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| Wingedlion  Wingedlion User ID: 812965 11/7/2009 6:34 PM
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Oh Hard Truth, you have just proved the Fall of mankind by your last statement. "you have done your homework"...that means that you believe that enlightenment comes with knowledge, which is at the very heart of the Fall.
To accept the fruit of the "knowledge of good and evil" means that we as a race of humans believe that man can become gods by the culmination of hidden or esoteric knowledge. That is at the heart of every secret society, the NWO, Witchcraft, sorcerery,Freemasonry,Satanism,etc.etc. (Still want to deny that you are not a puppet of the NWO?)
But true enlightenment can never be had by knowledge but by taking the "tree of life" Jesus Christ, who restores the original intent of mankind that being one of relationship, not slavery as you always propose.
Your ideology is at the heart of every form of occult. And yet you want us to believe that you are not a part of their system? Hell, you are their main mouthpiece on this forum...a programmed multiple who can not be effected by any argument...the perfect mind controlled slave.
Welcome my son....Welcome, to the machine...
Can you please define programmed multiple for me WingedLion? Thank you.
Generational Satanist practice what is termed "Trama based programming". How it is done is they strap the initiate to a chair totally naked, then they shove electrodes in under their finger nails, on their teats, and on their genetils. Then they hit the juice (electricity) until the person starts to pass out.
Then the person is given a drug that was developed by the nazis that keeps a person from passing out from pain. Once that drug starts to take effect, then the torture begins again, only instead of passing out, their minds begin to "fracture" into multiple personalities. It is a phychological survival response, when these other personalities begin to emerge, they are in a weakened state and are then "programmed" to do certain things and to respond to certain "triggers" that will bring the personality to the front.
In this manner, the individual can perform certain duties, go underground, or any other kind of atrocity and do so without the core person even knowing about it.
Hard Truth shows the exact signs of being a programmed multiple. I believe that His parents were actually generational Satanist living a sleeper cell under the guise of Christianity, then had certain "circumstances" to be brought into his life so that he would hate and reject God later on in his life.
This is done to literally thousands of people and has been going on for hundreds of years, so theat now they have people infiltrated into every level of society, especially in positions of prominance such as judges, doctors, police, education and politics. All being a type of "Manchurian candidates".
My only son was kidnapped by a group of Generational Satanist and did this to him because they could not get to me. This is why I have dedicated myself to destroying Satan's Kingdom...because of what they had done to my son. Hard Truth keeps doing things that remind me of my son. I suspect...more each day, that this is what HT is dealing with, and his core personality may not even be aware of what this one is doing.
Dude, WTF, I know this kind of shit goes down, but that is not me or my family!!
I have a free thinking mind, and the only programming that actually happened was being raised a christian!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
All I am saying is that all the evidence is there; let people make up their own mind, isn't that at the heart of "free thinking"? It is my opinion that you are a programed multiple, who would lie and deny with your last dying breath to keep others from discovering your dirty little secret. Let's let time see who was correct on this one.
Nooo, there is no evidence for any such thing!!
Isn't there some commandment about not bearing false witness against your fellow man?
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
There most certainly is, but I guarentee you, I will not be the one violating that commandment. |
| Little Star User ID: 687974 11/7/2009 6:36 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
HT, if you try to say that there is no evidence, I will expose the evidence with each and every post you make, so that you will never be taken seriously by any real Christian, and isn't that your assignment...I mean direction you wish to do, corrupt evey Christian that you can with your poison?
Looks like your flatteries (another satanic tactic)have already won over little star, who is more long winded than even me.
Remember this my friend, the elite of this world saw their destruction, and they saw that it was me who brought it. I will not rest until every bit of occult literature is burned, every high monument built upon a lay line is raised, and every one who has any practice of the occult is cast out like dirt upon the street. I will bring the complete destruction that the elite fear the most...and you are a big inspiration for my great revival.
I will dig up the graves of every occultist including your Stitchin and descecrate them; I will melt their gold idols and use it to make my toilets to display in public restrooms. I will not rest until every witch, wizard, and evil Nephilim receives the persecution that they have deserved. This is not a threat to you personally, but to your controllers. You will loose everyone and everything you ever loved before you are humbled; and it still would not add up to what I have paid for my opinion. You still remain small, and your ego being stroked by witches, and the like, will soon turn into cries of mercy as I extract upon the evil world what they have done to me. Quoting: Wingedlion
Hey Fellow Christian, I love you too... lol
I do get a bit long winded, don't I. lol
Hardtruth knows I do not respect the teachings of Stitchin, so Hardtruth is not going to get me to fall for the teachings of Stitchin.
We have talked about Stitching, in a calm, very cool manor. He knows what I find wrong with Stitchins information. |
| Perhaps User ID: 796320 11/7/2009 6:52 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
HardTruth does not believe in the bible but believes in jewish legends. Legends are myths and you refer to the bible as myth, what conclusions should we draw now? Anyone else care to comment on this?
This argument is circular. There is no end. You call the Jewish legends myth, and there are those who call the bible myth. More people simply believe in the bible.
Shall we say the bible is correct because more believe in it? How many people believe in other incorrect theories? Is this how we arrive at truth?
And remember, in all legends may lie a grain of truth that was heedful for the wise to know. The truth needs to teased out into the open.
What conclusion would you like to draw? Quoting: lil*miss
I did not call them anything, he did. I asked if anyone cared to comment and you did, thank you. The only conclusion I can draw is that he calls both myths and/or legends and simply chooses one over the other. He claims his choices are flawless as he claims he was created flawlessly. |
| lil*miss  User ID: 803442 11/7/2009 6:54 PM
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Can you please define programmed multiple for me WingedLion? Thank you.
Generational Satanist practice what is termed "Trama based programming". How it is done is they strap the initiate to a chair totally naked, then they shove electrodes in under their finger nails, on their teats, and on their genetils. Then they hit the juice (electricity) until the person starts to pass out.
Then the person is given a drug that was developed by the nazis that keeps a person from passing out from pain. Once that drug starts to take effect, then the torture begins again, only instead of passing out, their minds begin to "fracture" into multiple personalities. It is a phychological survival response, when these other personalities begin to emerge, they are in a weakened state and are then "programmed" to do certain things and to respond to certain "triggers" that will bring the personality to the front.
In this manner, the individual can perform certain duties, go underground, or any other kind of atrocity and do so without the core person even knowing about it.
Hard Truth shows the exact signs of being a programmed multiple. I believe that His parents were actually generational Satanist living a sleeper cell under the guise of Christianity, then had certain "circumstances" to be brought into his life so that he would hate and reject God later on in his life.
This is done to literally thousands of people and has been going on for hundreds of years, so theat now they have people infiltrated into every level of society, especially in positions of prominance such as judges, doctors, police, education and politics. All being a type of "Manchurian candidates".
My only son was kidnapped by a group of Generational Satanist and did this to him because they could not get to me. This is why I have dedicated myself to destroying Satan's Kingdom...because of what they had done to my son. Hard Truth keeps doing things that remind me of my son. I suspect...more each day, that this is what HT is dealing with, and his core personality may not even be aware of what this one is doing.
Dude, WTF, I know this kind of shit goes down, but that is not me or my family!!
I have a free thinking mind, and the only programming that actually happened was being raised a christian!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
All I am saying is that all the evidence is there; let people make up their own mind, isn't that at the heart of "free thinking"? It is my opinion that you are a programed multiple, who would lie and deny with your last dying breath to keep others from discovering your dirty little secret. Let's let time see who was correct on this one. Quoting: Wingedlion
Call me naive or a spiritual retard if you like, but I find this shocking. Who on earth needs these kind of tactics to support/oppose religion?
Where is this supposed torture going on? Third world countries, here? This is sickening to me.
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| lil*miss  User ID: 803442 11/7/2009 7:03 PM
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HardTruth does not believe in the bible but believes in jewish legends. Legends are myths and you refer to the bible as myth, what conclusions should we draw now? Anyone else care to comment on this?
This argument is circular. There is no end. You call the Jewish legends myth, and there are those who call the bible myth. More people simply believe in the bible.
Shall we say the bible is correct because more believe in it? How many people believe in other incorrect theories? Is this how we arrive at truth?
And remember, in all legends may lie a grain of truth that was heedful for the wise to know. The truth needs to teased out into the open.
What conclusion would you like to draw?
I did not call them anything, he did. I asked if anyone cared to comment and you did, thank you. The only conclusion I can draw is that he calls both myths and/or legends and simply chooses one over the other. He claims his choices are flawless as he claims he was created flawlessly. Quoting: Perhaps 796320
Sorry, I know I can be rather assertive, and don't mean to be. The way the statement was written, I made the assumption that you called the Jewish legends myths. I should not assume, it is the height of stupidity.
In a way, it can be said that we all choose or make choices as to what we believe or do not believe.
Every single person on this planet believes something that is not true even in the face of all the facts before them.
We all make mistakes, no one is flawless. It is who we are as human beings.
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| HardTruth  User ID: 812808 11/7/2009 7:13 PM
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HT, if you try to say that there is no evidence, I will expose the evidence with each and every post you make, so that you will never be taken seriously by any real Christian, and isn't that your assignment...I mean direction you wish to do, corrupt evey Christian that you can with your poison?
Looks like your flatteries (another satanic tactic)have already won over little star, who is more long winded than even me.
Remember this my friend, the elite of this world saw their destruction, and they saw that it was me who brought it. I will not rest until every bit of occult literature is burned, every high monument built upon a lay line is raised, and every one who has any practice of the occult is cast out like dirt upon the street. I will bring the complete destruction that the elite fear the most...and you are a big inspiration for my great revival.
I will dig up the graves of every occultist including your Stitchin and descecrate them; I will melt their gold idols and use it to make my toilets to display in public restrooms. I will not rest until every witch, wizard, and evil Nephilim receives the persecution that they have deserved. This is not a threat to you personally, but to your controllers. You will loose everyone and everything you ever loved before you are humbled; and it still would not add up to what I have paid for my opinion. You still remain small, and your ego being stroked by witches, and the like, will soon turn into cries of mercy as I extract upon the evil world what they have done to me. Quoting: Wingedlion
I don't support all of Sitchin either, did I quote from him, no I didn't!!
I did however use your own christian material past and present!!
I wouldn't mind a few of those gold toilets!!
BTW, Little Star hasn't agreed with me on much of anything, but we have remained civil!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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| lil*miss  User ID: 803442 11/7/2009 7:22 PM
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HardTruth does not believe in the bible but believes in jewish legends. Legends are myths and you refer to the bible as myth, what conclusions should we draw now? Anyone else care to comment on this?
This argument is circular. There is no end. You call the Jewish legends myth, and there are those who call the bible myth. More people simply believe in the bible.
Shall we say the bible is correct because more believe in it? How many people believe in other incorrect theories? Is this how we arrive at truth?
And remember, in all legends may lie a grain of truth that was heedful for the wise to know. The truth needs to teased out into the open.
What conclusion would you like to draw?
I did not call them anything, he did. I asked if anyone cared to comment and you did, thank you. The only conclusion I can draw is that he calls both myths and/or legends and simply chooses one over the other. He claims his choices are flawless as he claims he was created flawlessly. Quoting: Perhaps 796320
Is this true HT? Do you believe that you are flawless? |
| HardTruth  User ID: 812808 11/7/2009 7:30 PM
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HardTruth does not believe in the bible but believes in jewish legends. Legends are myths and you refer to the bible as myth, what conclusions should we draw now? Anyone else care to comment on this?
This argument is circular. There is no end. You call the Jewish legends myth, and there are those who call the bible myth. More people simply believe in the bible.
Shall we say the bible is correct because more believe in it? How many people believe in other incorrect theories? Is this how we arrive at truth?
And remember, in all legends may lie a grain of truth that was heedful for the wise to know. The truth needs to teased out into the open.
What conclusion would you like to draw?
I did not call them anything, he did. I asked if anyone cared to comment and you did, thank you. The only conclusion I can draw is that he calls both myths and/or legends and simply chooses one over the other. He claims his choices are flawless as he claims he was created flawlessly.
Is this true HT? Do you believe that you are flawless? Quoting: lil*miss
Not at all and the poster Perhaps knows that!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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| Little Star User ID: 687974 11/7/2009 7:32 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
HT, if you try to say that there is no evidence, I will expose the evidence with each and every post you make, so that you will never be taken seriously by any real Christian, and isn't that your assignment...I mean direction you wish to do, corrupt evey Christian that you can with your poison?
Looks like your flatteries (another satanic tactic)have already won over little star, who is more long winded than even me.
Remember this my friend, the elite of this world saw their destruction, and they saw that it was me who brought it. I will not rest until every bit of occult literature is burned, every high monument built upon a lay line is raised, and every one who has any practice of the occult is cast out like dirt upon the street. I will bring the complete destruction that the elite fear the most...and you are a big inspiration for my great revival.
I will dig up the graves of every occultist including your Stitchin and descecrate them; I will melt their gold idols and use it to make my toilets to display in public restrooms. I will not rest until every witch, wizard, and evil Nephilim receives the persecution that they have deserved. This is not a threat to you personally, but to your controllers. You will loose everyone and everything you ever loved before you are humbled; and it still would not add up to what I have paid for my opinion. You still remain small, and your ego being stroked by witches, and the like, will soon turn into cries of mercy as I extract upon the evil world what they have done to me.
I don't support all of Sitchin either, did I quote from him, no I didn't!!
I did however use your own christian material past and present!!
I wouldn't mind a few of those gold toilets!!
BTW, Little Star hasn't agreed with me on much of anything, but we have remained civil!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
Are you seeing what I am seeing Hardtruth?
Thanks man for your respect. Thanks for coming forward also for letting them know that we don't agree on many things, but have agree on other things.
I guess sir, they don't get it!
I am still trying to figure out why some Christians has to be so abrupt about any that is being talked about.
I am sorry Hardtruth about the hurts man, this is not what the Lord wants for us to do. And you know, what we should do for the Christian brothers and sisters of mine. We should just let them keep up their way of handling chats, and how about you and I just be real extra gentle with them and see what happens?
Care to take a test drive in the world of super nice and let us see the real end of all this slicing and dicing?
Maybe you should start another thread, and I come over and we chat for awhile and just not pay attention to everyone else and chat over things we have read in some of the ancient text and show these folks how it is to play nice and yet disagree?
I doubt if it would do any good. lol
Hey, I have to go, nice chatting with ya, and keep searching and studying! I know I am at my end. lol
Take care! |
| lil*miss  User ID: 803442 11/7/2009 7:50 PM
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I am going to have to start taking notes as this thread goes along in order to keep my focus!
I am glad that you do not see yourself as flawless, HT. I know there are others more advanced who walk among us, but I am not yet sure enough of my skills in debate to speak with them. When I am ready I am sure it will happen. As they say, when the student is ready the teacher will appear. I plan to keep my interests on a human level for a while.
May I ask you what is your opinion on the conflict between the NT and OT?
Also, Jesus is said to be a prophet, not only in the Christian religion, but in Islam as well. What are your thoughts on this?
I believe that Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammed were prophets from the same god. One God, many religions. All tailored for the people and times in which they lived.
While this is off topic of the thread, we have gone off topic so many times, it seems okay to me.
Will you please share some of your knowledge with me?
Peace. |
| HardTruth  User ID: 812808 11/7/2009 8:04 PM
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These open forums are really good, as I learn so much from the point of view of others. However, it is very hard to keep track of who said what, and I have many questions!
I am going to have to start taking notes as this thread goes along in order to keep my focus!
I am glad that you do not see yourself as flawless, HT. I know there are others more advanced who walk among us, but I am not yet sure enough of my skills in debate to speak with them. When I am ready I am sure it will happen. As they say, when the student is ready the teacher will appear. I plan to keep my interests on a human level for a while.
May I ask you what is your opinion on the conflict between the NT and OT?
Also, Jesus is said to be a prophet, not only in the Christian religion, but in Islam as well. What are your thoughts on this?
I believe that Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammed were prophets from the same god. One God, many religions. All tailored for the people and times in which they lived.
While this is off topic of the thread, we have gone off topic so many times, it seems okay to me.
Will you please share some of your knowledge with me?
Peace. Quoting: lil*miss
It is my opinion that the OT and the NT are both a sham, one of the biggest conspiracies ever to evolve on this planet by TPTB to keep the masses confused and dumbned down!!
The OT is stories stolen from all the ancient cultures that existed before the so called exodus!!
The OT was combined with the NT in hopes to add validity to it by Rome!!
Was their a Jesus, No, at least not the christian son of god Jesus crucified for our sins!!
There was no fall, why do we then need the christian fairy tale Jesus?
There Was No Fall
The reason humankind was created, according to your own scriptures was in fact due to "There was no man to till the ground." (Gen 2:5)
As we can see from the christians own bible the intended purpose for man was one of manual labor in a material world. You do not create spiritual beings to till the ground!
There are indeed other written material older than the christians scriptures that confirm the above:
"The reptiles verily descend. The Earth is resplendent as a well-watered garden, and at that time Enki and Eridu had not appeared. Daylight did not shine. Moonlight had not emerged."
"I shall establish a savage. Man will be his name. Verily, savage-man I shall create. He will be charged with the service of the Gods, that they might be at ease." (Sumerian Creation Epic)
Let us make him who shall nourish and sustain us. What shall we do to be invoked, to be remembered in earth? We have tried with our first creatures, but we could not make them venerate us. So then, let us try to make obedient, respectful beings, who shall nourish and sustain us. (The Maya Popul Vuh)
After the so called fall, humans were run out of Eden to CONTINUE TO TILL THE GROUND!! (Gen 3:23)
Where is the fall in that?
Further confirmation to this truth can be found in the statement of, "From the dust you were taken, to dust you return" or "from the Earth you were taken, to Earth you return." (Gen 3:19)
Once again, where is the fall in that? Still no fall!!
We were created in the flesh as a slave race only to die in the flesh as a slave race!!
Once again your scriptures state, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us".. (Gen 3:22)
We became AS god, that's ascension, a move upwards to become As god, not a fall!!
Once again, where is the fall? Still no fall!!
No fall, No need for the Christ!!
No Original Sin!!
John 9:
1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents....
How can that be if all fall under the doctrine of original sin?
From the christians own bible the words of their Jesus plainly states there was no original sin!!
Let me introduce you to the TRUE CREATOR(s)!!
When The True Creator(s) Does Something, He Leaves Undeniable Proof!!
Yes, when he does something, it's grand, and he leaves undeniable proof, as to be beyond contestation!!
We see the stars and the planets, even the grand expanse of the universe!!
We see the animals and all the different species of insects, fishes, etc, etc!!
We stand here in the flesh and can see the wondrous results thereof!!
Such proof is undeniable and is a true testimony to a TRUE CREATOR, and need no written text in the presentation of his works!!
You would think such an act, as forgiveness of sins by way of being born in the flesh here on Earth, then crucified, that he would leave undeniable proof once more!!
Something along the lines of an unchangeable, unalterable grand oracle set in place for all the universe to see!!
This oracle, when approached would play out the so called crucifixion for all to witness, and to tell the story in whatever language the onlooker was born to!!
But nooo, no such undeniable proof exists, and of course, such a fabricated story would lack this substance!!
Leaving the so called event only to be contested, this lacks the stamp of authenticity of the TRUE CREATOR of all!!
Sorry folks, no Jesus as being god come in the flesh!
No rapture!!
If ever there was a perfect opportunity for a rapture of christ's followers, it would have been immediately at christ's death!!
Most religions teach that humans fell from the grace of god, and christ supposedly restored this with his cruci-ficition...lol
What happened at christ's death.......nothing!!
There was NO RESTORATION!!
It was a Cruci-fiction!!
DID JESUS EXIST?
[link to web.archive.org]
WHERE JESUS NEVER WALKED
[link to web.archive.org]
Did a historical Jesus exist?
[link to www.nobeliefs.com]
Do Any First Century Historians Mention the Jesus of Christianity?
[link to freethought.mbdojo.com]
Jesus Myth - The Case Against Historical Christ
[link to www.rationalrevolution.net]
Did Jesus Christ Really Live?
[link to www.infidels.org]
The Christ: A Critical Review and Analysis of the Evidence of His Existence
[link to www.positiveatheism.org]
Non-biblical evidence for Jesus' historical existence
[link to www.angelfire.com]
Who Was the Real Jesus?
[link to ourworld.compuserve.com]
Jesus: History or Myth?
[link to web.archive.org]
Jesus was Caesar – Re-Orientation
[link to www.carotta.de]
NO EVIDENCE OF JESUS? Don't fret – they'll manufacture it soon enough!
[link to www.jesusneverexisted.com]
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 311438 11/7/2009 8:10 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote | Lil Miss
You can research this if you like;
Prophecy is actually unique to the Bible for there are no
such prophetic writings in the Qur'an, Hindu Vedas, and
other famous religious texts.
Further;
Nearly 30% of the Bible is dedicated to prophecy and unlike
today's psychics or other so called prophets like
Nostradamus, the prophecies in the Bible are clear, direct
and verifiable. The fact that prophecy is unique to our
Bible demonstrates it's purpose, which is to prove that the
God of the Bible is the one true God. While we need faith
to believe in God, it must not be a blind faith, for God
has offered us proof of his existence and his power.
Also...
You call Jesus a prophet.
John chapter 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
The Bible states Jesus was God in the Flesh.
I hope this helps a little. I just want you to know
where the Christian is coming from in a debate.
God Bless. |
| lil*miss  User ID: 803442 11/8/2009 1:31 AM
 | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote | Thank you for your kind replies. I shall do some reading, and then I am sure, be back with more questions. lol
HT, please keep adding to this thread, it's fascinating. And I know there are others who feel the same.
Peace. |
| TXGal4Truth  Not 2, 3, or Even 4 There Is Only 1 User ID: 791392 11/8/2009 1:35 AM
 | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote | HT do you feel proud that you are straying people away from God? Or should I say at least trying to? Gosh, I feel for those who have fallen for your deception.
Sadly they will only realize this once it's too late. I don't understand why some are so weak in their faith. Congrats HT.
Jesus implies that Satan will be continuing his efforts to frustrate the plan of God’s to the end of the age.
He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels (Matthew 13:37-39).
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| lil*miss  User ID: 803442 11/8/2009 1:40 AM
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Lil Miss
You can research this if you like;
Prophecy is actually unique to the Bible for there are no
such prophetic writings in the Qur'an, Hindu Vedas, and
other famous religious texts. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311438
I include a page from Wikipedia for you, rather than direct you to the many different researches I have done so far. It is a but a snippet of most religious views on Jesus.
This is why I referred to Him as a prophet. The original translations call him the son of man, descended from King David, or the Anointed King. It is only later that the translations change to the son of God.
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| lil*miss  User ID: 803442 11/8/2009 1:44 AM
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HT do you feel proud that you are straying people away from God? Or should I say at least trying to? Gosh, I feel for those who have fallen for your deception.
Sadly they will only realize this once it's too late. I don't understand why some are so weak in their faith. Congrats HT.
Jesus implies that Satan will be continuing his efforts to frustrate the plan of God’s to the end of the age.
He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels (Matthew 13:37-39). Quoting: TXGal4Truth
I am not 'straying away from God', as you put it, TxGal, but rather continuing on with thirty years of research into world religions.
Many paths, one God.
Peace. |
| TXGal4Truth  Not 2, 3, or Even 4 There Is Only 1 User ID: 791392 11/8/2009 1:44 AM
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Lil Miss
You can research this if you like;
Prophecy is actually unique to the Bible for there are no
such prophetic writings in the Qur'an, Hindu Vedas, and
other famous religious texts.
I include a page from Wikipedia for you, rather than direct you to the many different researches I have done so far. It is a but a snippet of most religious views on Jesus.
This is why I referred to Him as a prophet. The original translations call him the son of man, descended from King David, or the Anointed King. It is only later that the translations change to the son of God.
[ link to en.wikipedia.org] Quoting: lil*miss
LilMiss, do you know why He was called the son of man? Because he was born to a human woman. But...who was his FATHER? “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit; she will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins”.
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| TXGal4Truth  Not 2, 3, or Even 4 There Is Only 1 User ID: 791392 11/8/2009 1:46 AM
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HT do you feel proud that you are straying people away from God? Or should I say at least trying to? Gosh, I feel for those who have fallen for your deception.
Sadly they will only realize this once it's too late. I don't understand why some are so weak in their faith. Congrats HT.
Jesus implies that Satan will be continuing his efforts to frustrate the plan of God’s to the end of the age.
He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels (Matthew 13:37-39).
I am not 'straying away from God', as you put it, TxGal, but rather continuing on with thirty years of research into world religions.
Many paths, one God.
Peace. Quoting: lil*miss
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gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. 2 John
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| Major User ID: 647112 11/8/2009 8:26 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Question, where they speaking in hell to each other, or looking across to each other in heaven from one side of the gulf to the other side of the gulf?
I do not have the knowledge to answer this, can someone else please help Little Star?
Little study I did a while back.
This is not for Little Star, he already knows the answer - but for others who might not. Have removed some Bible text for brevity.
Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man,...
Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus,..
Luk 16:22 And the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died
Luk 16:23 And in hell (properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls) he lift up his eyes, being in torments, (to sink into dejecting grief, sorrow) and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Torments-(through the notion of going to the bottom); a touch stone, that is, (by analogy) torture: - torment.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water (this is the living water spoken of in Rev. 22:1), and cool my tongue; for I am tormented (to sink into dejecting grief, sorrow) in this flame.
Tormented-to grieve: - sorrow, torment, grief (as dejecting): - sorrow.
duō (to sink); to go “down”: - set.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou receivedst good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things:
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf (an impassable chasm or vacancy) fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Gulf - an obsolete primary “chao” (to “gape” or “yawn”); a “chasm” or vacancy (impassable interval): - gulf.
There was most definitely a 'gulf' separating Lazarus and the rich man but there was no 'fire' in that gulf.
Hey thanks Country Girl for the info that supports what I know to be true.
I notice also Major is still blasting away. I have never ever seen a pastor who has such a power playing attitude as Major does.
I wonder how Major will tell us about Ecclesiastes chapter 12 verse 7 wen we see the "spirit" the inner soul of humans going back to God who gave it?
I bet he will have his favorite Jew Ben boy tell him. LOL
I worked with Jew Dr. Ben and now I am an authority. Lol
Ask your Dr. Ben Major if he speaks and writes 28 languages as my mentor does? (What does that have to do with any of the conversation going on anyway, except to show us your higher authority. Power player right to the end. Geeish.
You proved nothing in what I posted, what you proved was nothing more than a higher authority? lol
So, I guess all the generations of people born before Christ and died were under the law and have no hope what so ever for salvation because they were born too early.
Give me a break! Your traditions of men sticks out like a sore thumb. You Major and the way you present the bible is why there are so many that do not come to the Lord. It is whip and bash, hell, and "fry like a piece of bacon" teachings that pastors like you dish out.
You couldn't even get the simplest Ecclesiastes chapter 12 metaphor expressions correct, and I let you slide on several of your mistakes on our chat on that chapter, just to keep you from going ballistic on me. And to think Dr. Ben must of failed you in that teaching also. lol
Major, you going to be brought to your knees, not by my wit, not by might hand or might, but by God Himself before the end of the year. You can count on it. I don't mean a good bringing down either. There is going to be a huge correction coming your way because of the way you treat people. I see it is just not me you do this with, but anyone that gets into your way. You slice and dice as if you personally own the souls of each person.
I feel sorry for ya!
I tried to be friends with you, but it is not going to happen because you don't want anyone to be a friend that goes against your authority. So with that being said, I could care less what you write or say about me, or anyone else that you have blasted.
You have proven my point clearly what I have been teaching for several years how the end time is going to be and how the falling away will happen. All because of church pride and that is just what Christ Himself taught us.
Hello Little Star!
Major is another WingedLion in the making!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
THANKS. From what I have read that is a compliment. |
| Major User ID: 647112 11/8/2009 8:29 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
HT do you feel proud that you are straying people away from God? Or should I say at least trying to? Gosh, I feel for those who have fallen for your deception.
Sadly they will only realize this once it's too late. I don't understand why some are so weak in their faith. Congrats HT.
Jesus implies that Satan will be continuing his efforts to frustrate the plan of God’s to the end of the age.
He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels (Matthew 13:37-39).
I am not 'straying away from God', as you put it, TxGal, but rather continuing on with thirty years of research into world religions.
Many paths, one God.
Peace. Quoting: lil*miss
Then I invite you to study JESUS!
Instead of religion, which is the playground of Satan,
study the God-Man, Christ Jesus.
HE is the Lord of Lords and King of Kings. He gave of His Word so that we could know who He is and then He gave of the Holy Spirit so that we could understand what He has done. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 647112 11/8/2009 8:30 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Lil Miss
You can research this if you like;
Prophecy is actually unique to the Bible for there are no
such prophetic writings in the Qur'an, Hindu Vedas, and
other famous religious texts.
Further;
Nearly 30% of the Bible is dedicated to prophecy and unlike
today's psychics or other so called prophets like
Nostradamus, the prophecies in the Bible are clear, direct
and verifiable. The fact that prophecy is unique to our
Bible demonstrates it's purpose, which is to prove that the
God of the Bible is the one true God. While we need faith
to believe in God, it must not be a blind faith, for God
has offered us proof of his existence and his power.
Also...
You call Jesus a prophet.
John chapter 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
The Bible states Jesus was God in the Flesh.
I hope this helps a little. I just want you to know
where the Christian is coming from in a debate.
God Bless. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311438
Excellent responce! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 647112 11/8/2009 8:37 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
HT, if you try to say that there is no evidence, I will expose the evidence with each and every post you make, so that you will never be taken seriously by any real Christian, and isn't that your assignment...I mean direction you wish to do, corrupt evey Christian that you can with your poison?
Looks like your flatteries (another satanic tactic)have already won over little star, who is more long winded than even me.
Remember this my friend, the elite of this world saw their destruction, and they saw that it was me who brought it. I will not rest until every bit of occult literature is burned, every high monument built upon a lay line is raised, and every one who has any practice of the occult is cast out like dirt upon the street. I will bring the complete destruction that the elite fear the most...and you are a big inspiration for my great revival.
I will dig up the graves of every occultist including your Stitchin and descecrate them; I will melt their gold idols and use it to make my toilets to display in public restrooms. I will not rest until every witch, wizard, and evil Nephilim receives the persecution that they have deserved. This is not a threat to you personally, but to your controllers. You will loose everyone and everything you ever loved before you are humbled; and it still would not add up to what I have paid for my opinion. You still remain small, and your ego being stroked by witches, and the like, will soon turn into cries of mercy as I extract upon the evil world what they have done to me.
I don't support all of Sitchin either, did I quote from him, no I didn't!!
I did however use your own christian material past and present!!
I wouldn't mind a few of those gold toilets!!
BTW, Little Star hasn't agreed with me on much of anything, but we have remained civil!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
Birds of a feather flock together dont they???? |
| Major User ID: 647112 11/8/2009 8:50 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Well Robert, as always, this thread fails to impress.
Nice to see you though :)
Your ol' GLP "Anti-Buddy"
I'm not looking to impress anyone, I'm just looking for the real gold nuggets!!
I still see however, you're still comfortable with the fools gold!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Hardtruth, as I have said before, I know about your quest, your search. I have been down your road many years ago.
I respect you because of your search, and I respect you because you are a child of God. Others who have not been able to persuade you, want to crunch ya. I just want to continue to chat with you in hopes that you can see that when you love God, and when you love Christ (I am speaking personal here about me), that you don't have to bash someone because they do not believe in Christ or the God that I believe in.
I know many Christians will find fault with what I just said, but I can assure you I have brought many back to the Lord who have been hurt by pastors and church systems. (When I say brought back to the Lord, I really had no Spiritual control over them (That part is always Gods part), but by me sharing what I have learned and the mistakes in the bible and helping them overcome the pit falls of the world, then then begin to see the truth of what I have shared.
Simple things like money, being in debt, and using the scriptures in the bible to show them how to live with debt and do the way God has told us to do, has brought many back to at least taking a second look at the Word.
I choose to be gentle in my method of sharing, and I don't care if other Christians don't like it because I don't join their blood baths that they think is holy.
I hope you understand where I am coming from Hardtruth. I am not out to change you, but to present the correct way and the truths that I have found in scriptures and the mistakes that people make in teaching them and learning them.
Anyway, I care for you Hardtruth as a friend, and I hope you can see that even tho I am a Christian, I am not going to hold you over the barrel and curse you for any reason.
Take care Hardtruth!
Little Star, thank you for your kindness and softness, you are a credit to your beliefs!!
I understand very well the hardcore hammer of indoctrination from folks such as Major, Jonathan, and many others here on this board, they are young and immature souls!!
I would be happy to travel anywhere in the world with such a gentle and loving soul as yourself, aa to the others I just ignore their ignorance and immaturity!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
Now that is sweet, but not unexpected from most of us.
You see, the Bible says that Christians are Salt and LIGHT in this world. Darkness can not exist when the LIGHT of Gods Word shines. Since all that LittleStar does is coosy up to HD without any expostion to his sin nature and the cure for it, he is in fact in the DARK as well.
"We are in this world, but we are not to be a part of this world".
I guess that is proof why HD does not care for me or Jonathan or the others who have said to him that he is sinner and all sinners must come to Christ in order to be saved from the judgment. |
| Major User ID: 647112 11/8/2009 8:58 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Your words Major..
NOW WE ALL KNOW. A Christian whould NEVER tell anyone to go to hell much less the people HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT to do the same as well.
( You are full of the spirit of Satan and just as Peter was tempted and lied so are you filled).
I NEVER SAID ONE TIME THAT YOU WERE GOING TO HELL. YOU HAVE PUT WORDS INTO MY CHAT.
You have again validated my point of how pastors like you operate. You are full of Satan and He has control over you and I am trying to rebuke Satan, so now I will.
I rebuke you Satan in the name of the Lord Jesus the Christ and I command you back into the pit and leave this man of God alone.
There you go bro! You should be free now of Satan! Quoting: Little Star
You are one scary person!
I knew you could not be trusted to keep your word.
You said you were going to make the happiest man in the world by leaving me out of your conversation. YOU JUST COULD NOT DO IT COULD YOU. Is that not another lie????
You rebuking Satan....that is a good one. Do you have his 800 number on speed dial????? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 803442 11/8/2009 8:59 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Little Star, thank you for your kindness and softness, you are a credit to your beliefs!!
I understand very well the hardcore hammer of indoctrination from folks such as Major, Jonathan, and many others here on this board, they are young and immature souls!!
I would be happy to travel anywhere in the world with such a gentle and loving soul as yourself, aa to the others I just ignore their ignorance and immaturity!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Now that is sweet, but not unexpected from most of us.
You see, the Bible says that Christians are Salt and LIGHT in this world. Darkness can not exist when the LIGHT of Gods Word shines. Since all that LittleStar does is coosy up to HD without any expostion to his sin nature and the cure for it, he is in fact in the DARK as well.
"We are in this world, but we are not to be a part of this world".
I guess that is proof why HD does not care for me or Jonathan or the others who have said to him that he is sinner and all sinners must come to Christ in order to be saved from the judgment. Quoting: Major 647112
I wouldn't cosy up to someone who called me a sinner, either. That's not just Little Star and HT, It's human nature.
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| Major User ID: 647112 11/8/2009 9:00 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Major
Have a nice evening. God Bless. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311438
Thank you from the bottom of my heart. That was very sweet of you and God blessings to you as well.
Today is CHURCH Day! I hope you attend somewhere and have a good day. |
| Wingedlion  Wingedlion User ID: 813407 11/8/2009 10:33 AM
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Can you please define programmed multiple for me WingedLion? Thank you.
Generational Satanist practice what is termed "Trama based programming". How it is done is they strap the initiate to a chair totally naked, then they shove electrodes in under their finger nails, on their teats, and on their genetils. Then they hit the juice (electricity) until the person starts to pass out.
Then the person is given a drug that was developed by the nazis that keeps a person from passing out from pain. Once that drug starts to take effect, then the torture begins again, only instead of passing out, their minds begin to "fracture" into multiple personalities. It is a phychological survival response, when these other personalities begin to emerge, they are in a weakened state and are then "programmed" to do certain things and to respond to certain "triggers" that will bring the personality to the front.
In this manner, the individual can perform certain duties, go underground, or any other kind of atrocity and do so without the core person even knowing about it.
Hard Truth shows the exact signs of being a programmed multiple. I believe that His parents were actually generational Satanist living a sleeper cell under the guise of Christianity, then had certain "circumstances" to be brought into his life so that he would hate and reject God later on in his life.
This is done to literally thousands of people and has been going on for hundreds of years, so theat now they have people infiltrated into every level of society, especially in positions of prominance such as judges, doctors, police, education and politics. All being a type of "Manchurian candidates".
My only son was kidnapped by a group of Generational Satanist and did this to him because they could not get to me. This is why I have dedicated myself to destroying Satan's Kingdom...because of what they had done to my son. Hard Truth keeps doing things that remind me of my son. I suspect...more each day, that this is what HT is dealing with, and his core personality may not even be aware of what this one is doing.
Dude, WTF, I know this kind of shit goes down, but that is not me or my family!!
I have a free thinking mind, and the only programming that actually happened was being raised a christian!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
All I am saying is that all the evidence is there; let people make up their own mind, isn't that at the heart of "free thinking"? It is my opinion that you are a programed multiple, who would lie and deny with your last dying breath to keep others from discovering your dirty little secret. Let's let time see who was correct on this one.
Call me naive or a spiritual retard if you like, but I find this shocking. Who on earth needs these kind of tactics to support/oppose religion?
Where is this supposed torture going on? Third world countries, here? This is sickening to me.
 Quoting: lil*miss
I'm sorry Lil Miss, you may intellectually be a genuis, but spiritually, you are (sic) un-teachable (retard). You do not know what is really going on here, you are a total "outsider" and so completely naieve as to what goes on around the world.
I have endured torture greater than any prisoner of war. yet I am not the only one who is suffering, literally thousands of people in this Nation of the US are being targeted by the Powers that be and are tortured and harrassed and Nothing is being reported about it in the news.
If you are interested in learning about what is really going on, I would be glad to give you the resources to understand, but I suspect that no amount of information will convince someone who has already made up their mind. You have already been jaded by bias; you vere toward the darkness so your natural response will be to deny the truth and hold onto fantasy make believe, "space alien" sci-fi theology, rather than anything mainstream.
I have already told you the truth, yet you hold onto it as a pig would a precious pearl; trampling it under your feet, and having no understanding of the worth of what you have just been given. It is easier for you to deny the truth rather than to accept the responsibility of what truth demands.
If you think that I am just "out of my mind" about all this, you had better think again, I am on the cutting edge, and I am an elite "insider", more so than anyone on this forum. But let me say this, there is a price to pay for having absolute truth, and most people do not have what it takes to pay that price. For them, it is easier to remain in a state of spiritual retardation. I suspect that is your state as well. |
| FHL(C) User ID: 813438 11/8/2009 10:49 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
May I ask you what is your opinion on the conflict between the NT and OT? Quoting: lil*miss
There is no conflict, it is a contrived issue, deliberately instituted by big church politics when the caesars decided to switch careers, as long term insurance to become mammon and caesar, rome as they say wasn't built in day and is still here, in the cities and board rooms of great many cities on this earth.
Early believers and faithful remnant have always been around, The Holy spirit is no respecter of persons, those who will, can, those who wont cant, and everyone else gets to watch.
Itching ears that are soothed by lies never can discern when the time is, they seek to wizards that mutter and peep, amongst other practices that God expressly says lead to the darkness of hell, in spirit, soul and body, whether alive on the earth or not. [link to freewordofgod.yuku.com] |
| x User ID: 813459 11/8/2009 11:14 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote | Your definition and understanding of sin is different from mine!!
You need a savior, I do not!!H.T.
ah, the area of our disagreement.
well, simply put, how do you define sin? at least we agree that sin exists (whew) |
| x User ID: 813459 11/8/2009 11:27 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote | sometimes truth comes in small and elegant packages.
i simply define sin as 'imperfection'
that you, H.T. defined yourself as 'not perfect', i then interpreted your reply as your admission of being a sinner, like me, also imperfect. |
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