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Padre Pederasty
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11/3/2009 4:28 PM
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Italy school crucifixes 'barred'

Catholicism stopped being the state religion in Italy in 1984

The European Court of Human Rights has ruled against the use of crucifixes in classrooms in Italy.

It said the practice violated the right of parents to educate their children as they saw fit, and ran counter to the child's right to freedom of religion.

The case was brought by an Italian mother, Soile Lautsi, who wants to give her children a secular education.

But the ruling has sparked anger in the largely Catholic country, with one politician calling the move "shameful".

The Strasbourg court found that: "The compulsory display of a symbol of a given confession in premises used by the public authorities... restricted the right of parents to educate their children in conformity with their convictions."

It also restricted the "right of children to believe or not to believe", the seven judges ruling on the case said in a statement quoted by AFP news agency.

'Italian tradition'

Mrs Lautsi complained to the European court that her children had to attend a public school in northern Italy that had crucifixes in every room.

She was awarded 5,000 euros ($7,400; £4,500) in damages.

But many politicians in Italy have reacted angrily.

Education Minister Mariastella Gelmini said the crucifix was a "symbol of our tradition", and not a mark of Catholicism.

One government minister called the ruling "shameful", while another said that Europe was forgetting its Christian heritage.

The government says it will appeal against the decision. The Vatican says it will study the ruling before issuing a comment.

The BBC's Duncan Kennedy in Rome says that it is customary in Italy to see crucifixes in public buildings, including schools, despite the constitution saying that there should be a separation of church and state.

The law requiring crucifixes to be hung in schools dates back to the 1920s.

Although a revised accord between the Vatican and the Italian government ended Catholicism's position as the state religion in 1984, the crucifix law has never been repealed.

Some conservatives have already complained about schools dropping nativity plays to avoid upsetting Muslim children.

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

mathetes
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11/3/2009 4:35 PM

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So are prayer rugs and hijabs banned too. I'm a Christian that is 100% for separation of church and state...but lets be fair about and not favor anyone "The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory. John Quincy Adams

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11/3/2009 4:38 PM

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Thread title is misleading.

Crucifixes are banned from SCHOOLS in Italy.

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Anonymous Coward
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11/3/2009 4:42 PM

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The school should refuse to pay the money. How the hell is a court in Germany ruling on a case in Italy? Rise up people! This is just wrong!

emerald_glow
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11/3/2009 4:45 PM

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Just about time... Btw Europe has more ancient traditions predating Christianity Last Edited by emerald_glow on 11/3/2009 at 4:47 PM

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11/3/2009 4:57 PM

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