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| HardTruth 
User ID: 809517
11/3/2009 7:22 PM
 | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Hey pedo, posing as a Christian, why do you keep posting pics of young Asian girls that have nothing to do with the topics of your posts?
I have come to the conclusion that these girls must be the heavenly virgins that await us when we die for Israel. Quoting: Goons fer God 809563
lol...
That, or he/she has a brothel!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! |
| Perhaps
User ID: 796320
11/3/2009 7:32 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
We see through your trickery Hardtruth . There was no Hebrew when Adam was alive.
The Sumerians were, but you guys dismiss their material, and the Hebrews were the original Irish druids!!
But noooo, lol...let the gypsies steal the language, manipulate it, slap their label on it, claim to be the chosen race, and you guys eat it up!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Pure theory. You were not there. You have no way of proving a word of your theory.
"If it thinks it knows all and has all the answers, it is a crock"
And you were not their at the re-creation of modern day man either!!
We can however look at ALL the ancient texts to get a better understanding of what exactly went down, this is something you christians flat out refuse to do!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
What is your definition of Christian? You called me that, what are you calling me, in your own words? Quoting: Uh, OK 385444
I would be interested in your answer to Uh, OK's question. |
| FHL(C)
User ID: 809759
11/3/2009 7:40 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
You want to know why the op is so desperate to draw argument?
Because scripture is being fulfilled in an ongoing basis, more and more each day, as our Lord, God, Creator of this Universe and all its laws of science and nature, and Savior draws closer. And he, the op is afraid, and seeks comfort in confusing and undermining as many as he can, before he loses out to a major event from scripture coming to pass on a global before your eyes context, in other words , the op is a useful tool of the devil/s and demons.
[link to freewordofgod.yuku.com] |
| Perhaps
User ID: 796320
11/3/2009 7:41 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Yeah, it does suck.
But just because you do know some of these words, doesn't mean you don't twist things to your viewpoint either.
He doesn't know squat, just copy and paste. He probably didn't even read the whole thing himself ;)
Yes I read it, checked it, and double checked it, verified and stamped as a HardTruth!!
And I absolutely know more truth's than you ignorant christians!!
:teeeehee:
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Uhh..NO you don't. And you absolutely DO not check - if you did you would know better.
Ahh...
HT, the king of cut and paste.
Mostly a Lie:
>>The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods.<<
There is a emall amount of truth to what is said but as usual in Hard Truth's posts, he also tells you half truths. Which is of course a nice way of saying 'lie'.
H430
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:
H433
'ĕlôahh 'ĕlôahh
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God
H410
'êl
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty: - God
So what it really means is GOD (the ONE diety) and His magistrates (or angels.
NOT gods as HT would have you believe.
And this is how Hard Truth operates - half truths and lies.
Then your bible is in error?
Let US (plural) make man in OUR (plural) image (Gen 1: 26)
Let US (plural) go down, and there confound their language (Gen 11:7)
God standeth in the CONGREGATION (plural, the other Elohim) of the mighty (plural); he judgeth among the gods. (Plural) (Psalms 82:1)
Who were the 1/3 that rebelled grasshopper, it wasn't the angels (messengers)?
The Babylonian Talmudic texts list the names of the 200 that fell, lets see 1/3 = 200, that would make it originally 600 Elohim!!
These 200 took wives....
The benei Elohim saw the daughters of Adam, that they were fit extensions. And they took wives for themselves from all those that they chose...
The Nephelim were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when the benei Elohim came in to the daughters of Adam, and they bore to them—they were Powerful Ones which existed from ancient times, the men of name. (Gen. 6:2,4) Interlinear Hebrew Bible
I am not wrong!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
You are dreaming sir. You think because 200 were listed that there are only 600 of them?
Matthew 26:53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? This is Jesus' words. Now lets look at the definition of a legion.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
As you can see Mutiply 5000+/- x 12 and you clearly will not come up with 600.
You claim anyone who disagrees with you does not know the bible. I submit this as clear evidence you do not know what your talking about sir. |
| HardTruth
User ID: 809517
11/3/2009 7:44 PM
| | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
We see through your trickery Hardtruth . There was no Hebrew when Adam was alive.
The Sumerians were, but you guys dismiss their material, and the Hebrews were the original Irish druids!!
But noooo, lol...let the gypsies steal the language, manipulate it, slap their label on it, claim to be the chosen race, and you guys eat it up!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Pure theory. You were not there. You have no way of proving a word of your theory.
"If it thinks it knows all and has all the answers, it is a crock"
And you were not their at the re-creation of modern day man either!!
We can however look at ALL the ancient texts to get a better understanding of what exactly went down, this is something you christians flat out refuse to do!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
What is your definition of Christian? You called me that, what are you calling me, in your own words?
I would be interested in your answer to Uh, OK's question. Quoting: Perhaps 796320
Christians are those who believe in a one god (OT god), jesus the son of this OT god, who came in the flesh, crucified on the cross to save humankind from the so called fall in Eden!!
Slight variations of the above doctrines included!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! |
| Perhaps
User ID: 796320
11/3/2009 7:44 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
You want to know why the op is so desperate to draw argument?
Because scripture is being fulfilled in an ongoing basis, more and more each day, as our Lord, God, Creator of this Universe and all its laws of science and nature, and Savior draws closer. And he, the op is afraid, and seeks comfort in confusing and undermining as many as he can, before he loses out to a major event from scripture coming to pass on a global before your eyes context, in other words , the op is a useful tool of the devil/s and demons. Quoting: FHL(C)
Frankly, there are numerous occasions, in which HardTruth is show to be in error. Most of the time He ignores the post that he cannot refute or are to difficult to answer. Something He enjoys pointing out about those who disagree with him. |
| Perhaps
User ID: 796320
11/3/2009 7:47 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
We see through your trickery Hardtruth . There was no Hebrew when Adam was alive.
The Sumerians were, but you guys dismiss their material, and the Hebrews were the original Irish druids!!
But noooo, lol...let the gypsies steal the language, manipulate it, slap their label on it, claim to be the chosen race, and you guys eat it up!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Pure theory. You were not there. You have no way of proving a word of your theory.
"If it thinks it knows all and has all the answers, it is a crock"
And you were not their at the re-creation of modern day man either!!
We can however look at ALL the ancient texts to get a better understanding of what exactly went down, this is something you christians flat out refuse to do!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
What is your definition of Christian? You called me that, what are you calling me, in your own words?
I would be interested in your answer to Uh, OK's question.
Christians are those who believe in a one god (OT god), jesus the son of this OT god, who came in the flesh, crucified on the cross to save humankind from the so called fall in Eden!!
Slight variations of the above doctrines included!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
Thank you. |
| HardTruth
User ID: 809517
11/3/2009 7:48 PM
| | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
You want to know why the op is so desperate to draw argument?
Because scripture is being fulfilled in an ongoing basis, more and more each day, as our Lord, God, Creator of this Universe and all its laws of science and nature, and Savior draws closer. And he, the op is afraid, and seeks comfort in confusing and undermining as many as he can, before he loses out to a major event from scripture coming to pass on a global before your eyes context, in other words , the op is a useful tool of the devil/s and demons. Quoting: FHL(C)
Not at all grasshopper!!
Thousands of years of planning by TPTB coming to fruition is not divine providence being fulfilled!!
lol...the so called prophecies of Daniel and Revelations is none other than TPTB desperate to rebuild their precious Atlantis, while claiming prophecy fulfilled with Israel at the helm!!
Poseidon, King Of Atlantis: Remaking The NWO!! Connecting The Dots!!
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
The Biblical King-Of-Tyre = Quin-o-taur/Poseidon
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 754324
11/3/2009 7:56 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
ONe MORE TIME HT just for you.
Please read and try to understand. You have to take in all three defs to get the full meaning.
elohim
H430
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:
H433
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God
H410
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty: - God
So what it really means is GOD (the ONE diety) and His magistrates (or angels).
NOT ‘gods’ . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754324
Still waiting H T.
Admit it - you are wrong about the meaning of the word 'elohim'. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 739897
11/3/2009 8:07 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Hey Hardtruth, I hope you don't take offense of what I have posted, okay Bro? (You know, of what I said was in error..)
Never do I take offense, I am here to learn as well!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
so body, soul, and spirit equals formed, made and created? |
| HardTruth
User ID: 809517
11/3/2009 8:11 PM
| | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
ONe MORE TIME HT just for you.
Please read and try to understand. You have to take in all three defs to get the full meaning.
elohim
H430
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:
H433
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God
H410
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty: - God
So what it really means is GOD (the ONE diety) and His magistrates (or angels).
NOT ‘gods’ .
Still waiting H T.
Admit it - you are wrong about the meaning of the word 'elohim'. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754324
Once again.................
Then your bible is in error?
Let US (plural) make man in OUR (plural) image (Gen 1: 26)
Let US (plural) go down, and there confound their language (Gen 11:7)
God standeth in the CONGREGATION (plural, the other Elohim) of the mighty (plural); he judgeth among the gods. (Plural) (Psalms 82:1)
Who were the 1/3 that rebelled grasshopper, it wasn't the angels (messengers)?
The Babylonian Talmudic texts list the names of the 200 that fell, lets see 1/3 = 200, that would make it originally 600 Elohim!!
These 200 took wives....
The benei Elohim saw the daughters of Adam, that they were fit extensions. And they took wives for themselves from all those that they chose...
The Nephelim were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when the benei Elohim came in to the daughters of Adam, and they bore to them—they were Powerful Ones which existed from ancient times, the men of name. (Gen. 6:2,4) Interlinear Hebrew Bible
El = god
Elohim = gods
Malchi/malachi = angels = messengers
Malachi (or Malachias, מַלְאָכִ​97;, Malʾaḫi, Mál'akhî) is a book of the hebrew Bible and Jewish Tanakh, written by the prophet Malachi. Possibly this is not the name of the author, since Malachi means 'my messenger' or 'my angel' in Hebrew.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
I am not wrong!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Last Edited by HardTruth on 11/3/2009 at 8:16 PM |
| HardTruth
User ID: 809517
11/3/2009 8:16 PM
| | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Hey Hardtruth, I hope you don't take offense of what I have posted, okay Bro? (You know, of what I said was in error..)
Never do I take offense, I am here to learn as well!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
so body, soul, and spirit equals formed, made and created? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 739897
Soul created, yes!!
Body created, yes, but by a different entity!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 754324
11/3/2009 8:16 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
ONe MORE TIME HT just for you.
Please read and try to understand. You have to take in all three defs to get the full meaning.
elohim
H430
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:
H433
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God
H410
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty: - God
So what it really means is GOD (the ONE diety) and His magistrates (or angels).
NOT ‘gods’ .
Still waiting H T.
Admit it - you are wrong about the meaning of the word 'elohim'.
Once again.................
Then your bible is in error?
Let US (plural) make man in OUR (plural) image (Gen 1: 26)
Let US (plural) go down, and there confound their language (Gen 11:7)
God standeth in the CONGREGATION (plural, the other Elohim) of the mighty (plural); he judgeth among the gods. (Plural) (Psalms 82:1)
Who were the 1/3 that rebelled grasshopper, it wasn't the angels (messengers)?
The Babylonian Talmudic texts list the names of the 200 that fell, lets see 1/3 = 200, that would make it originally 600 Elohim!!
These 200 took wives....
The benei Elohim saw the daughters of Adam, that they were fit extensions. And they took wives for themselves from all those that they chose...
The Nephelim were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when the benei Elohim came in to the daughters of Adam, and they bore to them—they were Powerful Ones which existed from ancient times, the men of name. (Gen. 6:2,4) Interlinear Hebrew Bible
El = god
Elohim = gods
Malchi/malachi = angels = messengers
Malachi (or Malachias, מַלְאָכִ​97;, Malʾaḫi, Mál'akhî) is a book of the hebrew Bible and Jewish Tanakh, written by the prophet Malachi. Possibly this is not the name of the author, since Malachi means 'my messenger' or 'my angel' in Hebrew.
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
I am not wrong!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
You are as pathetic little man ht.
It is written there plain for all to see and you will not admit it.
But others will read and see that you are a fraud and a lair. And that was my main goal after all.
I am done with this thread, grasshopper. |
| HardTruth
User ID: 809517
11/3/2009 8:24 PM
| | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
ONe MORE TIME HT just for you.
Please read and try to understand. You have to take in all three defs to get the full meaning.
elohim
H430
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:
H433
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God
H410
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty: - God
So what it really means is GOD (the ONE diety) and His magistrates (or angels).
NOT ‘gods’ .
Still waiting H T.
Admit it - you are wrong about the meaning of the word 'elohim'.
Once again.................
Then your bible is in error?
Let US (plural) make man in OUR (plural) image (Gen 1: 26)
Let US (plural) go down, and there confound their language (Gen 11:7)
God standeth in the CONGREGATION (plural, the other Elohim) of the mighty (plural); he judgeth among the gods. (Plural) (Psalms 82:1)
Who were the 1/3 that rebelled grasshopper, it wasn't the angels (messengers)?
The Babylonian Talmudic texts list the names of the 200 that fell, lets see 1/3 = 200, that would make it originally 600 Elohim!!
These 200 took wives....
The benei Elohim saw the daughters of Adam, that they were fit extensions. And they took wives for themselves from all those that they chose...
The Nephelim were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when the benei Elohim came in to the daughters of Adam, and they bore to them—they were Powerful Ones which existed from ancient times, the men of name. (Gen. 6:2,4) Interlinear Hebrew Bible
El = god
Elohim = gods
Malchi/malachi = angels = messengers
Malachi (or Malachias, מַלְאָכִ​97;, Malʾaḫi, Mál'akhî) is a book of the hebrew Bible and Jewish Tanakh, written by the prophet Malachi. Possibly this is not the name of the author, since Malachi means 'my messenger' or 'my angel' in Hebrew.
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
I am not wrong!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
You are as pathetic little man ht.
It is written there plain for all to see and you will not admit it.
But others will read and see that you are a fraud and a lair. And that was my main goal after all.
I am done with this thread, grasshopper.
I am not lying you worm!!
Either your bible is lying or your sources or both, which one is it!!
All the other ancient text confirm what I've been trying to tell you!!
"The reptiles (plural) verily descend. The Earth is resplendent as a well-watered garden, and at that time Enki and Eridu had not appeared. Daylight did not shine. Moonlight had not emerged. "I shall establish a savage. Man will be his name. Verily, savage-man I shall create. He will be charged with the service of the Gods(plural), that they might be at ease." (Sumerian Creation Epic)
Let US (plural) make him who shall nourish and sustain US. What shall WE (plural) do to be invoked, to be remembered in earth? WE (plural) have tried with our first creatures, but WE (plural) could not make them venerate US (plural). So then, let US try to make obedient, respectful beings, who shall nourish and sustain US (plural). (The Maya Popul Vuh)
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Last Edited by HardTruth on 11/3/2009 at 8:37 PM |
| Perhaps
User ID: 796320
11/3/2009 9:02 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Yeah, it does suck.
But just because you do know some of these words, doesn't mean you don't twist things to your viewpoint either.
He doesn't know squat, just copy and paste. He probably didn't even read the whole thing himself ;)
Yes I read it, checked it, and double checked it, verified and stamped as a HardTruth!!
And I absolutely know more truth's than you ignorant christians!!
:teeeehee:
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Uhh..NO you don't. And you absolutely DO not check - if you did you would know better.
Ahh...
HT, the king of cut and paste.
Mostly a Lie:
>>The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods.<<
There is a emall amount of truth to what is said but as usual in Hard Truth's posts, he also tells you half truths. Which is of course a nice way of saying 'lie'.
H430
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:
H433
'ĕlôahh 'ĕlôahh
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God
H410
'êl
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty: - God
So what it really means is GOD (the ONE diety) and His magistrates (or angels.
NOT gods as HT would have you believe.
And this is how Hard Truth operates - half truths and lies.
Then your bible is in error?
Let US (plural) make man in OUR (plural) image (Gen 1: 26)
Let US (plural) go down, and there confound their language (Gen 11:7)
God standeth in the CONGREGATION (plural, the other Elohim) of the mighty (plural); he judgeth among the gods. (Plural) (Psalms 82:1)
Who were the 1/3 that rebelled grasshopper, it wasn't the angels (messengers)?
The Babylonian Talmudic texts list the names of the 200 that fell, lets see 1/3 = 200, that would make it originally 600 Elohim!!
These 200 took wives....
The benei Elohim saw the daughters of Adam, that they were fit extensions. And they took wives for themselves from all those that they chose...
The Nephelim were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when the benei Elohim came in to the daughters of Adam, and they bore to them—they were Powerful Ones which existed from ancient times, the men of name. (Gen. 6:2,4) Interlinear Hebrew Bible
I am not wrong!!
___________
If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
You are dreaming sir. You think because 200 were listed that there are only 600 of them?
Matthew 26:53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? This is Jesus' words. Now lets look at the definition of a legion.
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
As you can see Mutiply 5000+/- x 12 and you clearly will not come up with 600.
You claim anyone who disagrees with you does not know the bible. I submit this as clear evidence you do not know what your talking about sir.
-------------------------> Shall we all conclude that when HardTruth ignores something showing his error, it will be as close as we will ever get to you admitting your wrong? |
| Perhaps
User ID: 796320
11/3/2009 9:13 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
The following makes as much sense as anything HardTruth tries to force upon us. Yes, I mean force. One has simply to look at the number of post/attempts to "save" the poor deluded christians. Frankly, He is just like a christian, on a mission to convert all to his religion or way of thinking. IRONIC is it not??? 
Who was God speaking to in Genesis 1:26-27? Was He speaking to angels or other heavenly beings? Was He speaking to Himself? Why is the plural employed in this passage? First, let's read the passage:
GEN 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
GEN 1:27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Now, to whom is God speaking? Some have said that He is speaking to angels or some other heavenly beings in His presence. The problem here is, why does He say that He would create man in "our" image? Then, in verse 27, it says that we are created in God's image.
We are unique because, unlike all of God's creation, we have been made in His image, not the image of angels, animals or any other beings. We have a kinship directly related to God. We possess spiritual characteristics that allow us to be aware of ourselves, make conscious decisions and have dominion over the animals and earth. No, God was not speaking to angels or any other created heavenly beings.
Was God speaking to Himself? If He was, then why did the writer use the plural instead of the singular? Certainly, in most every instance where one is talking to himself, there is no need for the plural.
The obvious, but to some degree, hard to grasp answer is, God is speaking to others who possess the qualities of God. That is, He is speaking to Jesus and the Holy Spirit. There are three that have the attributes of Deity, possess the Divine Nature. They agree as one in purpose and action, but they are three distinct beings who play different roles in the Divine work of creation and salvation. Some other passages in Genesis help us understand that there is more than one being who is God.
GEN 3:22 ¶ Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"--
GEN 3:23 therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.
GEN 3:24 So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim, and the flaming sword which turned every direction, to guard the way to the tree of life.
GEN 11:6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them.
GEN 11:7 "Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."
GEN 11:8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city.
Then, in the New Testament, the picture becomes even clearer as all three are clearly identified in various passages. Just as man and woman are two distinct beings who possesses the image of God, so there are three distinct beings that possess the Divine qualities that make them God.
MAT 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
MAT 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
MAT 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. "
JOH 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. |
| HardTruth
User ID: 809517
11/3/2009 9:15 PM
| | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Yeah, it does suck.
But just because you do know some of these words, doesn't mean you don't twist things to your viewpoint either.
He doesn't know squat, just copy and paste. He probably didn't even read the whole thing himself ;)
Yes I read it, checked it, and double checked it, verified and stamped as a HardTruth!!
And I absolutely know more truth's than you ignorant christians!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Uhh..NO you don't. And you absolutely DO not check - if you did you would know better.
Ahh...
HT, the king of cut and paste.
Mostly a Lie:
>>The Hebrew word for God is el; the plural is elohim, gods.<<
There is a emall amount of truth to what is said but as usual in Hard Truth's posts, he also tells you half truths. Which is of course a nice way of saying 'lie'.
H430
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative:
H433
'ĕlôahh 'ĕlôahh
el-o'-ah, el-o'-ah
(The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God
H410
'êl
ale
Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty: - God
So what it really means is GOD (the ONE diety) and His magistrates (or angels.
NOT gods as HT would have you believe.
And this is how Hard Truth operates - half truths and lies.
Then your bible is in error?
Let US (plural) make man in OUR (plural) image (Gen 1: 26)
Let US (plural) go down, and there confound their language (Gen 11:7)
God standeth in the CONGREGATION (plural, the other Elohim) of the mighty (plural); he judgeth among the gods. (Plural) (Psalms 82:1)
Who were the 1/3 that rebelled grasshopper, it wasn't the angels (messengers)?
The Babylonian Talmudic texts list the names of the 200 that fell, lets see 1/3 = 200, that would make it originally 600 Elohim!!
These 200 took wives....
The benei Elohim saw the daughters of Adam, that they were fit extensions. And they took wives for themselves from all those that they chose...
The Nephelim were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when the benei Elohim came in to the daughters of Adam, and they bore to them—they were Powerful Ones which existed from ancient times, the men of name. (Gen. 6:2,4) Interlinear Hebrew Bible
I am not wrong!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
You are dreaming sir. You think because 200 were listed that there are only 600 of them?
Matthew 26:53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? This is Jesus' words. Now lets look at the definition of a legion.
[ link to en.wikipedia.org]
As you can see Mutiply 5000+/- x 12 and you clearly will not come up with 600.
You claim anyone who disagrees with you does not know the bible. I submit this as clear evidence you do not know what your talking about sir.
-------------------------> Shall we all conclude that when HardTruth ignores something showing his error, it will be as close as we will ever get to you admitting your wrong?
Every bit of this debate is based on ancient text translated by the so called professionals from both sides of the fence!!
When you debate from a one sided point of view, you will lose every time!!
You have to combine ALL the known texts for the proper perspective, and even then, yes, you can still make mistakes!!
I am not beyond making mistakes and neither is the christian religion!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! |
| HardTruth
User ID: 809517
11/3/2009 9:17 PM
| | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
The following makes as much sense as anything HardTruth tries to force upon us. Yes, I mean force. One has simply to look at the number of post/attempts to "save" the poor deluded christians. Frankly, He is just like a christian, on a mission to convert all to his religion or way of thinking. IRONIC is it not???
Who was God speaking to in Genesis 1:26-27? Was He speaking to angels or other heavenly beings? Was He speaking to Himself? Why is the plural employed in this passage? First, let's read the passage:
GEN 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
GEN 1:27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Now, to whom is God speaking? Some have said that He is speaking to angels or some other heavenly beings in His presence. The problem here is, why does He say that He would create man in "our" image? Then, in verse 27, it says that we are created in God's image.
We are unique because, unlike all of God's creation, we have been made in His image, not the image of angels, animals or any other beings. We have a kinship directly related to God. We possess spiritual characteristics that allow us to be aware of ourselves, make conscious decisions and have dominion over the animals and earth. No, God was not speaking to angels or any other created heavenly beings.
Was God speaking to Himself? If He was, then why did the writer use the plural instead of the singular? Certainly, in most every instance where one is talking to himself, there is no need for the plural.
The obvious, but to some degree, hard to grasp answer is, God is speaking to others who possess the qualities of God. That is, He is speaking to Jesus and the Holy Spirit. There are three that have the attributes of Deity, possess the Divine Nature. They agree as one in purpose and action, but they are three distinct beings who play different roles in the Divine work of creation and salvation. Some other passages in Genesis help us understand that there is more than one being who is God.
GEN 3:22 ¶ Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"--
GEN 3:23 therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.
GEN 3:24 So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim, and the flaming sword which turned every direction, to guard the way to the tree of life.
GEN 11:6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them.
GEN 11:7 "Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."
GEN 11:8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city.
Then, in the New Testament, the picture becomes even clearer as all three are clearly identified in various passages. Just as man and woman are two distinct beings who possesses the image of God, so there are three distinct beings that possess the Divine qualities that make them God.
MAT 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
MAT 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
MAT 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. "
JOH 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
And there you go, a one sided christian point of view!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Last Edited by HardTruth on 11/3/2009 at 9:37 PM |
| Perhaps
User ID: 796320
11/3/2009 11:07 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
The following makes as much sense as anything HardTruth tries to force upon us. Yes, I mean force. One has simply to look at the number of post/attempts to "save" the poor deluded christians. Frankly, He is just like a christian, on a mission to convert all to his religion or way of thinking. IRONIC is it not???
Who was God speaking to in Genesis 1:26-27? Was He speaking to angels or other heavenly beings? Was He speaking to Himself? Why is the plural employed in this passage? First, let's read the passage:
GEN 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
GEN 1:27 And God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Now, to whom is God speaking? Some have said that He is speaking to angels or some other heavenly beings in His presence. The problem here is, why does He say that He would create man in "our" image? Then, in verse 27, it says that we are created in God's image.
We are unique because, unlike all of God's creation, we have been made in His image, not the image of angels, animals or any other beings. We have a kinship directly related to God. We possess spiritual characteristics that allow us to be aware of ourselves, make conscious decisions and have dominion over the animals and earth. No, God was not speaking to angels or any other created heavenly beings.
Was God speaking to Himself? If He was, then why did the writer use the plural instead of the singular? Certainly, in most every instance where one is talking to himself, there is no need for the plural.
The obvious, but to some degree, hard to grasp answer is, God is speaking to others who possess the qualities of God. That is, He is speaking to Jesus and the Holy Spirit. There are three that have the attributes of Deity, possess the Divine Nature. They agree as one in purpose and action, but they are three distinct beings who play different roles in the Divine work of creation and salvation. Some other passages in Genesis help us understand that there is more than one being who is God.
GEN 3:22 ¶ Then the Lord God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, lest he stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"--
GEN 3:23 therefore the Lord God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken.
GEN 3:24 So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim, and the flaming sword which turned every direction, to guard the way to the tree of life.
GEN 11:6 And the Lord said, "Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them.
GEN 11:7 "Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."
GEN 11:8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of the whole earth; and they stopped building the city.
Then, in the New Testament, the picture becomes even clearer as all three are clearly identified in various passages. Just as man and woman are two distinct beings who possesses the image of God, so there are three distinct beings that possess the Divine qualities that make them God.
MAT 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
MAT 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
MAT 28:20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. "
JOH 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
And there you go, a one sided christian point of view!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!!
Both sides are in error. I said it makes as much sense as what you say, and there you go again. Your are as one sided or more, sir. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 809751
11/3/2009 11:55 PM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
hardtruth, why are you such a scoffer? |
| end times scoffers definition
User ID: 809751
11/4/2009 12:03 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
To mock at or treat with derision.
To show or express derision or scorn.
An expression of derision or scorn. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 414355
11/4/2009 12:26 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
The obvious, but to some degree, hard to grasp answer is, God is speaking to others who possess the qualities of God. That is, He is speaking to Jesus and the Holy Spirit. There are three that have the attributes of Deity, possess the Divine Nature. They agree as one in purpose and action, but they are three distinct beings who play different roles in the Divine work of creation and salvation. Some other passages in Genesis help us understand that there is more than one being who is God. Quoting: Perhaps 796320
Thank you..I am surprised that it took this long for someone to point out the obvious. I was going to do it earlier, but you have done it with supporting scripture..good job. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 414355
11/4/2009 1:45 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
JOH 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
And there you go, a one sided christian point of view!!
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If it expects, or demands worship, it is not divine!! Quoting: HardTruth
I'm familiar with the "round towers of Ireland" views and it's interesting but evidence of physical things is subject to "misinterpretation". "Sacred texts" can be the distant echoes of truth..twisted to some agenda and "we weren't there".
Despite the paranoid aspirations of the supposed "chosen people", the true spiritually transformed people of God will have none of it..as our Lord did not. None of the divide and conquer Judaic/Babylonian sorcery.
Give me a minute..
The Bible is the spiritual book that underlies a literal rendering. It is a spiritual book written by a Spirit God and can only be wholly understood by those who are sealed with the mind of Christ..
If I say "the fig that fails to ripen shall surely fall in the winter winds of tribulation", I mean "in the last days, those who have not matured, learning to discern between good and evil, will be deceived. When tribulation comes, they fall away from Jesus..as a hard fig breaks away from a branch in the winter wind.
In like manner,Naomi, Orphah, and Ruth is the same as sand, sea, and stars is the same as Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles is the same as outer court, inner court, and Holy of Holies and so on.
All of scripture literally happened, but it's deeper truth is cloaked in symbolic representations. This is a primary Pauline teaching. If I were to see compromise in the understanding you have absorbed, I might say, as Paul did, "cast out the bondwoman"..would you have ears to hear? Only you can answer this question.
Some say you are helping the enemy..
Jesus rebuked Satan who was speaking through Peter. Later, you will recall, He told him to "feed My sheep". Your struggle against fallen Christianity seems just to me...but you're drinking of "the waters of Babylon". You absorb poisonous teachings you think are the cure. That's the swine flu vaccination setup in the spiritual world.
God Himself feeds the real sheep the quickened Word. The Holy Spirit opens it to their understanding and verifies it with the written Word of God. That's how "living stones" are shaped and fitted together to be a living temple for a risen God.
Tammuz, Osiris or any such savior are simply echoes and shadows of a singular person and event. Jesus didn't say He had brought the truth..He said "I am the truth". So forget fighting with Churchianity and just believe that. Organized Christianity will still despise you, but you will find eternal life. |
| MagiChristmas
Cher Ami -- When did Pigeons not= Doves?
User ID: 554973
11/4/2009 3:06 AM
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You want to know why the op is so desperate to draw argument?
Because scripture is being fulfilled in an ongoing basis, more and more each day, as our Lord, God, Creator of this Universe and all its laws of science and nature, and Savior draws closer. And he, the op is afraid, and seeks comfort in confusing and undermining as many as he can, before he loses out to a major event from scripture coming to pass on a global before your eyes context, in other words , the op is a useful tool of the devil/s and demons.
Frankly, there are numerous occasions, in which HardTruth is show to be in error. Most of the time He ignores the post that he cannot refute or are to difficult to answer. Something He enjoys pointing out about those who disagree with him. Quoting: Perhaps 796320
Just as often HT states truth many Christians have no answer for
HardTruth has seen through the deception again. 
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Tis True, Tis True, Second Degree Doom Doth Ensue precisely as prescribed several months prior.
Discern the TRUTH of the TimeTable of Doom described in the aforementioned links. The TToD is Based on April 6th aka The MOST Significant day - 4.6 magnitude precursor earthquake struck Italy on April 6th shortly after the Prophet spoke. Then the major earthquake event occurred shortly after general conference adjourned. Ref=lds.org
The swine flu epidemic also emerged on April 6th in Mexico.
The deception continues to crumble.
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| rb
User ID: 810011
11/4/2009 3:33 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
I finally quit judging the Bible and now I allow it to judge me :-)
love rb |
| rb
User ID: 810039
11/4/2009 5:09 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Christians are those who believe in a one god (OT god), jesus the son of this OT god, who came in the flesh, crucified on the cross to save humankind from the so called fall in Eden!! Quoting: HardTruth
you left out the part that Jesus is alive
He rose from the dead
this is why people fail with Christianity -- they don't acknowledge the Living Christ -- they may agree Jesus died 2000 years ago but until they know He is alive today -- and we are alive with Him and in Him and because of Him, there is no victory
we have victory in the Risen Savior -- His death on the cross provided the propitiation through His Blood -- but the fact He rose from the grave completes the good news and when we believe He died AND rose from the grave we are eternal with Him
love peace and joy
rb |
| Goddrunk
User ID: 808900
11/4/2009 5:18 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
Christians are those who believe in a one god (OT god), jesus the son of this OT god, who came in the flesh, crucified on the cross to save humankind from the so called fall in Eden!!
you left out the part that Jesus is alive
He rose from the dead
this is why people fail with Christianity -- they don't acknowledge the Living Christ -- they may agree Jesus died 2000 years ago but until they know He is alive today -- and we are alive with Him and in Him and because of Him, there is no victory
we have victory in the Risen Savior -- His death on the cross provided the propitiation through His Blood -- but the fact He rose from the grave completes the good news and when we believe He died AND rose from the grave we are eternal with Him
love peace and joy
rb Quoting: rb 810039
God bless :)
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| 9teen.47™
Time is short.
User ID: 810047
11/4/2009 6:59 AM
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you left out the part that Jesus is alive
He rose from the dead
this is why people fail with Christianity -- they don't acknowledge the Living Christ -- they may agree Jesus died 2000 years ago but until they know He is alive today -- and we are alive with Him and in Him and because of Him, there is no victory Quoting: rb 810039
 Yes, thats where scoffers like Half Truth fall down. Even little children know that Jesus Christ is alive. BEST FRIEND...
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Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 800817
11/4/2009 8:15 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
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You are as pathetic little man ht.
... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754324
Projection. |
| Little Star
User ID: 687974
11/4/2009 9:46 AM | | Re: Fraud in the Bible or, It Sucks That You Don't Know Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic! | Quote |
I am not too sure how to present this information so everyone can understand.
Messenger is a word that can mean angel, or deputy,priest or teacher, ambassador, and even a king.
In the case of Malachi as Hardtruth is presenting the info is correct that Malachi can mean "angel". But in the case of Malachi the man, he is not an angel but a messenger or ambassador, priest or teacher.
There is a huge difference when calling someone a angel verse's messenger.
In Heb. "malak" means angel. If we were to see the word and hear the sound of it it would be spelled "mal-ak".
If we were to see the the same "malak" it in another scripture it is based on the words that are being presented in the verse. So in the case of Malachi the word "malak" denotes priest or teacher, or an ambassador, not an angel. The word malak would be like this " mal-awk" in the sound and reference. The "w" comes into play.
This is why some scholars struggle with the simplest of words and if they would get a handle on the "article" of each verse, knowing the object and subject there would be less mis-understandings.
So Hardtruth is right, and yet is incorrect.
In the Strongs you can look up Malachi yourself and see the difference between Malachi the prophet and messenger. You can find it in the Hebrew translation (pg. 66) under 4401 and it explains that in the case of Malachi's name it means messenger, or message (singular) which it defines in Malachi's name definition as "prophet", not an angel.
The prime root of 4401 comes from 4397 which can mean many things, and that is where Hardtruth presents the meaning of Malachi as an angel or messenger. But the difference is in the "w", the sound of the name verse's the sound of angel or messenger. It would be like English language of "pin, pen" and etc.
So we could say Malachi is "malakuth" meaning simply a message, not an angel.
In the book of Malachi, the name does mean "my messenger", but not angel. It is in reference to the five messengers in the book. 1) Malachi himself verse's 1:1; 2 the true "priest" referring to verse 2:7,( which defines that he is not an angel, but a priest with a message) 3) John the Baptist verse 3:1 denoting the future from the time frame of which Malachi spoke which is John the Baptist (Mat. 3:3, 11:10, Mark 1,2,3 and etc.
To continue: 4)the Messiah Himself (message of Christ), 5) Elijah referring to verse 4:5. This is the message of the messenger Malachi. He was a priest, not an angel. And yes, messenger can mean "angel". So Malachi was a sent one,priest with a message from God as a man, not coming from Heaven, but walking in the flesh, not in the body of a angelic messenger.
So, Hardtruth is correct in saying Malachi can mean angel, but in the context of the book of Malachi, Gods messenger, Malachi is not an angel.
I hope this helps everyone in their studies.
The 'w' is the key in the sound and the definition. Same as when people try to say Gods name is Yaweh, when it is YHVH, not YHWH. Many people struggle with the v and the w in the manuscripts.
Blessings to all. |
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