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Breaking: Canada votes to abolish Long Gun Registry

 
Old White Russian
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11/04/2009 06:50 PM
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Breaking: Canada votes to abolish Long Gun Registry
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The federal long-gun registry moved one step closer to being abolished as MPs voted on Wednesday in the House of Commons to scrap the controversial program.

With support from some Liberal and New Democrat MPs, the private members bill passed second reading by a vote of 164-137, sending it to committee.

If passed, Bill C-391 would scrap the decade-old registry and destroy existing data within the system on about seven million shotguns and rifles.

The Conservatives have long opposed the gun registry, brought in by the former Liberal government in response to the killing of 14 women at Montreal's L'École Polytéchnique in 1989.

However, there is also unwavering support for the gun registry including from the Coalition for Gun Control, the Canadian Chiefs of Police as well as the Canadian Police Association.

Wendy Cukier of the Coalition for Gun Control says firearm deaths such as suicides and murders of women have declined during the time the registry has been in place. The mother of one of the slain Montreal students made a public appeal this week imploring MPs to preserve the gun registry.

Conservatives argue the registry has been a billion-dollar boondoggle, although a 2006 study by the auditor general found eliminating the long-gun portion of the registry would only save taxpayers about $3 million a year.
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11/04/2009 06:54 PM
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More the better. We need all the help we can get. No new laws.

That is one thing hard to figure out about the new world order, why they allow weapons here or there but not other countries.
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11/04/2009 06:56 PM
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Looks like those Canucks ain't so dumb after all, eh?
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11/04/2009 06:59 PM
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What does this mean?

Anyone can buy rifles or shotgun without registering?
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11/04/2009 07:04 PM
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What does this mean?

Anyone can buy rifles or shotgun without registering?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810362



That's right even 2 year olds.
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11/04/2009 07:11 PM
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I will believe this when it happens. I know they are voting on it but I just cannot see them destroying this money making gun CONtrol program.

I also believe we would see an increase in shotguns and rifles purchased here. Which is a good thing. Best to be armed when they come calling.
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11/04/2009 07:13 PM
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Canada.

The True North Strong And Free!
Old WHite Russian (OP)
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11/04/2009 07:14 PM
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You still have to register hand guns. Also you must have a firearms license to buy any gun and/or ammo. There are also still safe storage laws. You must store guns and ammo separate properly locked up. (it keeps the kids safer).

I see the abolishment of the long gun registry as a nice thing for Hunters. Regardless it likely will not affect the crime rate at all since criminals tend to use handguns and assault style weapons.

The one thing it will do for sure is save money. The auditor general is out to lunch when she says 3 million a year. It probably be 10 times that anyways.
Old White Russian (OP)
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11/04/2009 07:20 PM
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The vote has passed second reading and in Canada that pretty well means its a slam dunk done deal. It goes to commitee next and then in January it should go to the senate which will have a Conservative majority (conservatives are against the Gun registry). That means t will automatically pass the senate.

It is 99% a done deal to happen.

It makes me happy. It was money wasting law to begin with. Give the savings to law enforcement so they can hire more police for the Urban areas.
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11/04/2009 07:26 PM
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I love your positive outlook on the 99%. Would love for this to pass but I will be 200% shocked if it actually did.

It is a HUGE WASTE OF TAX MONEY. It is a flopped UN pyramid scheme set up by the RED. Canadians have no idea how much cash has been funneled through. It makes the RED adscam look like peanuts. Although none will compare to the UN RED driven climate taxes. Bring us to our knees!
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11/04/2009 07:36 PM
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More guns will be needed with the massive influx of polar bears turning south as the ice cap melts.

This is real DOOM and Canadians know it.

They're smarter than the average bear.
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11/04/2009 08:23 PM
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You still have to register hand guns. Also you must have a firearms license to buy any gun and/or ammo. There are also still safe storage laws. You must store guns and ammo separate properly locked up. (it keeps the kids safer).

I see the abolishment of the long gun registry as a nice thing for Hunters. Regardless it likely will not affect the crime rate at all since criminals tend to use handguns and assault style weapons.

The one thing it will do for sure is save money. The auditor general is out to lunch when she says 3 million a year. It probably be 10 times that anyways.
 Quoting: Old WHite Russian 810501


Yip and you have to take the 1 day safety course written/hands on so you can identify all cartridges and shot gun shells and make sure the barrel is clear etc. and actually handle a weapon safely.
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This is great news. I live in Canada, and am about to take the course and get the license so I can get a say, a 10/22, high powered rifle of some sort, and a 12 gauge.

Under registration I'd need to fork out money to register/renew for each of those guns every five years, and most of the time they'd just be sitting locked away in my closet since I live in a major city and won't be able to get out to shoot much in the short term.

Now that registration is gonna be gone it will be less of a financial burden to obtain have these tools at my disposal. Thank fuck for some common sense out of our politicians for a change.
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11/04/2009 10:01 PM
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so canada made the law abiding citizens, sitting ducks for any criminal.. naturally elderly disabled and women have no way to fight off robbers .. so who is canada protecting anway .. looks like it keeps the criminals in a go for it green zone..!
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11/04/2009 10:08 PM
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So if I wanted to obtain a gun for hunting purposes, what would I do to get one?
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11/04/2009 10:12 PM
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odance rocket
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So if I wanted to obtain a gun for hunting purposes, what would I do to get one?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 806818

buy one
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11/04/2009 10:22 PM
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So if I wanted to obtain a gun for hunting purposes, what would I do to get one?

buy one
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810612

After you obtain your PAL (possession and acquisition lisence) which is a 2 day course that costs about $160. Then wait for a month or three for the RCMP to send you the actual license after they review your background and test results. Then get a small game license, which is about $130 or something and another weekend long course if I'm not mistaken. Not sure for bigger game like deer, I know you need tags for deer but I haven't looked in to it yet. It still is a pain in the ass and a long process if you are staring from scratch.

SDM

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11/04/2009 10:27 PM
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So if I wanted to obtain a gun for hunting purposes, what would I do to get one?

buy one

After you obtain your PAL (possession and acquisition lisence) which is a 2 day course that costs about $160. Then wait for a month or three for the RCMP to send you the actual license after they review your background and test results. Then get a small game license, which is about $130 or something and another weekend long course if I'm not mistaken. Not sure for bigger game like deer, I know you need tags for deer but I haven't looked in to it yet. It still is a pain in the ass and a long process if you are staring from scratch.

SDM
 Quoting: SickDaveMondo

So it's still a long process. I guess it's worth the wait.
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11/04/2009 10:37 PM
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So if I wanted to obtain a gun for hunting purposes, what would I do to get one?

buy one

After you obtain your PAL (possession and acquisition lisence) which is a 2 day course that costs about $160. Then wait for a month or three for the RCMP to send you the actual license after they review your background and test results. Then get a small game license, which is about $130 or something and another weekend long course if I'm not mistaken. Not sure for bigger game like deer, I know you need tags for deer but I haven't looked in to it yet. It still is a pain in the ass and a long process if you are staring from scratch.

SDM

So it's still a long process. I guess it's worth the wait.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 806818


Yeah, I just got my non-restricted(rifles/shotguns) PAL about 5 weeks ago. I didn't bother with the restricted(handguns). Anyway, best get at 'er, it's a long bugger of a process and the clock is ticking. Good luck.

SDM
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11/04/2009 10:41 PM
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So if I wanted to obtain a gun for hunting purposes, what would I do to get one?

buy one

After you obtain your PAL (possession and acquisition lisence) which is a 2 day course that costs about $160. Then wait for a month or three for the RCMP to send you the actual license after they review your background and test results. Then get a small game license, which is about $130 or something and another weekend long course if I'm not mistaken. Not sure for bigger game like deer, I know you need tags for deer but I haven't looked in to it yet. It still is a pain in the ass and a long process if you are staring from scratch.

SDM

So it's still a long process. I guess it's worth the wait.


Yeah, I just got my non-restricted(rifles/shotguns) PAL about 5 weeks ago. I didn't bother with the restricted(handguns). Anyway, best get at 'er, it's a long bugger of a process and the clock is ticking. Good luck.

SDM
 Quoting: SickDaveMondo

WOW!!!!
I've never even heard of this.
Down here in S.C. we don't have to register any Rifle/Pistol/ or Shot gun.
I'm glad I got all my guns and ammo befor all this gun law crap passes in the U.S.
No body even knows I have guns unless I tell them.
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11/04/2009 10:43 PM
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kudos to Canada for doing the right thing! bump
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11/04/2009 11:05 PM
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Canadians! They know how to save toothpaste too!

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11/04/2009 11:27 PM
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FINALLY!!!
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WOW!!!!
I've never even heard of this.
Down here in S.C. we don't have to register any Rifle/Pistol/ or Shot gun.
I'm glad I got all my guns and ammo befor all this gun law crap passes in the U.S.
No body even knows I have guns unless I tell them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810627

When I was in the gun course, the instructor mentioned that buying large quantities of ammo would get you flagged in the system. He also said that you may then receive an inspection by a cop or peace officer. I asked him to define "large" as my definition of large may be different than the next persons. He seemed to get annoyed with me at this point and just stated "Well, you can't just go stockpiling ammo you know" at which point I dropped it. I just wanted my license and to get the fuck outta there. It sucks up here man, I don't know if he was yanking my chain about that. I do know that my license came with a separate, non laminated piece of paper that states "This document must be carried at all times with the PAL and must be produced at the request of a peace officer or Law Enforcement Official", or something close to that. So now, not only do I ALWAYS have to carry my PAL, I have a flimsy piece of shit paper that I ALWAYS have to carry that has no information on it other than stating I have to carry it. fucked up, eh?

SDM
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Wendy Cukier of the Coalition for Gun Control says firearm deaths such as suicides and murders of women have declined during the time the registry has been in place. The mother of one of the slain Montreal students made a public appeal this week imploring MPs to preserve the gun registry.
 Quoting: Old White Russian 810501



Is this person actually trying to say that a person is less likely to commit suicide if their gun is registered?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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11/04/2009 11:40 PM
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So if I wanted to obtain a gun for hunting purposes, what would I do to get one?

buy one

After you obtain your PAL (possession and acquisition lisence) which is a 2 day course that costs about $160. Then wait for a month or three for the RCMP to send you the actual license after they review your background and test results. Then get a small game license, which is about $130 or something and another weekend long course if I'm not mistaken. Not sure for bigger game like deer, I know you need tags for deer but I haven't looked in to it yet. It still is a pain in the ass and a long process if you are staring from scratch.

SDM

So it's still a long process. I guess it's worth the wait.


Yeah, I just got my non-restricted(rifles/shotguns) PAL about 5 weeks ago. I didn't bother with the restricted(handguns). Anyway, best get at 'er, it's a long bugger of a process and the clock is ticking. Good luck.

SDM

WOW!!!!
I've never even heard of this.
Down here in S.C. we don't have to register any Rifle/Pistol/ or Shot gun.
I'm glad I got all my guns and ammo befor all this gun law crap passes in the U.S.
No body even knows I have guns unless I tell them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810627

Yes they do dumbass.
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More guns will be needed with the massive influx of polar bears turning south as the ice cap melts.

This is real DOOM and Canadians know it.

They're smarter than the average bear.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 810518


Actually, It is likely in expectancy of hordes of starving Americans massing north across the border looking for bear meat - after they have all the Mormon food larders cleaned out.
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11/05/2009 12:07 AM
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guess im moving to canada...
Fuck your gunfights all i need is one mic and crowd time and i could outshine the sunlight on Cloud9!
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So if I wanted to obtain a gun for hunting purposes, what would I do to get one?

buy one

After you obtain your PAL (possession and acquisition lisence) which is a 2 day course that costs about $160. Then wait for a month or three for the RCMP to send you the actual license after they review your background and test results. Then get a small game license, which is about $130 or something and another weekend long course if I'm not mistaken. Not sure for bigger game like deer, I know you need tags for deer but I haven't looked in to it yet. It still is a pain in the ass and a long process if you are staring from scratch.

SDM

So it's still a long process. I guess it's worth the wait.


Yeah, I just got my non-restricted(rifles/shotguns) PAL about 5 weeks ago. I didn't bother with the restricted(handguns). Anyway, best get at 'er, it's a long bugger of a process and the clock is ticking. Good luck.

SDM

WOW!!!!
I've never even heard of this.
Down here in S.C. we don't have to register any Rifle/Pistol/ or Shot gun.
I'm glad I got all my guns and ammo befor all this gun law crap passes in the U.S.
No body even knows I have guns unless I tell them.

Yes they do dumbass.
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LOCAL REGULATIONS

SECTION 23-31-510. Prohibition against regulation of certain matters.

No governing body of any county, municipality, or other political subdivision in this State may enact or promulgate any regulation or ordinance which regulates or attempts to regulate the transfer, ownership, possession, carrying, or transportation of firearms, ammunition, components of firearms, or any combination of these things.


Can be found right here:
[link to www.sled.sc.gov]
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What does this mean?

Anyone can buy rifles or shotgun without registering?



That's right even 2 year olds.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 670888



That's wrong, nobody can but a firearm without a firearms license. 2 year olds can not get a firearms licence.

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