very heart of the Fall.

To accept the fruit of the "knowledge of good and evil" means that we as a race of humans believe that man can become gods by the culmination of hidden or esoteric knowledge. That is at the heart of every secret society, the NWO, Witchcraft, sorcerery,Freemasonry,Satanism,etc.etc. (Still want to deny that you are not a puppet of the NWO?)

But true enlightenment can never be had by knowledge but by taking the "tree of life" Jesus Christ, who restores the original intent of mankind that being one of relationship, not slavery as you always propose.


Your ideology is at the heart of every form of occult. And yet you want us to believe that you are not a part of their system? Hell, you are their main mouthpiece on this forum...a programmed multiple who can not be effected by any argument...the perfect mind controlled slave.

Welcome my son....Welcome, to the machine...

Noooo, I am not a sinner, but go right ahead and be one if that is your desire!!

to consider oneself sinless might counterpropose that one is in fact perfect.
is this your position H.T.?

Okay, so the OT and the New don't 'jive' for you and you see some inconsistency. I can understand that as I myself held that view point at one time in my life. I have since changed my mind, due to closer examination.

What it comes down to is one of two choices:

1. The Bible is the complete and perfect word of God in it's entirety.

2. The Bible is not the complete and perfect word of God in it's entirety.

Now, if the Bible is in fact the complete and perfect word of God in it's entirety, then every word applies to you like it or not. If it is not, then you have no worries at all when it comes to what the Bible says in parts you may not 'like' or find 'inconsistent.'

But, I could say to you: just because a person sees something in their own way does not mean that it is necessarily untrue. It only means you think it isn't true.

Likewise you could say to me: just because a person sees something in their own way does not mean that it is necessarily true.

And, you would be correct in saying so.

It does not really matter in the end to anybody but ourselves. I will not be there when you die to tell you I was right or wrong. LOL.

What is important is that God said he sent his perfect word. I did not say it, God did. So, telling me that the bible is inconsistent really is not going to prove anything at all. Nor is my telling you it is consistent going to prove anything. It's either God talking, or not and you have to decide that for yourself. So do I.


So Jeremiah was wrong? Isaiah was wrong? Paul was wrong? Jesus was wrong?

God didnt pen the Torah, scribes under kings did, you think they didnt add un-needed yokes, bull crap laws, false tales of violence which glorified the military might of tiny Israel???


Look, the truth is....that we could go on and on here quoting Scripture, arguing about this verse and that person, etc. And, at the end of all that back and forth, you know what?

I will leave here today still believing this:

'The Bible is the complete and perfect word of God in it's entirety.'

You will leave here today still believing this:

'The Bible is not the complete and perfect word of God in it's entirety.'


I said it is complete because Jesus corrected it.

If Jesus never came, would you follow Judaism?


That is a "Straw Man" argument. He did and I did.

Think about what you are saying.How could Jesus "correct" what He already had given? The implication is that by saying, "corrected it", it was broken and needed to be fixed.

If you have never read about or studied the doctrine of "Dispensationalism" I would highly reccomend it to you.
It will explain why nothing was broken, only events in time which were implimented by God.


Man, honestly if I wanted to discuss mainstream theology I would be at theoweb right now...

But for discussion sake, no one implied God "broke" anything...what Jesus,Isaiah,Jeremiah implied is that the whole system of worship was corrupted by the Kings or Priestly class, God did not screw up, Aaron, Moses, etc screwed it up. They misunderstood the directions, their system to not lead to heart felt repentance. God would have nothing to do with it, and was displeased with it.

11 "The multitude of your sacrifices—
what are they to me?" says the LORD.
"I have more than enough of burnt offerings,
of rams and the fat of fattened animals;
I have no pleasure
in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.

12 When you come to appear before me,
who has asked this of you,
this trampling of my courts?

13 Stop bringing meaningless offerings!
Your incense is detestable to me.
New Moons, Sabbaths and convocations—
I cannot bear your evil assemblies.

Stop doing wrong,
17 learn to do right!
Seek justice,
encourage the oppressed. [a]
Defend the cause of the fatherless,
plead the case of the widow.


Also, according to mainline Trinitarians, Jesus is not the Father, and Father is not Jesus, separate but of the same substance (God the Son, God the Father), so Jesus never "gave" anything to "anyone" in the OT.



OK. If that is the case, who was it that created Adam.
Who created Eve. Wasnt she a GIFT to Adam?

If that is true, who was it that spoke to Moses from the burning bush. Wasn't the end result GINING of the Law?

Want to go on??


Actually Lilith was created first and refused to be in subjection to Adam according the jewish legends!!

She refused to return to Eden even after adam moaned and groaned and god sent angels to retrieve her, so he just made Eve instead to shut adam up!!

Amazing all the info left out of the bible!!

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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


HardTruth does not believe in the bible but believes in jewish legends. Legends are myths and you refer to the bible as myth, what conclusions should we draw now? Anyone else care to comment on this?

Noooo, I am not a sinner, but go right ahead and be one if that is your desire!!

to consider oneself sinless might counterpropose that one is in fact perfect.
is this your position H.T.?


Not at all, I am far from perfect, I make mistakes just as everyone else, and I learn from those mistakes, just as the creators of all intended!!

It's a natural progression of any species in order to advance, lest we stagnate and perish!!

We are a very young species and we all have a ways to go!!

To teach someone that they are sinners from birth because of the actions of two in a distant path and I need to accept some god or burn in a hell is plain ludicrous!!

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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!

Noooo, I am not a sinner, but go right ahead and be one if that is your desire!!

to consider oneself sinless might counterpropose that one is in fact perfect.
is this your position H.T.?


Not at all, I am far from perfect, I make mistakes just as everyone else, and I learn from those mistakes, just as the creators of all intended!!

It's a natural progression of any species in order to advance, lest we stagnate and perish!!

We are a very young species and we all have a ways to go!!

To teach someone that they are sinners from birth because of the actions of two in a distant path and I need to accept some god or burn in a hell is plain ludicrous!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


Jesus died for your sins!!!

Noooo, I am not a sinner, but go right ahead and be one if that is your desire!!

to consider oneself sinless might counterpropose that one is in fact perfect.
is this your position H.T.?


Not at all, I am far from perfect, I make mistakes just as everyone else, and I learn from those mistakes, just as the creators of all intended!!

It's a natural progression of any species in order to advance, lest we stagnate and perish!!

We are a very young species and we all have a ways to go!!

To teach someone that they are sinners from birth because of the actions of two in a distant path and I need to accept some god or burn in a hell is plain ludicrous!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


Jesus died for your sins!!!


If Jesus died for my sins, he overreacted!!

Besides that, there was no christian Jesus!!


___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!

Jesus died for your sins!!!


If Jesus died for my sins, he overreacted!!

Besides that, there was no christian Jesus!!


___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!

Noooo, I am not a sinner, but go right ahead and be one if that is your desire!!

to consider oneself sinless might counterpropose that one is in fact perfect.
is this your position H.T.?


Not at all, I am far from perfect, I make mistakes just as everyone else, and I learn from those mistakes, just as the creators of all intended!!

It's a natural progression of any species in order to advance, lest we stagnate and perish!!

We are a very young species and we all have a ways to go!!

To teach someone that they are sinners from birth because of the actions of two in a distant path and I need to accept some god or burn in a hell is plain ludicrous!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


Jesus died for your sins!!!


If Jesus died for my sins, he overreacted!!

Besides that, there was no christian Jesus!!


___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!





Another game of Satanic mind control programming: "Lie and Deny". Still showing evidence of Generational Satanist mind control programming, I've seen it a thousand times, and even in my only son. It's still very sad.

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!




Oh Hard Truth, you have just proved the Fall of mankind by your last statement. "you have done your homework"...that means that you believe that enlightenment comes with knowledge, which is at the very heart of the Fall.

To accept the fruit of the "knowledge of good and evil" means that we as a race of humans believe that man can become gods by the culmination of hidden or esoteric knowledge. That is at the heart of every secret society, the NWO, Witchcraft, sorcerery,Freemasonry,Satanism,etc.etc. (Still want to deny that you are not a puppet of the NWO?)

But true enlightenment can never be had by knowledge but by taking the "tree of life" Jesus Christ, who restores the original intent of mankind that being one of relationship, not slavery as you always propose.


Your ideology is at the heart of every form of occult. And yet you want us to believe that you are not a part of their system? Hell, you are their main mouthpiece on this forum...a programmed multiple who can not be effected by any argument...the perfect mind controlled slave.

Welcome my son....Welcome, to the machine...


Can you please define programmed multiple for me WingedLion? Thank you.

Noooo, I am not a sinner, but go right ahead and be one if that is your desire!!

to consider oneself sinless might counterpropose that one is in fact perfect.
is this your position H.T.?


Not at all, I am far from perfect, I make mistakes just as everyone else, and I learn from those mistakes, just as the creators of all intended!!

It's a natural progression of any species in order to advance, lest we stagnate and perish!!

We are a very young species and we all have a ways to go!!

To teach someone that they are sinners from birth because of the actions of two in a distant path and I need to accept some god or burn in a hell is plain ludicrous!!

___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


Jesus died for your sins!!!


If Jesus died for my sins, he overreacted!!

Besides that, there was no christian Jesus!!


___________

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!





Another game of Satanic mind control programming: "Lie and Deny". Still showing evidence of Generational Satanist mind control programming, I've seen it a thousand times, and even in my only son. It's still very sad.


lol....

Winged, with all due respect, it's because of people such as yourself, that has kept humankind in the dark ages!!

You can cast your vile accusations till the end of time, they will never be true!!

Your false religion has no more rusty hooks into my soul, you cannot pull me back into the slime as I am on my way to true freedom son!!

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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!

If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!




Oh Hard Truth, you have just proved the Fall of mankind by your last statement. "you have done your homework"...that means that you believe that enlightenment comes with knowledge, which is at the very heart of the Fall.

To accept the fruit of the "knowledge of good and evil" means that we as a race of humans believe that man can become gods by the culmination of hidden or esoteric knowledge. That is at the heart of every secret society, the NWO, Witchcraft, sorcerery,Freemasonry,Satanism,etc.etc. (Still want to deny that you are not a puppet of the NWO?)

But true enlightenment can never be had by knowledge but by taking the "tree of life" Jesus Christ, who restores the original intent of mankind that being one of relationship, not slavery as you always propose.


Your ideology is at the heart of every form of occult. And yet you want us to believe that you are not a part of their system? Hell, you are their main mouthpiece on this forum...a programmed multiple who can not be effected by any argument...the perfect mind controlled slave.

Welcome my son....Welcome, to the machine...


Can you please define programmed multiple for me WingedLion? Thank you.




Generational Satanist practice what is termed "Trama based programming". How it is done is they strap the initiate to a chair totally naked, then they shove electrodes in under their finger nails, on their teats, and on their genetils. Then they hit the juice (electricity) until the person starts to pass out.

Then the person is given a drug that was developed by the nazis that keeps a person from passing out from pain. Once that drug starts to take effect, then the torture begins again, only instead of passing out, their minds begin to "fracture" into multiple personalities. It is a phychological survival response, when these other personalities begin to emerge, they are in a weakened state and are then "programmed" to do certain things and to respond to certain "triggers" that will bring the personality to the front.

In this manner, the individual can perform certain duties, go underground, or any other kind of atrocity and do so without the core person even knowing about it.

Hard Truth shows the exact signs of being a programmed multiple. I believe that His parents were actually generational Satanist living a sleeper cell under the guise of Christianity, then had certain "circumstances" to be brought into his life so that he would hate and reject God later on in his life.

This is done to literally thousands of people and has been going on for hundreds of years, so theat now they have people infiltrated into every level of society, especially in positions of prominance such as judges, doctors, police, education and politics. All being a type of "Manchurian candidates".

My only son was kidnapped by a group of Generational Satanist and did this to him because they could not get to me. This is why I have dedicated myself to destroying Satan's Kingdom...because of what they had done to my son. Hard Truth keeps doing things that remind me of my son. I suspect...more each day, that this is what HT is dealing with, and his core personality may not even be aware of what this one is doing.

You don't want to debate, you want to be right. Okay, you're right. You win.



Jonathan will never be right!!

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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!


I was on the debating team in high school and then college. To me it is an exchange of ideas, sharing, questioning, and listening. Jonathon wants to do none of these. He wants to lecture and then have me say that he is correct. It is all black and white to him, nothing is open. That is not discussion or debate.

If he wishes to be right, then he can be. I have no further interest in discussion with someone who has a closed mind. A closed mind is an empty one, and can not foster any gains or insights. IMO

Please keep posting Hard Truth. I am interested in what you have to say even if the others are not. Peace.