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Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,)
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 666102
11/2/2009 1:07 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
Imagine what this country would look like without the stimulus and bailouts.
Bush and his cronies would be in jail or on the most wanted list next to bin laden, that much I can tell you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 757124
people like this want to divert attention away from the current administration and onto Bush. Don't fall for it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 681119
11/2/2009 1:10 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
The above letter by Ron Paul.
Same type of thing happened to Japan. Their bubble in stocks and housing busted around 1990.....and they are still in recession....even with interest rates near Zero.
The World Economic System from 1949 until 1973 required nations to pay for imports with Gold. Nixon stopped it as too much gold was leaving the country.
However, if it was instead kept in place, we would have been forced to cut back on imports from China.....and also would have ended foreign wars, and probably a lot of social programs and other things not really required.
Instead the dollar was adopted as the new world currency rather than gold.....and we could therefore live beyond our means. We have been able to sell treasury securities and also the surplus countries like China have had to funnel the dollars back into the USA to avoid increasing the value of it's own currency through a conversion. This would have made them less competitive.
The Chinese funelled all those dollars back into US stocks, corporate bonds, treasuries, etc.....and other surplus countries have done this as well. This helped to create easy money here, bubbles, etc. They are now however becoming less comfortable with dollar denominated investments.
Eventually bubbles break and there is much damage left behind. Generally this involves over-capacity.....with too many homes having been built, too many stores, too many factories, etc. New construction and investment dies out. Likewise the banks also become very conservative, increase requirements for loans, and do not want to take on too much risk.
Even with near Zero Interest Rates in Japan.....people do not want to borrow because their is still too much over capacity and not much potential.....and banks do not want to lend. They have been in recession for 20 years and the banks continue in trouble....and there is no end in sight. They can no longer stimulate be lowering rates.....and about the only thing left is just to give away large amounts of money to the people (highly inflationary).
The world money supply has exploded since being on the dollar standard.......and created many booms and busts around the world......as the flow of it can be easily manipulated by the bankers. Markets can no longer quickly self-correct as when tied to gold. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 666102
11/2/2009 1:13 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
It's going to be worse for us, cause our money is the worlds reserve currency. And they are gettin ready to bail. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806857
11/2/2009 1:13 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
Imagine what this country would look like without the stimulus and bailouts.
Bush and his cronies would be in jail or on the most wanted list next to bin laden, that much I can tell you.
people like this want to divert attention away from the current administration and onto Bush. Don't fall for it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 666102
Exactly.
Bush sucked but he only gave away 2-4 TRILLION.
Obama gave away 23 TRILLION!
Obama gave away 23 TRILLION!
Obama gave away 23 TRILLION!
I will say it again for the assholes that are trying to deflect peoples attention.
Obama gave away 23 TRILLION!
Obama gave away 23 TRILLION!
Obama gave away 23 TRILLION! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 779693
11/2/2009 1:20 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
Imagine what this country would look like without the stimulus and bailouts.
Bush and his cronies would be in jail or on the most wanted list next to bin laden, that much I can tell you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 757124
+1 |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 791488
11/2/2009 1:23 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
Is it true? Are there really rumors that Ron Paul is dead? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 807062
No!
I loved that band! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 703397
11/2/2009 1:27 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
Imagine what this country would look like without the stimulus and bailouts.
Bush and his cronies would be in jail or on the most wanted list next to bin laden, that much I can tell you.
people like this want to divert attention away from the current administration and onto Bush. Don't fall for it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 666102
yeah yeah...I'm pretty sure Bush is responsible for Pearl Harbor and the war of 1812. |
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Lord Nodrog
User ID: 806935
11/2/2009 1:35 AM
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I am amazed that a post from an AC can be pinned on top of everything.
Amazed. Especialy from a site that is non-biased, and non-biased...................hmmmmmm. Maybe there is a motive within the madness.
I expect next that the replies to this reply will be to profess my ignorance and possibly even call me names. Most common names used my be: shrill, troll, or even anything in the realm of a general "dumbass".
This is expected. Afterall, It seems that the mentality of some forums have the same rules as 3rd grade name calling contests.
Bring it on. Prove my point. lest be banned....yet again. |
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Lord Nodrog
User ID: 806935
11/2/2009 1:38 AM
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I only wish for people to think. Think in more than the immediate. Your minds are elastic. They can be molded. And I don't agree with those that are molding them. You need to form your own opinions. Not be led to believe what someone wants you to think . That very ideal brought you to this place in the first place. Now...think. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 272605
11/2/2009 1:41 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
Imagine what this country would look like without the stimulus and bailouts.
Bush and his cronies would be in jail or on the most wanted list next to bin laden, that much I can tell you.
people like this want to divert attention away from the current administration and onto Bush. Don't fall for it.
Exactly.
Bush sucked but he only gave away 2-4 TRILLION.
Obama gave away 23 TRILLION!
Obama gave away 23 TRILLION!
Obama gave away 23 TRILLION!
I will say it again for the assholes that are trying to deflect peoples attention.
Obama gave away 23 TRILLION!
Obama gave away 23 TRILLION!
Obama gave away 23 TRILLION! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 806857
Thankyou! Bush is history. At some point the current administration has to accept ownership of the current situation. The ball is in Obamas court now. He wanted the job, so the mess now belongs to him. |
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^TrInItY^  
Forum Administrator
11/2/2009 1:42 AM
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I am amazed that a post from an AC can be pinned on top of everything.
Amazed. Especialy from a site that is non-biased, and non-biased...................hmmmmmm. Maybe there is a motive within the madness.
I expect next that the replies to this reply will be to profess my ignorance and possibly even call me names. Most common names used my be: shrill, troll, or even anything in the realm of a general "dumbass".
This is expected. Afterall, It seems that the mentality of some forums have the same rules as 3rd grade name calling contests.
Bring it on. Prove my point. lest be banned....yet again. Quoting: Lord Nodrog
dude it's SHILL not fucking shRill
get it right please
Few will listen,
Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.
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Lord Nodrog
User ID: 806935
11/2/2009 1:48 AM
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I'm not a Obama supporter. However, I was not a Bush supporter either.
I was for Ron Paul.
Still, 23 trillion. That is one hell of a number. And with numbers that large, I need some proof. I save me the hours of research, can you tell me where you are getting 23 trillion from? Forums move faster than I can do subjective research.
Don't misunderstand me. I'm not an Obama lover, but I'm no Bush lover either. I think the last election was the perfect example of a lose-lose situation for the american people.
Still, the figure of 23 trillion is way and far beyond any number I've run across.
Perhaps I've overlooked something. Its possible, I'm not a know-it-all. A little clarification would be enlightening to me and support your augument.
Please, more information. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808173
11/2/2009 1:51 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
Ron Paul is the greatest lunatic we have ever had in elective office in American history. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 752389
It's a sad sad state of affairs, when pure common sense is labeled "lunacy". |
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Lord Nodrog
User ID: 806935
11/2/2009 1:51 AM
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My apologies Trinity. I'm often bad with typo's . It good to see you are still active with this forum. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 719196
11/2/2009 2:01 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 723885
11/2/2009 2:07 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
Imagine what this country would look like without the stimulus and bailouts.
Bush and his cronies would be in jail or on the most wanted list next to bin laden, that much I can tell you.
+1 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 779693
+10 |
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Lord Nodrog
User ID: 806935
11/2/2009 2:07 AM
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I don't want to talk about Bush. That is a out of date subject that will yeild nothing new. However, if anyone is curious to why I don't care for Obama, I'll state those relevent facts right away.
It's called Cap and Trade. Cap and Trade will ruin most of all of this countries rural communities. I'm already fighting madly against a man called "Pappy" on Topics. He is using words to decribe people out of the south-easten united states that I claim is no different than calling an African-American a N----. This is a lobbiest working for Obama. I see families, good people, moving into their parents homes with their families, because Obama's fight against coal.
This is insanity. Obama is insanity. You cannot take away jobs from hundreds of thousands of families and expect the future alternative to show up out of thin air and replace those jobs. That is what Obama is thinking will happen.
No, I see families losing homes, going hungry and a entire region of the US, getting the shaft. Worse is yet to come. We are not using our natural resources to make work for our people. We are purposely letting those go. In the meantime...China is makeing a killing in the economic market because we have restricted ourselves, with taxes and penalties ( CAP and TRADE ) to the point of not ever being able to be profitable.
I've augued that we can replace coal if we first develope the replacement....That makes sense. Create first the replacement job, then the worker has a place to go too. Obama believes otherwise, he believes you should destroy all work and the replacement will follow.....
Welcome to reality.....Families lose their homes, no replacement jobs in sight, poverty and crime and goverment handouts grow to exponential numbers....
Obama..........Thats what I think about that.
banned yet? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806973
11/2/2009 2:09 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
I'm not a Obama supporter. However, I was not a Bush supporter either.
I was for Ron Paul.
Still, 23 trillion. That is one hell of a number. And with numbers that large, I need some proof. I save me the hours of research, can you tell me where you are getting 23 trillion from? Forums move faster than I can do subjective research.
Don't misunderstand me. I'm not an Obama lover, but I'm no Bush lover either. I think the last election was the perfect example of a lose-lose situation for the american people.
Still, the figure of 23 trillion is way and far beyond any number I've run across.
Perhaps I've overlooked something. Its possible, I'm not a know-it-all. A little clarification would be enlightening to me and support your augument.
Please, more information. Quoting: Lord Nodrog
More on the 23.7 Trillion including a link to the report:
[link to coloyan.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 806973
11/2/2009 2:10 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
Ron Paul is probably the only elected official holding office today with a friggin clue. |
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Lord Nodrog
User ID: 806935
11/2/2009 2:18 AM
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I agree. Ron Paul is one of the very few that know the real deal.
The way he was treated in his presidential debates is becoming a movement amoung many people. He was treated so obviously unfairly that it is bringing only more attention to him.
Ron Paul may never get the power to make any real change, however, his effort will make its own change. Sometimes the way that you fail is evidence enough to work against the system that surpresses you. Ron Paul didn't win the election. But Ron Paul has more attention now than he ever had before. |
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Lord Nodrog
User ID: 806935
11/2/2009 2:28 AM
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I read the information about the 23 trillion.
Its distubing. But also not surprising.
We are being raped right now. Not just us. But our children and our grandchildren. The people in power now must have a plan for world slavery. That is the only way that I can imagine that our future children would be willing to go along with this muck. I'll be very honest. If I was told at the age of 16 or so that I am obligated for paying a debt that occured before I was born, I would say..FU!!!!!I'm not paying you shit!!!!
And that is what will happen.
And anyone that tries to enforce that debt on these kids, and unborn kids....you deserve hell. Its not fair. Its not right. You fk'ed up, not your kids. Don't ask them to pay for your FU.
Worse case is that there will be war over this. I expect war.
Such a waist. Too bad. You greedy bastards. FU. Thats my last line for tonight. Goodbye. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 758380
11/2/2009 2:33 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
Imagine what this country would look like without the stimulus and bailouts.
Bush and his cronies would be in jail or on the most wanted list next to bin laden, that much I can tell you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 757124
How is it that anyone as stupid as you are can even operate a computer? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 661844
11/2/2009 2:37 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
Paul 2012. Quoting: lolita
it's over he's one of them, he says everything you want to hear and delays you taking any action whilst they continue with the agenda.
Keep waiting for Ron to save you in 2012 and in the election there after...
That's the plan. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 786426
11/2/2009 2:39 AM | |
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 758380
11/2/2009 2:43 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
Paul 2012.
it's over he's one of them, he says everything you want to hear and delays you taking any action whilst they continue with the agenda.
Keep waiting for Ron to save you in 2012 and in the election there after...
That's the plan. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 661844
erm, no, that's not "the plan". |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 805514
11/2/2009 3:29 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
Libertarianism sucks, but what Ron Paul said is the truth. It's a simple mathematical concept : When you owe more than you have, then you are effectively insolvent. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 566027
11/2/2009 3:31 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
Libertarianism sucks, but what Ron Paul said is the truth. It's a simple mathematical concept : When you owe more than you have, then you are effectively insolvent. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 805514
Try to get simple truths out of politicians and greedy bankers is like. . .
<<fill in the rest of the analogy here>>
Good job Dr. Paul. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 338377
11/2/2009 4:00 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
The "controllers" have planned this collapse.
They will continue to create more and more dollar credits out of thin air, thereby degrading the purchasing power of the $US dollar until the average American citizen is so impoverished he/she will have great difficulty just paying for food and rent.
Watch for the bailouts to proliferate and escalate.
Huge numbers of Alt-A mortgages and option ARMortgages will be resetting to higher interest rates over the next 18 months leading to defaults, foreclosures, and leveraged derivative contract implosion even more catastrophic to the financial system than the failure of the subprime mortgage sector.
Then the power brokers will call for TARP II, even more massive than TARP I.
This is another "controlled demolition".
All of this is designed to consolidate power and wealth in the hands of the elite, to the destruction of the average American citizen.By this methodology, the elite will prevent
the dumbed-down, asleep-at-the-switch American citizen from rising up to prevent the wholesale looting of their future,resulting in the enslavement of their children and grandchildren for generations to come!
Ron Paul sees what they are up to.
The foolish, lazy, apathetic "sheeple" do not.
In 2 more years....it's too late to act.By then, the elite will have seized control of all the banks, they will have concentrated the bulk of the wealth in their hands.They will also control your health care options, and then will be able to decide whether you live or you die.
UNLESS...Americans figure this out
and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! |
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Bluebird
User ID: 730536
11/2/2009 4:20 AM
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Imagine what this country would look like without the stimulus and bailouts.
Bush and his cronies would be in jail or on the most wanted list next to bin laden, that much I can tell you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 757124
I think you mean Clinton, Barney Franks and the ACORN thugs who demanded every body be given a mortgage whether or not they could afford one. Franks roomate was running FannieAme or FreddieMac, one or the other or oversight of both and that is what triggered the collapse.
But Bush wasted billions and Obama trillions.
The rubble we are now standing in belongs solely to Obama as it was his stimulus plan he had to have passed the minute he came into office that we will never be able to repay.
Where are the jobs he promised? The three million? |
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Sandpiper
User ID: 808502
11/2/2009 4:25 AM | | Re: Be Prepared for the Worst (Ron Paul,) | Quote |
Don't worry folks, all of this will soon be over. I do not believe that the U.S. will be here much longer. A banker friend of mine told me that we could see interest rates up to 32%. He didn't know how much longer he would even have a job. No one will be able to get a loan or survive. |
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