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The TRUTH about "cytokine storms"

 
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The "cytokine storm" disinfo is getting old. Telling peopel that if you have a "healthy immune system" you are at greater risk. Truly HEALTHY people do not get super sick or die from "cytokine storms", nor do they have a viral overload.

Vitamin D deficiency creates a physiological environment in which the virus can spread easily while inciting the "cytokine storm" response that leads to fatal respiratory infections. Other deficiencies contribute as well.

Nurient deficiency is the main reason for a cytokine storm in response to a virus like H1N1. A healthy immune system can still be part of a body that is out of balance, and those are the young people who eat junk food (all of them basically). Back in 1918 many of the soldiers were vaccinated, and the ones that weren't had nutrient deficiencies that made it perfect for cytokine storm. This is why the death toll was so high. This is why EUGENICS involves nutrient deficincies created by stripping and contaminating the food supply. It had already been long underway by that time (and so had the vaccine scam).

The VIRAL LOAD is what also contributes the problem and a truly healthy body doesn't allow the viral load to get that high. Truly healthy being definied as NOT nutrient deficient (and very few people whom you think look healthy really fall into this category in modern times).

Smart people who are concerned about their health can take anti viral substances to lower the viral load and stop the cytokine storm as well.

Oil of oregano, olive leaf extract, bovine colostrum (even the CDC admits this works), and you can list many others. The Vitamin D factor has already been established. Just try to find a non synthetic source like fish oil, sunlight, or reishi.

Dr. Gabriel Cousens states that cytokine storms are actually a result of an imbalance between TH-1 and TH-2, which are cells that attack pathogenic invaders. The TH-1 cells go after pathogens in the cells while the TH-2 cells attack pathogens in the blood system.

Zinc helps correct this TH-1 and TH-2 imbalance by re-establishing a hormonal balance, greatly reducing the potential of a cytokine storm. There is good evidence that zinc salts also dramatically potentiate the action of the human cytokine interferon alpha, a type of protein that inhibits viral replication. Thus the immune system is less challenged, less likely to be overwhelmed, and free to handle immediate and present dangers.

So again, if you understand what to take and how this flu really works, there is no way you could die. If you are even slightly zinc deficient and just boost your immunity (without lowering the viral load), you could have a cytokine storm. You might be an athlete but you will still possibly die (esp. if you're letting the idiots in the hospital with their subgrade foods and toxic EMFs and Tamiflu take care of you!).

And then the disinfo propaganda will say, "it kills the healthy". Well obviously that is FALSE.

They do this so they can sell their toxic vaccines, which DO create an environment for cytokine storms, sometimes even killing people right after they get them or damaging them for life.
When a person is vaccinated the ingredients not only deplete nutrients but can cause DNA damage that leads to illness later on.

So don't get vaccinated, get your vitamin D, zinc and antivirals (there are natural food sources all over the place), stay hydrated, and you have nothing to worry about with this pandemic.


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Many thanks, OP.

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What Dr. Cousens recommends is strengthening the immune system with vitamin C and D. Vitamin D storage is increased through skin exposure to outdoor sun and/or mercury free fish oils. Also, it's an excellent idea to ensure you are taking in plenty of zinc with adequate selenium (don't exceed 200 mcg) as most of the population suffers from a deficiency of this important mineral, which helps prevent cytokine storms.

Adding sub-lingual (for better absorption) B-12 is another valid protection against cytokine storms.

Getting enough sleep, as so many are sleep deprived, is high on the list of activities required for strong immune systems. Most importantly, having a good emotional attitude, which includes not stressing over pandemics and other issues, is essential to the immune system.


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Many thanks, OP.

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What Dr. Cousens recommends is strengthening the immune system with vitamin C and D. Vitamin D storage is increased through skin exposure to outdoor sun and/or mercury free fish oils. Also, it's an excellent idea to ensure you are taking in plenty of zinc with adequate selenium (don't exceed 200 mcg) as most of the population suffers from a deficiency of this important mineral, which helps prevent cytokine storms.

Adding sub-lingual (for better absorption) B-12 is another valid protection against cytokine storms.

Getting enough sleep, as so many are sleep deprived, is high on the list of activities required for strong immune systems. Most importantly, having a good emotional attitude, which includes not stressing over pandemics and other issues, is essential to the immune system.


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Thanks guys.

It would all be funny if the disinfo weren't so destructive.

What a novel idea....nutrition keeps the body WORKING and protected. How did anyone ever let a Dr. talk them out of that truth? burnit hf
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raw garlic cloves with uncooked olive oil with meals to lesson stomach upsets.. also a tablespoon of raw honey and tablespoon of apple cider venigar mixed to gether in a cup of very warm water and drank down .. do it three times a day ..when illness hits.. viral load in rhumatid arthritis patients dropped from 12 meaning high pain and disomfort to a 2 meaning no discomfort and tiny pain if any.. reason is this substance destroys the pee and poo toxins that the infections created as they continued to attack the patient. the pee and poo is the toxic part of the micro organism that added to all of the discomfort . it should work to nutralize the toxic waste build up in swine flu patients . google Drinking a tablesppoon of Apple cider Venigar and a tablespoon of Honey mixed up together in cup of warm water to relieve Rhumatiod arthritis pain. .. further more sipping 12 oz of cranberry juice with tablespponn of apple cider venigar will desolv mucus in the thraot of someone with a nasty cold or flu and protect the kidneys and bladder at the same time ..cause it slides micro organisns out fast, before they attach to kidney and bladder walls..swine flu attaches to kidneys and increases the illness levels .and can shut down the kidneys . drinking this stuff twice daily can aid removal of microbes faster .., less toxiins to accumlate on kidneys or bladder. dr recomend crannberry juice any way just add apple cider venigar to cut the mucus in the thraot. .......................................................plus doing a nasal wash with half applecider venigar and half water mixed together removes bacterial or fungus or virus infection causing sinus infection ... these things work . and they are cheap to buy ..onions help breathing during colds too . eat raw with samwich . infectious mucus is coughted up so then spit it out at once.
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I can't wait until they make "Cytokine Storms" into an IMAX movie.
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this explains why just by taking spirulina I am able to avoid getting all these bugs and it goes right through my family...
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The "cytokine storm" disinfo is getting old. Telling peopel that if you have a "healthy immune system" you are at greater risk. Truly HEALTHY people do not get super sick or die from "cytokine storms", nor do they have a viral overload.

Vitamin D deficiency creates a physiological environment in which the virus can spread easily while inciting the "cytokine storm" response that leads to fatal respiratory infections. Other deficiencies contribute as well.

Nurient deficiency is the main reason for a cytokine storm in response to a virus like H1N1. A healthy immune system can still be part of a body that is out of balance, and those are the young people who eat junk food (all of them basically). Back in 1918 many of the soldiers were vaccinated, and the ones that weren't had nutrient deficiencies that made it perfect for cytokine storm. This is why the death toll was so high. This is why EUGENICS involves nutrient deficincies created by stripping and contaminating the food supply. It had already been long underway by that time (and so had the vaccine scam).

The VIRAL LOAD is what also contributes the problem and a truly healthy body doesn't allow the viral load to get that high. Truly healthy being definied as NOT nutrient deficient (and very few people whom you think look healthy really fall into this category in modern times).

Smart people who are concerned about their health can take anti viral substances to lower the viral load and stop the cytokine storm as well.

Oil of oregano, olive leaf extract, bovine colostrum (even the CDC admits this works), and you can list many others. The Vitamin D factor has already been established. Just try to find a non synthetic source like fish oil, sunlight, or reishi.

Dr. Gabriel Cousens states that cytokine storms are actually a result of an imbalance between TH-1 and TH-2, which are cells that attack pathogenic invaders. The TH-1 cells go after pathogens in the cells while the TH-2 cells attack pathogens in the blood system.

Zinc helps correct this TH-1 and TH-2 imbalance by re-establishing a hormonal balance, greatly reducing the potential of a cytokine storm. There is good evidence that zinc salts also dramatically potentiate the action of the human cytokine interferon alpha, a type of protein that inhibits viral replication. Thus the immune system is less challenged, less likely to be overwhelmed, and free to handle immediate and present dangers.

So again, if you understand what to take and how this flu really works, there is no way you could die. If you are even slightly zinc deficient and just boost your immunity (without lowering the viral load), you could have a cytokine storm. You might be an athlete but you will still possibly die (esp. if you're letting the idiots in the hospital with their subgrade foods and toxic EMFs and Tamiflu take care of you!).

And then the disinfo propaganda will say, "it kills the healthy". Well obviously that is FALSE.

They do this so they can sell their toxic vaccines, which DO create an environment for cytokine storms, sometimes even killing people right after they get them or damaging them for life.
When a person is vaccinated the ingredients not only deplete nutrients but can cause DNA damage that leads to illness later on.

So don't get vaccinated, get your vitamin D, zinc and antivirals (there are natural food sources all over the place), stay hydrated, and you have nothing to worry about with this pandemic.


deadhorse abduct s226


Ref. article:
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Thanks for the info!

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very good info...

as is this link...

Thread: Real Cause of Influenza ( Flu )and How to Prevent it...
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this explains why just by taking spirulina I am able to avoid getting all these bugs and it goes right through my family...
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Thanks guys.

It would all be funny if the disinfo weren't so destructive.

What a novel idea....nutrition keeps the body WORKING and protected. How did anyone ever let a Dr. talk them out of that truth? burnit hf
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It's just basic human biology, biochem and physiology. The indoctrination into supporting chemical-based medicine is absolutely shocking to me. NO ONE...ok...VERY FEW chose to use their head, to apply critical thought.

In very simple terms:

The body requires certain nutrients and minerals to run. That's the fundamental reason we eat and drink. Full stop.

Deprive your body these requirements; the body will stop running but will go into fits, starts and sputters before it completely conks out from running out of fuel (nutrients). Full stop.

The body is designed to fight off foreign invaders both alive and dead - chemicals, toxins including heavy metals - but if the body doesn't have the nutrients for the fight (which is a synergistic balance), it fails.

Then add loads of sludge and sugar rather than clean fuel (nutrients), what will happen to the engine??

THEN Combine a mucked up fuel system with foreign invaders and you are setting yourself up for the engine completely shutting down.

I just don't understand the reasons people refuse to grasp this basic science about our bodies and instead hang so tightly to chemical-based medicine for answers and cures.

Actually, I have come to the point of having minimal tolerance for such people, which, unfortunately was recently displayed with a loved one situation.

Story sharing:

Person in early 50s dx with early onset Alzheimers.

Avid soft drink consumption for decades; mouth filled with amalgams; loaded with vaccines and annual flu shots.

One year of conventional treatment with rapid deterioration of condition.

Doctors refuse to even test this person for heavy metal load.

Family's response to heavy metal testing, detox and screening for nutrient deficiencies even as an adjunct to conventional treatment:

"If it had any merit, then it would be widely accepted and used in conventional medicine."

What's one to do??

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Thanks guys.

It would all be funny if the disinfo weren't so destructive.

What a novel idea....nutrition keeps the body WORKING and protected. How did anyone ever let a Dr. talk them out of that truth? burnit hf


It's just basic human biology, biochem and physiology. The indoctrination into supporting chemical-based medicine is absolutely shocking to me. NO ONE...ok...VERY FEW chose to use their head, to apply critical thought.

In very simple terms:

The body requires certain nutrients and minerals to run. That's the fundamental reason we eat and drink. Full stop.

Deprive your body these requirements; the body will stop running but will go into fits, starts and sputters before it completely conks out from running out of fuel (nutrients). Full stop.

The body is designed to fight off foreign invaders both alive and dead - chemicals, toxins including heavy metals - but if the body doesn't have the nutrients for the fight (which is a synergistic balance), it fails.

Then add loads of sludge and sugar rather than clean fuel (nutrients), what will happen to the engine??

THEN Combine a mucked up fuel system with foreign invaders and you are setting yourself up for the engine completely shutting down.

I just don't understand the reasons people refuse to grasp this basic science about our bodies and instead hang so tightly to chemical-based medicine for answers and cures.

Actually, I have come to the point of having minimal tolerance for such people, which, unfortunately was recently displayed with a loved one situation.

Story sharing:

Person in early 50s dx with early onset Alzheimers.

Avid soft drink consumption for decades; mouth filled with amalgams; loaded with vaccines and annual flu shots.

One year of conventional treatment with rapid deterioration of condition.

Doctors refuse to even test this person for heavy metal load.

Family's response to heavy metal testing, detox and screening for nutrient deficiencies even as an adjunct to conventional treatment:

"If it had any merit, then it would be widely accepted and used in conventional medicine."

What's one to do??

.
 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 809206



Guilt trip them right back...

"Whats the harm in doing a simple test ?"
"Do you want 'name of person' to get better ?"
"How does conventional medicine make new discoveries that become widely accepted ?"
"Go ahead prove me wrong get the tests done"

and the clincher....
"What happens WHEN I am right not IF ?"

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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If you feel you have done your best then you can't argue with free will
unless you get the tests done on the quite

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Guilt trip them right back...

"Whats the harm in doing a simple test ?"
"Do you want 'name of person' to get better ?"
"How does conventional medicine make new discoveries that become widely accepted ?"
"Go ahead prove me wrong get the tests done"

and the clincher....
"What happens WHEN I am right not IF ?"

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer
German philosopher (1788 - 1860)

If you feel you have done your best then you can't argue with free will
unless you get the tests done on the quite

all the best
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Well, of course, I didn't just drop the conversation. I was implying that they stood firmly on their statement and I lost the debate. No go.

'Kidnapping' one's wife for her benefit and life. Not beneath me at all. ;)

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Nicotine and a high-fat diet also suppress cytokine storms.

Both are anti-inflammatory
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I just don't understand the reasons people refuse to grasp this basic science about our bodies and instead hang so tightly to chemical-based medicine for answers and cures.

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Let me be CLEAR:

In all my years in this field I have NEVER been able to break this mind control.


I have met many many people who were looking for help and healing. And many of them could be helped with SANE remedies and wisdom (helped dramatically in some cases)...but these people were ALL open to natural meds beforehand.

The people I encounter who are under this "spell" you mention above NEVER BREAK IT. I've never seen ONE break free of medical mind control.




As a result...when I encounter someone who is under the medical mind control/ "better living through chemstry" I DO NOT HELP THEM.

I prefer to let them perish. I really do. Because NEVER are the "good" people. They are ALWAYS toxic in their personality and they ALWAYS want to impose this lifestyle on everyone.

Frankly, this is the litmus test for me. And I'm secretly OK with the fact these types are running out to get vaccinated. Good riddance. s226
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And then the disinfo propaganda will say, "it kills the healthy". Well obviously that is FALSE.

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Well put.

What will kill the young is

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With adequate selenium (don't exceed 200 mcg)
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Japanese fishermen eat about 800 mcg/day for forty years. IMO you can safely eat 800 mcg/day at least for weeks if deficient. About 90% of us are deficient.
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"If it had any merit, then it would be widely accepted and used in conventional medicine."
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Actually the inverse is true. "If the "treatment" is inefficacious and even better stealthily deadly it will be widely accepted and used in conventional ROCKEFELLER owned medicine."
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They do this so they can sell their toxic vaccines, which DO create an environment for cytokine storms, sometimes even killing people right after they get them or damaging them for life. When a person is vaccinated the ingredients not only deplete nutrients but can cause DNA damage that leads to illness later on.

applause

This is the elephant in the room most immunologists (sp?) do not touch. The vaccines affect your Th1/Th2 ratios.. making you more suspectable to chronic disease and also in the short term, acute disease.

I recently found out that I have HLA-DQ 2, 1, which is an autoimmune gene.. which means there is NO way in h-e-double hockey sticks that i will allow those imumune screwing up chemicals into my body.
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They do this so they can sell their toxic vaccines, which DO create an environment for cytokine storms, sometimes even killing people right after they get them or damaging them for life. When a person is vaccinated the ingredients not only deplete nutrients but can cause DNA damage that leads to illness later on.

applause

This is the elephant in the room most immunologists (sp?) do not touch. The vaccines affect your Th1/Th2 ratios.. making you more suspectable to chronic disease and also in the short term, acute disease.

I recently found out that I have HLA-DQ 2, 1, which is an autoimmune gene.. which means there is NO way in h-e-double hockey sticks that i will allow those imumune screwing up chemicals into my body.
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Honestly, HOW is this conspiracy continuing without the HELP of the medical industry.

I don't truly anyone who works for mainstream medicine. Again, they have to EARN my trust.
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