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IMPORTANT:Spanish Doctor Reveals Information About Swine Flu!

 
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The initial sequence of events seem to be mixed up, as far as the swine flu goes (she said the first cases appeared in USA, but many should still recall the big fuss over mexico and people traveling from there - i do, i had a co-worker there at the time it happened - before the swine flu appeared in usa)

Otherwise pretty good discourse of information.. Although the fact that she is supposed to have been a doctor at some point and that she is well spoken isn't enough to make me take her at her word, so to speak. There are plenty of "specialists" that go on about stuff that are really not very knowledgeable, in the world today, as we all know around here, so keep your skeptic hats on, etc.

As for if she has a motive other than a need to help the population at large.. none of us here knows. After all her message is pretty anti-establishment.. So the statements in peoples posts saying she has no ulterior motives is no better than people posting about how they believe everything the WHO tells them.

Always question everything, and decide for yourself after finding out the facts for yourself, not because some talking head on the tv (or a video on the net for instance) says to decide such and such way.
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Remember, just because you hear some different news that contradicts your MSM, dont automatically assume it is wrong...

In Mexico we heard the first cases were in San Diego and Texas, somewhere. I thought the authorities were just protecting tourism and didnt want it to labeled "the Mexican flu",,, so it is interesting to hear another confirmation by this Spanish nun on this less known alternative origin...
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Here's a transcript of the first three videos: if anyone feels like making it more readable, feel free, I just think it's important to get this out there. Every word she says is true.

Transcript (Part 1):
Bell tolling for the Swine Flu
Interview with Teresa Forcades
Monastery of Saint Benet
Montserrat- Barcelona
9/23/09
TC: Teresa Forcades has corrected on the subtitles some of the figures and data quoted in this interview.

My name is Teresa Forcades i Vila. I am a Benedictine nun at the Montserrat monastery. Before joining the monastery I practiced medicine for several years.

I'm a physician specializing in internal medicine and I have a phD in Public Health at Barcelona's University. I carried out the specialization in the USA, at the State University of NY.

What we call swine flu (A), it's also called, mainly in Catalonia, "the new flu" this term (the new flu) may lead some people to believe that the "A" type flu virus is a new virus.

Well, this isn't a new type of virus. "A" type viruses are part of the yearly common flu... the seasonal flu.

Regarding flu viruses we have, maybe everyone's aware of this, but I always start with the basics, we have A, B, and C type viruses.

These are the known flu viruses affecting humans. Because the "C" virus only normally affects a smaller proportion of the population, it's not used for the manufacturing of the yearly vaccines.

Therefore every year seasonal flu vaccine is a mixture of "A" and "B" type virus.

Therefore the so-called "new flu," or swine flu, is not new because of being an "A" type.

Then some could argue that it's new because of the antigens of the A-H1N1 virus, the hemagglutinin (H) and the neuraminidase (N).

These are surface proteins that could appear to give it the novelty nature. Well, this isn't the case.

It must be said, these proteins are not providing a novelty nature to this virus.


Because this same group, A-H1N1, was the same flu virus group that in 1918 caused the terrible pandemic that killed more than 20 million people worldwide.

It was this same type of virus, and it existed amongst the population until around the mid 50s.

In 1957 it seems to disappear from what is known as seasonal flu viruses.

It disappears and reappears in the year 1977.

This can be looked up by any physician or anyone, in the New England Journal of Medicine, where last month, an article was published about the history of flu viruses, and I quote the New England Journal of Medicine as it's the most well known and respected medical journal.

The article confirms as fact that this virus reappeared (the A-H1N1 virus) in 1977 because it had been resynthesized in a lab.


Therefore it came from a lab.

And I say resynthesized but it seems that what happened was that they went to exhume the body of an Inuit, and Eskimo woman who died from this flu in 1918, as her body remained under the ice it was possible to recover from the tissues the necessary elements to produce again, or to resynthesize this virus.


To recap, this happened in 1977, and according to the New England Journal of Medicine, this is an established fact.


From 1977, we have then the A-H1N1 flu virus being part of the pool or mixture of the seasonal flu viruses.

Well, what is then new this year? The novelty is the viral strain S-OIV.


This year's viral strain (S-OIV) is a strain unknown until now.

And it's this new strain which was first diagnosed on April 17th, 2009.


It seems that's the origin of the first diagnosis with two cases in California.

These are the first cases on record when we first heard about a new virus.

Therefore the novelty is just the strain S-OIV.
This is the first scientific fact.

The second important scientific fact to bear in mind is that since it began on April 17th until September 15th, which is when I last read the statistics, the figures recorded (now, I'm quoting this figure by heart, so it may not be exact but I won't be so far off), 137 deaths worldwide [TC: 137 in Europe, 3,559 deaths worldwide].

Therefore having already gone through the South hemisphere countries, through what's called Austral Winter, with this new virus, and having had a lower mortality rate than usual during this period.

The numbers, as I say, are by heart, but from April 17th to September 15th, 137 deaths in Europe and 3,559 worldwide. And I quote them because, it's important to do so.

There have been lots of declarations, but I'll quote one by a member of the National Medical Ethics Committee of France, whose name is J. Dupre. Or for instance, another by the President of the General Spanish Medical Association, Rodriguez Sendin.

Both prestigious doctors have confirmed that, based on the scientific data that we have at hand, that this new virus has a lower mortality rate than the common flu, or than common seasonal viruses.


I'll end this scientific part with an important note, an important piece of data fully accredited on medial literature, that says that people older than 60, have already a 33% immunity against this new virus. These are important objective facts to take into account before getting into an in-depth assessment.

Next, I'll mention two irregularities that have taken place in the way or the consequences so far of the discovery of this relatively new strain.

The irregularities remain, to my understanding and to the understanding of any objective observer, they've remained unclarified, and they're too serious to remain unclarified.


Firstly, the investigative journalist Jane Burgermeister, [TC: she pressed bioterrorism and mass murder attempt charges against the WHO, the UN, and some CEOs of companies, and governments], a journalist born in Switzerland with Austrian and Irish citizenship, heard about what I'm about to tell you now, and she was the one who made the information available.

Anyone can verify that the information that I'm going to disclose is accurate and objective.

What happened?

At the end of January 2009, and so before this new flu was the newly discovered flu, Baxter Pharmaceutical, a USA company with a very important subsidiary company in Austria, proceeded to distribute from the Austrian subsidiary company via 4 neighboring European countries (Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany), to 16 different laboratories, vaccination material for the flu, which was material for the vaccine to be administered between February and March to the population of those countries, for the seasonal flu virus vaccine. This material weighed 72kg.


Well, I haven't calculated the exact number of doses, but it certainly means thousands and thousands of doses. So, this was distributed.

And here comes the point when, through one of life's coincidences, situations or plans are revealed which would have otherwise remained in the dark.

The Czech Republic company BioTest was one of the recipients of this material, and one of their lab technicians decided, through his own initiative, and as something he was qualified to do but not obliged, to carry out an extra security test with the vaccination material they received before proceeding to its distribution.


So, before the distribution of this vaccine, what this lab technician did was to inoculate this vaccine to animals called in Spanish comadrejas, or hurones (weasels or ferrets), small mammals that have been used since 1918 to test flu vaccines.

He inoculated these weasels and all of them died. When he observed these unexpected deaths, and given that the inoculated vaccine shouldn't have caused the death of the weasels, he immediately raised the alarm and they began checks to establish what this material received from Baxter contained, because if its contents was a vaccine, the death of all the animals was inexplicable.


PART 2:
The results of the analysis showed that in the material delivered by Baxter to those 16 laboratories, two live viruses coexisted. One was the bird flu virus that appeared in 2005, and that caused a high mortality rate but infected just a few people.



The number of deaths worldwide, and I quote by heart, was around 250, but as far as we know, around 60% of those infected died.

This means that if 250 died worldwide, just around 600 got infected, whichever the exact number is.

Therefore the mortality rate of this virus is very high, but its infection rate is minimal.

The virus was mixed with a seasonal flu virus, that, as we all know, has an extremely low mortality rate, it means lower than 0.01%, but with a high degree of transmission (i.e. highly contagious).

If you mix these two viruses and then distribute it to thousands of people, what you're doing is you're maximizing the probabilities for these two viruses to merge, for them to recombine, and for a new virus to appear that is both very lethal and very infectious. This is a fact and has been officially admitted by Baxter, [TC: They have admitted that the contamination took place, but not that the material was destined for human use. Claiming protection behind the confidentiality rights, they haven't disclosed information about its destination]... that the total of 72kgs of the material contained mix of live bird flu and seasonal flu viruses. This is a fact.

Could this have happened by chance?

It is extremely unlikely.



And I say this because in science the word "impossible" is something we never say.

What does it mean, "extremely unlikely"? It means that laboratories handling these kinds of viruses have bio-security levels in place.


Bio-security Level 3 is the highest, and the one that must be applied in this laboratory.

It means that if we talk in a science context about probability, based on known facts, the probability that this may have happened by chance is extremely low.


Not only this: how can we explain the mixing of two different live viruses?


But also because the flu vaccine, as we all know, is a vaccine made with attenuated viruses.

"Attenuated" means that the virus must go through a radiation procedure.

These viruses found in the Czech Republic and in the whole Baxter material hadn't been attenuated. It is important to be clear about how unlikely it is for an accident to occur under these circumstances.

In any case, this has happened and it's under investigation.


This journalist, Burgermeister, has pressed charges, not only against Baxter, but also against the WHO (World Health Organization), she has also pressed charges against governments of important countries, because it seems that, with the information at hand, it's more probable to think in terms of malicious intent, rather than think that there have been a series of chance events almost impossible to conceive.

But, and I insist, it's very important to separate objective facts from those which haven't been proven yet.

I think that the good thing about this video, about this information we are facilitating, is that it may reach the wider public, the more people the better, about the existence of plans from a World Elite that wants part of the population to disappear, or even much of the population... that when hearing all this they say, "but... where's all this coming from? This is science fiction. I've never heard about this..." I know that there are people who have been studying this for a while. But I wish that my message reached someone who says..."Look I don't know anything about that stuff, but I've just heard that there was a laboratory that delivered a contaminated vaccine, and that, interestingly, (I haven't mentioned this but it's a fact), it's one of the laboratories in charge of making flu vaccines this year."

Well, this fact alone makes it justifiable to myself to think that until such time as an explanation is given about why this contamination took place, I won't wish it on me, on my child, nor on anyone close to me.

I don't know if I've been clear enough about this point. Because I think it's important to make it clear.

I'd like to get to the second irregularity because there's a second one even more scandalous than this first one. The second irregularity happened as follows:


What I said about Baxter happened in February. I've also said that on April 17th we had the first diagnosis of the new flu. Well, on April 29th, twelve days after those two first cases were discovered, WHO's Director-General, Dr. Margaret Chan, (the World Health Organization depends on the United Nations), made a public appearance and announced a Level 5 Worldwide state of alert for the prevention of a pandemic. What does this mean? Level 5 is quite a high level, after 5 there is only Level 6 left. Level 6 means the pandemic is already happening. One month and a half later, on June 11 2009, Dr. Margaret Chan announces Level 6, the maximum level of health alert.
We then have a global pandemic of the A-H1N1 flu virus.

How could Dr. Chan and the whole World Health Organization already declare a pandemic, taking into account that this virus has a mortality rate lower than the yearly virus?

Then, how come there isn't a pandemic every year, if the yearly virus is worse than this new virus?


Well, the answer is quite simple.

The answer is that this year, in the month of May, the WHO changed the definition of "pandemic" from its then current definition of an infection by an infectious agent simultaneously present in different countries at the same time and with a significant mortality ratio to the proportion of the infected population.



They removed from the definition, this mortality characteristic.

Therefore the new definition went to describe the pandemic as a simultaneous infection present in various countries and carrying an infectious agent showing any novelty characteristic, thus leaving us unable to know the type of immunity present within the population. This is a definition I'm quoting from the British Medical Journal.

So I insist that all this information I'm giving doesn't come from the alternative press, for whom I have great respect, but I think it's important to know that all this information comes from the most prestigious magazines, and absolutely "mainstream" as they say in English.


So this amended definition is from May 2009.

If the mortality requirement disappears from the definition of pandemic, as I said, then we should ask ourselves, what prevents the annual common flu from being declared a pandemic? The answer is, with this definition, nothing prevents it.


With this definition, what we are seeing now, with this investment... and I'll get now into the political consequences, which is in fact where I wanted to get to... all that is happening now that seems to be justifiable because of its exceptional nature, under the new definition, it wouldn't present anything exceptional about it.


So this would be the situation year after year, and this is just with the flu, not to mention other diseases with the same characteristics.

One may say, "wait a minute, isn't it true that this virus is less lethal, that it presents a lower mortality rate than the annual flu virus, and this fact can be read everywhere, everybody says so, even our health minister here, they admit this is the case.

Well, if this is the case, how can it be that a pandemic has been declared, bearing in mind the serious political consequences which we'll talk about now.

So this is simply what I'm putting together.

Perhaps the new piece of information that I'm giving is this (and I insist it's from the British Medical Journal): that the definition of a pandemic has changed, but this can be seen by anyone, by asking WHO to send you the pandemic definitions for 2008 and 2009, and there you can see that this change exists.


It can also be read on their website, etc.

In the document that I'm disseminating, I also quote an article from an American journal, where they explain that after visiting the WHO website they commented, "listen, here it says that high mortality is a pre-requisite for a pandemic, and here nobody dies."

They told them, wait a minute, and they changed the definition on the web.

This article has been quoted and it's from CNN, which is not a source under suspicion in this sense.


PART 3:
Therefore the WHO irregularity seems even more serious to me, because it's equally objective, clear and easy to verify, and it brings us closer to the possible real consequences.

So it's not just about elaborating on possible intentions or who did what.

As you see, I've stopped there, because I like to distinguish between what I can prove from what I cannot, but about what's already happening now because of this definition.

To end this part on the irregularities, in the USA, due to the 11th June 2009 pandemic declaration because of the new virus, this same month the USA declares a Public Health National Emergency, [TC: on April 26, 2009], which also carries political consequences, and this emergency declaration was possible in the USA, having at the time, in the month of April, twenty cases of infection and zero deaths.


With twenty cases of infection, all of them documented, I won't get into the documentation as I don't wish to drag on, but it's also important to know that the documentation is not so reliable, it's not so simple, and also it's not being carried out now.

It was in June or July 2009 when WHO said to stop verifying with lab tests who had swine flu or not. In the U.K. for instance, they do it through a phone consultation where the person reports the flu symptoms, then they note down swine flu.


This is the way it is done now.

Therefore when they say there are 12,000 or 13,000 cases, whichever number they say now, it's very important to be aware of the way that these figures are worked out.

Once again, these are objective facts that can be verified on the official web, WHO, and I'm quoting by heart but I think it was in July 2009, said that there was no need to verify every case in the laboratory, therefore we're assuming that every flu is a case, and in some countries (in many others they don't even do this), in some countries they're making surveys based on "we had 100 and 50 were swine flu cases, so we assume that the rest are also that way", but this is a generalization, lacking sufficient data, at least on the ones that I've seen in the books, and these are the irregularities.


Now I'll move on to the third part, which focuses on the political consequences of a pandemic declaration.


Well, it's as simple as this: WHO is an International Organization that normally issues recommendations.

Then it's assumed that each sovereign country applies or not the recommendations following its own criteria, its own circumstances, and its own internal research.

In 2005 this changed, allowing an exception precisely in case of a pandemic.


Now, in case of a pandemic, WHO doesn't make recommendations, it give orders.

This means that the countries (again, this is a verifiable and objective fact) in the case of a pandemic, the countries... and a pandemic is something very serious... a pandemic is, well, as in the old definition, is a real serious threat to the health of the whole population, and that justifies this medical emergency, at least within the context of the old definition, not in the one that we have now.


Therefore with the present definition, well, the title has remained the same, global pandemic, but its contents have totally changed, because the significant mortality rate doesn't exist.

But the political consequences remain because of the heading.

There the law says, "In case of a pandemic..." or the internal rules, or WHO's regulations, within their treaties and agreements with the member countries.

So from 2005, when faced with a pandemic, WHO doesn't recommend but orders member countries which actions to take.

That's why we hear from the authorities in Catalonia and the whole of Spain, "We're awaiting WHO's recommendations..."

Perhaps that's a manner of speech, but it's not just that they are waiting for them because they think it's the right thing to do, but because they have to abide by them, not as a recommendation but as an order from the moment that it's issued.

Well, you may ask, what terrible thing may arrive?

Well, the mandatory vaccination.

This is the most important point to me.

It is very important to spread this information so that even if the vaccination is offered on a voluntary basis, the larger number of people who know about the circumstances surrounding this vaccine and all the facts that we're telling, the better, so that each one of us can make an informed decision.


The point we're going to talk about now is slightly different, its about the real possibility that this vaccine was issued, or distributed, or announced as a mandatory vaccine.

And how can it be possible that I'm forced to have, or accept a vaccine that I don't wish to have?

Well, the reasoning is quite clear.

If we are in a global pandemic situation, although in the present situation it doesn't qualify, it seems that there's a risk that if a person doesn't take the shot, this may put other people's health at risk.

Therefore the countries are under obligation to ensure that the law is obeyed.

If this is the law, what would this mean?

Well, the same as usual: fine or prison.

Talking about fines, it seems that in Massachusetts, a document has already been made public in preparation for a possible mandatory vaccination.

If this was the case, the fine would be $1 per day, or could reach up to $1,000 per day.

So the thing works this way: You say, "no I don't want to get vaccinated" -Oh, OK.


Then look, $1,000 daily from civil service, for every day you don't get the vaccine.

This is a way.

Other ways that are happening already now, but this without the general law of obligatory nature, there are companies that say to their workers, "if you don't take the shot, I fire you".

There are open lawsuits in different countries, in the US, in the UK, in France, because there are people who have already faced this dilemma, and that have tried to refuse, in some cases in private companies, where there's no collective labour agreement, in the US for instance, this has already made people lose their job for refusing to accept this vaccine.

And you may say, "but there's no vaccine yet", Not yet, but the one that is already in distribution, because here in the monastery, we already have it, and it already exists, is the one for the seasonal flu.

This has been delivered sooner, because the WHO has recommended to give the seasonal one and then, in most cases, in two doses, the new flu one.


And now I'm going to talk about this.

What may happen to a person who refuses to get this vaccine?

If the vaccine is not mandatory, and by now it is not in any country, then nothing happens.

You say no, and sign a document if necessary, and the same for your children, they don't get it and no problem.

If the vaccine was mandatory, as I said, fine or prison, as it is what must be done in a country, if this is a law, it must be obeyed, if not this would be a joke.


Let's see.

Facing this, this daily $1000 fine, or facing the possibility of a prison sentence, one would say, "let's not exaggerate, I got the vaccine every year, or not me but my father has, or I know people who get it, so we simply get it this year and it's alright look a disaster, they're making money, as always, as happened with the papilloma.

But what can I say, I'm not paying $1000 a day, or I'm not risking going into prison".

Facing this possible answer, it is important to know three factors that makes the vaccine of the swine flu, of this year's flu, to be different to every year's vaccine.

I mean, this argument of it being the same as every year's vaccine, but this time it's for the swine flu virus.

Well, when we take it, we've been fooled once again, by politicians or whoever, but it's not going to be the last time.

Three novelties, that this vaccine has, in contrast with the vaccine of every year.

Why is this vaccine not going to be the same as every year?


The first novelty is,
I have already said it, because WHO recommends most of the pharmaceutical companies that are producing this vaccine, recommend it to be given in two doses.

This is a novelty.
Nobody has ever heard before that flu vaccines come in two doses.

Normally it's given once and that's all, next year you take it again, but it's never given in two doses.

This year it comes in two doses, and also, as I said, WHO has already recommended, in fact, the vaccine delivery has already arrived at senior care homes, monasteries and other places, so that everybody takes the vaccine for the seasonal virus.

If the WHO's recommendations are followed this year, those who follow them, will end up receiving three flu vaccinations: the seasonal one, and the first and second doses for the swine flu.
I've also heard that some laboratories produce it with just one, but most of them have announced it will be a vaccine in two doses.


That way, the possibility of secondary effects is multiplied by three, and these vaccines do have secondary effects.

But this is theoretical.

In practice, nobody knows what could happen, because it's never been done before.


Because no one has ever before received three doses of the virus, three shots with live viruses of the flu, and from different types, one after the other, in the middle of a supposed pandemic or flu season.

This is the first novelty, this is new.

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hope that helps process the volume of info more readily-this is very serious and I will not take any of their "cures"

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Package Inserts from Manufacturers - Get 'Em while They're hot...

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The Human Population is now undergoing a Petri Dish type of viral recombinant process within Their own Bodies...

It sure gives a whole new meaning to the Term "Guinea Pig", with the added Caveat being that WE are now the Lab...

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OMG!!!! and why doesn't the news print this stuff?
I'll tell you ILLUMINATI hiding
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this is OLD NEWS: Baxter Corp/ had the virus, shipped it to countrys all over claiming it was the vacine, but it was really the virus....

Baxter has even admitted the so called 'mistake'
And they also happened to be the ones making the new 'vaccine...
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the reality of the facts presented by this nun.....

give new meaning to the term surreal.....

we are living in very strange days indeed.....

and then we have that crazy woman on t.v. who said....


forget the conspiracies folks...just get your damn vaccine....


they want to the viruses to mutate....

on a large scale...

because flus normallly have a low mortality rate.....

but once they begin to mutate in the way they have it planned....

things can get very unpredictable....

as if they aren`t already?
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where are the transcripts coming from?

Link?
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Just unbelievable! Thank God the nun speaks up. They will do their best to ridicule her.
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Can anyone sum up the crux of the story in a few lines?
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thy r mixing the regular flu wich is harmless but very contaguis with the swine flu wich is very fatal but not very contagios. they r doing this so they combiine together so it spreads like crazy ,killing billions.god help us.
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do not let them VASSASSINATE you


Exterminati is all about 95% being KILLED plain and simple...


I will not CONSENT...hf


u people seem to say they want to kill 95% of the population right?..why the fuck in canada did the health comission(wich is know for beeing very cautious about any medication entering Canada) just aprooved it a few months ago(vaccine)??? right now in canada we are only getting the first doses..now to come back to your quote**to kill 95% of the population** why the fuck would they want to kill people in Canada when the only thing they could do is just to stop IMIGRATION..seriously , we have the same population in Canada has they have in NEW YORK CITY!!!!!!!ive known people whove had this vaccine for WEEKS now..are they dead? NO...i live in a populated area of about 15 000 people, my wife has a daycare center and out of 24 kids,3 have been diagnosed with h1n1.do u know what % that makes ??that means 12 % in only a week...a whole fucking week...This means by a month HALF of the kids is gonna get it if they dont get a VACCINE..u dont want to be vaccined then dont...but stop scaring people about this..its serious stuff. alot of kids can get alot of copmplications from it.specialy kids with asma..
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Canada has experienced the biggest panic so far. The vaccine arrived, Obama declared a national emergency, there was shortages as people lined up, Parliament screams that people are dying. The news highlights ONE supposed death from the flu (but not deaths caused by clogging emergency rooms with healthy people)....

This Dr. Nun has a special message for you about unnecessary panic, and the consequences, and why it is being "managed", if you are at all ready to listen....

Is it population control?, or just simply control... One thing is for sure,,, Somethin just aint right in Catalonia....

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The information presented in this nun's initiative was well worth the time spent to absorb and understand it.

Although much of the material was familiar there were key points, associations, and conclusions that heightened my awareness.

1. Baxter is guilty as hell.

2. The W.H.O is guilty as hell.

3. Those who remain silent knowing something is very wrong are guilty as hell.

4. This pandemic is the first of many to come.

5. The vaccine industry is corrupt beyond our wildest imaginations.

6. The worldwide depopulation efforts are in full swing.

7. Forcades is our modern day Mother Teresa.

8. Do everything in your power to dissuade those around you to not get the multiple flu injections.

9. When people lie to you, confront them with the truth and a swift kick in their ass.

Don't be complacent cattle.

If they won't hear our voices,

then shut it down.

Shut it all down.
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thx for that!
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smart cookie...
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And now Iíd like to conclude with a proposal. The proposal is very clear. On one hand, stay calm, this is fundamental. To stay calm, take your usual precautions to not get infected common sense precautions, and do not get the vaccination. Do not get the vaccination this year because there are all those circumstances. This is my recommendation, but is also the recommendation of many people of ĎsenyĒ in CatalonianÖOf common sense. There are many people talking in this way, many doctors, a whole association, nurse unions, and so on. This is the first part. But then we have the second part, which is the one that we may have not heard so often. And itís that one, that I now, from this platform we areÖis where I think Iím going to uploadÖcan I say it now? Because last week, in Catalonia, I started an initiative called Catalunya Religo (.cat) this is a web site, where the photos still donít appear, as it just started. But Iíve been asked to collaborate a bit. So, this week, Iím going to upload the link to the document that Iím talking about. Iím also going to give you this document, so I think itís going to be accessible. So I appeal, from this document, and now from this visual platform, I appeal to activate urgently all the civil citizenship resources, and legal resources, to avoid two things in our country.The first one. That no one can force anybody in this country to get a vaccine that they do not want to get. And the second one, those who, of their own will, desire to get the vaccination, wonít be deprived of, I mean, to avoid that anyone who desires to get the vaccine is deprived of high right to ask for responsibilities or financial compensation in case the vaccine causes him serious disease or death. First maybe a personal note, it would be about this part of ďexpertsĒ. More and more, the world seems to more around experts, and that a person who is not a doctor or public health doctor, or who does not have credentials, or who doesnít consider themselves to have enough knowledge to critically evaluate this mass of information that comes to us from everywhere, it seems hardÖunless it is investigative journalism, or people who have been preparing for many years to do this. What happens with those who are actually health professionals? That they have, unlike me, in this my case itís different, their work depends on them acting according to what the profession as a whole is saying, on not going far away from it. Itís really hard. If I were practicing medicine at a hospital as I was for several years, I donít know if I would be talking here and now. I know I have the knowledge and education, but my work, my everyday life and my surroundings donít depend on that my medical community, from Barcelona or my country, may think what Iím saying is correct or incorrect. That is I donít have to feel this fear, and I say this just to point that it may be a reason for some health professionals who think the same way I do, or who are asking themselves these same questions but say ďif Iím not 100% sure I donít take the risk of making these questionsĒ Although, I must also say that there are many health professionals in our country that, maybe not everything Iíve said, maybe they havenít touched the political aspects that much, but they perfectly handle the scientific data, and they have made them public, with even more data than Iíve given. In this way, itís very important to know that this is not something particular.

I would like to make a note on ďfearĒ. Well, we must not be scared of the known swine flu (A). because, as Iíve said a few times, but Iíll say it once more, according to objective facts, it has a lower mortality rate than seasonal flu. I didnít mention this in the data but, the mortality rate of every yearís flu, the good years in Europe, the flu is not the same every year, some years itís severe, or more severe, and some others itís more benign. So, the official data of the disease centre, of the regulator centre, the centre that collects this information at European level, that would be the CDC in the US, then the European is called E, from Europe, ECDC. (European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control [link to ecdc.europa.eu)] this centreís numbers are: the good years of flu 40.000 people die from complication associated or derived directly to the flu. 40.000 in a flu season. This is the good years. The bad years, the numbers that handles this ECDC, this official agency, is 220.000 deaths. Itís important to know it because when one says: ď120 people have died!Ē well, letís wait, we cannot just count them one by oneÖif every year, as a normal fact, in the best of the years, 40.000 people die, and in bad years 220.000, if we count one by one, we spread a unjustified panic. Therefore we mustnít fear or feel panic to the swine flu that is currently circulating, if we take into account the numbers Iíve just quoted. However, in everything that Iíve said there are many elements that may cause fear, or that can cause anguish, or a real concern. I think that this anguish, and real concern is a good to have it, itís not good to let it shadow the political action, because thatís what itís all about. Now we are in time, nobody has declared a National Emergency, nobody can do it either with the information we have, this would be impossible. Now we have the doors open to act politically at a political level, to ensure the two things I said before, in our country. That nobody can be forced to get a vaccine that they donít wish and those freely desire it, and get it, wonít be deprived of their right, to demand political responsibilities and receive financial compensation.
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Obama had to declare an emergency because the vaccine in the US was introduced under a law -- Emergency Use Authority -- that allows drugs and vaccines to be sold without authorization. In other words, before the evidence has been reviewed by the FDA.
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"Investor Essentials: Picking Winners for Pandemic Profits," today and find out how you can profit from the Swine Flu panic. The special report features the following stocks:

[link to www.bullmarket.com]

doesnt that say it all!
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I have a question, though: if it's true that they are not documenting or testing the flu cases, in case of mandatory vaccinations, couldn't a person just say they already had the flu so they're already immune?
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If they didnt test you how do you PROOVE you had it???????
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"Investor Essentials: Picking Winners for Pandemic Profits," today and find out how you can profit from the Swine Flu panic. The special report features the following stocks:

[link to www.bullmarket.com]

doesnt that say it all!
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Unbelievable!
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I have a question, though: if it's true that they are not documenting or testing the flu cases, in case of mandatory vaccinations, couldn't a person just say they already had the flu so they're already immune?


If they didnt test you how do you PROOVE you had it???????
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They'll just have to TRUST us just like THEY expect US to TRUST them...

I'm sorry, I've already had the WHO-Flu....I don't NEED the Bax-Vax...
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And now Iíd like to conclude with a proposal. The proposal is very clear. On one hand, stay calm, this is fundamental. To stay calm, take your usual precautions to not get infected common sense precautions, and do not get the vaccination. Do not get the vaccination this year because there are all those circumstances. This is my recommendation, but is also the recommendation of many people of ĎsenyĒ in CatalonianÖOf common sense. There are many people talking in this way, many doctors, a whole association, nurse unions, and so on. This is the first part. But then we have the second part, which is the one that we may have not heard so often. And itís that one, that I now, from this platform we areÖis where I think Iím going to uploadÖcan I say it now? Because last week, in Catalonia, I started an initiative called Catalunya Religo (.cat) this is a web site, where the photos still donít appear, as it just started. But Iíve been asked to collaborate a bit. So, this week, Iím going to upload the link to the document that Iím talking about. Iím also going to give you this document, so I think itís going to be accessible. So I appeal, from this document, and now from this visual platform, I appeal to activate urgently all the civil citizenship resources, and legal resources, to avoid two things in our country.The first one. That no one can force anybody in this country to get a vaccine that they do not want to get. And the second one, those who, of their own will, desire to get the vaccination, wonít be deprived of, I mean, to avoid that anyone who desires to get the vaccine is deprived of high right to ask for responsibilities or financial compensation in case the vaccine causes him serious disease or death. First maybe a personal note, it would be about this part of ďexpertsĒ. More and more, the world seems to more around experts, and that a person who is not a doctor or public health doctor, or who does not have credentials, or who doesnít consider themselves to have enough knowledge to critically evaluate this mass of information that comes to us from everywhere, it seems hardÖunless it is investigative journalism, or people who have been preparing for many years to do this. What happens with those who are actually health professionals? That they have, unlike me, in this my case itís different, their work depends on them acting according to what the profession as a whole is saying, on not going far away from it. Itís really hard. If I were practicing medicine at a hospital as I was for several years, I donít know if I would be talking here and now. I know I have the knowledge and education, but my work, my everyday life and my surroundings donít depend on that my medical community, from Barcelona or my country, may think what Iím saying is correct or incorrect. That is I donít have to feel this fear, and I say this just to point that it may be a reason for some health professionals who think the same way I do, or who are asking themselves these same questions but say ďif Iím not 100% sure I donít take the risk of making these questionsĒ Although, I must also say that there are many health professionals in our country that, maybe not everything Iíve said, maybe they havenít touched the political aspects that much, but they perfectly handle the scientific data, and they have made them public, with even more data than Iíve given. In this way, itís very important to know that this is not something particular.

I would like to make a note on ďfearĒ. Well, we must not be scared of the known swine flu (A). because, as Iíve said a few times, but Iíll say it once more, according to objective facts, it has a lower mortality rate than seasonal flu. I didnít mention this in the data but, the mortality rate of every yearís flu, the good years in Europe, the flu is not the same every year, some years itís severe, or more severe, and some others itís more benign. So, the official data of the disease centre, of the regulator centre, the centre that collects this information at European level, that would be the CDC in the US, then the European is called E, from Europe, ECDC. (European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control [link to ecdc.europa.eu)] this centreís numbers are: the good years of flu 40.000 people die from complication associated or derived directly to the flu. 40.000 in a flu season. This is the good years. The bad years, the numbers that handles this ECDC, this official agency, is 220.000 deaths. Itís important to know it because when one says: ď120 people have died!Ē well, letís wait, we cannot just count them one by oneÖif every year, as a normal fact, in the best of the years, 40.000 people die, and in bad years 220.000, if we count one by one, we spread a unjustified panic. Therefore we mustnít fear or feel panic to the swine flu that is currently circulating, if we take into account the numbers Iíve just quoted. However, in everything that Iíve said there are many elements that may cause fear, or that can cause anguish, or a real concern. I think that this anguish, and real concern is a good to have it, itís not good to let it shadow the political action, because thatís what itís all about. Now we are in time, nobody has declared a National Emergency, nobody can do it either with the information we have, this would be impossible. Now we have the doors open to act politically at a political level, to ensure the two things I said before, in our country. That nobody can be forced to get a vaccine that they donít wish and those freely desire it, and get it, wonít be deprived of their right, to demand political responsibilities and receive financial compensation.
 Quoting: AlreadyBugged

Note that if you go to the website mentioned, ( [link to blocs.catalunyareligio.cat] and you use google translator to view the page, it's in Catalan, not Spanish.
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this is OLD NEWS: Baxter Corp/ had the virus, shipped it to countrys all over claiming it was the vacine, but it was really the virus....

Baxter has even admitted the so called 'mistake'
And they also happened to be the ones making the new 'vaccine...
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Did you even watch ALL the video till the end?
I doubt you did.
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very good info in videos -- thanks for posting!
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Thanks for posting, really informative!
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load of crap like all third rate info that comes from the a kiddie source like u tube

since people here are stupid they can't research so u tube intellect for them
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Past weekend, Spanish newspaper "El Pais" (the most important of the country) tried to refute this nun's allegations and made fun of her. Jose Luis Cebrian, director and founder of the newspaper is a regular guest of the Bilderberg Club.

[link to translate.google.es]


Great, she actually pissed them off. Only adds to her credibility! I hope this lady stays safe we need more honest doctors like her all over the World.
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And as she also said - this is political and probably not a way to wipe out large chunks of the population. More likely so that 'we' get scared, panic and beg our governments to take away more of our rights. (See last video number 6).
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load of crap like all third rate info that comes from the a kiddie source like u tube

since people here are stupid they can't research so u tube intellect for them
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Another 'wise one' who did not even watch the video properly.
No it's not another 'NYC gonna be nuked on date X vid' with some crappy music in the background. All here sources are reliable and verifyable for anyone.
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load of crap like all third rate info that comes from the a kiddie source like u tube

since people here are stupid they can't research so u tube intellect for them
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Thanks for your eloquently written retort.

Please tell me where you studied to become so well written and intellectually superior.

I am humbled by your literary prowess.
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load of crap like all third rate info that comes from the a kiddie source like u tube

since people here are stupid they can't research so u tube intellect for them
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Shill. Trinity, ban him!

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load of crap like all third rate info that comes from the a kiddie source like u tube

since people here are stupid they can't research so u tube intellect for them
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I'd rather listen to a person with a PHD that studied in Harvard on Youtube, than a person who can not even construct a proper sentence.
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Glad to see this still pinned!

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