One of those most ironic things about Christianity is that the concept of Hell and Heaven. To them, this is the ONLY choice after one dies BUT it never thoroughly describes in details what are those two places made of. Sheesh, if you tell me I am going to heaven then please at least tell me in details about the place I am going to. It's just like saying: "oh, beyond that mountain is paradise" but never describe in details what are there in paradise.
Any Christians here would like to educate us about this?
Actually, both are anything you want them to be. You see, in the Spiritual Realm, you literally create your own reality. "Heaven" and "Hell" actually do exist, IF you beLIEve in them. BUT, what you're NEVER taught, is that there are realms that are ABOVE "heaven" and "hell."
Thank you. I was just asking the real Christians what the definition of Hell and Heaven is on their own terms.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 795140
You're welcome! Now, I guess the next question is - What constitutes a "real" Christian?
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Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobaccos worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children.
MagiChristmas Cher Ami -- When did Pigeons not= Doves? User ID: 554973 11/2/2009 7:39 PM
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
One of those most ironic things about Christianity is that the concept of Hell and Heaven. To them, this is the ONLY choice after one dies BUT it never thoroughly describes in details what are those two places made of. Sheesh, if you tell me I am going to heaven then please at least tell me in details about the place I am going to. It's just like saying: "oh, beyond that mountain is paradise" but never describe in details what are there in paradise.
Any Christians here would like to educate us about this?
Sorry MagiChristmas. The three kingdom of Heavens mentioned are still very vague and the Hell that has no end is all allusion. If you want to make clear how people should obey the rules of God, you should describe in details the two places so that followers can understand and believe in it more. Just like you tell a person how a prison look like in details. You know what I meant.
Do you have anything better to describe in details about heaven and hell for us, MagicChristmas?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 795140
... Even the glory of the telestial kingdom, the lowest kingdom, "is so great that we would be tempted to commit suicide to get there... - [link to www.lightplanet.com]
Technology is just beginning to hint at what is possible in even the lowest degree of glory.
Tis True, Tis True, Second Degree Doom Doth Ensue precisely as prescribed several months prior.
Discern the TRUTH of the TimeTable of Doom described in the aforementioned links. The TToD is Based on April 6th aka The MOST Significant day - 4.6 magnitude precursor earthquake struck Italy on April 6th shortly after the Prophet spoke. Then the major earthquake event occurred shortly after general conference adjourned. Ref=lds.org The swine flu epidemic also emerged on April 6th in Mexico.
... Even the glory of the telestial kingdom, the lowest kingdom, "is so great that we would be tempted to commit suicide to get there... - [link to www.lightplanet.com]
Technology is just beginning to hint at what is possible in even the lowest degree of glory.
MC
Quoting: MagiChristmas
Still same vague answer. And did you mention technology? Dude, you have no idea about the heaven that you think you are about to go there.
The only way I would be a Christian is the desire to have God teaches me how to develop magical powers, divine wisdom and such. You people have no idea what you want and that's incredible!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 809003 11/2/2009 8:15 PM
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Mostly a Lie:
>>The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods.<<
There is a emall amount of truth to what is said but as usual in Hard Truth's posts, he also tells you half truths. Which is of course a nice way of saying 'lie'.
H430
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:
H433
'ĕlôahh 'ĕlôahh
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God
H410
'êl
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty: - God
So what it really means is GOD (the ONE diety) and His magistrates (or angels.
NOT gods as HT would have you believe.
And this is how Hard Truth operates - half truths and lies.
... Even the glory of the telestial kingdom, the lowest kingdom, "is so great that we would be tempted to commit suicide to get there... - [link to www.lightplanet.com]
Technology is just beginning to hint at what is possible in even the lowest degree of glory.
MC
Still same vague answer. And did you mention technology? Dude, you have no idea about the heaven that you think you are about to go there.
The only way I would be a Christian is the desire to have God teaches me how to develop magical powers, divine wisdom and such. You people have no idea what you want and that's incredible!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 795140
line upon line.
precept upon precept.
here a little, there a little.
by small steps, great things are accomplished.
a small rudder steers a great ship.
The master Himself went from grace to greater grace.
Tis True, Tis True, Second Degree Doom Doth Ensue precisely as prescribed several months prior.
Discern the TRUTH of the TimeTable of Doom described in the aforementioned links. The TToD is Based on April 6th aka The MOST Significant day - 4.6 magnitude precursor earthquake struck Italy on April 6th shortly after the Prophet spoke. Then the major earthquake event occurred shortly after general conference adjourned. Ref=lds.org The swine flu epidemic also emerged on April 6th in Mexico.
"I'm going to blow this stupid thread into oblivion."
Good one.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 311438
Hmmm, it looks like HT has the survival instincts of a cockroach. I shall let him survive for a day or so while I go and mix up some bug spray.
Last Edited by 9teen.47™ on 11/3/2009 at 8:01 AM Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
STOCK UP NOW. You should have at least 6 months worth of basics for every member of your household. Stay away from crowds when trouble starts, do not forget water storage, tobaccos worth more than gold or silver, and be kind to hungry children.
Wingedlion Wingedlion User ID: 809385 11/3/2009 10:35 AM
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Mostly a Lie:
>>The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods.<<
There is a emall amount of truth to what is said but as usual in Hard Truth's posts, he also tells you half truths. Which is of course a nice way of saying 'lie'.
H430
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:
H433
'ĕlôahh 'ĕlôahh
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God
H410
'êl
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty: - God
So what it really means is GOD (the ONE diety) and His magistrates (or angels.
NOT gods as HT would have you believe.
And this is how Hard Truth operates - half truths and lies.
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Quoting: HardTruth
You are both a liar and a sinner, don't continue to deceive yourself. You haven't a clue as to what is about to happen. That is because you are an outsider. An outsider who wishes he were an insider, so you adopt the lies of your Nephilim pupetmasters, and believe hat it is truth...What a fool.
"But every man's work is tried by fire..." Soon your pupetmasters will be taken out, harvested, then your false "comic book religion" will also be exposed as the ruse that it is.
Then anybody who has adopted this religion will be hunted down so that all remaining bit of their poison can be eliminated from the Earth.
That is when you will be humbled; when you experience REAL persecution. It is so sad that you have to experience such terrible things to bring you out of the darkness, but mark my words...all that I have said today will come to pass.
Mostly a Lie:
>>The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods.<<
There is a emall amount of truth to what is said but as usual in Hard Truth's posts, he also tells you half truths. Which is of course a nice way of saying 'lie'.
H430
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:
H433
'ĕlôahh 'ĕlôahh
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God
H410
'êl
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty: - God
So what it really means is GOD (the ONE diety) and His magistrates (or angels.
NOT gods as HT would have you believe.
And this is how Hard Truth operates - half truths and lies.
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
You are both a liar and a sinner, don't continue to deceive yourself. You haven't a clue as to what is about to happen. That is because you are an outsider. An outsider who wishes he were an insider, so you adopt the lies of your Nephilim pupetmasters, and believe hat it is truth...What a fool.
"But every man's work is tried by fire..." Soon your pupetmasters will be taken out, harvested, then your false "comic book religion" will also be exposed as the ruse that it is.
Then anybody who has adopted this religion will be hunted down so that all remaining bit of their poison can be eliminated from the Earth.
That is when you will be humbled; when you experience REAL persecution. It is so sad that you have to experience such terrible things to bring you out of the darkness, but mark my words...all that I have said today will come to pass.
Quoting: Wingedlion
The formulators of the bible knew very well their deceit would one day be revealed, and the poison they spread would infect society to a point that removal by death would be the only way to finally rid the world of it's indoctrination!!
Their prophecy for such is the well known beheading of the christians for their refusal to denounce the false religion of christianity and the one god concept!!
In order for our planet to takes it's place in some sort of Galactic Federation of worlds, we cant have the bulk of the Earth's population thinking all other intelligent beings in the universe are nothing more than evil Demons!!
Only after your death will you realize just how complete and severe your deceptions really were, it is unfortunate that it will be to late to do a damn thing about it because you're time has expired!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
It's very easy to start another religion like Christianity. Based on my observation of the people on this forum, I am sure we can write our new "Bible" much better than it is currently. Hard Truth, you can be the Chief Editor.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 775544 11/3/2009 2:13 PM
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Wow HardTruth, that is a great post, this totally exposes Christianity as a fraud and by the amount of negative feedback especially from 1947, who is totally loosing herself, you really seem to have hit the core.
There is a massive self protection mechanism going on in this thread, yet nobody of them is able to disproof what you say.
They know that what you say is true, they can proof the original meanings in the hebrew language for themselves, but they fear the moment of truth, when they will loose their identity and everything they have believed in.
They cannot even take the truth of the original bible that was written in hebrew... it is really pathetic, everyone here constantly posts bible quotes and nobody of them quotes the original bible and the real meanings...
And even in the Light of the HardTruth, they still cannot accept it, because of fearing the consequences.
It's very easy to start another religion like Christianity. Based on my observation of the people on this forum, I am sure we can write our new "Bible" much better than it is currently. Hard Truth, you can be the Chief Editor.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 325497
The New Bible, lol....I like the sound of that, although Earth has way too many religions as it is!!
The New Awakening is what we need, and with the truth's now accumulated I bet we could shut down the Vatican and it's bastard spin-offs like christianity once and for all!!
I guarantee we could give the serpent bloodlines of the British monarchy a mental duel worth the watch!!
Who else would like to set forth and render aid from TPTB's merciless and demented religious protractions?
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
But just because you do know some of these words, doesn't mean you don't twist things to your viewpoint either.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 805575
He doesn't know squat, just copy and paste. He probably didn't even read the whole thing himself ;) "I have long believed that a man who spurns the Christian faith outright is more respected before God and the heavenly powers than the man who pretends to religion but refuses to come under its total domination. The first is an overt enemy, the second a false friend. It is the latter who will be spewed out of the mouth of Christ; and the reason is not hard to understand." - A.W.Tozer
Wow HardTruth, that is a great post, this totally exposes Christianity as a fraud and by the amount of negative feedback especially from 1947, who is totally loosing herself, you really seem to have hit the core.
There is a massive self protection mechanism going on in this thread, yet nobody of them is able to disproof what you say.
They know that what you say is true, they can proof the original meanings in the hebrew language for themselves, but they fear the moment of truth, when they will loose their identity and everything they have believed in.
They cannot even take the truth of the original bible that was written in hebrew... it is really pathetic, everyone here constantly posts bible quotes and nobody of them quotes the original bible and the real meanings...
And even in the Light of the HardTruth, they still cannot accept it, because of fearing the consequences.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 775544
Hey thanks, and yes, lol...they be foaming at the gills, turning green from holding down their vomit of despair!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 325497 11/3/2009 2:54 PM
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
The New Bible, lol....I like the sound of that, although Earth has way too many religions as it is!!
The New Awakening is what we need, and with the truth's now accumulated I bet we could shut down the Vatican and it's bastard spin-offs like christianity once and for all!!
I guarantee we could give the serpent bloodlines of the British monarchy a mental duel worth the watch!!
Who else would like to set forth and render aid from TPTB's merciless and demented religious protractions?
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Quoting: HardTruth
How do we go about to spread the truth as far and as wide as possible? Do you have any tips for me as I will do my part to bring it down?
The New Bible, lol....I like the sound of that, although Earth has way too many religions as it is!!
The New Awakening is what we need, and with the truth's now accumulated I bet we could shut down the Vatican and it's bastard spin-offs like christianity once and for all!!
I guarantee we could give the serpent bloodlines of the British monarchy a mental duel worth the watch!!
Who else would like to set forth and render aid from TPTB's merciless and demented religious protractions?
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
How do we go about to spread the truth as far and as wide as possible? Do you have any tips for me as I will do my part to bring it down?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 325497
Do your homework, lots of homework and spread it by every means possible!!
These two books are a must!!
The Greatest Story Never Told: A Scientific Inquiry into the Evidence of the Fall of Man from a Higher Civilization in Antiquity
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:cheerful: "Cowgal, you idiot! You just hit Grover's Mill in New Jersey."
:uni: "Maybe no one will notice."
:aynrand: "You fools just turned out all the lights in New York City."
:happydaze: "Ayn Rand just phoned. And boy is she really pissed."
:konno: "Blame it on aliens."
:mexico2: :airplane1:................ "Lady, I swear all I was doing was crop dusting."
:dreamy:............ "Oops, sorry. We meant these aliens."
:wildrover::z3:
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THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS LOCKER IS FORBIDDEN TO ANYONE UNDER 15.
Quoting: 9teen.47™
Oh yeah, you sure blew it right into oblivion by posting all those pics of Asian girls. Wow, you have got to be a pedophile.
Ishtahota User ID: 774631 11/3/2009 3:34 PM
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
The san-skrit is as pure a language as it comes and the QU'ran is as pure a writing as can be writen...
..both have been UNCHANGED from the beginning!
here...
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com] I had mentioned how amazed at how the Qu'ran has remained in its pure form and un-changed...
I was following a thread about how Pure Tone sound vibrations manipulate salt in the physical world into intricut geometric shapes on a 2 dementional serface... [link to www.youtube.com]
(I had investigated this on one of my previous threads.)
...and I followed a link on that thread to a Dr. Hans Jenny who wrote the book:
-The Structure and Dynamics of Waves and Vibrations-
Jenny made use of crystal oscillators and an invention of his own by the name of the tonoscope. The advantage with the crystal oscillators inside the tonoscope is that one can determine exactly which frequency and amplitude/volume one wants.
The tonoscope was constructed to make the human voice visible without any electronic apparatus as an intermediate link. This yielded the amazing possibility of being able to see the physical image of the vowel, tone or song a human being produced directly.
Jenny called this new area of research cymatics, which comes from the Greek kyma, wave. Cymatics could be translated as: the study of how vibrations, in the broad sense, generate and influence patterns, shapes and moving processes.
This is the letter "A" (useing sand as the medium)... [link to www.mysticalsun.com]
..and in it..
...... Jenny noticed that when the vowels of the ancient languages of Hebrew and Sanskrit were pronounced, the sand took the shape of the written symbols for these vowels, while our modern languages, on the other hand, did not generate the same result!
How is this possible? Did the ancient Hebrews and Indians know this? Is there something to the concept of "sacred language," which both of these are sometimes called? What qualities do these "sacred languages," among which Tibetan, Egyptian and Chinese are often numbered, possess? Do they have the power to influence and transform physical reality, to create things through their inherent power, or, to take a concrete example, through the recitation or singing of sacred texts, to heal a person who has gone "out of tune"?
Great thread!
Anonymous Coward User ID: 809654 11/3/2009 4:08 PM
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Do you ever come up with your own conclusion and material?
Copy and Paste is starting to get old, give us something new, something from your own mind.
Quoting: R\\//T 658677
If you are a Bible believer, you haven't come to your own conclusions thru your own material. You have been TOLD how to think and what to believe. So give HT a break, no? He presents a wealth of information...with sources. There's no known source for the OT/NT tome.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 754324 11/3/2009 4:15 PM
Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic!
Do you ever come up with your own conclusion and material?
Copy and Paste is starting to get old, give us something new, something from your own mind.
If you are a Bible believer, you haven't come to your own conclusions thru your own material. You have been TOLD how to think and what to believe. So give HT a break, no? He presents a wealth of information...with sources. There's no known source for the OT/NT tome.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 809654
But his information is lies and his sources are liars.
If you would spend some time checking out what he posts, you would quickly learn - they are lies.
But NO you just go right along with whatever he says and Never check him out.
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"I'm going to blow this stupid thread into oblivion."
"Cowgal, you idiot! You just hit Grover's Mill in New Jersey."
"Maybe no one will notice."
"You fools just turned out all the lights in New York City."
"Ayn Rand just phoned. And boy is she really pissed."
"Blame it on aliens."
................ "Lady, I swear all I was doing was crop dusting."
............ "Oops, sorry. We meant these aliens." 
Hmmm, it looks like HT has the survival instincts of a cockroach. I shall let him survive for a day or so while I go and mix up some bug spray. 
